I'm convinced I'm not the only person who has asked this question. In many ways Steem and more accurately said Steemit, is the aberrant of social media. Everytime I forget about this fact, every single time I attempt to engage on a disagreement on tweeter, I'm reminded of these interesting dynamics.
What are your experiences like? Do you think it's real? Do you like the way things work?
Hope everyone is having a beautiful Saturday
I appreciate the absence of trolls. I really dislike the fear of disagreement.
That being said, those who have been on here long enough have developed the capacity to kindly navigate conversation. Ie still being able to disagree, but not be a dick about it.
For me, sometimes I have a DGAF attitude and can be a little saltier than most people appreciate, but I like to address things head on and not beat around the bush.
So in short, there is a lot of "fake" on Steemit, but I think it will adjust eventually and will be a nice place to be.
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Oh listen I won't argue with "the fear of disagreement" that part to me is obvious. But, is life not the same?
I mean, I disagree with people all the time. I just had and I kid you not somewhat of a uncomfortable disagreement on this post I wrote about ripple. I got called a bad person. But, what I try to do (i don't always get to) is to flip the situation and not react as if the internet has given me exemptions to let loose my emotional intelligence.
I believe disagreements, debates and what have you are an integral part of a healthy social structure. They are purifiers of arguments. But today, most who engage in "debates and disagreements" are not attempting to learn or polish their positions. They are simply jousting for the sage of egotistical aggrandizement.
So, it's up to us to be astute enough to recognize when to engage in disagreements, and when to leave the crazy old uncle to his whiskey sort of speak.
To me these dynamics are a virtual version of the things I've lived in life and not some aberrant behavior.
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Pretty insightful video.
The commenters on here do seem a bit overly nice. Perhaps celebrities and famous people should all join Steem so they can punish their loser haters. lol
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hahahahha yes, good idea... with the caveat they gotta power up of course.
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Yes everybody is super nice here. And I don´t like it too much. See all this being super nice is making steemit the most boring social media platform I´ve ever been active on.
It´s a big problem for steemit that I never thought of. Steemit is actually not fun. If I go to reddit I know I will have a lot of fun and I will read interesting posts. On steemit 99% of people seem to play the safe game. Which is just lame to be honest.
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Hahaha I guess I get your point, but... Reddit is still there and so is Twitter. So if one wants to joust someone the battlefields are available still
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I'm not a social media person so I can't provide input on other platforms. On Steemit, well, I have seen 'fake nice'. Perhaps some people don't see it because they choose not to, or they don't pay any mind. Only reason I notice sometimes is because my work profession is in the field to 'dig for truth', 'find the root cause' of an issue and come up with a solution. My reaction to the 'fake nice' on here is simply to stay away from those individuals. Surround myself with good and sincere individuals (in my eyes anyway). Problem solved!
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I think I take the same approach, I just never thought of it that clearly. It's not really a problem anyone should lose sleep over, don't you think?
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Not at all! We keep steeming away and meet new people as we go. Some people can just stay in the rearview mirrow. Might be a slower growth but oh well. I'm realizing that as I get older, I simply don't have patience for some of the high school games. Like that chick that bamboozled you in COM, sigh, too high schoolish.
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I just love the word bamboozled hahahhahah it makes me laugh every time.
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I was thinking.. bad behaviour here on steemit may not get flagged cos of flag wars, but at least they will be ignored and not rewarded..
good behaviour/good comments are rewarded and encouraged - so we do more of them. It's like children with rewarding good behaviour, it really does seem to work! :D Good thought provoking post! thanks!
I do love interaction and quality comments!
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I think you hit the nail on the head in your video. I’d agree that what some see as “fake” on Steem is in actuality a much better reflection of true social dynamics. While the “evil” we see more prevelantly in other platforms may not be fake... the bravado certainly is. Most trolls don’t have the nerve to act the same in “the real world,” although their thoughts and feelings may be more closely aligned to their online persona than we’d think.
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Of course trolls would never act like that in the real world, there are many interesting psychological dynamics for trolling. Most of it comes from a negative self image projected outward. Hence when I get trolled, I feel bad for the guy/gal because as much as the word might be hurtful to me, I know that the troll is more than likely 10 times more miserable than me at my darkest time.
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The people on Steemit don't seem to be acting abnormally at all. They act just like the people you meet in a bar or other public socializing space. Everyone is on their best behavior because they want to be accepted by the group. We all benefit from making the place more inviting to newcomers. It is a very good atmosphere.
I like to think of internet trolls as electronic vandals. Breaking windows and semi-anonymous attention-seeking are a negative way of seeking attention. Vandals assume that they will be rejected from the group, so they try to ruin the environment for everyone.
Steemit works like a functional liberal democracy. Everyone is generally cordial to strangers, eager to make friends, and tolerant of dissent. When negative behavior crops up it is dealt with inefficiently, but in a way that makes it clear that it is unacceptable and ultimately unprofitable.
Did you ever participate in a USENET group? It was the very first social media platform, 100% unmoderated, anonymous, and wide-open. Anyone could create a new group that was the only thing that kept things going. When one group devolved into spam, flame wars, and trolling, the group would pick up and move to a fresh group to start over again. The end result was a lot like Reddit without the corporate oversight.
Steemit seems to be demonstrating that it is possible to create a semi-anonymous public space where people will behave naturally. That is, they will behave like they do in face-to-face interactions with other humans.
I can honestly say, @Meno, that we enjoy your company and there is nothing fake about it.
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thank you professor, I enjoy your company too... your balanced opinions are always welcome.
:)
To answer your question.. I did not try Usenet, but i do remember MIRC. and I saw the exact same thing.
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I think people are scared to hate because they are scared to get downvoted.
But it's nice to see friendly comments
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Yeah, I don't really see the "fake nice" that people refer to either. Are there any particular examples to study? Because I have heard it too. And I think I saw an example at some point but I quickly forgot, as now the people I am interacting with are real enough. Besides, aren't people "fake nice" on facebook anyway? Like.... like.... like... like....
Is it some cross-cultural mixing where we get an impression where some people are being weirdly nice?
I don't know.
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Believe me I have seen plenty of examples of people raving about mediocre poetry, amateurish fiction, uninspiring photography, terrible videos and music, etc.
I thought ... ok, maybe it's their friends and they have to say something nice.
And then I thought ... ok, it's people trying to fill in their quota of comments and there's so much crap on Steemit they might as well act like this is worthwhile so they can move on.
And then I thought ... ok, maybe they just don't know any better.
And then I thought ... ok, maybe they don't want to nip any spark of creativity in the bud before it even gets going. (I mean we all start somewhere ... and most early attempts are truly dismal. Hopefully they'll improve ... but I have to say in most cases I'm not optimistic.)
Since I am a master-of-moving-on when something doesn't impress me ... or strike a response, I find all the nicey-nicey comments pretty annoying. (But they do tell me who to avoid.) When I find a good post, a good comment, a thoughtful response, etc., those are the people whose blogs I check out.
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I dare say the same mix of comments you'll see on any other platform though. Hmm. Facebook definitely. I suppose there they really may be friends. Or fake friends maintaining connections hmm. And that might be why you aren't there if you aren't there ;)
My response to such comments are mainly to ignore them. But actually I've found myself sometimes saying thanks regardless when they come to my post too. Depends on my mood I guess.
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That is most definitely an element, because some people don't realize some terms of endearment are just poor cultural translations.
For my to call your "dear" seem condescending, but of course, in a different culture the literal translation is a social norm.
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Sound vlog mr @meno
I think you are bang on with regards to the fact that their is consequence for actions in on the Steem blockchain - it does literally, pay to be nice.
Is fake niceness bad thing? I'm going to go with 'no' today.
The reason being is that niceness and kindness can be learned and reciprocated. Even if the the user starts of a little 'fake nice', continually being nice could potentially change this person as they get used to the good feeling that comes with being nice, and continue to take this route in life.
Just my opinion, have yourself a good weekend - I mean it :)
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Right as rain my friend. It's almost as if some people have to unlearn what they know from social media, to be able to engage here effectively. Those who do, succeed, those who can't unlearn, flop.
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Indeed.
And of course, there are decent people like yourself that have the ability to hit the ground running, not needing to buck their ideas up at all :)
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It is fake Asher, hence I refuse to join in, I did 6 months bro.
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You are entitled to your opinion of course. Two years in a week, and one Steemfest later, I see fake and real. Gotta decide who's who.
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I genuinely like you Asher, make sure though you stay true to yourself, as a quick buck is not worth a soul.
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Thank you @shepz1, I hope that this is the case also and think that i'm doing OK so far.
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I think it's great that steemit/dtube etc has the element of consequence, because it's a different approach to blogging/video making. It's a place where the people get to decide what to watch and what hits the main page.
However I do feel that fake niceness is a a problem with this community and feel it will only increase as more users join and understand how this place works.
The element of consequence here is a bit of a double edged sword, yes people are more likely to be nice and give you praise but it's often done in the hope of an exchange.
That goes for creators and commenters alike, (Not that I'm saying all are like this)
I don't know, maybe it's just personal preference but I prefer to hear what others really think about me and whatever I create rather than what they think I want to hear.
That doesn't really seem to happen so much on Steemit.
Sometimes when using these sites I feel like i'm in any place where I've held a job, where people are nice to your face, but would turn in a heartbeat behind closed doors
On other platforms that I've uploaded to over the years people are quick to tell you what they think. Yes, some of these users are trolls, but sometimes they raise valid points and while praise is great, criticism is vital for growth.
On those other platforms, the stuff that I upload tends to be ignored or criticised, people have no problem being honest, blunt and straight to the point.
Here I get praise, I'm yet to experience that honesty.
Don't get me wrong, I realise that sounds very pessimistic it just comes from personal experiences so far.
Otherwise this community seems pretty cool, I like it a lot and hope this place has a bright future ahead of it.
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It's called being sycophantic. They want you to give the money.
I've never been called Sir more in my life. Once they see you've got more than 10,000 SP everybody wants a piece of you.
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I share your frustration with the spammy beggy accounts. But, I'm not going to say I don't understand them. I'm not excusing the behavior, of course not. But, we are also experimenting with a cultural blend were lack is mixed with plenty and served on the same buffet line.
In this way the accounts you are alluring to also remind me of how "real life" works. As I've been in a third world country before, being chased for lack a better word by tons of kids and adults mind you asking me for charity. Again, I'm not implying moral corruption or even a moral hierarchy, I'm just pointing out cultural differences.
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I think it's too nice in the sense that marketeers can get away with draining the system and rarely get flagged for their empty financial nonsense posts. I think masturbotting should be punished with putting a limit on the frequency of posting by users who pay for their upvotes excessively. By the same token, I think that the world of social media in general is more sociopathic than anything, and that it tends to bring the trolls who normally have no social life out of the woodwork and into the spotlight. Steem is too socially and technologically sophisticated to placate these folks like FB or YouTube does. So, it I would say it IS too nice in some ways. But, not sure "nice" is really the most accurate term for it.
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Maintain truth and honesty and everything otherwise becomes much easier to notice.
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Not true , I am actively not nice !!
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makes 100% sense to me..
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makes 100% sense to me..
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Hey @meno, I have also asked this question several times! You video is spot on and the questions you have asked are totally valid. I agree with you that the people are so nice to each other because being an a**hole will have consequences which you wouldn't be able to afford unless you are a whale or have great influence.
Just like on Steemit where people are "Fake Nice", I have found that on other social media websites, people are "Fake Rude" . It's like their defense mechanism, most of the people I have met in real life are pretty calm & composed even though they are like some "Badass" on Facebook or Youtube. They troll their friends and be rude to strangers to look Cool. But in reality, either they are underconfident or soft as a marshmallow. :)
But all in all, over a period of time, being nice can be a good thing and people tend to replicate the same in their real life. Because they realize that you can earn much more money/respect by being a good person!
Cheers and have a "Real" nice day buddy!
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I 100% agree that I don't agree people are "fake nice" here on steemit. We all want to prop each other up on this platform, unlike others where we want to bring people down so we rise. Reputation plays a big roll in curbing bad behavior, the creators of steemit really knew what they were doing!
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As much as the reputation algorithm could be and maybe should be improved. It's no doubt a net positive. Because it's almost as an indicator of social profit. That makes little sense unless you've dove into the psychology behind the importance of the number next to your handle.
But in truth, it's our equivalent indicator of Social Status. We want to nourish it, we want to protect it, hence we do our best to be our best with that goal in mind.
It's so complex, but then simple just because its not that unfamiliar to us socially.
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Nice vlog mate.
The coin is two-sided. I'd say that we have both "fake nice" and "nice" on Steemit. Most people in general are probably more good than evil, so being nice is one of our "main features" so to speak.
However, Steemit have given its users the opportunity to earn money while doing pretty much the same things they've done on Facecrap and twatter for several years. And most of us are well-aware of the fact that it'll look better if you're acting nice. It's more likely that others will like you due to your kind words, sweet talks and/or generous/selfless actions.
Steemit gives you the opportunity to earn money. It's easier to earn money if you come out like "the nice guy", and that's one of the reasons people are being fake in general.
That being said, I also think people actually are nice due to the fact that people can be themselves in a more comfortable way on Steemit compared to other Social media platforms.
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There might be some elements of soft mental programming. It's not impossible for me to imagine someone changing his/her ways just because he or she can finally see the positive outcome of being nice.
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I've never really thought about that before lol. People seem relatively transparent here, but then again I'm not entirely confident in my judge of character via the internet.
I can speak for myself when I say there are tons of things I don't share here. I can be impatient, easily frustrated, stubborn, hard to work with. But every time I make a post or comment, I can allow myself the time to work through those things and try to be better.
So maybe it's not so much that we're faking it, but no one is getting the natural impulses here that occur in regular life. Sometimes those things emerge in rare or uncensored circumstances (like radio shows or voice conversations), and maybe it may give the impression that the calm, encouraging, collected, well-spoken person was a front all along.
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There was a psychologist (name escapes me at the moment) that describes aspects of our personality as masks that we learn to wear. The idea being that those facets, represented by masks in his description are nothing but elements of our own psyche that we can "summon" for lack of a better word to fit the situation.
It's a somewhat uncomfortable thought, at least superficially, because it seems to imply fakeness. However the argument he puts forth is that we are a collective of masks, and that our individuality is more align with a concept of inner-collective.
Pretty abstract, but if you give it some thought, it does make sense.
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Makes total sense. You're right, it is a little abrasive to our need for 'identity', but it's the same phenomenon as adapting the mannerisms and behaviors of someone who you view as 'alpha' to you in a given context. Not always bigger or stronger, but maybe someone skilled, respected, loved, etc.
Point being, I think we are all wishy-washier than we think we are when it comes to self-identification. Given the 'incentivized kindness' element that is harbored here as (@clayboyn put it greatly in another comment) I think it's easy for us to want to default to kind, helpful, well-spoken, etc.
We are just products of our environment, for better or for worse.
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I tend to think of it as "incentivized kindness." People seem to be on their best behavior in general when they think they can get money out of the equation. That being said there are plenty of people that are not beholden to the monetary aspect of the chain and they tend to be more genuine and less "fake nice." Most of the fake nice I see comes from spam comments.
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Do you remember @ankapolo's post ? - this was pretty much inspired on her ideas.
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Oooooo thanks for reminding me to check her page. She put up the beef jerky post :)
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I went thru my followers and many have not posted in months. The real people are nice and sincere I think. The bots stick out like a sore thumb. I have been flagged by flagwars and I dont like the double standards and upvote abuse...but there is still freedom of speech. Yay!!
Some people dont believe in themselves so a compliment may seem like brown nosing.
Nice topic.
Joy
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Yeah, flag wars are ugly and in my opinion lack an end goal. That is, most of them at least.
Bots are a whole different story. I see them both as amazing and annoying at times, depending on their function. The 8 ball one for example drives me nuts. That's just spam in my view.
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Yep
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Well... i have to agree tbh, now that you mentioned it Steem mimics society perfectly with the option to flag, even greed is perfectly mimicked in steem and asskissing too...
Like you said if someone isn't nice to you in real life it's very likely that you will punch them in the face, steemit mimics this perfectly with flags as punches.
We have some greedy people in our society and on steemit we also got greedy people...
People tend to flock to the big steemians to kiss their asses trying to get a reply back and maybe a good upvote, in the real world they do the same trying to meet with celebrities and millionaires to get a better job or a good photo, or any of those things...
I guess steemit mimics our society in the real world perfectly, the question is... are we fake in the real world because of social pressure and are only our true selves on facebook and instagram when we troll? maybe trolling is our real personalites! Or are we fake on facebook and instagram when we troll? Who are we really?
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Unfortunately and I do mean this, you are very correct. Society has a lot of warts, but it's a personal choice to focus on the bad things alone or not.
The ass kissing you speak of annoys me as well, but I'm cognisant of the fact that I've always seen it, always. It just had different flavors growing up. An employee sucking up to a boss, a kid sucking up to his parents. It's a natural way for us to gain leverage.
The only thing one can aim to do, and it's honestly my goal is to reinforce the good things society does have. Not the elimination of the bad ones, because I think that quest is futile.
But once again... unfortunately you are correct.
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It's the way the world works... we suck each other off to grow xD i should frame this and put it up on a wall or something, maybe spray paint it on the house of parliament ahahha
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Sorry I cant watch vids until I find a downloader for Dtube vids?! Got terrible internet :(
Buuuut, I can still comment! Just from the title it reminded me of humans living as neighbours in rows of houses on a street, or come to think of it, anyone who lives in "close" living environments (including social media sites) will always end up being "two faced" or "fake nice" because its all just Ego :)
Big love, never watched a vid from you- but just get those great vibes still anyhow when I see your on my feed! Hope to catch some writy writy ones, or a vid downloader pronto!
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I've been adding Youtube Mirrors. Honestly putting up these vlogs is also part of a soft promotion I'm trying for Steem.
Thank you for the support brother. :)
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Aha! Of course 😂 keep doing it then people can download to watch easier until a dtube downloader pops up 😊
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Forgot to add, any promo for steem is great! The world should know of its greatness!!
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I've met so many genuinely nice people here, some of them in person. When there's a financial aspect and people take account of your reputation it's worth being genuine. Most of us can 'smell' fake praise. Of course some get enough SP that they can act how they like. They are the dangerous bullies we don't really want.
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The personality of a bully is a social aberrant. Could we imagine a functioning society were that was a dominant trait, a commonality among people? The word dysfunctional falls short. But, none the less they will always be part of the social soup.
I too despise fake praise, however I'm trying, I'm really trying to give them the benefit of doubt and lately as you can see from the little spammer in here, I've been trolling them back. A soft deterrent... if they show up again, then I might flag them.
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I portray myself as the evil anti-progressive on the majority of platforms. But if many of these people that I get a rise from were to actually meet me in public, I doubt they would even attempt any form of retribution against me.
I am the master if what I post here on Steem and not for once have ever bitten my tongue when it comes to social issues of any sort.
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To me the immutability of the blockchain means its fertile ground for opinionated voices. However, we can't conflate disagreements with lack of civility.
Some of my best friends on here have opposing views to my own, but we respect each other. So when we argue, we just argue, we don't have to troll, get all ad hominem or fall for the common argumentative fallacies.
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On Steemit actions do have consequences. Funny I was just writing some about being nice and thoughtfull today so this totally adds in there.
Okay so this day started on that I was reading a Dutch facebook article on streetdebate and all 589 comments under this turned out into internetheroes calling each others names, diseases and other horror and so I stopped reading after like 100 comments. I am annoyed by the fact that nothing has consequences and that these people go to their job again on Monday and put on their better face like nothing of this ever was written down on the world of the interwebs.
You better face should ALWAYS be there if you want to A: get something done.. B:try to be a better human C:create a tiny bit of a better world
Now I think there is a difference in being nice and polite or being a suck-up. I can understand if you reach the higher reps you will have more suck-ups. Just as that if you work higher in a department also people will try to suck up.
I think we are perfectly capable of distinguishing if something is fake or not. And if not... is that even bad?
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Aside from some of the fake elements we may have, because maybe they are undeniable. As a whole, it's a lot more complex than that. So yeah, even when some people are pretending (at least at the beginning) to be nice. Maybe eventually they find themselves enjoying it.... maybe.
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Excellent thought. @g0nr0gue and I were just talking about this the other day.
I personally feel that the expectations of the community is the reason why. For example, if you post crap on Steemit you might just get flagged, ultimately resulting in a destroyed reputation. That would be the selfish reasoning. However, people having enough sense to be courteous of others, even if for selfish reasons, is a good thing if you ask me.
So even if it lacks in authenticity, it’s still good practice and rewiring for the brain. We need more of this type of behavior in the world.
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incentives are equally as important as deterrents...
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Can you please elaborate on what you mean by this?
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As you've pointed out shit posting, plagiariazing and what have you almost always ends up in negative reactions and financial consequences to the people who partake of those activities.
That is equally as important of a consequence as the counter point, which would be if you dialogue with civility, bring originality, participate of communities you actually benefit financially.
Regardless of our personal concepts of profit, wealth and what have you. It's important for our psyche to feel that we are operating in our own benefit. Moving away from pain, and towards pleasure.
Hence, my somewhat cryptic remark.
;p
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I've heard this mention a few times it does make you wonder if there is such a thing as fake nice @meno good post.
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Hey, not sure if it's real or fake but I'll take nice either way. It kind of reminds of Instagram, most of the comments are positive and nice. I feel that on Instagram it's fake because people want you to follow them back. Whereas on Youtube for example, a lot of people just consume videos and don't create so their not worried about building a following. - I don't know there's probably more to it, but I just remember being taught, "if you don't have something nice to say then don't say it all" Have good one!
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You know that tad bit of operational wisdom "if you don't have something nice to say then don't say it all"
has a lot of value of course, but I think I like the voluntarist approach to it.
Do no harm, but take no shit...
I'm sure you've heard it! :)
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Lol! For sure, that’s a good one too 👍🏽
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Your video explains it perfectly. This is so relatable to me right now. I'm very new here and right off the bat I thought the same thing you desribed about your youtube friend. I've done youtube for a 1.5 years and steemit for 3-4 weeks. There is definitely a different more accountable vibe here vs the lurking in the shadow trolls elsewhere. At least thats my take so far. I have established some good online relationships with people on youtube but it's always stayed online. Going from youtube to instagram and to facebook is as far as any youtube relationship has gone. However, here on Steemit, in the last two weeks I have actually talked on the phone with 2 people that came about only because of Steemit. There's been a more real genuine connection here through our commonalities than I have found elsewhere. I can't explain it but there really is something exceptional going on here.
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hey @farmer-g..
Welcome to steemit
When you attach a negative $$ value to people being trolls somehow it regulates them being dickheads..quite similar to real world !!
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that's fantastic to hear... well welcome to steem brother!! I wish you a lot of success
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@meno I think people are taken back because it is different from what they are used to. Also on Steem if you downvote or talk badly about someone it can hurt you. You can also see who did it. So people tend to be nicer on steemit. On YouTube a thumbs up or thumbs down mean nothing. If someone leaves a nasty comment you can't do anything but delete it or respond in kind. If you had 2000 people watch your youtube video and give it a thumbs down its fine. Why??? Because YouTube works off of views. So if that video is monetized you get paid regardless LOL! Great video man.
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I think youtube has made the "social" aspect very dysfunctional. You can have a thriving channel and be the most hated youtuber out there. That to me is kind of weird. I mean, I understand it, but its weird.
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It works both-sides. The newer members or some that you gonna see that have the same reputation for way too long (cause of shitposts probably) they will be ''nice'' to everyone because they wanna earn easy money and not get flagged.
In general though even now steemit is way best than fb and other social media as you said too. The reason is because the majority of people that come here are sick and tired of the other social media and the amount of bad behavior there so they want a change.
When i got here a bunch of people came to welcome me even though i didn't even posted a photo of myself. (About 1,5 year ago). That surprised me and made me feel good.
At the same time i started doing the same. I greeted newcomers and also i let them know that if i could helped them with info and tips i was more than happy to do. Some of them wanted my help and ofc i haven't said no. Till now we have an active relationships in steemit (commenting,challenging in general interacting)
I made a post about similar thing regarding the people that don't answer to comments and i said that's basically a stupid mentality that came from other social media.
Also and that's really really important, all those new people that comment on posts of a ''bigger player'' and receive a nice comment back maybe an upvote how motivated and happy with steemit will be?
Won't they feel that there is some equality no matter the money you have, won't he feel a sense of community? If he/she do the exact same thing in facebook either he/she will be ignored, or get a silly reply or even get a nice package of swearing.
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Very good points... let me ask you something, since you've been here longer than me. How do you feel about SMT's and the one account one vote idea. ??
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it depend's on how they gonna use them. Once again SMT have the potentials to make steemit reach a whole other level as for example even facebook can built their coin based ofc on SMTs. Imagine how beneficiary that will be for steem's price.
Also another reason SMTs are helpful is that you bring other players along that could have been potential enemies later. Imagine steem to continue growing and have more and more people and ofc market share through time. That will made some people ( governments-corporations) a bit furious and even lead to find ways to undermine steemit. Now it's like an invitation that says come along.
Although it sound awesome we don't yet know what will happen in reality or if there are some ''secret talks'' behind the scenes. After the whole sbd incident i prefer to wait and see how things will end up cause i can't say i trust them completely.
Now as per the one account one vote idea i can tell you that i never heard it like that so i am not sure what you mean, so please enlighten me if my guess is wrong. I guess that we are talking about people who make more than 1 accounts right?
If yes i have to say that the majority of them are scammers and probably should get flagged. On the other hand though there are some people that in their main accounts have a niche, for example scientific posts or art and they have gained some followers and auto votes.
Those people may want to make a second account in order to post more light content (memes,jokes funny content in general) and don't wanna take advantage of the people that autovote them or even decrease their voting power. In that case i am with them making a second account.
So in conclusion i would be good if there was someone or a community dedicated to find those accounts one person has and let the public know so they can choose what to do. Although most of the people that will make a second account in order not to take advantage of their friends autovotes will let all their followers know through a post in their main account
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Agree one hundred percent, meno! Steemit is like the real world, Twitter is the fake world.
For example, here is the story of two American friends, one conservative, one liberal:-
J owns 20 guns, is white, is inheriting a lot of land and money, and tells me I live in a fascist country cos we restrict guns to people with hunting licenses. He is also a guy with a geeky winning smile, who will do anything for anybody.
M is Latino, born in the US of immigrant parents, never had any money, went to Stanford on a scholarship, and jokes to me that "when the revolution comes, I'll kill you last." Basically, being English, and a friend of his, entitles me to longer survival than other white people, when "white privilege" is finally overthrown. He's a hyper and hilarious dude, speaks as fast as Robin Williams, makes everybody he ever talks to laugh their asses off.
J and M agree on zero politically, but they get on just fine, and I could be with both those guys in a friendly situation, no problem.
Why doesn't J tell M he enjoys the taste of liberal tears? Why doesn't M tell J he's a brainwashed asshole, living in a privilege bubble, with no clue how the real world works?
Answer: They have A STAKE in not pissing each other off, because they have to get along, because they may see each other for years and years to come. Besides which, politics is by and large bullcrap that doesn't affect one iota of real day to day lives, it's just stuff people shoot the breeze about. And in fact, people tend to have a lot more in common than not, for example, J and M both being massive movie geeks, fans of the same movies, so plenty to talk about.
Steemit is like the real world because the actual STAKE, in the platform, is a perfect emulation of the real life stake people have in real relationships. It forces people to behave normally. It is an anchor that promotes normal civilized behavior and decency.
What you get on twitter is some kind of phony civil war, based on nothing but ignorance, incivility and unwarranted bravado. It's worthless bullcrap.
This story is set in the past because M passed away, suffering a sudden cerebral aneurysm. J was so broken up about it you would never believe that he and M were from such different tribes. :'(
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I love the thought experiment there... I know it seems very specific but it's probably happened in exactly that way hundreds if not thousands of times.
In the end, we are all human, we all have a stake in this, we all want things to work out... that is key, that is one thing we mustn't forget.
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That's no thought experiment. That's a true story. Me and those guys worked on a student film together in Los Angeles. M directed, J produced, I operated the camera (not my forte). I attended both their weddings. :)
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then I love the story even more...
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Great video. I agree with almost everything you say there except one single thing. I don't think the mean behavior some people have on Twitter is their "fake evil". I think both behaviors (the mean behavior on Twitter and the nice behavior on Steemit) are their true self.
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They are different faces no doubt. But my point is that when there are consequences we do our best to be our best.
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That's true. I've also noticed that this social (Steemit) network is oriented towards the growth of the other, whereas Twitter et al, are not.
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One of the consequences, besides downvotes (or lack of upvotes) is that after seven days what you wrote (and what you are written about) is etched in stone and cannot be modified or deleted.
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very good point... so your actions have long term ripples.
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It looks like everyone else is saying what I think too - consequences and all. It's the only place I have seen that works like this.
I keep thinking of YouTube comments. Imagine this replacing that.
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Youtube is probably the worse representation of trolling, or the best, depends on the angle you approach the subject with.
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This was spot on. I think you are 100 percent correct. There are consequences if you are a jerk in real life and also here on Steemit. Great video
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thanks for watching bowen... I just watched on of your videos. You are a pro! ha
I'll be following from now on.
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Thank you sir. Same to you! Have a great evening
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I think you are a horrible person, stupid, and a big cry baby.
That being said you have a point.
Edit: I have yet to look at any pro Donald Trump posts but if there is not critcism there then....
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hahahahha it looks like you understood the message 100%
:p
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I have no problem criticising all governments. I'm certainly not a trump fan and I'm vocal about it. But.. I'm not a fan of government in general if I'm to be honest.
Even in disagreements we can learn to be civil or at least we should want to be civil.
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Says you dumb dumb head
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They are all wankers or wankerettes, lol
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Wankerettes sounds like a 90's chick punk band... I like it.
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:-)
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˙uʍop ǝpᴉsdn pɐǝɹ noʎ ƃuᴉʞɐɯ ɯ,ᴉ 'sǝʎ puɐ ˙ɥɔɐoɹddɐ ɹnoʎ ɥʇᴉʍ ǝɹǝɔuᴉs ǝq puɐ pǝɹǝʇuǝɔ ɟlǝs ssǝl ǝlʇʇᴉl ɐ ǝq oʇ uɹɐǝl ʇsnɯ noʎ ˙puǝᴉɹɟ ʎɯ ʞɹoʍ ʇ,uoʍ ƃuᴉʇɔɐɹǝʇuᴉ ɟo ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ
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This was magnificent.
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How do you write in australian like that?!
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http://bfy.tw/JANx
This is how ....not a scam link ..I promise..
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hope that doesn't come off as being nice..
@movingman
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havent checked it yet!
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no rush....
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i can reveal my trick, but only thru discord! ha!
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do you have the same name on discord @meno?
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yes i do sir... I'm on MSP/Palnet as well... :)
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Ill find you when im back on laptop,i cant squeeze tge app on my phone,i have also same name #0184 i think 😊
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but... you are in helpie, remember? hahahah
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