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double-u (71) · 4 years ago (edited)

Hi @steemchiller,
auch mich interessiert deine Antwort auf die Frage von @bil.prag.
Wirst du die Frage noch beantworten?

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https://steemit.com/steem/@steemchiller/qar0fm

steemchiller (74) · 4 years ago

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condeas (62) · 4 years ago (edited)

@steemchiller, warum beantwortest Du oder irgend ein anderer Witnesses nicht die Frage von @bil.prag.
Da Du (Ihr) den neuen Code ausführt, solltet Ihr (Du) auch wissen warum!

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2 votes

steemchiller (74) · 4 years ago

The list was carefully created by our security team. I currently don't know the exact reason for blocking the 'mottler' account, but I guess it's a ninja mined account with connection to other abusive accounts.

I will let you know when I have more details ;)

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moeknows (60) · 4 years ago

Shouldn't you have known the details before you voted on the HF? For someone who previously stated, they would "...never support any fork to freeze funds..." of anybody, one would think that you would take such a matter very seriously.

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steemchiller (74) · 4 years ago (edited)

At that time I didn't know yet that they would really consider to destroy this blockchain. Without a functioning Steem blockchain there is no steemchiller, so he needed to act accordingly.

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flugschwein (60) · 4 years ago

Hey @steemshiller, it seems you don't know what "never" means.
I guess it's just that principles don't mean anything when you get a stinc vote and the all witness money.
I can just say I am very, very deeply disappointed by your actions.

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4 votes

moeknows (60) · 4 years ago

So you're saying, knowing what you know now, that freezing funds is OK when necessary to protect the blockchain? I find such a sentiment to be rather familiar. Perhaps because that's what the initial group expressed when they implemented SF 22.2. While I didn't agree with their actions at the time, I did understand why they did it. They feared that Sun would come in and take over the blockchain. It turns out those fears were well founded as that is what has happened and what continues to happen to this day. You yourself have been both victim to and beneficiary of this.

All that being said, there was never a need to steal funds, ever. If you really wanted the threat gone, you could have just given them their stake liquid, although even that would have been unfair for everybody else. Then again, fairness didn't seem to play much of a role in the decision making process for you guys. You can't call it a community account unless you give the community equal access to the account.

The truth is, those accounts didn't pose much of a threat to Steem going forward, especially with a 4-week power down. This was about retribution...retribution for actions that happened another chain. It's like if someone did something wrong on Tron (or youtube) and you punished them on Steem. It was childish and vindictive.

The bottom line is that you helped to steal funds when you said you wouldn't. It's disappointing to me, and I'm sure on some level to you too.

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bil.prag (68) · 4 years ago

please do. as i looked at all his accounts and did not find any transaction that would show any connection to any old witness.
would be interesting to see what did security team say.

and as you do that, ask about roundbeargame to. because he was a small account that was a bit to vocal about what is going on, but i am sure that he had nothing to do with hive, nor he could do anything with his few thousend steem that he owned.

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steemchiller (74) · 4 years ago (edited)

Here is the response from our security team:

There was (insider) info that this ninja-mined account belongs to one of the hive witnesses (who also ninja-mined with other accounts) and attacked the steem blockchain. That is why it was initially included.

However, the blockchain record itself does not show any direct evidence, so the community decision based on SPS may return the stake.

As I stated earlier, the confiscated funds are not in the community account to enrich ourselves. Some people from Hive again and again try to make others believe in their false claims, but this does not make those more true.

There are already discussions happening about how to proceed from here on. If someone thinks that he should not be in that list, the community can decide to return his funds anytime.

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bil.prag (68) · 4 years ago

the blockchain record itself does not show any direct evidence

it does not show any direct or indirect evidence. so it was done on a rumor about an anonymous miner from 4 years ago.

by community you mean @dev365? if everyone currently holding steem on the blockchain voted for SPS, would they be able to outvote steemit (justin)?

what was the reasoning for moving funds in an private account purposefully created anonymously? you could created an account. you could have move it to SPS. why liquid?

also why roundbeargames got his steem taken? he was vocal about korean community and justin sun, but he had nothing to do with hive, did not spam, amount of steem he had was funny to be any threat to steem. he was on the list just because he was not liked by korean leaders.

You must understand, there is no transparency in this actions, there is no info. A lot of things are done, to put it mildly, shady. New witnesses that pop up few hours before the HF, voted in by steemit, as steemit claims they have nothing to do with the HF.
Witnesses playing dead for all the questions. you are the only witness that had a decency to even write a comment.

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2 votes

moeknows (60) · 4 years ago

Some people from Hive again and again try to make others believe in their false claims, but this does not make those more true.

Simply calling them false claims also does not make them false. It's important that questions be answered even when they come from those who may hold an opposing viewpoint.

If the SPS is to be the means by which the funds may be returned, then why not put the funds into the SPS? Why have they been transferred as liquid to a separate account? Secondly, if you were open to instantly liquidating their funds, then why not simply do that and give it to them...and ask/tell them to leave. I have often seen witnesses express a desire for Steem to be left alone by those who wish to only be in Hive. By stealing the funds, you almost guarantee retailiation. This isn't good for Steem.

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steemchiller (74) · 4 years ago

If the SPS is to be the means by which the funds may be returned, then why not put the funds into the SPS? Why have they been transferred as liquid to a separate account?

I don't think that those funds belong to the SPS, which is a community account for paying developers and promising projects for the Steem blockchain. By separating the accounts it's currently ensured that they can't be used spontaneously for other purposes (as you might know, the transfer operation is now blocked for that account).

Of course, the SPS can still be used to propose returning the funds for one or more accounts at the same time in one proposal. If the major stakeholders agree that funds should be returned, the community will make it happen.

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6 votes

moeknows (60) · 4 years ago

as you might know, the transfer operation is now blocked for that account).

I do know now, but why wasn't it that way before? Can you understand why that would make one skeptical? I still think we, Steem, would be better off if you simply gave those accounts the liquid and asked them to leave...even if you did it on some kind of timeline to not flood the market. You should speak to your fellow witnesses and start digging us out of this quagmire you've gotten us into.

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steem-supporter (65) · 4 years ago

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bil.prag (68) · 4 years ago

this articulated answer from steem witness brings full confidence that everything is fine on the steem blockchain.

if we were kidding. looks like stealing half of a million dollars from an inactive account is perfectly fine on steem blockchain now.

looks like you did not steal the image of this cute dog, so that is a progres.

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