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krnel (78) · 5 years ago

Hive didn't give him an airdrop like everyone else.

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pfunk (72) · 5 years ago (edited)

Actually because he got some insider information, most likely, and unvoted just before the Hive announcement (but not before witnesses were running finalized code) his stake's exclusion from the Hive airdrop is being treated as a mistake.

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eirik (69) · 5 years ago

He can make a proposal and get it this way. I am sure a lot of people will accept this proposal, @steemchiller is a good dude.

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krnel (78) · 5 years ago

Then he should do that :)

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nonameslefttouse (74) · 5 years ago (edited)

That exclusion list was never to be interpreted as a 'final decision' and those on the list can appeal. Many would have been approved. It just doesn't make sense to fork a chain and include the hostile takeover elements from the previous chain, because that would make the new chain pointless, since the new chain only exists to get away from the hostile takeover. It's common sense. Those excluded just needed to be patient and professional while things get sorted out.

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3 votes

hone.heke (51) · 5 years ago

It just doesn't make sense to fork a chain and include the hostile takeover elements from the previous chain

But if we use that argument does it not also justify this recent fork and fucking with people accounts?
There has been a great outpouring of hostility on the steem blockchain by the initiators of Hive.

carlgnash (69) · 5 years ago

no not really because the accounts frozen had already (for weeks) disabled their witnesses. There was no threat to Steem here, this softfork is clearly just petty retribution by idiots who cannot see the consequences that will come for their actions.

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1 vote

nonameslefttouse (74) · 5 years ago

Are they not allowed to use Bitcoin because they have accounts on Hive?

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hone.heke (51) · 5 years ago

The point you were making was justifying forking out hostile accounts and depriving them of funds.
I dont think that can be justified ether here or anywhere. My point was that if you justify it in one place for whatever reason you justify it everywhere, even here and I dont want that to be justifiable.
And I am sure you dont want that ether

nonameslefttouse (74) · 5 years ago

Those accounts were not forked out. Stick to the facts please and apply logic. Anyone who did not receive the airdrop still has full control of their account on Hive and they're free to use it as they see fit. If they were excluded from the airdrop, they can appeal. Only the accounts actively participating in strengthening a Sybil attack on Steem were excluded. You cannot include that attack on a new chain if your intent is to create a new chain to get away from said Sybil attack. Pretty basic common sense here and with the appeal process, it was handled professionally. It wasn't just a handful of accounts selected out of spite.

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6 votes

neoxian (70) · 5 years ago

Stop making so much sense.

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5 votes

nonameslefttouse (74) · 5 years ago (edited)

Okay so there's an elephant smoking a cigarette and I feel like dancing.

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1 vote

chromiumone (62) · 5 years ago

INR lol
He's making total sense.... Almost a scary amount of sense =)

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hone.heke (51) · 5 years ago

Thanks for the reply, it is greatly appreciated.
You said that really well btw

kus-knee (74) · 5 years ago

Good points!

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okean123 (65) · 5 years ago

But if we use that argument does it not also justify this recent fork and fucking with people accounts?

No. The difference is that the people now milking Steem do not threaten the security of the chain. Those people that voted for Sun actively supported centralization and non-functionality of the chain and the other things that Sun promised, like moving Steem dApps to Tron or moving the coin itself to Tron.

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hone.heke (51) · 5 years ago (edited)

the people now milking Steem do not threaten the security of the chain.

If that is all they were doing nobody would care.
I have spent a lot of time looking at the actions of the accounts concerned and others not mentioned.
I would guess the main objection would be the voting of witnesses then removing the votes a few days later, taking people in and out of the top twenty at will. It is amusing but it also creates instability. I am not sure if their efforts were coordinated but it is possible I guess.
I notice that not all accounts behaving in that manner were targeted. Lucky them.
And I think some who were NOT doing that were targeted. Not good

okean123 (65) · 5 years ago

I'm not sure if we are talking about the same people. With the people milking Steem I mean people who just post to earn as many rewards as possible and then sell them. I am myself doing this in the MILK communtiy.

I would guess the main objection would be the voting of witnesses then removing the votes a few days later

This is what Sun is doing. Only he has the power to remove or add top witnesses at will.

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krnel (78) · 5 years ago

Great, I don't see why he hasn't appealed... guess a bad taste in mouth from being on it int he first place.

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nonameslefttouse (74) · 5 years ago

Those feelings are common I see, but unnecessary. Nobody was singled out. The code simply looked at where votes where placed, then excluded those accounts based on the simple fact those accounts at the time were contributing to strengthening a Sybil attack. It had nothing to do with politics or beliefs or any of that nonsense.

I was initially excluded from the Palnet airdrop. My account didn't qualify due to the criteria placed in the code(I was inactive for a time, but had returned), but that code didn't mean someone could look and see that I was in fact active, so I remained calm and waited patiently. Eventually got added. I saw others freaking out, taking it personally, insulting people, writing slanderous posts. Of course some of those folks were not added to the list. That's how the world works I guess.

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drakos (70) · 5 years ago

He was against Hive and was supporting the sock puppets. Why should he get air dropped?

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steemchiller (74) · 5 years ago

There you have it. Same witnesses, same shit as before.

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14 votes

empoderat (64) · 5 years ago

I respect a lot @drakos, but I'm sure he agree that IF the consensus is that you (& others) should receive HIVE coins, you'll receive it. Otherwise you have a tyranny here.

You obviously don't have a 100% guarantee (I personally would say a 50-60%; but will be less surely if the time passes).

At mid february I thought that JS was a good thing for steem, I was mistaken obviously. It's bad for steem, but good for hive.

regards

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butcherbox (29) · 5 years ago

This Steem/Hive thing is only bad for both. Hive trading volume is shit, because the only ones buying are Steemians hoping it will work. In reality there are now two communities that are both much smaller than Steem was. You can say the whole community switched to Hive, but it is simply untrue.

A lot of people will never go to Hive, and it will be an uphill battle to gain new users since Steem struggled to do that before. This whole battle is only bad for both communities long term, and is good for clever traders short term.

The smart people know the cost in time and money to rebrand is costly, that's why guys like jrcornel speak politely about Hive but sell Hive for STEEM. You can check, he's powering up SP while powering down HP. Its just logical investing. Steem has years of brand recognition that is not forkable and will cost a shit ton of money and effort to achieve again. In all likelihood, Hive will be in the same boat as whaleshares next year.

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4 votes

skramatters (66) · 5 years ago

This

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ew-and-patterns (70) · 5 years ago

Not everybody is going to agree to give you the coins, sure.
But who cares. The community decides, not drakos or any other guy.

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joelsegovia (65) · 5 years ago

I really respect you for the work you have done and for your firm stance in what you believe, but on your posts you have had an enormous Prof of the support you have from 90% of the community... On this post you have plenty of comments of people supporting you and hoping you can como with us to the other platform... But you choose to pay attention to this one single man who speaks against it? It doesn't make much sense to me... Besides, wherever we go there will always be trolls and I'll intended fellows.

Either way, hopefully you can do whatever seems right according to your values and move on. This episode should serve to earn more wisdom to all of us...

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