RE: Introducing Smackdown Kitty

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Introducing Smackdown Kitty

in steem •  7 years ago 

It is your right to disagree, and express that on my post discussions, and I find it interesting as a contra #project-smackdown you need to say that you don't think your view is popular.

The bot account will be posting daily statistics, under the title "The Daily Kitty: Statistics from the Catabase" which will list the top 50 self-comment-upvoters, as well as the overall statistics of the distribution of self-upvoting in roughly the standard dust-minnow-dolphin-orca-whale categories.

The flags the bot gives make next to no difference to rewards, except that as time goes on the percentage will rise until it hits 100% - this makes me think of a factor that I need to discuss with @personz about the escalation process, that it will automatically scale if more SP than the current 1200SP she has been delegated is added on top.

It's a shame you don't want to try and fuck with the bot, because that would be fun. I might even dip my toes into coding with node.js if the playing gets interesting. It shouldn't be intimidating if your position really is that strong in your own mind.

I am not interested in dogma either. Dogma means ignoring the natural laws and fighting people for questioning it. I am not fighting anyone here, I am playing. You would not believe what incredible satisfaction I am getting from starting this.

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"I find it interesting as a contra #project-smackdown you need to say that you don't think your view is popular."

I said I know my view won't be popular "here" as in the context of this post and the ones who upvoted it.

"The flags the bot gives make next to no difference to rewards, except that as time goes on the percentage will rise until it hits 100%"

To me this is the equivalent of someone slapping me just a little bit harder every time I tell them that I disagree with them, and eventually the make a fist. Why not just make a fist from the very get go? Or better yet, use the book of steem according to you to thump them with?

"It shouldn't be intimidating if your position really is that strong in your own mind."

I don't think I ever said that I was intimidated?

"Dogma means ignoring the natural laws and fighting people for questioning it"

A dogma is a set of guiding principals or tenets that a group adheres to, usually having to do with morals or faith, and usually in fear of punishment. I believe you are trying to force what you believe to be virtuous principals onto those who don't agree with your viewpoint, and if they disagree or run counter to your principals, you will use your bot to punish them. You say you are playing, and you are finding incredible satisfaction in it, but I don't view being punished by someone who has a different opinion than me as playing, and I doubt many will.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

If the idea that self-aggrandizement and conceit are positive attributes and behaviour in a person is your position, then sure. Self-vote away.

Meanwhile, in the real world of every type of science and knowledge, no claims originating from the inventor of an idea about its effects can be accepted as useful theory to develop a technology from.

There is a lot of bad people in the world, and one of the things that is common amongst all evil is the key characteristic of Psychopathy - Narcissism.

At this point I expect the barb that I am being egotistical by saying that I know better than you.

Well, I hate to break it to you, but in the real world there is this thing called 'facts'. These facts do not depend on your, or my, or anyone's opinions. I am not interested in representing opinions about anything without a way to show that there may be, or is FACTS backing up my viewpoint. If I don't think I have a logical foundation to what I am saying, I will tell you.

Yes, what I say, about myself, is as meaningless as a self vote.

Let that sink in for a while.

Oh, and by the way, I don't fear punishment. I fear not understanding the rules of the system I am interacting with.

Go outside and find a 2 foot drop, close your eyes, and step over it. Do you want to live your life in fear that you cannot see the ground in front of you? There is an easy solution. Doubt yourself.

I doubt myself almost at least 20 times a day. I depend on this to make sure I am checking up on the world around me. I have fallen into a blissful state of satisfaction too many times and then smashed my head on something, literally, more times than I can remember. I probably smack my head jumping up without looking first, at least once a week, at certain times, I remember days when I just didn't seem to be able to avoid smashing into the sharpest possible corners that I could have.

I take no insult in any expression of doubt about my capacities. You don't know me, or very much of my history. I doubt everything, until I see at least 3 things that are coherent with the initial suspicion. But I also don't wait for 100% certainty. I don't believe it is possible to be that confident. I act, at the moment that my gut, and my mind, are telling me that the ground is shifting. I get better at this the longer I live.

But don't take my word for it. Test me. I invite it.

I never said that the idea that self-aggrandizement and conceit are positive attributes, but that is obviously contrary to your moral stance, good for you.

I never claimed to know anything about science, knowledge, evil or bad people, psychopathy or narcissism, but again, if you do, good for you.

I don't care about what facts you have learned in whatever books you have read, I doubt you have taken the time to research every argument about every fact in every book you have ever read. Your egotism doesn't come from thinking you know more than me, it comes from thinking that you, and your facts, are correct.

I don't think what you say, about yourself, is as meaningless as a self vote, I think it has much much less meaning, let that sink in for a while.

I don't care what you do or do not fear, I care about other people trying to force their viewpoint (whether it is based on facts or not) onto a person who disagrees.

I don't know what all that stuff about stepping off of curbs with your eyes closed and constantly bashing your head into things has to do with anything that I have said, but I think it's stupid and reckless to not look before you leap, and I don't think it fits in with your apparent affinity for facts. I don't live my life in fear, and I don't doubt myself. I don't care what you think is possible or how you act according to your gut and mind, but I'm glad you are getting better at it.

I don't understand what you mean by asking me to test you.

7 paragraphs denying everything.

Good, at least you are not certain. But you should at least understand that you have to act, the clock ticks, and the resources slowly drain away.

It is reckless to leap before you look. It took me almost 40 years to learn that lesson. But it is foolish to stand still when the wind is blowing to favour after the pressure drops and your opportunity has come.

Sure sure, let me know if I'm wrong about, or denying anything else, after all it only took you 40 years to learn that it is reckless to leap before you look. I'll be waiting 100 years in the future, let me know when you figure this one out, but don't bother letting me know about all the doubting and insecurity in between.

I won't waste my time on deaf ears or blind eyes.

I am having another one of those loss of faith moments right now.

Good for you to be so brimming with certitude that you don't even think to question. The one who is gonna be looking at the gravestone is me, because I pay attention to the world around me.

And if I was wrong, I would be grateful for no longer being in a world inhabited by someone like you.

Wow, pretty certain of yourself there hey? Really glad you are having one of those loss of faith moments, maybe it will snap you out of your dogmatic haze. Never said I don't think to question, that's another one of your assumptions, along with the one about the gravestone, because you pay so much attention to the world around you that it took you 40 years to learn it is foolish to leap before you look, and you still bash your head against walls and rooves and corners at least every week, real observant you are, paying close attention.

Pretty rough assumption about a person like me as well, fact is you don't know anything about me, nor have you taken the time to find out. Someone dares to question whether your way of living isn't the best one ever cause you've figured out everything by questioning and doubting it all and you finish off by telling them how they are deaf and blind, then say that your world would be a better one if they didn't exist. And you called me a narcissist...

There is a big difference between failing to see something critical to one's course of action is missing, and thinking you know better than anyone else how awesome you are.

At least I am trying. All you are doing is trying to tell me that the entire edifice of my system of understanding is wrong, according to you. I am not, because I have rallied a lot of support to my side.

I am wrong in this case, in the way I was trying to deal with this horrible situation, but what I was shooting for was not.

There will be many more days when I can see something that I should be fighting for. I would not even be here having this conversation if I had not already somehow managed to hit a target.

Your complacent self satisfaction may feed you, but that meal is poison. Enjoy!

"no claims originating from the inventor of an idea about its effects can be accepted as useful theory to develop a technology from."

On what possible basis, and with what evidence, can you make this claim? It sounds ludicrous. It would literally call for ignoring Einstein on E=mc^2.

"self-aggrandizement and conceit" such as deciding that people who don't use SteemIt the way you want them to use it deserve "your" punishment? And then to go and create a bot to automate this punishment based on a set of rules you devised, outside of the rules of the system?

You've appointed yourself judge, jury, and executioner mate... leaves no room to talk about others participating in self-aggrandizing and conceited behavior.

  ·  7 years ago (edited)

hey, i left that project as soon as a whale joined to fund it, and this whale couldn't believe that Dan was self upvoting to promote his jibber jabber. I'd seen it long before that but nobody I talked to remembered it. Doesn't mean it didn't happen and the fact it repeated says a lot.

So in fact, I did no judging, jurying or execution, it was other people.

And who exactly is qualified anyway? I think it should be a community thing. But that's not possible because of the distorted stakes of the whales who got their stake by mining before anyone knew there was a steem at all.

The most vicious vigilantes on this platform are actually @ned, @dan, @berniesanders, and others whose accounts you will be able to identify by being created before april last year.

Yet you punish without consensus. Have you polled with your bot to see percent of users overall who selfvote vs those who don't? Shouldn't majority rules if you wish it to be community based?

"You would not believe what incredible satisfaction I am getting from starting this."

This is a scary comment. This is the kind of thing I expect from a SJW meddling in their chosen identity politics block.

I guess we know what part of your motivation appears to be now - the thrill of controlling other's behavior via coercive measures.