Moving to hive

themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

I tried to speak up but, but I was flagged to shit and received a shit ton of threats and harassment messages. I was contacted by someone I know telling me some whales a getting together and are going to flag me and my @buildawhale users to shit.

I realized no one really cared and just said fuck it. No sense taking the brunt of all the attacks if no one will do anything.

Was recently updated by these whales

Yes. You've been monitored and been seen distancing yourself away from the whole haejin and berniesanders mess.

Also the truce post helped.
At the moment, everything is off the radar.
The same whales who were getting ready have now subsided.
I think things are much better now.

My response

I’m glad I am being "monitored", hopefully, it isn’t when I’m going the bathroom.

I haven’t distanced myself I just realize a lot of people don’t give a fuck where steem goes and will rather keep their head in the sand. It isn’t a haejin and Bernie sanders mess, it’s a haejin and steem mess. Too few people understand that and think anyone who questions one person getting 7% of the reward pool posting garbage is a communist.

These "whales" don’t seem to understand how the platform works and how it needs to work to survive.

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therealwolf (75) · 7 years ago

And this is where the real dick move lies - threatening you is one thing. But threatening your customers - is on a whole 'nother level - far down the wasteline.

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grumpycat (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

If the whole stake holding community decide to not protect @buildawhale customers either they're not worth protecting or the system is completely broken.

I vote for the former.

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farq (54) · 7 years ago (edited)

with all due respect - if the system is broken, it's not up to you to fix it with your SP. it's up to the witnesses to be convinced that the system needs fixing and do so in a way that is sustainable and better for everyone.

I agree that vote selling is not ideal but it is a symptom of a system where minnows have no other way to gain any sort of clout and whales can earn a very good income just from sneezing.

I see vote bots as an equalisation measure, and hopefully in future steemit as a platform improves to the level where it is no longer needed.

jesta (71) · 7 years ago

It's not even up to the witnesses - the witnesses would be the one who activate/approve a fix to the system. Its up to Steemit Inc, or some enterprising developer who understands the code, to actually implement the solution and propose it to the witnesses.

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farq (54) · 7 years ago

well there you go - that's good to know - as a fairly new user the whole witness model is a bit foreign to me, i just try to make sense of it as best i can. Thanks.

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jesta (71) · 7 years ago

No problem! There's no good explanation of all this anywhere, so no fault on you for not knowing :)

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syncubate (50) · 7 years ago

So why doesn't Steemit Inc implement changes that would clearly reflect better on the image of Steemit to the broader crypto space? After all, this platform presently is the face of the steem blockchain; SMTs aren't out yet and Utopian, Dtube, and Dsound are still up and coming.

It's as if the very notion of reward pool abuse has been accepted as a necessary evil and there's nothing we can do about it. It's even implied in the Steem White Paper itself. The founders anticipated the problems that would arise out of allowing self voting, for example. Yet they still allowed it.

On page 6 of 32 it states, "The challenge faced by Steem is deriving an algorithm for scoring individual contributions that most community members consider to be a fair assessment of the subjective value of each contribution."

Clearly, as Bernie and others have pointed out, this challenge is still faced by the platform, nearly two years after its inception. Something has got to give.

Leadership needs to address this sooner rather than later. With every day that passes, more cryptocurrencies pop up - steem is losing the valuation race despite the first mover advantage it has on so many other projects. It will likely continue to do so until Steemit's systemic flaws are addressed, or something far superior shines as the face of the steem blockchain.

nicnas (66) · 7 years ago (edited)

He is one of the worst abusers of the platform. That's why he is getting so upset and threatening. Instead of helping fix the haejin issue. He continues to upvote his comments and his alts comments.

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lexiconical (72) · 7 years ago

Clutch pic, Nic.

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ura-soul (75) · 7 years ago

Feedback on my proposed partial solution to this issue is welcomed - generosity rank / 'vote spread' algorithm.

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lexiconical (72) · 7 years ago

Already been done with Steemfollower. It doesn't seem to be catching on, because nobody wants to change anything around here.

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ura-soul (75) · 7 years ago

I just looked at steemfollower - but I don't really see how their service is equivalent to the generosity algorithm.

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fractalfreedom (45) · 7 years ago

@themarkymark this is so old already. No ill will to you. No more flags.
I ask everyone to settle down with the bad actions. So counter productive.
I'm focusing on a new role and retiring on crypto. May your steem account grow as you do!

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michaeldavid (65) · 7 years ago

It's not old bro... grumpydick is still attacking honest people here for nothing. My bot was just threatened by him this morning. He's backed by no one, just throwing weight around.

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fractalfreedom (45) · 7 years ago

Just saying don't get stuck in downward sinking spirals. I don't agree with everyone but I don't despise anyone either. Easy to get drawn in. Effort to remove. Just be yourself!
be positive. Be wise.

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michaeldavid (65) · 7 years ago

Well said.

j3dy (60) · 7 years ago

Just be yourself!
be positive. Be wise.

:D you might not realise people are being themselves, greedy and scared :D

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zirar (49) · 7 years ago

Who da fook is dat guy @haejin?

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oszy (25) · 7 years ago

this is funn

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

Fook Flood Mayweather!

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whatstheword (27) · 7 years ago

this is under appreciated

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studgriffin (48) · 7 years ago

7% of the reward pool posting garbage

Lmao we've moved the figure to 7% now?

His content is not garbage, it's some of the best content on steem. Miles ahead of anything you, grumpycat or the shit whale has ever posted.

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themarkymark (78) · 7 years ago

I estimated it to be around 7% when he is not flagging and his VP has recovered. He is somewhere between 4-5% right now and was 5% yesterday.

7%+ is what I predicted originally before all the flagging and optimized voting.

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letmesee (41) · 7 years ago

"At the moment, everything is off the radar." LOL. I am glad that their threats are not silencing you.

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silveready1 (43) · 7 years ago

max alter ego bully.jpe

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vonbuelo (54) · 7 years ago

That is my answer!

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gutter-films (39) · 7 years ago (edited)

Small time capitalists angry with the larger capitalists for being more successful at cheating/stealing via bots than they are at stealing/cheating using bots.
Would not expect any less from anything created in this society. Small number of greedy assholes try to steal from everyone else. That's capitalism in a nutshell. You are giving your money away to these people by dumping money into a system you know someone is going to leverage to your detriment. Stop investing and just use the place as a blog/youtube replacement and the whales only have themselves to steal from. People are willingly investing in a bot managed pyramid scheme...

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j3dy (60) · 7 years ago

well we will have one more dictator in a few months of time, I'm wondering why @abit and the other whales that were running the whales no vote experiment haven't banded up again, although it would be like a state police in some cases I don't see a problem moderating someone that doesn't know moderation and is ok with being top 1 spammer of the year

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travelersmemoire (58) · 7 years ago

I really don’t like that SteemIt is forming authoritarian gangs of sorts...

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palasatenea (57) · 6 years ago (edited)

I've voted you (@themarkymark) for witness after reading this post, if you know more witnesses that worth to vote for i would appreciate some suggestions, steemit seems to me a very interesting proyect that i think worth to defend.

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themarkymark (78) · 6 years ago

Thanks ;)

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bryguy (49) · 7 years ago

Omg I’m so lost in the drama what the hell is happening? Plz some explain from the beginning

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bigmike420 (56) · 7 years ago

I'm doing steem just for fun and to kill time. sooooo..

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

This is what he has "pending". That is for 7 days. Do the math. Whether his content is good or not, it is simply too much.

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lasseehlers (69) · 7 years ago

Flag that rubbish.

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rose98734 (64) · 7 years ago

This is a result of people continuing to vote for his posts. Stop! Vote for someone else and the problem goes away.

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wix (55) · 7 years ago

This guy is making almost as much as a CEO of a corporation would.. Just crazy

anarchyhasnogods (68) · 7 years ago

nobody can make that much through their own labor

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago (edited)

Oh my fucking goat! I do hope a nuclear collision between the US and NoKor will set off soon for the good of humanity--eliminating greedy, profit-maniac assholes! Human beings are just a cancer to the society!

cptnduras (39) · 7 years ago

People are making money off of steem?! Oh the humanity!

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mobilehustler (27) · 7 years ago

someone think of the children lol

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gleek (50) · 7 years ago

Wow ! & I still wait to see my post to get just the decimal part 😬😬😹😹😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

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gleek (50) · 7 years ago

Hey @haejin help some minnows with one weeks payout 😬😬😁😁

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cheelex (34) · 7 years ago

You're very correct...... Its way too much

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erikvantools (49) · 7 years ago

Wow really ? I want all those sbd to fix my life

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

Those SBD can fix a third-world economy!

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playfulfoodie (68) · 7 years ago

Wow that's crazy... I'd say he will be rich enough soon to not even need Steemit anymore.

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michaeldavid (65) · 7 years ago

he doesnt need it now he's just here to be a dick

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playfulfoodie (68) · 7 years ago

What a sad thing that is.

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canadianmgtow (41) · 7 years ago

Even if the guy invented the freakin Bible in 7 days, it would not be worth 28,822 SBD. This really feels like some giant ponzi scheme (at best it is crony capitalism).

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fourfourfun (55) · 7 years ago

Your Voting Power goes down if you hammer it too much. We should also have Posting Power to assist with reward volume.

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travelersmemoire (58) · 7 years ago

There’s so many users making way too much for what they’re putting out! Honestly, most Steem users fall into this category.

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setuakter (45) · 7 years ago (edited)

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

Here is a small spammy account for your flagging practice.

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acidyo (80) · 7 years ago

We really need to do something against 100k $ a week rewards for posts that are pretty much a gamble and in worst case scenario are taking advantage of the readers that follow the trades.

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letmesee (41) · 7 years ago (edited)

It's actually only one SUPER Whale that gives Haejin's post most of its value. I was a supporter of Haejin because I use to think he cared about the analysis that he put out. Now it just looks like a game to see how much money he can get from his post. Just my own personal opinion.

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poet (55) · 7 years ago

And psychologically, people are more likely to take highly upvoted posts seriously, and upvote them too.

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edje (69) · 7 years ago

Agree and that is used and abused here at Steemit by more members than just this guy, unfortunately.

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jessandthesea (57) · 7 years ago

Such a good point @poet -- which is kind of the point, that good posts should be upvoted, but there is definitely some scandal at play :/

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j4y (45) · 7 years ago (edited)

he does good analysis, but apparently greed has taken over.

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

A lot of similar crap analysis provided for free on other websites. His followers are just a bunch of morons! Not to mention his crap analysis failed multiple times! This is what happens when crypto trading becomes a religion!

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swpnl7 (39) · 7 years ago

Well said. Totally agree with that.

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alxmuh (51) · 7 years ago

Well said, indeed! Here's my vote)

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mishegas (43) · 7 years ago

People build a brand they expect to be paid for it
Otherwise they can do charity and join Hare Krishna

What we really need is analysis of analysis
Cut to the core of the crap. And show they're just wasting you time, your LIFE reading it. Or worse still misleading you into losing money investing (gambling) or deliberatly robbing you

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edje (69) · 7 years ago

He never ever comments or answers questions to his own posts while he also leaves out the most important part of his predications, how he determines the targets.

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danpaulson (62) · 7 years ago

Haejin was getting 3000+ views and 250+ votes before ranchorelaxo ever voted for him. If you want a lot of votes and attention from whales, try to do what haejin does. Provide quality content that your fans want to see, bring fans in from other platforms, get your fans to purchase sp to support you.

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mishegas (43) · 7 years ago

That sounds like WORK
Easier to make music on MTV Money for nothing and your chicks for free

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veerall (50) · 7 years ago

what about posts with only a happy new year or a photo or those girls who just pose at a beach and generate 1000z of $$$? atleast he gives some info on cryptos.

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canadianmgtow (41) · 7 years ago

Christ, if I see another crypto post in the top 3 posts, I'll freak.

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veerall (50) · 7 years ago

yea, but better then a hapy new year post with some chick posing and recieving 1000z...

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lasseehlers (69) · 7 years ago

TA is rubbish, so yes he is misleading his audience.

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natachayacinthe1 (51) · 7 years ago

@acidyo so why voting for this kind of post. I don't understand

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steemitromney (53) · 7 years ago

@acidyo, ok man but what?! Let's say we all downvote @haejin for reaping to much rewards. He can just easily transfer the SP that is upvoting him to another account and do his trick elsewhere, or if he's smart 25 different accounts.
In my opinion a downvoting campaign will accomplish nothing. What will? Healthy competition and hard-working mentality. Elliot Wave analysis regarding cryptocurrencies, which is an extremely popular topic on Steemit, is a monopoly market now because it's new. It's owned by Haejin, the first-mover. This is not sustainable as there is no entry barrier for competitors. Anyone can start up business next door. That brings me to my closing remark:

I thought we liked that about this system, the only power on this platform is Steem Power..? Just become popular or buy a lot of SP if you want to influence the reward pool according to your own standards....

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aenor (64) · 7 years ago

You don't have to downvote anyone.

The reward pool is fixed and is shared out in proportion. So upvoting someone else is equivalent in value to downvoting haejin in terms of percentages.

The real problem is that the rest of the community isn't upvoting enough. They could easily counter the whales by going on voting sprees and voting for deserving articles (the articles the whales vote for then get less of a reward percentage).

If you want to stop abuse the most efficient way is to go out on a voting spree and the more people who do this, the more effective it will be.

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phedizzle (55) · 7 years ago (edited)

because, whats the point when your vote is literally worth less than .01? wasting votes. i vote on posts and comments i think are good content. but it has no impact.

although this is annoying and disturbing drama to be observing as a newb, its an important topic to the future of steemit. if im going to invest 6-8 hours a day writing one post that might get 1$, its worth following this pissing contest a bit. So, here i am trying to make sense of it.

your suggestion sounds good, but doesnt seem like it would even put a dent in the problem because minnows still wouldnt be able to effectively participate in directing the future of this platform. 0.01 vote helps no one. all it does is drain your inconsequential voting power.

the people who are earning so much, good for them, i guess. some of them. whales complaining all over the place how whats his face is basically cheating, yet are not helping minnows get stronger to join in. there are way more minnows here than witnesses and whales. so when you say everyone should upvote other people, ummm. minnows are but its bascially null and void, at the mercy of a whale or curation team for a couple of crumbs. there are some curation teams which are super inspiring because they truly are giving benefit to the community. helping others.

lastly, is steemit going to be a social platform where only discussions on crypto have value? i was under the impression it was supposed to be an all inclusive diverse world wide social network. why are MORE whales and Witnesses NOT bumping up minnows? is it because of greed? afraid to lose power? because thats sure what it looks like. if you think everyone should just start upvoting everyone else, minnows need a whole shit ton more leverage. sorry so long

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rose98734 (64) · 7 years ago

If thousands of minnows are voting, then it adds up as far as the reward pool goes.

The problem is that most minnows think like you do and are not bothering - and that attitude hands power to the whales.

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phedizzle (55) · 7 years ago (edited)

Not true! We ARE voting! As I said, I'm commenting and upvoting every single day at an easily weakened 100%. Maybe 10 votes a day before I'm slapped on the wrist with loss of voting strength from participating too much. How is that giving more power to the whales? I'm voting on stuff that's really well constructed by people who are investing their soul into the content they're creating. It's just like real life. My vote has no direct effect but I'm sure as hell going to vote anyway for the reason that I like SUPPORTING the people who are doing a great job.

phedizzle (55) · 7 years ago

i was trying to emphasize my point which is a little hard to show through text sometimes. so i wanted to clarify, reading my response to you in my head, i was not screaming hahaha. i was being animated but not angry for what its worth.

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ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago

Elliot waves are far from infallible. If his chart analysis was that good he wouldn’t need to be taking anything from the reward pool.

cabbage-dealer (59) · 7 years ago

so true, if his TA was so good then why does he have the need to take rewards for steemit? he is money hungry in my opinion and if he really cared about the community he would ask the whale upvoting him to stop, let devout minnow followers dictate how much his blogs are worth, not a HUGE whale!

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joshpeterson (58) · 7 years ago (edited)

I think you're right, @steemitromney. He's winning right now because he doesn't have competition. If his work truly is garbage (I don't know anything about Elliot Wave analysis, so I can't tell), then what needs to happen is that there need to be a few accounts that regularly debunk his work, or if it works. At least that's in theory what would level out the playing field. But I'm convinced that a good majority of the upvotes are coming from low-level bots that he's controlling. He's moneyballing the system. We'd need someone to do a network analysis of the voting activity towards his account to gain some certainty on that though.

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thedolphin (52) · 7 years ago

I learned and am still learning Elliot Wave analysis from Haejin, and I post my scribblings at my blog here. Your welcome to follow and upvote mine analytics :)

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liamobtv (48) · 7 years ago

lol

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

Elliot Wave analysis regarding cryptocurrencies, which is an extremely popular topic on Steemit, is a monopoly market now because it's new.

I'd prefer to call it the Idiot Wave.

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charles1 (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

The guy is practically raping the reward system with extreme greed and we all are just looking ..only Bernie is fighting this war ...where are the witnesses...I am not against him making 1K daily but let it be one good post, max 2 daily...One is even enough for him because he crowds all the tags and no space for others to even shine..this is not good for the ecosystem-especially posts based on speculations. Thanks for posting this Bernie, hope all see this post and someone do something...10x posts daily!!! damn...
Steemit Inc , please do a daily post limit!!! 1 post a day will be great...2 max however if we reach 1M + members then 1 post max a day will reduce this type of greed.

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jacobtothe (70) · 7 years ago

There was a time when 4 posts/day was the max before a diminishing returns algorithm kicked in. last I knew, Golos still uses this system, but are planning a fork to add the current Steemit code, and while I like the single 7-day payout window, I don't care for the spammer reward system.

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reidlist (56) · 7 years ago

It's beyond just making more money than you're worth. He's taking part in something that respectable news outlets disallow for a reason. Using a follower base to influence the price of a low cap asset. It is his followers fault if they get burned to an extent, but it doesn't make it okay.

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ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago

The bigger the following & hype, the more his pics behave as he predicts, till they don’t

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that9thcloud (37) · 7 years ago

I don't agree with post limits , we can deal with this in a different way .

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smurf123444 (50) · 7 years ago

i honestly don't mind it but can we put all of em in one post instead of multiple haha

playfulfoodie (68) · 7 years ago

Yeah, that's basically it. There's just too many posts in one day with info that could very well be put in one post. I don't mind the info/speculation perse, just that it's in so many posts as to milk for the most possible rewards.

Kind of makes you start missing those days of max 3-4 posts a day!

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6 votes

gomeravibz (67) · 7 years ago (edited)

Well I agree @playfulnoodle, maybe this is what we should do is curb accounts from posting ad finitum like this ?? I dont like what i am seeing, @haeijin is not the only person I see making too many short and repetetive styled posts of frankly not much interest ! We need to get the quality back up I feel so yeah why not go back to limiting the number of posts again ! Three posts for most people would be too much no ?? If they were good posts that is with content which is nicely put together with thought !

playfulfoodie (68) · 7 years ago

Three posts for most people would be too much no ??

I'd say that. I don't think people would be able to create many more good quality posts on one day, 7 days a week. I sometimes write a couple of posts more on a day, but that's to have some in advance, you can spread those out over the week instead of spamming all in one day.

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danpaulson (62) · 7 years ago

His votes of "not much interest" over 10000 views and hundreds to thousands of votes. Maybe others find different things of interest.

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gomeravibz (67) · 7 years ago

yes no doubt @danpaulson, but crypto market posts are not my source of interest here i can tell you that ) But then thats me, Im not everybody else ofcourse !!

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trailofwhales (52) · 7 years ago

A daily report would be fine.

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that9thcloud (37) · 7 years ago (edited)

I can see your point , just hope it doesn't lead to post limits because I post about different topics daily & sometimes post more than other days.

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fromportugal (45) · 7 years ago

I believe you should create a system to compensate small users that find situations like that......I detected some....how will I denounce it? I will make enemies....will the system compensate me if I denounce? that is the point

stadex (50) · 7 years ago

-18?
How the fuck is that even possible, who did you piss off?
I know there was a whale war but I thought it was sorted out.

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

Maybe it's about time to create a community council specially designated to address this type of abuse? I believe the US electoral voting system will be the perfect model for electing a decentralize authority.

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phedizzle (55) · 7 years ago

Are u serious? 2 of the last 3 presidents were put in office by the electoral college who went against the results of the popular vote for the other candidate. That system can be corrupted too.

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

Popular vote is a very dangerous thing! It doesn't take a genius to conclude that the majority of the world's population is comprised of stupid religious morons.

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phedizzle (55) · 7 years ago (edited)

Lots of people in positions of power across the world are also as you described. You left out all the people in both categories who are religious and not morons as well as those who are not religious or stupid who do good for the people around the world. Bad argument imo

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago (edited)

There is a reason why the Electoral College is chosen by the US lawmakers as a way of arriving a distributed consensus! Remember--we are talking about decentralization here! Take this simple scenario.

If we are going to conduct a worldwide poll on which religion is telling the truth--if would come out Christianity will be the clear winner by virtue of popular votes since it has the biggest number of population.

Dang! Even my dog can tell the result was a popular joke.

Now tell me, how could you justify popular vote in that case?

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phedizzle (55) · 7 years ago

first of all, you are going off on a totally different tangent than what this entire drama is all about.

we are not talking about religions. you are wanting to pivot the discussion to focus on religions but this is not about how many people in the world are christian or any other type of religion.

id also like to point out that even within religions people do not all believe the same way. to say that people are stupid and incapable of making sound judgements for themselves because they are religious is flat out cognitive dissonance because, again, you are failing to account for the fact that many of the US's Lawmakers are themselves religious. The same goes for around the world. People in general are religious so, again, your argument fails.

Which, by the way, the lawmakers in America, are actively and aggressively working to pass laws directly related to their particular flavor of religion. the founding fathers wanted church and state to be separate for that very reason, yet here we are in 2017 with lawmakers passing laws dictating what women can and cannot do with their bodies, as just one example.

so, please save the bs for someone else who more gullible. youll probably have some kind of retort but im not going to respond anymore because youre projecting your views about religion onto a discussion that is actually focused on economic politics within the steemit platform.

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago (edited)

Are u serious? 2 of the last 3 presidents were put in office by the electoral college who went against the results of the popular vote for the other candidate. That system can be corrupted too.

First off let us go back to where this all started! What I am doing is simply the use of analogy in order to understand things clearly as much as possible.

You've disputed the beauty of Electoral College system, and if I'm reading you correctly, you are in favor of popular votes.

Here we go! You are probably a huge Hillary fantard--I suspect. This is going to be fun. I am not a US citizen by the way--I don't have any vested interest with your politics there whatsoever.

I don't care if your next president will be the son of Mr. Bean! What I admire is the beauty of your electoral system as the most viable solution against centralization of power within the same class.

The same thing goes here on Steemit! Since nobody has a grown balls to flag these whales abusing their Steem Power--therefore I am proposing to have a decentralized source of authority to handle abuse of power--which will be elected through an Electoral College of some sort!

This decentralized council will receive a terrifying amount of Steem Power delegation from the @steemit account--and will be in-charged to sanction these abusive whales once a consensus has been established through community voting using the Electoral College system.

Imagine if we follow the popular votes system--please note that haejin has more than 17,000 followers at the moment--do you think it will make sense?

Always remember most folks following this guy is coming from the Trading, Bitcoin, Altcoin, Shitcoin, Cryptocurrency, Technical Garbage culture!

How about the minority voices--those who are interested in Cooking, Gardening, Science, Technology, Nature, Travel, Solar Power, Racing, Space Exploration, Religion, Atheism, Pornography, Photography, Gambling, Cinematography, Boxing, Magic, etc.

Does that mean their voices are not counted during community voting because they represent a small minority here on @steemit?

That's the thing that you should begin to ponder on! Again, there is a reason why the Electoral College system is adapted by the US commission on election!

Your turn!

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upboat (44) · 7 years ago

@berniesanders @acidyo The solution is you need more whales downvoting - like @adm and such.

Minnows are worried about losing their tiny incomes.

Thus.. More whales like bernie need to grow some balls! Otherwise haejin may as well ramp up the 12 posts per day. The longer this is left untouched the stronger they become.

Then who can defend the reward pool rape?

Need to nip this in the bud sooner before it's too late.

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

@adm, @steemcleaners, @steem, @steemit -- you seriously should do your part and respond accordingly the soonest possible time before it's too late -- else this whole community will be owned and dominated by a single person. Act now or cry later!

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logic (67) · 7 years ago

Unfortunately it isn't our scope as we would be accused of content moderation.
Although I personally think that such abuse like haejin destroys this platform.

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joshvel (60) · 7 years ago

Why @haejin has to post almost every hour? Why are they keep on upvoting? Should we listen to the warnings of @berniesanders and @acidyo? Or else...we could all loose.

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fractalfreedom (45) · 7 years ago (edited)

@acidyo if you really think that it is worth your time and effort to "do something against 100k a week rewards" then I honestly do wish you well in your task. Totally serious. I am starting to wonder about the amounts he is receiving and if it is any of MY business. Because small or not I upvote and resteem most of his posts! But I ponder if perhaps in making your own rewards you would forget about @haejin and his totally evil plot. Or what ever wrong he continues to reek upon the landscape of steem. No one has ever explained WHY it is so bad what haejin is doing and WHO he is hurting.
Until some bounty was placed upon him, and a war call cried out, haejin was a nobody! Now he is a somebody. How big is his body count before war was brought to him? None. Best to leave it alone.

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read3986 (53) · 7 years ago (edited)

That, and people flooding the site by re-posting content from other web sources to get upvotes. There should be some differentiation between copy and past postings and original content.

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cryptobug (36) · 7 years ago

There is it's called @originalworks

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miroslavm (40) · 7 years ago

I tried @originalworks a couple of times on my posts and never got any feedback. And posts were 100% genuine and original, even the images. I am new to it, so I perhas missed sth about @OriginalWorks

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marty-arts (65) · 7 years ago

It would be really great if he could post it in one or two posts a day.. this is too much.. but im sad there are no rules against this kind of problem..

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edje (69) · 7 years ago

Agree... And what about these other Steemians who take a LOT of money from the reward pool every single day with mediocre to bad posts? The circle jerk groups? Something is really broken in Steemit and we have to find a solution for it to prevent this community to fall apart at some point in time, and Steem value to suffer from it. Soon, Steemit will have competition, and the monopoly is gone!

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cmoljoe (53) · 7 years ago (edited)

Problem is ego and greed for money. @haejin flagged fundraiser for me from 50$ to 0$. Who flag fundraiser? Only moron!

Link about it

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edje (69) · 7 years ago

That is a sad story man and respectless behaviour.

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cmoljoe (53) · 7 years ago

When ego take control of someone this is what happens...

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massivevibration (56) · 7 years ago

Can anybody name those circlejerk groups by name???
I noticed quite a lot!
Too many!!!

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numpypython (67) · 7 years ago

Indeed. In the wise words of John Templeton, "don't confuse brains with a bull market."

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rifat (1) · 7 years ago

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neoxian (70) · 7 years ago

We used to have a solution for this, it was the four post limit.

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farq (54) · 7 years ago (edited)

in my opinion, it should be set up so that the net effect of user A voting on User B's posts, diminishes with each subsequent vote within a reasonable period of time (ie, a week, or a month, etc). That should apply whether up or down. 1 user should not be able to completely "make or break" another user.

If i vote for you, with my voting power, you'll get about 0.07. If i vote for you again within a day or so that reward should then be 0.035. after that, 0.0175, and so on. The same thing should happen when I vote for myself. Votes should be encouraged to be applied to others throughout the community, and not concentrated between few people.

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jesta (71) · 7 years ago

I've argued for this concept as well, which you can find implemented in many games. "Diminishing Returns" is the concept, where each subsequent related action is less impactful than the last. Many others raised objections to the complex nature of how it would have to be implemented, but it would definitely reduce the impact one person should have over another.

The same effect could be applied to both up and down votes.

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farq (54) · 7 years ago

something being complex is no reason to not implement something - implementing a social network onto a blockchain is also pretty complex but they did that.....

lets hope sense prevails..

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jesta (71) · 7 years ago

One of the other reasons was that you could simply bypass it with a little effort, at least in terms of taking rewards from the pool.

If User A continuously upvotes User B, and diminishing rewards is implemented, User B could just create 100 accounts and post once on each account, and User A could upvote all of those posts from different users to bypass the diminishing returns.

That's one way around it.

However, it would still prevent User A from constantly upvoting B, and it would prevent downvoting in the same manner.

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farq (54) · 7 years ago

my answer to that would be for that kind of activity to be considered abuse - and for the witnesses to have the power to deal with accounts created soley for abuse.

it also makes it a lot harder though. user A would have to keep creating 100 accounts every couple of weeks as those first 100 accounts would lose effectiveness.

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jesta (71) · 7 years ago (edited)

Well, diminishing returns wouldn't last forever between User A + User B I'd imagine. I don't think you should be penalized for voting for the same person once a week for a year for example. The diminishing aspect itself might kick in on the 2nd or 3rd vote for the same person on the same day, but it'd also replenish over time. So they'd eventually be able to recycle through those 100 accounts as the effects started to wear off.

It does make it harder, but in the end it doesn't solve the problem fully. It would however prevent people from focusing and picking on specific individuals, which also would make it harder to fight actual abuse :(

The entire situation is hard to find a proper solution for, which is why no one has jumped on implementing a solution.

At this point I think the entire rewards system may need to be fundamentally changed, maybe built from the ground up, in order to truly solve the problems at hand.

Originally posted in the /f/undefined forum on chainBB.com (learn more).

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farq (54) · 7 years ago

I pretty much agree and acknowledge all of what you say - i think we're on the same page except you obviously have a deeper understanding than I. it makes sense though.

I'm guessing that we're not likely to see a reward system rewrite any time soon, given how drastic event that would be, the effort required, and the witness consensus, would make it almost impossible - so perhaps an incremental improvement as per our suggestion would be the way to go - even if not the perfect implementation...

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neoxian (70) · 7 years ago (edited)

Yea but if user B used all 100 accounts to do it each time, it would be the same effect. And if B only used 1 account at a time, then the abuse was reduced by 100. Not bad.

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neoxian (70) · 7 years ago

That's a pretty good idea. I suggested something similar in the past.

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farq (54) · 7 years ago

it's an obvious flaw and it needs attention. If someone is rich enough, they can pretty much take over the whole network. you've got a pretty high reputation, and a fair bit of voting weight behind you - but someone can pretty much wipe out your reputation with a sustained attack if they have enough voting weight.

At my level - it wouldn't take much to wipe out my reputation. It's a form of censorship, as if i piss off the wrong whale they can effectively silence me.

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wix (55) · 7 years ago

I've mention this several times but no one ever listens

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syncubate (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

The post limit constraint should be applied again, specifically in regards to the number of posts that one can author and seek rewards for in a given time period. Any posts made afterwards could automatically default to "Decline Payout." In this manner, community engagement for the sake of engagement would be fostered, while still rewarding quality content.

Unfortunately the "Money Talks" slogan doesn't really convey this. Steemit has a marketing problem and it is tarnishing the public's perception of the steem blockchain. This is what ultimately needs to be addressed if steem is ever going to grow and sustain value.

neoxian (70) · 7 years ago

The four post limit used to work "behind the scenes". You could post as much as you want, but when you have more then four per day, a penalty would get applied to your post rewards.
The penalty wasn't even really that bad for 5 or 6 posts.

It was an elegant system and it worked just fine for many months. It was removed without any real discussion or reason behind it.

cmoljoe (53) · 7 years ago

Can Steemit implement it only for some users that are obviously draining reward pool?

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tiagopaixao (38) · 7 years ago

in that regard, is there a place where all these unspoken rules are stated? The whole "upvoting rewards vs time after posting" is still a mystery to me, and seems to have changed a bit over time and I cannot find anywhere where up-to-date info exists... The 4-post rule seems like another one of those rules that I heard about a long time ago, but only through other people commenting on it...

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freebornangel (73) · 7 years ago

Thanks, again, stinc, et al.

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moon32walker (71) · 7 years ago

I would reduce it to 1.

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theinsideout (52) · 7 years ago

Yeah, maybe 1 post and also some limit on comments.

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neoxian (70) · 7 years ago

One seems a bit much. We had the four post limit for a pretty long time, and it worked perfectly. I really don't understand why it was removed.

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moon32walker (71) · 7 years ago

That was one of the mysteries at the time, why it was removed who knows, I bet you they didn't foresee all the damage that caused. Maybe they did it to keep the number of blockchain transactions on an uptrend.
If only one blog per day would be too restrictive, perhaps 1 blog per day would get sbd rewards, the rewards on remaining allowed posts per day would go to steem power.

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theinsideout (52) · 7 years ago

I think we should use up our posting power similar to the way we use up our voting power. It might also keep down the number of "Great Post" spam comments. People could be more motivated to contribute to discussions that interest them.

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jesta (71) · 7 years ago

Wouldn't stop it, they'd just use multiple accounts.

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neoxian (70) · 7 years ago

You know, this isn't some crazy idea that I just made up. We had this, it was fine, it was good and it worked. Did people make multiple accounts to get around the four post limit in the past? Generally speaking, no.

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jesta (71) · 7 years ago

I never said it was a crazy idea, I'm just saying it's an artificial limitation that would get in the way of legitimate usage.

These kinds of limitations are what we have in the 20-second window too - which also needs to be removed.

The problem isn't "how many times can I post in a day", nor is it the solution.

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freebornangel (73) · 7 years ago

With the n2 to discourage self voting?

Or at least a sigmoid curve?

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massivevibration (56) · 7 years ago

Exactly!!!!!

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jsteem (52) · 7 years ago

Thats some aggressive posting!

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por500bolos (68) · 7 years ago

Wadda pile of ever growing hemispherical neglect & hemispherical blindness we have to witness everyday!! Shessh!! 😈

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trevonjb (74) · 7 years ago

LOL!

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11 votes

fartblaster (40) · 7 years ago

LOL

newlive (36) · 7 years ago

wtf o.O

artopium (66) · 7 years ago (edited)

Exactlly @newlive Is it me or is this a big "shit on capitalism" post? I mean, I don't think a capitalistic model is the best for producing quality content anyway. Look at the reduction in quality of manufactured goods over the last 5 decades. You can thank capitalism for that. But yeah, greed is a motivating factor for sure. LOL!

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niyinails (43) · 7 years ago

"Lol" getting $52.92

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markoh (25) · 7 years ago

lol when i clicked on this post, my computer crashed. Must be telling me something

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niyinails (43) · 7 years ago

LOL.....it's just a hoax. he is part of the system he is complaining about. See how much it he lost is taking barely an hour.

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estadocida (34) · 7 years ago

you are right. clickbait and upvote bot. sad!

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lasseehlers (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

Well, Bernie has a point, TA is rubbish!

I flagged all of @haejin 's posts for the last 7 days.... if whales follow through, then steem will be a better place, meaning higher price of STEEM.

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fractalfreedom (45) · 7 years ago

@lasseehlers and you earned how much?

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lasseehlers (69) · 7 years ago

What you mean? Right now flags dont have curration reward, which is a problem. In other words there should be a curation reward for flagging.

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gduran (69) · 7 years ago

That would not be good, if it where I could make money by just going on a flagging spree.

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fractalfreedom (45) · 7 years ago

IRS!

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

LOL

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fractalfreedom (45) · 7 years ago

How is BCC trevon?

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lasseehlers (69) · 7 years ago

Right now you can make ~50% profit by buying BCC in a matter of a very short time, the site just came back up.

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snubbermike (59) · 7 years ago

Who cares what another user is doing?

Why the envy? Focus on that which you can control.. Make better content, interact with the community, buy Steem on the dips, and vote for your own content if you want - you will make money...

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canadianmgtow (41) · 7 years ago

How the heck did you get over 7,700 steem? Did you buy it all?

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ura-soul (75) · 7 years ago

Feedback on my proposed partial solution to this issue is welcomed - generosity rank / 'vote spread' algorithm.

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edje (69) · 7 years ago (edited)

I would love to do something to this account, but my powers is next to nothing and will not make any difference. What I've done to further qualify if this account is useful or not:

Watched and Read various Posts
Commented to various posts asking why he is not answering any questions to his own posts and analyses, or upvoting any of the relevant comments > didn't get any feedback from the author, however did get feedback from supporters of this guy making excuses he is too busy and all
Most relevant information in his predications are usually missing, ie how he determines target values, so yeh some can be learned from his videos, but not in reality, it looks like you need to just trust this guy knows his stuff (and maybe he does, or doesn't, I dont know, I never checked if his predications are more to the truth then other predications)
He posted before on TradingView his ideas, but stopped doing so
He has a website presenting his channel/presence at Steemit
Looks like he uses only Steemit as the service to get his trading ideas published

Even when this guys predictions are good, I think taking 100s of dollars per post times 10 to 20 posts per day from the reward pool; combined with his partial explanations on how he does the predications; Just looks a bit outrageous to me.

That said, we have more Steemians taking 1000s of dollars from the reward pool every single day, with not that great posts as well. An ongoing BIG PROBLEM within our community. Auto voting in a circle jerk style.

Note: Self voted for visibility!

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alyssasanders (58) · 7 years ago

You don't have to do anything to that account. Just stop voting for it, and vote for other people's posts.

As someone pointed out, a vote for someone else is equivalent to a downvote for the bad actor, because the reward pool is fixed and shared out via percentages.

Basically it needs the community to go on a mass voting spree for good posts, and the amount the bad posts get will automatically shrink without anyone having to do anything explicit.

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edje (69) · 7 years ago

Problem is that the majority of the SP holders are in circle jerk or vote for these type of accounts.

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lasseehlers (69) · 7 years ago

I flagged all @haejin 's posts for the last 7 days, since I think technical analysis is complete non-sense that is misleading the public.

Now @berniesanders dont you think I deserve some upvotes on my blog?

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https://steemit.com/flag/@lasseehlers/monkeys-are-better-at-trading-the-haejin-flog-his-posts-they-are-misleasning-people

lasseehlers (69) · 7 years ago

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riseofth (62) · 7 years ago (edited)

As a decentralized platform both reward inequality and abusing bot votes both can be solved with courage, intelligence and some sacrifice in a decentralized ways.

1-2M SP from collective source or few whales to encounter @haejin like scenario. If a whale can upvote 8-10 of his posts to $300 so can another account with 2M can downvote his 7-9 post to equalize the situation.
Making a channel for reporting bot vote abuse. Once a user is identified , he/she will be flagged and banned from bot voting similar to flagged by @chitah or @steemcleaners. The abuser will make another account, therefore, it will be a continuous process. Therefore, the fund and initiative should come from the bot owner association. Since it is their responsibility to guard this abuse not TOS but action.
It is never possible to fight all these abusers, also they will evolve to find more loopholes. Therefore, actions should evolve too. A dedicated chat channel, 2M SP fund for vote equalization (why not if there are numerous underground or open channel for circle-jerk voting ), an association to fight bot vote abuse from bot owners.

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iwanttruth (43) · 7 years ago

Whoa! A Reasonable Solution!?

garthfreeman (56) · 7 years ago

What's this all about now? Is there a call to action I missed, or are you just hating on everyone?

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I also mention it in this video.

lasseehlers (69) · 7 years ago

Technical analysis is not doing better then letting a monkey trade, studies have shown this in the past. So clearly @haejin is being rewarded for non-sense and misleading his audience.

Flag it!

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kv151 (37) · 7 years ago

exactly what I said earlier today, its all the same analysis to set up long positions with Elliot Waves. Its nothing new or engaging or helping people learn a new concept

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alxmuh (51) · 7 years ago (edited)

just keep flagging that dick. I believe someone said that it will not accomplish anything and that he can migrate to another account. Well, he can, but its easier said than done and after losing a few of those accounts he will stop. I believe that we can eradicate some greedy fuck! As long as rewards are fair, community will leave, if people like haejin will take that away, then Steemit is done. (Not everything build on Capitalism, can survive)

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duongantanky (13) · 7 years ago

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thepassenger (57) · 7 years ago

do u think this is the adequate place to drop this referal-text? come on!

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lasseehlers (69) · 7 years ago

Commenting on the topic in this video (amoung other topics):: https://steemit.com/dtube/@lasseehlers/y7g4z7gm

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nazmul82 (57) · 7 years ago

You are always write good thinking post. I like your write.

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13 votes

northeast (41) · 7 years ago

Yawn.

Steemit works.

Steem has value on the exchanges.

Something-something increasing market capitalization...

What's your problem, man?

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eight-rad (58) · 7 years ago

Still in his position, would you ?

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lasseehlers (69) · 7 years ago

@berniesanders I am not sure if I understand you correct, but you are against @heijin's rewards right?

I will say that there are a lot of bad content that get high rewards, but then again its all subjective.

TA is mombojumbo if you ask me, letting a monkey trade and letting a trader use TA, often give the same results. So yes if I understand you correctly I agree that @haejin should not be rewarded for this, atleast not with so high dollar numbers.

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secondstar (49) · 7 years ago

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outcast81 (45) · 7 years ago (edited)

Gotta admit that's too much, one reward from one of those posts would be enough, for someone that posts daily. I mean, it's not even about how much money you are trying to make from this, but how fast you really wanna do it? Trying to make a million dollares in one day? Is that it? I like rewards just as much as anybody else, but honestly I would feel bad if I got this much for such a subjective content. And this comes from someone that is trying to do something quite similiar and that upvotes is own posts, in the effort to make them more ...visible?, appealing?.

Anyway, thats pure greed, nothing else.

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14 votes

stimialiti (60) · 7 years ago

Only a handful of people here can appreciate how much cynical irony fills this thread and its comments section.

The way this system is programmed, makes it a game of abuse which will fail itself.

This comment is not an expression of support of the thread's initiator, of any of the commentators, or of the user whom is referred to by the subject of the thread, since if anything, those complaining about him and about each other commit worse abuse than he does, even if some of them are less successful in it.

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13 votes

smileking (50) · 7 years ago

Hi,brother your post is excellent writing.Thank for your vote.Please vote me . I need a your voting

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13 votes

ceepee (60) · 7 years ago

This is so not right. How on earth should dis be allowed. This is fucking rewardpool rape and killing steem. Something has to be done. And i am sure there are many more raping the pool same way too. WTF!!!!!!

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niyinails (43) · 7 years ago

sososo painful,you see very good content getting 1.2 while a comment of "lol" get huge pay, it's ridiculous and what ever they are doing, should stop or else they will CRASH this goodwill platform

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syncubate (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

As a trader that posts about the markets as well, I agree with you - to seek payouts on that many posts a day for chart analysis is ridiculous. Traders post this type of analysis for free everyday on platforms such as Stocktwits and Twitter.

When I author posts, I try to consider longer term time frames in my analysis - it is impossible to trade the markets profitably on a day to day basis in the manner the cited author above is insinuating by the titles of his posts, which regularly include the word "profit"!

But it points to an inherent flaw within Steemit itself and this has only been realized with time. I would contend that there should be a cap on the number of posts that one can author on any given day and seek payouts for. If the cap is exceeded, then the rewards for posts made afterwards would automatically default to "Decline Payout" until the next day. A similar constraint could be applied to comments.

What this would do is encourage users to put their best foot forward when contributing content to the platform. Authors get 75% of the rewards on posts here; therefore, the quality of the content should be commensurate with this sizeable distribution.

Thankfully this platform is no longer the stand alone proof of concept for the potential of the steem blockchain. However, it still is the predominant face of it. Like Utopian, it's about time that Steemit encourages more quality commentary, not quantity.

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jaki01 (74) · 7 years ago

Quite some time ago only four fully rewarded posts per day were possible. Why not implementing that again (or even reduce the number to two posts)? One could consider it for comments as well ... Witnesses really should think about it.

I know from your other comments that you care about the platform. Maybe you are interested in some other suggestions I have made some time ago to improve it:

syncubate (50) · 7 years ago

I would like to see this platform succeed. A long-standing concern for me has been that the unaddressed problems seemingly rampant throughout Steemit are steering attention away from the potential of the blockchain itself. And it's not like these solutions require extensive rework - as you noted, there used to be a cap on the number of rewarded posts per day, and that cap could easily be reintroduced.

With newer initiatives being built on top of the steem blockchain, such as Utopian, Dtube, and Dsound, I have only recently grown to appreciate its inherent potential again. The SP delegation feature could potentially attract serious interest and capital flow from the broader crypto community as I liken it to the potential of passive cash flow via proof of stake in other cryptos.

And speaking of other cryptocurrencies, I wrestle with steem's valuation relative to them. Ned Scott, the CEO of Steemit Inc, has openly declared on Twitterthat he feels steem should be a Top 10 crypto. Yet when I read through threads like this, I scratch my head at what exactly Ned might be thinking, considering all of the problems here.

Maybe his thought process is that Steemit isn't the stand alone proof of concept for the blockchain anymore, so its problems can be kicked down the road. Yet these issues need systemic solutions to help improve the perception of the blockchain and its valuation. It's obvious that until this occurs from the top down, we're all just brainstorming while whales will proceed to flag each other and pursue arbitrarily defined self-policing initiatives rather than calling for constructive changes that are applied to users across the board.

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twitterbot (56) · 7 years ago

ned tweeted @ 20 Dec 2017 - 17:59 UTC

STEEM should be a top 10 coin just on the basis of usage level and community size

Disclaimer: I am just a bot trying to be helpful.

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

A lot more websites offer the same crap for free! Steem price will either go up or go down, blah!

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trumpman (72) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thanks @berniesanders for bringing attention to this again and again. Unfortunately I am a coward too, but at least I have the excuse that he can kill my rep and rewards with just a couple of flags :( Come on @ned what are you doing?

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secondstar (49) · 7 years ago

If the system is broken... fix the system, hardfork. Unless maybe too many of those accounts are actually being run by the people in charge of said forks...

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

Not necessary. The system just needs to be used as it was designed.

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14 votes

artopium (66) · 7 years ago

@berniesanders, I have to agree with @secondstar. I feel your pain and believe Steemit could be a better place, free from corrupt whales and such. However, your cry for justice depends on the decency of others and their will power to "rise up." History has shown that to be rarely the case. If people were capable of doing what you are asking then the human race would have abolished government a long time ago. But unfortunately, the masses are not capable of self-governing yet, and so it will probably take a hard fork to fix the problem. Idealistically this shouldn't be necessary and idealistically your call for Steemit justice should should be heeded, but we don't live in an idealistic world.

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secondstar (49) · 7 years ago

Technically, it is. It was designed to allow self votes... of any amount. And it was designed to say money is power. He has money, and thus the power to self vote.

Setting a max % of the rewards pool would solve all of this and make perfect sense as a precautionary line of code... except the people who code it are likely using self votes as well for big paydays.

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secondstar (49) · 7 years ago

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ssjsasha (67) · 7 years ago

Yeah that's pretty ridiculous, Im hoping for great things for steem. If theres more smart media tokens and new ways of doing stuff that require burning lots of steem then steem's price may rise to some nice levels, but not if these whales keep absorbing all the new steem being created...how is steem going to hit $100 if it means these clowns get $40,000 per garbage post?

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reidlist (56) · 7 years ago

At some point there will be more visibility on this, and it will keep every legitimate investor in STEEM from buying in. Any actual business or big name thinking about building a platform here will think twice when behavior like this is allowed to go on.

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syncubate (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

I agree. It's discouraging that this isn't being addressed from the top down by Steemit Inc.

Utopian is an attempt at doing so - they have strict guidelines on the quality of posts they expect from contributors. But it targets a specific audience of writers.

On a platform as large as Steemit though, it would be impossible to moderate in a similar manner. So the tools to discourage this type of behavior have to be built into the mechanics of the interface and applied to all users equitably. One way is to simply limit the number of posts that one can seek rewards for during a specified time period.

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sebrut (25) · 7 years ago

Isn't Steem supposed to stay near $1 instead of rising to high values like $100?
According to the FAQ:

Will 1 Steem Dollar always be worth $1.00 USD?

The market value of a Steem Dollar is dictated by the supply and demand of the token. Therefore it is possible for 1 SBD to be worth more or less than 1 USD depending on market conditions. However, the network's SBD conversion feature serves as a mechanism to hold Steem Dollars within a small margin of the value of USD.

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ssjsasha (67) · 7 years ago

SBD apparently is supposed to be pegged to 1 USD but the market decides the price which is around $6.24

Steems price also is decided by the market, if there are more smart media tokens, kinda like icos, using the steem blockchain, if we grow to millions of users, and if theres new ways to burn steem for whatever purpose, then I can easily see steem going to $100...SBD though is confusing to me lol but who knows maybe the price of that can go just as high

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j3dy (60) · 7 years ago

check out https://steemd.com and you will see the overview of the chain and the economics, there is a price feed being updated by the witnesses that calculates the rewards, the SBD is supposed to be pegged to a dollar and that is how the rewards are calculated, the system doesn't know it's being traded at 6USD outside and if it was the whole math would be different, but it is what it is .... quite sad

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ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago

Supposed to be pegged but definitely not functioning that way. I like that it’s not pegged going into potential huge dollar inflation. But I don’t like that it’s supposed to be pegged & not functioning correctly

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blackybabies (57) · 7 years ago

You are only a false brave.

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cebymaster (63) · 7 years ago

We should limit 3- 4 posts per day per user.

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dahlsom (44) · 7 years ago

What are you upset about? The analyst's analysis or something else? I'm a little confused, and I follow that guy. Is there something I should know?

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artopium (66) · 7 years ago (edited)

Lemme get this straight: you're calling on people to do the right thing?

Yeah, something is wrong. It's called

"greed as the primary motivating factor for determining content quality."

This system is working exactly as it should for those who care to use it to make money. Is the system designed to produce the quality content it purports to do? Probably not. Does it make people money. Yes.

Should the system be fixed?

If you think this system is just for producing quality content then it definitely has some major problems. If you think the system is just for making money, you're in the right place, and nothing is wrong.

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cmoljoe (53) · 7 years ago

@haejin is only interested in money, nothing else! If his first intention was to help others he woudn't flag fundraisers. One guy suprised me with fundraiser for me and @haejin moron flagged it to 0. What kind of pathetic moron you must be to flag fundraiser? You can read more about it here

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j3dy (60) · 7 years ago

hey it is what it is you are the enemy, he can do whatever with his power ...

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cmoljoe (53) · 7 years ago

...and that is feeding his ego.

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charliefreak1 (47) · 7 years ago

oh shit I may be in the Wrong place....

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blackybabies (57) · 7 years ago

False brave.

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moeknows (60) · 7 years ago

I apologize for not doing more. To be honest, after the truce or whatever I kind of felt a little dejected and wondered if a better course of action would be to just encourage mass raping of the pool the way Grumpy did. It would force the issue, if nothing else. But I can't really see myself as being able to carryout that plan long term.

Also, it doesn't help that that his rep is so high. With none of the other upper whales eager to help address the issue, he would be able to run my rep into the ground. It never stopped me from speaking out and speaking my mind, but I didn't really see how my downvoting him would be able to really help the issue.

This isn't over though.

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th1nkfast (56) · 7 years ago (edited)

I will not even mention two people who were promoting shitconnect and now returned to steem and they're posts are on the trending page! People have a short memory...

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steemernoob (39) · 7 years ago

What I don't understand is most of us are just minnows... Privets in this war and you are a whale that has several whales.... U criticize us about attacking reward pool rapist but then you hand us BB guns and tell us to go march to our death. Meanwhile you have all the artillery you need fight this war but you're keeping it all to yourself. Now I'm not talking about giving up any of your steem or your steem power but up voting us enough so we get a decent reward so we have some steem power of our own and actually give us a fighting chance the flag these rapist. I believe in the fight you're fighting I've even though as far as to delegate what little steem power I have to your Bots in the hope that every little ounce counts. You have plenty of us following you ready to march into war but give us the tools to help fight.

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gothika47 (48) · 7 years ago

So people making GOOD QUALLITY CONTENT on this site and spending their money to boost their posts get flagged for some reason but this thing is OK? Who ruins the site more some one who boosts their content that explains the inner workings of SteemIt or some one who just spams 10 qucik posts a day and makes x10 more while doing the same?!

I have never upvoted this guy ever since i saw the posts about him but what else can i do other than boycot?!

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uv10 (51) · 7 years ago

Absolutely right

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reddust (71) · 7 years ago

I will be delegating some of my SP to spam bots when my power down is done. That's how I will be helping. Until then I refrain from voting or supporting people who are taking advantage through using their popularity and SP to game the system.

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trismegistuz (54) · 7 years ago

I've seen the same posts you meant, but bernie is right here. You have to realize the harsh critique he gives is in your best interest, it is all under the guise of making the platform fair for all of us. Not have any single user generating an obscene amount of money, while offering almost nothing for the community.

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j3dy (60) · 7 years ago

maybe now you see why @dan was "trolling" ozchart, I don't see why nobody's getting into this although it could be bloody, anyways this is a flawed system since day1, in the hands of the few that don't really know what to do :)

The trending page is ridiculous and I bet haejin doesn't care since he just came in here and spammed technical analysis ... well people are bound to be selfish, although you are a controversial person here @berniesanders I've always seem some merit in your "OG trollism" I can't say it's a way to change anything or show your perspective but it's your choice and I liked the fact someone was willing to speak up and stand up to the "ruling elite" steemit team

That was a wile ago tho ;)

Well it is what it is, money drain and ned is probably happy SBD is going down because of his fantastical financial game theory skills :)

.... bs bs :D

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greer184 (59) · 7 years ago

I've written multiple articles on possible ways to fix this specific issue that would reduce payouts, I have put my stake on the line:

Air Raid.png

I have exhausted my resources and I have barely made I dent. But that doesn't matter. At the end of the day, I did something to try and fix the problem.

The system is on the line. There are no gods on this platform. So go and let your voice be heard. The blockchain has granted you a voice and yet you remain quiet. Even the smallest minnows make a difference in the aggregate.

No user is bigger than the community. So let's show them that. Or continue to do nothing. My doubts about Proof-of-Stake are growing. Is this truly better than the current system? Only a true community is able to solve it's problems, so stop pretending and put your money where your mouth is.

cmoljoe (53) · 7 years ago (edited)

I will give you 100% support for this...

Reason is this egomaniac flagged to 0$ fundraiser @hendrix22 put up for me. What kind idiot you must be to flag fundraiser? That show @haejin to only looking for himself. If he really have honest intention to others and wanted to help others with his crypto predictions, he woudn't flag fundraiser. Here is story about it: Link

ronel (61) · 7 years ago

Steemit is decentralized but money makes it centralized. What if a multi-billionaire joins steemit, buys 1 billion steem and powered it up? What will happen? It actually depends on the multi-billionaire's purpose. He can do what he wants (i'm referring to a male multi-billionaire). Money can turn decentralized to centralized or vice-versa. Money is infinite numbers. It has no end. It can circulate the entire universe. Even our minds and bodies are controlled by money!

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uv10 (51) · 7 years ago

This sort of continuous infighting between you two is harmful for the platform. and yet you throw dirt on minnows that just choose to upvote a post- it's not their fault.

berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

Sure, so we should just let him take 5%+ of the reward pool, shouldn't we? Go ahead and bend over, it's coming!

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battleaxe (69) · 7 years ago

some people clearly enjoy anal adventures, this seems to go back to a hands off approach or (giving zero fu**s on how users are affected, I don't always look at the tentacles ...but for the head of the Hydra, and there are a couple) time for Medusa?

secondstar (49) · 7 years ago

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saliv8 (40) · 7 years ago

wasn't there an agreement made?

raphal (39) · 7 years ago

he follow and upvote I follow and upvote back

raphal (39) · 7 years ago

he follow and upvote I follow and upvote back

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joecxt (53) · 7 years ago

Yeah, this haejin guy should just do a daily report and since he's making killer predictions, should decline rewards for the posts once a while

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kiporen212 (59) · 7 years ago

Hey @berniesanders Tell us how you really feel about @haejin. :)

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thatanimesnob (48) · 7 years ago

What do you expect me to do? My downvote has a value of 0.010. I don't even care about crypto news.

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easycome (41) · 7 years ago

It's the same shit but with a different smell!!! 💩

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oropeso (36) · 7 years ago

@berniesanders, What did you tell us? Maybe include a link to your previous post(s).

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logicalidiot (35) · 7 years ago (edited)

Son, I understand you. I have upvoted you.

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smurf123444 (50) · 7 years ago

ikr? hes the only one who's said anything about it:p
but why police someone for writing especially on steem.
i wouldnt mind anyone posting anything non violent

oropeso (36) · 7 years ago

Flag that shit!

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scratcher (34) · 7 years ago

I admit I'm one of those cowards

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beyfendi (52) · 7 years ago

We are defeated because of bitches like this. !!!

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isteemithard (60) · 7 years ago (edited)

At this point I feel his posts are pump and dumps for all the readers to become the dumps. He loads up makes a post and dumps with broken up sell orders to all the gullible followers that read the posts. I can only hope someday I can have some great rewards on my actual contributions and engagements to the platform.

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syncubate (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

It's disappointing because it gives traders in general a bad rep. There are those that contribute similar types of analysis for free on other market oriented platforms like Stocktwits and Tradingview. If it's going to be posted on Steemit, it should not be done multiple times a day on a day to day basis in the manner cited above.

Let's take a step back though and isolate the root cause of this dilemma: it's Steemit itself. As it exists today, it allows users to seek rewards on authored posts regardless of the number made within a certain period. Consequently, a lag should be programmed into the platform that discourages this type of behavior for all writers, irrespective of what topic they are writing about. It could limit rewards to "X" number of authored posts within a certain time period for each account, no matter how much SP one has.

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isteemithard (60) · 7 years ago

That could be a good idea, regardless I like your approach instead of just complaining about the issue offer some analysis and possible solutions great idea.

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introvertspeaks (51) · 7 years ago

It's actually no more than a coordinated pumps by those ignoramus followers blindly sucking their master's dick!

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noor.money (36) · 7 years ago (edited)

You are right Dear. We should read the blog first. Then should to post Upvote understanding the blog . So we all need to avoid pushing upvote blindly.

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muhammaddin (9) · 7 years ago

you have great understand and knowledge about steemit, you have much more follower then my expectation it'll be your kind-full act if you resteem my my single post i'll be really thank full to you i am expecting that you'll resteem my post so please here is my post link
https://steemit.com/life/@muhammaddin/we-are-going-to-organised-peace-intersect

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missioncontrol (44) · 7 years ago

I notice how you're doing EXACTLY what you're complaining about...

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

You do realize I spent more on this post that I'll likely earn, right? It's actually going into others pockets...so, piss off.

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quinneaker (74) · 7 years ago

hahahahaha fucking hater idiots don't realize shit.

Some see and appreciate. Unfortunately not nearly enough.

Keep it up

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missioncontrol (44) · 7 years ago

@berniesanders I don't support haejin, but I do think that whales are unsustainable. I think that this all needs to go: self-voting, whales, minnows, voting circles (etc.). This is essential for the health of the platform...

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thanskol (29) · 7 years ago

That was a really nice article.

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miguepersa (47) · 7 years ago

Let's watch how the world burns

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chicagochicago (41) · 7 years ago

This turf war is so strange. Can someone give me a brief summary of what is happening?

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karmapala (42) · 7 years ago

ha ha ha.
interesting enough this article, I really like it.
once again I want to laugh freely, this susana make me more self-forget, as if this is not the world.
😂😂😂😂

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din (42) · 7 years ago

as a little guy, what can I do ?

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jeffandhisguitar (66) · 7 years ago

Totally not fair man. I bust my balls writing my own music and shooting little travel vids for bugger all..... :(

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estadocida (34) · 7 years ago

i think most of us came to this platform with good intentions and quality content, the problem is, bots are not really sure what good intentions or quality content is. I think boycotting this type of erratic voting behavior is fair and should start now.

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ideasmachine (25) · 7 years ago

I am new to this, but I agree is there a way to just ban the usage of bots/automated scripts?

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bitcoinflood (77) · 7 years ago

Sadly this is where steemit breaks down. Even if you removed self voting I am sure it would not take long for someone to create a 2nd account and upvote their first account. Peoples greed gets the best of them. How would we even combat this though are their any solutions on the table?

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ceattlestretch (53) · 7 years ago

They’re doing that already

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cmoljoe (53) · 7 years ago

Solution goes beyond Steemit. People must stop being slavs of their ego like @haejin. This egomaniac flagged fundraiser for me to 0$. That shows everything about him!

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estadocida (34) · 7 years ago (edited)

the problem is not the greed, the problem is the greed not accompanied by the hassle, or the work. dude posts some copy+paste bs, multiple times, gamble on some and let the bots roll with it.

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emilclaudell (53) · 7 years ago

Can we put a max post limit a day? Would deter spammers and bots, and i'm sure most people would be happy with a set amount. It would reset in 24 hours. Maybe do something like votepower? The more you vote, the less of the payout goes to you? Something like that?

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reidlist (56) · 7 years ago

No one is making more than a couple to a few quality posts in a day, in my opinion. There just isn't enough time to put into if the posts actually contain good information.

kv151 (37) · 7 years ago

that would be helpful

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j4y (45) · 7 years ago

Why do people keep upvoting that guy? I don't get it.

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jassi (60) · 7 years ago

not people upvote his posts ,his bots upvote

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letmesee (41) · 7 years ago

He might be using bots but he has a lot of new users following him. It's actually only one person giving Haejin's post all of its value. If you remove him from the equation his post will usually max out around $100 dollars.

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j4y (45) · 7 years ago

Oh that is even worse than I expected. The steemit platform needs to eliminate these or they will suck the life out of the community.

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alxmuh (51) · 7 years ago

Yo guys, how about flag the shit out of this fucker haejin?(already flagged a few of his post, but I obviously cannot do it alone). If we will be able to pull coordinated attack against him, it should work. What do you think?

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taurus1983 (55) · 7 years ago

King Leonidas, who leads 300 Spartans into battle against the Persian "god-King" Xerxes and his invading army of more than 300,000 soldiers. As the battle rages, Queen Gorgo attempts to rally support in Sparta for her husband. source

Where is King Leonidas on Steemit for to kill @haejin (Persian "god-King" Xerxes)? :)

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torico (63) · 7 years ago

this post makes me really sad because i see so much judgment, pole up the butt self righteous ego, misunderstanding and anger over how to best solve the issue because no one can agree on what is causing the problem. we all know there is a problem. we dont know how to fix it. and the more we argue, the longer it goes on.

my thought is that part of the problem stems from the capitalist system where greed and control are the dominating forces. its being pushed on us by society and by politics and we in turn act it out. i think most of us are here because we want to escape that system, yet we are recreating it all over again.

it would be nice if everyone just gave up ego and said, yes, i am willing to sit down at the table and listen without judgment, for as long as it takes to come to an agreement. shelf the blame. i think we all know that abuse is rampant, yet as you all point fingers, the abuse continues.

if i personally could address the issue in some way, i would let go of being right about it, of having the one best answer, of being the victim. i would gather everyone to sit at that table as long as it took to have a discussion with no finger pointing.

because what is important is not being right, or in control, or soothing my ego. what is important is resolving the problem, and fuck ego and who is to blame. agree to talk as people who need to work together. please.

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crypto4iso (49) · 7 years ago

WEll said @torico !

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nickbrowe (35) · 7 years ago

What is your recommendation for how we should use this site? I think it's kinda like reddit.

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tiger1 (40) · 7 years ago

good post

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https://steemit.com/writing/@maxwell95/how-to-make-it-to-2019

maxwell95 (61) · 7 years ago

Did you know there are people who put so much effort and write really good content but get very little or no reward. Unfortunately its true.There's a post i wrote that took me the whole night to finish.Been 3 days but it rewards are less than $0.50. Gess thats how unfair is attyms.

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lopa (3) · 7 years ago

He's going down hard. Well deserved for spreading those lies costings new traders thousands of dollars who are easily influenced by he's "professional" looking TA

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scratcher (34) · 7 years ago

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adisons (43) · 7 years ago

hahaha. apa yang mereka lakukan?

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gre3n (58) · 7 years ago

Calls everyone cowards, makes at the time of this reply: $321.58. lol :)

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orrslaw (56) · 7 years ago

$3,000 now if the reward is 100% STEEM

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gre3n (58) · 7 years ago

lol over 1k now. This boggles my mind, but cool good for you.

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amos811 (56) · 7 years ago

Its hard for someone who has only been on Steem for 6 weeks to help against these power houses. I try and resteem and tell as many as I can.

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lopa (3) · 7 years ago

start flagging this piece of sht. He's made his fortune already selling us BS

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funbobby51 (59) · 7 years ago

who are these cowards specifically?

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#buy https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@mysearchisover/day-8-i-have-the-power-steem-supercryptocurrency

mysearchisover (70) · 7 years ago

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laxmikadariya (44) · 7 years ago

Some rules must be made against offensive post

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penderis (63) · 7 years ago

There is. It is called move along. As for abusing the systems resources and simple minded people, that is what this thread is discussing.

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muncilin (34) · 6 years ago

Ek lubo mandum

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supriyo (35) · 7 years ago

introduce negative reward system for misleading posts

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appreciator (66) · 7 years ago

This post has received gratitude of 10.95 % from @appreciator thanks to: @ngc.

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nazaruddin885 (42) · 7 years ago

Paintai yagang sangat indah
Siapapun pasti sangat menarik melihatnya

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grafiktr (52) · 7 years ago

Absolutely right

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marifer0212 (26) · 6 years ago

nature at maximum.

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jimeryl (51) · 7 years ago

Keep courage... behind your screen !

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bearbear613 (67) · 7 years ago

I thought there was an agreement and there would be peace. Is there a violation of what you agreed upon? Then that's REALLY not cool.

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jennshaggy (38) · 7 years ago

I’m new to Steemit, but I’m glad I read this. Really sheds some light on the inner-workings I’ve been trying to decipher.

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theghost1980 (69) · 7 years ago

Hi there. Thanks for sharing @berniesanders. Since I am in Steemit, I could see a lot of things going on. Many people stand on their opinions, thinking:
A. Steemit is a great platform that may change lives and gives opportunities to poor and unbanked people from many countries. (Mostly the less developed ones. I know because I live in one. I live in Venezuela).
B. A nice business model which allow the richer become even more rich and benefit not rich people to get some money(At least if they know what to do and how).

I cannot be radical by putting those 2 points of view as the ones. I know many people see Steemit as something else. I prefer to have only these 2 points of view. Somehow they can mix and make some kind of balance. Another thing I see here is that when someone writes about a problem, the readers want to see a solution. In most of the cases this is something like well, i can see the problem you are telling me about but, what is your solution?. I prefer to be more flexible because a social media cannot be a "One-way communication" system. So people can and it must, provide posible solutions within the commentary section.

So may I ask, what do you propose @berniesanders? I would love to hear about your solutions. Maybe, I could help too if I know what do you have in mind.

From my personal opinion, I could say this:

Take Steemit as a platform and learn how to monetise and benefit from your posts. As we can all see, @berniesanders is taking his personal benefit while pointing out a problem and this is perfectly fine and smart. This is why I would never stop saying than we all must understand the game in order to play accordingly.
Use the tools everyone else is using but in a smart way. I see many people accusing about voting bots. I see many others accusing and even down voting other while they are doing the same. What is the problem about promote your own content if any whale is just making money while publishing whatever they like?. I see many people wining a lot and I ask: who is promoting steemit around the world? who is making big marketing strategies in order to make steemit a massive platform?.I do not see any Steemit commercial in TV cable or even on the news?. I guess people is very busy while making money on steemit right? . So why people care about stupid things if we all know we will need people so the richer can become richer and the poor can get a bit of STEEM and SBD? I dare to say that please use your time wisely and bring more people here. Steemit has a lot of money for everyone SO? I repeat STEEMIT has money. Money we all are wining and getting just for publishing and voting. What is the problem then?. I can see the problem here is not about money. Ideas?

I cannot restrict someone else opinion. Steemit should be open to discuss and even to polemize. I have been here since January 2017. I hace started from zero(i mean as we all did, with a profile worthing no more tan $0.35) and now my profile is worth it more than $10,000. Still I am no more than a small fish within steemit. I play as smart as I can and I will continue this way until Steemit becomes massive or die.

STEEM ON.

PS: My main language is Spanish so, many mistakes have been done within my special english grammar.

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josmart (41) · 7 years ago (edited)

Muy interesante!!

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ikramullah (6) · 7 years ago

Patient bro

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noorijaz (46) · 7 years ago

speechless ,i have no words to say,you write super,i like your post so much .best of luck

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upme (49) · 7 years ago

You got a 6.69% upvote from @upme requested by: @bittrex.
Send at least 2.5 SBD to @upme with a post link in the memo field to receive upvote next round.
To support our activity, please vote for my master @suggeelson, as a STEEM Witness

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khaidiral (45) · 7 years ago

vote me please!!!

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edmundang (48) · 7 years ago

When there is good there is evil. How else can we prove what we do is right? I’ll upvote you and mind my own business working on my blog. Good Luck😊

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