說在前頭
冷髮醫生日前發了篇「写在Steemit倒闭之前」。標題黨,不可取;標題唱衰本社區,不可取;標題觸本人這輩子保持上萬SP承諾的霉頭,尤不可取!
但我還是點讚了,為什麼,只因為我支持任何認真的思考(不是標題),而且這社區已經有太多歌功頌德、幣上月球之類的妖孽胡言了,來點反面思考,挺好的!畢竟,唱多者再唱也唱不成真調,看壞者也沒法真能阻礙,如果這社區真的是前景璀璨、頭好壯壯 ...
談錢沒有不對,談錢沒有不好。但就如我之前寫過的文章,Steem就是因為「談錢」才有價值的。但問題在於如果這裡的人都「只」談錢,那這就是一個沒有未來的地方。
偉大的東西,永久的東西,都是既實際又動人的。實際,必須得「談錢」;動人,必須「不只」談錢。說說例子,Steve Jobs的Apple賺不賺錢?談不談錢?賺!談!但Apple也同時有其打動人心、改變人類社會的精神內涵。好萊塢談不談錢?談得可多可大了!但好萊塢能夠大賺錢,跟其戮力向世界推銷美國精神有很大關係。不管你認不認同美國精神,但它感動世界上無數人是不爭的事實。
說到這還沒進入重點。我也來談談我眼中的Steem價值。
首先我先介紹兩篇最近的文章,會跟以下論述有點關係。
第一篇是 @donkeypong的文章(社區重要人物),在這篇裡他主要是提到他過去跟全球各地的人共同發展Steem的經驗與感想,裡頭還大大表揚了甜心妹妹,實在是CN之光哪!第二篇是超級新魚 @tradealert的文章,他的文章都是談虛擬幣的交易與分析,簡潔明白,有理有據,連我這種笨蛋都看得懂八成。在我的建議下(我大概是他最主要的點讚者,大家也多多支持吧!),他最近寫了篇關於Steem幣的分析,內容很棒的,不管你同不同意他的分析。兩篇都在我的resteem裡,但我先列於這裡:
Reflections and Tips for International Steemit Members and Growth Communities [下稱DON文]
STEEM: Trading strategies and Price predictions [下稱TA文]
我如果不看好Steem,我不會還在這裡,還宣誓永久保萬不賣。但與此同時,我如果極度看好「目前」發展,我不會在文章裡都有隱含的批評。所有的事物,都在辯證的過程當中,逐漸形成當前現況。你去想想Facebook在電影裡演的初創時期,恐怕其批評遠遠比這邊的大上許多吧?我們既不能以現況論斷未來,也不能以概念掩蓋現實的缺陷。
因此,以下我用正反面觀點來呈現我的觀點,以便讓你無法搞清楚。
先說負面好了。
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@coldhair文章裡所說的沒有形成良性價值循環是對的,目前都是寫作者在「撈」投資者的錢,也大致是對的。但這個批評沒有說得太到位。重點不是現在,是未來。Ned半年前就已經提出Attention Economy是Steem要追求的模式,問題是目前都還沒有實現-Curator主要是為了點讚收入去點文章的,所以Author透過Curator之手,拿到Investor的錢。這裡面沒有Attention的變現過程。未來呢?至少我從2017 Roadmap裡面,也看不到太明確的關於這一點的發展。如果Steem還有未來,這問題必然在穩定的時期要得到解決,但目前,還不一定得要。
第二個負面觀點,也是針對現況。可以看TA文章,最近幾個月Steem價格上漲,其實是因為Altcoins跟著Bitcoin的上漲而全面起飛,Steem上漲,獎勵池擴大,新用戶快速增加,這才是真正的故事。並不是成長帶來幣價的上揚。所以如果你說去拉朋友來促進社區發展,抱歉,長期也許,短期來說,只是來分糧食的。哪位新用戶投資買Steem的請舉手?我想是很少的。當然這樣說不代表我反對你們找朋友來,所有人都歡迎的!但同樣地,這一點也不致命,因為幣價波動是短期的,幣價長線趨勢,還是得看商業模式的。
糟糕,這兩點負面觀點,似乎都暴露出我的反串意圖了...
此外,也反駁一下關於Steem這鏈會不會停止這件事。我認為這鏈停掉的機會很小的。首先,Steemit與Steem區塊鏈要分開看。Steemit公司倒閉,不代表Steem區塊鏈消失,但當然代表Steem鏈會受到很大衝擊。可是必然會有人接手的。因為Steem blockchain都是open source,每個人都可以來玩,到時候說不定O小嬸一舉統一天下,成為炒雞大戶(大大神),因為Steem價格跌到炒雞慘,O大大神帳戶總值也只有一千刀之類的...
但總是有人會想來繼續當見證人的!因為這鏈上既有的資料不是資料哪!是全球五大洲八大洋的各路懂加密貨幣的糕雞人類所構成的人網哪!這可有價值了吧?你願意花多少錢成為能夠決定這社區遊戲規則的人呢?只怕不少的... 所以,我毫不擔心Steem區塊鏈會停止。[O大神你備著點糧草吧,咱到時改名為Laodr-coin,不,DO-Coin,錯了錯了,是Od-Coin!看我小寫表示尊敬您炒雞大神哪!]
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正面觀點哪,那可多了。讓我挑挑重點。
Steem as a Cryptocurreny
先看看DON文,裡面提了不少,例如發展中國家、或是婦女族群,這都是Steem可能比Bitcoin有優勢的地方。這裡當然要先說說很多人都已經知道的,Steem,身為Bitshares石墨烯家族,所擁有的3秒快速確認、用戶名即公鑰/錢包地址、透明訊息等等諸多技術面的優勢。這我只是略懂,很多東西你可以去研究的。所以,就Steem身為一種加密貨幣這點來說,其實就夠有價值了!前面說的bitcoin與Steem價格上漲相關,其實多半也是這樣,人家買Steem可能是因為想要diversifiy對於bitcoin的投資,哪裡管你Steem葫蘆裡賣什麼!而bitcoin尚未普及的地方,如前所述,Steem就有機會,佔得先機,但當然得要Steem ecosystem能夠快速把支付與交易相關的部分做好才行!
Steem as a Cryptocurrency that can SPEAK!
其次,跟前一點也相關,也是Steem最大最大能夠與其他加密貨幣相區隔的特色就是-Steem是一個區塊鏈內建內容機制的貨幣!你可能說,啊這有什麼?我們不就是來這裡寫blog嗎?是,寫blog不稀奇。cryptocurrecy也不稀奇(幾千種了都),但這兩個合在一起,又是市場先行者(後面那些追兵我就不一一列舉了),這,就是極大的優勢。更由於DPOS(儘管有許多缺點),後面想好好改改,應該也不是太難。
很多幣有自己的blog、forum、slack...等等,但是那些都不是區塊鏈的一部分,更不是文字有利可圖的區塊鏈的一部分。你錢包密碼忘了,可以找朋友(話說你其他幣能自然產生朋友嗎?)幫你跟dan說說,說不定還可以幫你重設。你在淘寶遇到問題,99.999999%馬雲不會看到。在Steem很有機會,因為你天生就有發話的管道。
會說話的幣,能不紅嗎?
會說話的幣,能不紅嗎?
這一點還可以衍生出來另一個論點,聽起來就更偉大了!但讓我賣賣關子吧(該不會我其他地方早就說過了)...
以上的正反面觀點,跟各位分享,也歡迎指教。沒有標準答案,一切的真理,都是主觀的。
自首無罪,我也過過標題黨的癮!飛不飛,問帳號裡有飛的人,我可不敢打包票的喔!
平衡一下,Steem to 1 Cent!
[English Summary]
[English Summary]
In this post, I express my view on Steem's future by listing two contrary thoughts. First, the negative one - Steem hasn't developed enough to capture the attention economy as Ned described so far. The money earned by authors are from investors, investors that are brought about by the bitcoin price surge mainly! (see @tradealert 's recent good analysis on Steem) I also explain that I don't think the Steem blockchain will ever cease to exist as even Steem price falls to nearly zero, there will always be someone out there who wants to dictate how the blockchain can develop with a small enough cost. After all, this chain contains not only some useless blogger articles, it has the best mix of crypto familiar elites from the whole world on it! Gee, am I still talking about negative opinions?
Secondly, the positive one. I mention that Steem as a cryptocurrency suffices to a lot of great opportunities, not to mention a lot of technical advantages from the Graphene family. @donkeypong's recent article covers a lot of great perspectives. Furthermore, I stress that a cryptocurrecy that can SPEAK is the most unique feature of our beloved coin. Every coin owner can speak freely to anyone and every narrator will be a coin owner. How great is that? You just don't know it yet.
The eagle will fly. We just don't know when.
images - pixabay. one with author's modification.
感謝劉老師關注我的文章,還寫了這么深入的分析,cn區有這樣的討論氛圍,感到特別興奮、激動,貌似我的第二春又來了,哈哈
從本文中我又學習到Steem的新知識,例如,Steem單獨作為虛假幣的獨特優勢,用戶名做為錢包地址,確實降低了用戶門檻。
我上篇文章并非要喝衰Steem,其實我對Steem的未來報有很大希望。事實上我是恰恰是那些少數花錢充幣的人,前后充值了大約26000元人民幣,基本都是高價位入的,自從來到Steem,我從未變現過一分錢,全部Power up了,主要是也沒賺到什么錢,哈哈
寫《寫在Steemit倒閉之前》一文的目的,一是,表達了我對Steem未來的憂慮,它到底會形成什么樣的價值循環呢?很想得到答案。在已知的信息中,Attention Economy是個不錯的解釋,如你本文所言,在Map和白皮書中中也是語焉不詳。二是,希望用戶更努力地思考,更努力地寫作,為Steem創造更多的價值。
至于Steem鏈會不會停掉,短期看確實可能小極小,有價值在,不止O嬸,人人都翹首盼著接手它,若沒有了價值,不會有人因為情懷去維持這條鏈,即便為了情懷也持續不久。至于我們現在所看到的或預見的價值,在未來還是不是價值,或者在未來是否還被視為價值,仍難以下定論。
一句話,可預見的未來,Steem停掉可能性極小,遙遠的未來,一定會停掉的。我們的子孫會可能保存下一個完整的節點,做為歷史的見證,那就不是Steem鏈了。
雖然被劉老師點名批評了,我也點贊了,哈哈
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那車牌真夠酷的 LOL
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來吧,讓你當個御前帶刀護衛如何?咱們一起開始唱衰Steem,最後一統江湖吧?LOL
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我怕還未統一江湖就先給踩死了,所以才要我來當吧? @@
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你不錯!我們會照顧好你的家人的... 你就安心地護衛吧.... (菸~~~~~)
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Steemit最好的一点就是,降低了加密货币市场的门槛,任何人只要你会用互联网就可以拥有自己的加密货币,这点非常可贵,对加密货币的普及意义很大。我也是来steemit以后才慢慢对加密货币区块链感兴趣,现在也会去比特币区读一些有意思的文章,相信很多人也是这样的。
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見地。
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刘老师居然认识这么深,不错。可能中国大陆用户觉得以后可能不可访问,所以唱衰?我本人比较看好steem,那就玩呗。
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"居然"?是因為我人美所以應該無腦嗎?好吧,那這理由我就接受了....
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保万党路过
Steem 如何发展,要靠大家共同努力💪
社区很多大神都在踏踏实实的做事情
比如说作为见证人为大家服务、或者为steem 代码库贡献代码
或者提供各式各样,诸如steemdata这类服务等等
以及各路大神为steem 发展出谋划策,举例说,现在的线性回报,就是讨论了好久的结果
或者这些事情离我们太遥远,或者我们能力有限无法参与
那至少我们可以尽自己的微薄之力,贡献一些有价值的内容
又或者说,能力实在有限,产生不了太有价值的内容
但是别祸害steem 就好啦
呃,我不是说刘老师的内容是垃圾,是祸害steem
别往我身上丢鸡蛋🥚
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呵呵,回收鸡蛋的路过。
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你不是要安安靜靜嗎?怎麼又來收雞蛋啦?:)
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为了能够安安静静的出钱。也得赚钱不是。哈哈。
刘老师用微信吗?土木最近建了个群。没看到老师你呢
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唉呀,我寫文章時間都不太夠了,最近太忙,連這事都不知道呢... 先擱著吧,我連老群的訊息都沒太看了呢...
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😄都碎了,也回收嘛?
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誰敢扔雞蛋!?來啊!快保駕未來的Od-coin大大神!
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護衛來保駕了。
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好險妹紙現在都秉持著,在這個社區開心寫文章、分享自己、看看別人,我覺得在steemit這個平台最大寶藏是在於認識各位! :D
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Thanks for linking my article @deanliu!
I like your idea to present two contradicting opinions, shows maturity and understanding that nothing is sure in these markets. I agree however that Steem is here to stay, unlike 99% of altcoins, it DOES have real-life value. For my part I don't think Steem's growth in popularity has translated into visible price action in the charts though, but time will tell as always.
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我在 @coldhair 的贴下也留言讨论这个话题(话说 steemit 这个 blog 格式的确不利于集中讨论,chainbb 应该好一些吧)。你这篇文章里面同样没有谈到 steemit.com 的收入到底从哪里来,它的月收入能否支撑 Steem 持续不断地扩大发展,所以我觉得有必要继续深挖这个话题:
Steemit.com 作为主入口,hosting 和 traffic 都是要付钱的。和门户入口相比之下,运作 witness 的成本会小得多。
你说“Steemit公司倒閉,不代表Steem區塊鏈消失...必然會有人接手的”,我觉得这里论据不足。一个做到后来持续亏钱的生意谁愿意接手?除非它有真正挣钱的潜力,那么这个能挣钱的盈利模式到底应该是什么?
Cryptocurrency based content community 的确是新概念,Steemit 也因此成功 ICO 融到了钱,这方面比一个普通起步公司的 A 轮 B 轮快多了。但如果我们仅从运作内容为主的社区的角度,技术上和传统的模式比,其实优势并不明显,甚至某些方面有劣势,比如 DPOS 和传统的数据库比,transaction 的速率有量级的差别,它的好处是公开透明,作为用户我也很欣赏这点,但同样不能忽视它的弱点。
如果谈 attention economy,哪一个做内容的社区不是这样的呢?Medium.com 目前该比 steemit 的社区做得成功很多吧,同样面临盈利模式的困局。
如果谈 micro-payment,目前是付给用户,做得好也能吸引高质量的作者和内容。但是否能持续?毕竟连不给作者付钱的 Medium.com 都还在挣扎呢。
我能想到的方案,要么回到广告的老路上去,要么引导用户为内容付费。而且我认为 cryptocurrency 的优势似乎已经被 ICO 消费掉了,剩下来的还是传统内容社区的骨架,如果不好好利用 STEEM 的货币基因培养付费习惯,的确是有点浪费了。
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謝謝你長篇回覆。但有些事可能得多學習再來評論。例如Steem沒有ICO,Steemit公司跟Steem區塊鏈不直接相關等基本觀念...
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Steemit 公司是 steem 区块链的 major SP holder,没错吧?根据 DPOS 算法,分到的增发货币也是最多的,不是吗?
的确 Steemit 公司 launch Steem 的时候宣称是不做 ICO,不过早期发生的这些事情,我认为和 ICO 没差别。当然我本人也不反对创始人有本事 ICO 拿钱,所以我的重点还是探讨基于 Steem 的商业模式是否可持续。望赐教!
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等我有空會繼續寫這方面的討論的。
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我想你这里的“养成付费习惯” 是否是指现在的点在是“免费的”?
这是我的看法Steem 前路在哪,如何打破流量思维的诅咒?
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各打二十大板,打出个未来!
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沒現提過steem,先拿好,還想繼續養我的小畫室啊😣
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it will soar high... at the right time... we should patiently wait... until it come to its greatness...
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谢谢刘老师这篇好文。我从未怀疑过steem的设计理念也相信这种理念一定最终会成功。但这会是一个漫长的过程,也需要出色的运作模式才能实现。想想当年Borland 公司有着惊采绝艳的软件设计师,有着出色的产品, 但borland这个名字最终还是消失了。Steem/steemit还有很长的路要走,也还需要大家的共同努力。
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我在@coldhair的文章中提過,在STEEM之上未出現所謂Killer Applications 之前,我認為STEEM的前景還是危險的。至於「殺手」會是什麼,我斗膽的說句,個人不認為是靠內容價值帶起STEEM價錢。試想想整個STEEM社群中,能有多少個@sweetsssj 和劉美女!就算多一百個甜心和劉美女,是不是旅遊,美食,飲飲茶,就能支撐和發展STEEM?
我估計STEEM要發展,就只可以改變sbd和STEEM的使用方式,令其更容易使用。而且要令SBD/STEEM成為可直接用來做日常生活中付款的貨幣,就像BTC現在已經可以在日本零售上使用,那怕是在手遊中互相買賣虛寶,那怕只是在UberEAT叫個pizza,有了這些應用,STEEM才有機會走向大眾,並健康發展。
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你過獎了,可能是斗膽後得壯膽才這麼說的... LOL... 不過份地說,Steem上面,中英文都是,頂級blogger能跟外面比?你若以為yes.. 那就要再去多看看了。文章,攝影,藝術... 免費供稿的,品質甚至比這裡高多了的... 所在多有哪!切莫自滿或自以為厲害的... 我們都是幸運,幸運於,得利於這新世界的先行者。No more, no less...
所以,好好學習,賺一點是一點... My 2 Cents (這詞也是這裡學的)
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對的,好好學習!多謝劉美人指導!
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好詳細的分析!感謝分享:):) 看完之後我還是對Steemit有信心的。作為一個social media來說它做的比FB好,因為它讓人有動力創作高素質的文章,得到更多人的賞識。不過Steem and sbd方面,的確還要做更多的努力。我對這方面的知識還不足,但我會努力學習的:)💪祝願Steemit騰飛!
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其實它的Social部分並不好的,Social Media不需要太高素質文章,需要的是用戶黏著度... 目前黏著劑是....
還能有什麼... 就是錢囉.... 我是說主要...
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也對哦......FB上面的人通常是身邊的人~嘿嘿,沒錯,$真的在Steemit扮演了重要的角色哦;pp 不過我相信我們都是寫blog樂在其中的哦>V<
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劉教主提出很有爭議性的問題!實際有真實而不失去希望啊。到底出了bitcoin 幣值漲勢意外到底錢還可以怎麼來? 我覺得cryptocurrency 的理念是很好的,像共產主義烏托邦一樣。實際很重要啊,像美國佬就最實際!跟大陸利益勾搭,就把臺灣賣了。
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我不是教主。我沒提出問題。內容具有爭議性?見仁見智。我怎麼覺得您沒有好好看文章就急著評論啊... 呵呵呵....
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意思說欣賞你深度的洞悉。我志在參與,支持,給予 'attention' 哈哈哈
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看了兩次,感覺正反面都有點道理,不過還是覺得Steemit會發展得很好,我還是努力寫文章。劉老師,有空看看我畫的作品🙈
https://steemit.com/art/@krischy/learn-to-draw-with-kristy-street-fighter-ryu-kristy
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我玩兩面手法,你也玩啊?:D... 一般叫我去點無關帖子的我都是不理的。這次也是。但不幸的是,你留言前我早就點了....
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Am sure that the steem block chain will continue in leaps and bounds in the coming years :)
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我也看好steemit,即使有不足,好好改就是了。
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新生事物,可能倒闭也可能腾飞,风险大收益也大。看了两位的帖子很受教。这是个大浪淘沙的过程,留下来的都是金子。
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学习了,看哥的文章要慢慢品。
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They need to start posting bounties again.
That steemit account isn't there just to look pretty.
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yeah, agree. so many things they should be doing, but seems pretty quite lately.
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I agree.
Thanks for inspiring me to write a post.
Sorry I forgot to upvote this lol.
Fixed that.
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我以為我看錯 @oflyhigh 的車牌,double take 原來真是 O 哥哥的哈哈。
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Steemit 已成生活一部分 我相信它未来的发展
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我也看好steemit,我也要成为万steem户
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赞。呼叫 O哥 @oflyhigh
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安安静静在社区待着,有钱出钱,有文撰文。
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Nice post. Upvoted and following you. Please do the same for me. Thank you.
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Money is not everything in life, but I want to make money, please teach me how to make writing in steem
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eagle is a very high fly all bride
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good job @deanliu
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主人自己,我很久以来就从你那里听到,请你们这个我的帖子请你们这个https://steemit.com/ilovemyangeles/@chuxlouis/les-filles-sont-les-dieux-divine-bon-cadeau -havenlyi为我的宝贝女孩做了,如果你可以为我重新安排,我会非常高兴地感谢你提前...... @ chuxlouis。
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WTF are you doing?
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Upvoted and RESTEEMED!
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Eagle looks like having integrity! I love it!
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waw,,,, amazing....
please follow me,, im follow you
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amazing post dear
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Hi steemit friend, very good !!!!!
You would help me with a vote in my post., Thanks !!! ;)
Follow me @princessexi
ayo kita berkarya dan sukses bersama. jangan lupa bahagia @princessexi
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thanks
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寫得真好 清楚簡單直接
我是新加入的 有人可以follow跟upvote我嗎
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Nothing is for free. Simple.
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nice post @deanliu
I have Upvoted and Sent you a tip Follow me @sitara12511
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Nice pictures and real action in pictures. @naz722
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Picture macro birds, i like that @deanliu
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hello,your launge is no understand, but I like it
and upvoted
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I got tired of Googling crypto prices, opening 10 tabs from 10 exchanges or installing apps that take up 100 MB on my iPhone and do the same thing so I came up with a solution to our common problem, hopefully you'll find the solution useful
https://steemit.com/bots/@steemboy/how-i-track-cryptocurrency-without-apps-websites-and-google
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please vote
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good pict @deanliu , should know, technical ways of pengambilang the Eagle is like what, what lens to use,,,,,
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