Is shadow banning a thing on steemit?

in steem •  5 years ago 

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Of course it is, there is a whole list.
Redeemers Irredeemables

But that is outright abuse mitigation.
Not all bad.

This, however, seems to be malicious.
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Here is the link:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@freebornangel/why-you-shouldn-t-support-the-whalevoters-and-gangs

Here is the body and title of the post:

Why you shouldn't support the whalevoters and gangs.

When a whale votes, everybody else's vote loses power.

If a whale votes with enough sp to take up 10% of the votes cast on any given day, that 10% comes at the cost of everybody else that voted.

The only way to spread the math out is if the very largest whales don't vote.

If you join one of the gangs to be better rewarded what eventually happens is only gang members get rewards.

Did you notice the drop off in rewards when they came on the scene?  I did.


If you are gonna delegate sp to somebody, pick somebody you like and delegate it to them.

If your posts are not getting rewarded, work harder, or longer.

When you buy votes from the whales all you are doing is making them even more powerful, if they voted their full weight our votes are diminished in proportion.

They can literally suck up the pool in such a way that nobody continues to play.


If only one minnow votes, the entire reward pool goes to that vote.

If a minnow votes and a whale votes each vote is given weight in proportion to the sp balances of the voters.

So, if the whale votes 89% of the sp in the pool then the minnow's vote is 11%

You can see how quickly the largest whales voting causes their influence to overwhelm the minnows'.

This is the same math that occurs when you join in the gangs, when they vote enough sp the minnows at the bottom of the influence ladder get knocked off.

Personally I am looking forward to the day that all these intiatives disband and disburse their sp to their respective members.

On that day the whole will have taken back it's power from those that think ganging up to have more power is ideal.

Can't imagine why stinc would want to ban that link from their frontend, can you?

Here is the proof of what some of us have known for some time now, stinc is intent on forcing their world view on everybody that uses their platform.
They do not walk the decentralized walk.
Free speech is not their goal.
If you don't brown nose them they will break your links.

That has been common knowledge for some time, but here is proof of my very own.

I've made this post on Tuesday the 13th of August and put it in my steempeak queue.
The experiment will be to see if this post is still 'broken' when this post posts.

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The site has been glitchy lately. I have run into that page on a few in my feed, and some that do open don't display the comments and I have had to go to the authors replies to read them. While it is true I follow some who would be of a nature to irritate Stinc with their constant jabs, I have to point out that although they are flagged heavily (which is great promotion as many like myself HAVE to read it now) they are still here shit posting Steemit.inc and whales several times per day. I'm actually surprised they haven't been outright banned.

Just guessing, but possible this is tied to adjustments they may be making for the upcoming fork.

I will know more in a week, if the link goes down again.
Stinc has earned their reputation, when they do something to change it, it will change.
The fact they chose abusers over regular users will not change, but it is possible stinc pulls their heads out.
I won't be holding my breath.

Yeah, who hasn't earned unadulterated slander ranging from kook conspiracy of them being evil to simply downright incompetent scammers, all neatly broached by the same common thread: when asked for proof it's all "you're a shill" or "true beliber", and everything to that effect.

Nothing like more slander to try and avoid the burden of proof.

The fact they chose abusers over regular users will not change

Yeah you'll make sure to remind everyone of their choices, but do conveniently leave out any kind of meaningful reference so people know what exactly the so important choices were.

I'm a crank, baah.
1.3m steem users do not gaf.
You got to decide your truth for you, if you ju,p to any conclusions based on my rhetoric, that is on you, imo.

Pick a thread, please.

In my left hand I'm still holding you to substantiate your slander regarding steemit, but now in my other hand I'm holding you to substantiate your slander regarding steemit, both my hands are grasping to the same thing: unsubstantiated slanderous bullshit regarding steemit. You seem to be of the mind that you're entitled by your character to do so but I'm here to tell you that no one deserves your treatment.

Ok, you done now?

Yes it is.

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Riddle me this: how do you "shadowban" on an open source frontend?

The premise that steemit does not care about free speech as they are head developer of the most popular censorship resistant social media and maintain an open source repository of the running front end is preposterous to say the least. It's mild though compared to the other stories people maintain on here like Censorship, but it's the same class of unsubstantiated, unfounded accusations that implicate an effort to bamboozle people by the largest stakeholders.

I think @freebornangel is referring to how some accounts (@thedarkoverlord is the only one I know offhand but there are more) are not shown on Steemit for whatever reason they fancy.

I'm no expert on "shadowbanning" though. I heard the term here for the first time.

Shadow banning is when you don't know that you are censored / banned since to you it appears that everything is as it should be, but to everyone else you're effectively removed.

It's not "for whatever reason they fancy" either but a matter not enabling extortion, a matter of ethics.

They fancy not enabling extortion. Any ethic is little more than what the expositor wants or wants to see in the world.

It seems I may have been wrong about his reference, in light of this definition.

With your node.
None of the tribes are having any problem doing it.

Clearly, stinc has supported favorable speech, and not speech they didn't like.
That isn't an easy thing to avoid.
How many mutes do you have?
Nobody likes hearing things that don't conform to their confirmation biases.

@curie, and others, told me that my speech would never find favor here.
That hasn't proven 100% true, but without tsu's support I would be much less visible.

So this is the "gathering evidence" stage of your investigation, because if you plan on submitting this nonsense as evidence I'll tell you right now that you ain't got shit and save us all the hassle of polluting the chain with another "steemit" conspiracy thread nil evidence.

How much evidence do I need outside my own personal experience that the link won't load for me?

Do you presume that somebody competent enough to break the link would be incompetent at deflecting attention from having done so?

Evidence? You're already convinced that someone is out to get ya, and so it doesn't matter what I presume but what you do. You call a broken page evidence of what exactly?

You call a broken page evidence of what exactly?

The link not loading.

It's the content not loading that raises my hackles.

Yeah and you tried to dwindle down the probable cause before you went about putting Scooby-Doo narratives together?

It is no big reveal that stinc is shady.

Boycott Steemit!

Use Steempeak

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Lol, I was using steemd to go through my old posts and it links to steemit, or I would have missed this.

Well I'm 6 or so minutes late to the scene, but the link was up for me.

May be something on your end?
Edit: Just reread and parsed the part about the queue.
Edit2: Also didn't realize the robot in the picture said almost exactly that. I'm really on a roll here.

I've been monitoring that link for the last ten days.
I checked it last night to confirm I should let this post post today.
I had feeling it would come back when this post hit the chain, and viola!

It's no secret that stinc is shady, this just adds to the list.

I don't think you understand what shadowbanning is. That looks like a regular 404 page, but of course it works on my end (I literally tested it within the minute of this post's publishing).

Yes, I thought the same.
Just an api issue.
Until I checked it over the last ten days.
Suddenly, today, it reappears.
I'll continue t check it over the next couple weeks.

Why? What are you checking?

To see if the link goes back to not loading.

Obviously, but I meant why are you checking that, what are you really checking?

What am I really checking?
Clearly, you have something in mind.

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Me? As if I wrote "Is Shadowbanning a thing on steemit" and basically tried to say that steemit is banning your content through their nodes, exhibit A is a regular 404 page that ironically is only served to you.

I can't help it if it works today.
I can only state that it hasn't worked as late as last night.
I've been checking the post since 10 days ago.
I decided to make a post about it last Tuesday.
That post was allowed to post after checking last night that the link was still broken.

The experiment will conclude in a few weeks from now when the post either loads or doesn't load.
I will notify you of the results, if you like.

Not as much of a shadowban when the list is publicly available and the accounts on the list are large abusers who have broken the TOS.

As for the robot page, that was a bug which I believe has been resolved. It also caused comments to be hidden from a lot of posts.

https://github.com/steemit/condenser/pull/3467

Hmm,...the timing is close.
I checked the post before going to bed on monday night and the link was back when I checked it on tuesday.
I will be checking again as we go forward.
We might get more bugs.