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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Dear @robertoueti and @EVERYONE READING :)

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Excellent choice of topic. But Im not sure what do you really mean that internet is dying. Internet is way more than exchanging content on social media platforms, isn't it?

that they are not visible to a large number of people.

It may as easily happend with Steemit, busy or any other platform. Your data can be stored on STEEM blockchain but may not be shown (because you may be banned) on any of those platforms. or perhaps im wrong?

This is issue I've been discussing with some friends lately and till now I'm a bit confused. We all know that STEEM (as a blockchain) cannot be censored. But Steemit is centralized front-end and it can be easily forced to censor some content.

Am I right or perhaps I'm very wrong?

Yours
Piotr

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yintercept (61) · 6 years ago

I agree the web at large is a more robust and valuable resource than SteemIt or the blockchain.

There are millions of real businesses and real community service organizations on the web. These organizations are actively involved in communities and are actually doing things.

The blockchain is a fantasy land that is notoriously divorced from local communities.

It is worth pursuing .... but should not be pursued at the cost of the web at large or the local community.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

When I wrote about the death of the internet, I meant how we are currently observing it.
We see that large corporations have the power to censor and prevent people from speaking whatever they want. Here at Steem we do not have this because of its decentralized nature. I believe that the internet as we know it is dying for a totally new and decentralized Internet.

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yintercept (61) · 6 years ago

Unfortunately the desire to "create a new internet" seems to lead to greater centralization.

For example the "app" phenomena was an experiment in creating a new internet.

Smartphones have a limited storage capacity. So people download a very small number of apps. These apps have the predictable effect of limiting the number of voices that people encounter.

Even though SteemIt and "dapps" are on decentralized servers. They have the effect of limiting the number of sites that people actually visit.

Dapps create a paradox where people are using the term "decentralization" to create a new paradigm that is actually more centralized that the web at large.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Sorry, I didn't understand, the dApps are doing a decentralization or a centralization?

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crescendoofpeace (63) · 6 years ago (edited)

I think @yintercept means that, while dapps are running on decentralized servers, they have a relatively small user base as compared with the internet as a whole.

So using them effectively limits your audience, as well as the number of posts you can see, simply because they have not yet been widely adopted.

Which is entirely true.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

In that way I agree... But adoption is not a huge problem since people can migrate to this platform, even if they are concern about the privacy and censorship from another social media.
Thanks for sharing!

crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Hi @crescendoofpeace, @robertoueti, @yintercept

Wow. What an interesting conversation you guys have here :)

Damn. Steemit may not be censorship free but still this is the best platform to engage with people I know.

Cheers
Piotr

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Yeah, you got it... The internet dying is a way to call the attention for the post, I guess the use of the world was sucess, hahaha. Yeah, the internet is more than that, but we can switch that word for "mainstream social media".

About the visibility, well, is kind different...
In Facebook, if you say something bad for the government and someone want to delete it, it could be possible, however, if you try to do this in Steem, isn't possible. Of course, you could flag a person until the reputation become less than 25, and the post will be hide, but you will be able to see if you want. That is the main difference between that.

About the Steemit centralization, totally agree but we have another ways to use, like @steempeak and @busy, so even they have a centralization front-end, we have a lot of different ways to use it. :)

Cheers!

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Dear @robertoueti

however, if you try to do this in Steem, isn't possible
Of course, you could flag a person until the reputation become less than 25, and the post will be hide

Do you mean STEEM or Steemit?

Please keep in mind, that Steemit.com is a front-end which is fully centralized. And once it will get bigger and bring attention of regulators and politicians then this platform will also most likely change.

Do you think Steemit and other platforms cannot implement some extra rules similar to Facebook? Where your post will not be displayed at all? How hard it will be for goverments to put a pressure on every single platform (either steempeak or busy)?

The only way to avoid censorship is to create "decentralized Steemit" :) That's still my opinion. In current stage it will be super easy to force all STEEM front-ends creators to adopt to goverments needs.

Yours
Piotr

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guruvaj (57) · 6 years ago

In a blockchain, and by the nature of how it is built, it will always be hard for censorship, since the norm of blockchain dev's and enthusiast is to see that any blockchain system should be opensource, and that it has capacity for decentralization. If proven otherwise, many blockchain users will leave that kind of platform.

In the case of steemit inc. it has only controls the steemit blogsite, I still believe that the API , nodes will be censorship free and will continue its development into decentralization, granted that all users and as represented by dynamic and proactive witnesses will steer the platform towards the goal of a new internet.

The internet, and all its existing protocol will improve also, but will remain mostly as it is today.
BUT on top of the internet, is the blockchain network(s).
Many dev's out there will always push for decentralization, and the core of blockchain itself is indeed decentralization.

What is my suggestions;

First, always support blockchain projects who are opensource.
Second, member yourself in a blockchain community, and help that community towards the realization of decentralization.
Lastly, learn anything that will enrich your experience in the blockchain, example, learn to code, learn to market your blockchain, use it in everyday life, invest using fiat(as it increase your stake on the blockchain) and don't stop learning.

Let's us all be vigilant. This is a new frontier. We are all pioneers on this land called decentralization of information. The wheel is turning, and it will no longer be stopped, because man, by all its essence will always wanted to be free.

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yintercept (61) · 6 years ago

SteemIt is highly centralized. A few big accounts get most of the votes and attention. New accounts rarely get upvotes.

SteemCleaners is doing a great job identifying spam and @cheetah calls out copied content. The accounts that run afoul of these tools have an experience similar to the shadow-banning and outright censorship that people experience on other sites.

(Quite frankly, I love cheetah and SteemCleaner's efforts to clean up spam and phishing attacks).

The block chain is great because it provides a low cost alternative revenue stream. But we are foolish to ignore the web at large for the delusion that the blockchain is providing a censorship free platform.

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guruvaj (57) · 6 years ago

I don’t mind @cheetah and @steemcleaners . They are a good way to remind content creators to be the best as they can, copying others without proper citation is bad, and as we are intelligent enough to correct ourselves.
We can self regulate.
These are just bots, still we the human reading the content will judge if a content is worth our time.

And the time we spent, these are value, the gold within the steem blockchain.

The content is the pickaxe for digging the gold.

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redpossum (48) · 6 years ago

my two cents worth on the cheetah bot
https://steemit.com/ai/@redpossum/why-i-hate-bots

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Thanks for sharing this link @redpossum

Will check it out right away :)
Piotr

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

But which digital currency does not have a centralized currency? Bitcoin, ethereum, litecoin, in short, they all have few accounts with an absurdly large balance, centralizing a good part of the coins.
The problem is not the dispersion of the coins, but rather, if you can speak what you really want. You see, even though the accounts are large, you can criticize them without losing your voice on the platform, something that does not exist in other social networks.

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cubapl (58) · 6 years ago

speaking about PoW, actually a lot of mining pools can provide 51% attack, so its hard to talk about safety, trust and decentralization in the moment, when our assets are in the hands of certain amount of online gurus.
speaking about PoS, as you said we easily find few accounts with an absurdly large balance, centralizing huge part of coins and power

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

I dont think we ever had a chance to get to know each other. Great comment @cubapl

Are you Polish?

Cheers
Piotr

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Agree with you on that one @yintercept

SteemIt is highly centralized. A few big accounts get most of the votes and attention. New accounts rarely get upvotes.
But we are foolish to ignore the web at large for the delusion that the blockchain is providing a censorship free platform.

You nailed it.

Yours
Piotr

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago (edited)

Totally a favor,
The APIs will be decentralized or at least that's what we're expecting. People are increasingly wanting decentralized models, so I believe it is a matter of time before we can secure the hegemony of decentralization without Steemit Inc.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Amazing comment @guruvaj

First, always support blockchain projects who are opensource.

Aren't those projects usually struggling financially?

Let's us all be vigilant. This is a new frontier

I love the sound of it. Being pioneer isn't usually very profitable. But it may be andventure of our lifetime haha :)

Yours
Piotr

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udow (61) · 6 years ago

I think depending in witch country the platforms are hosted it will be very difficult to force them to something.

crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Good point @udow

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Also, it's easily copied the front-end platform, so, if they close one, two will be started.

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udow (61) · 6 years ago

yes you are correct !

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Reputation and flag are closely linked to Stech's blockchain, not the front end. So, in this case, I comment on Steem.

About regulations, I doubt there's any chance of that happening, and I'll say why.
Let's imagine that governments force Steemit Inc to take this post on the air for example. What could they do? Within STEEMIT, they could create a redirect that, if someone tries to access this post it will not appear, or it will be redirected to an error page, for example.
BUT ...
As we are talking about a front end, we have other options such as Busy, Steempeak and Steeve, which are mirrors of the STEEM blockchain and not STEEMIT. This means that in these other places, my posting will be visible unless governments try to file a lawsuit against all of them, and even if they do, they would have to do with all the applications that use STEEM to come in the future.
Even if Steemit Inc wanted to, it would not be able to change the block in which this post is, and consequently they would not be able to make this post censored completely.

So, in conclusion... You can only censored something in STEEM blockchain if, and only if, you can change the block of that post, which, in a such way, it's impossible.

Cheers!

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Man, I love how responsive you are @robertoueti! LOVE IT!

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achim03 (63) · 6 years ago

Hi @crypto.piotr,

If you run a website that has european users, you have to comply with new rules set by the european community meant to protect the privacy of the users. On a project like steem you might have the raw data in the decentralized blockchain. Centralized platforms like steemit or busy normally would have to comply with these laws. This means that sooner or later, such platforms will have to adapt a certain censorship of the content that comes from the blockchain.

What is great with steem is that anybody can create a frontend to read the content of the blockchain. Maybe in the future we will have a personalised app that filters the content we want to read... That would be an interesting project by the way ;-)

Best regards,
Achim

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

And the most anticipated comment of the night ... by noone else by famous @achim03 !

This means that sooner or later, such platforms will have to adapt a certain censorship of the content that comes from the blockchain.

That's exactly the way I see it. And faster Steemti will grow, sooner this place will attract attention of authorities. As long as we're still small, noone care.

Maybe in the future we will have a personalised app that filters the content we want to read... That would be an interesting project by the way ;-)

Oh wow. That would actually be amazing idea buddy. Seriously amazing.

Piotr

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worldfinances (61) · 6 years ago (edited)

At the current time, I can clearly say that centralised platforms have some problem due to their nature of rules ( as you say), and tracking. So every person, writing comment, can be tracked. One of my friends wrote something about one of our politician years back when there was a riot on the street. And few days after, he got police on his doorsteps. So much about freedom of speech.

Problem for our freedom as a society is the "corporatization" of social media and big government influencing the modern model of the World Wide Web and social media.

Just like @anomadsoul says...
Facebook sells your personal information. You are a piece of data ready to be sold to the highest bidder in order to be able to sell you random products or services. Youtube is falling apart as creators are searching for any and every way to get OFF the platform and find a way to make money elsewhere. Tumblr banned their primary user base and demographic content consumers. Flickr is - out of the blue - charging their userbase a yearly fee for something that used to be completely free. Patreon is censoring and demonetizing the users who don´t align with their political agenda. Paypal is deciding who can and who can't transfer money for arbitrary reasons. Twitter is a cess pool of a left wing echo chamber. If you don´t agree with someone or if you have unpopular opinion, you will get reported by groups of SJW´s who will get you banned. It is all just crumbling down before our eyes.

But Steem has all that functionality. And more.... Without political agenda, without demonetizing users, without demographic content consumers, with no rules to agree to someone just to stay on the platform....Steem just has different names for all the functions ( dtube, steepshot, steempeak, partiko, musing, fundition, tasteem, d-oracle, steempress-io, actifit....)

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shadowspub (70) · 6 years ago

Steem has all those parts .. Steemit is just one of them.

It will be hard for any entity to attempt to shut down any part of the Steem userbase.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

And the most anticipated comment from @worldfinances

Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me. Again.

Problem for our freedom as a society is the "corporatization" of social media and big government influencing the modern model of the World Wide Web and social media.

Very well said. I wonder if our society is moving on a one way street or can anything ever change. Are we going to end up being nothing but workforce/consumer and product. Traced on every step we make. I wonder sometimes.

Youtube is falling apart as creators are searching for any and every way to get OFF the platform and find a way to make money elsewhere

Seriously? I didnt know that.

If you don´t agree with someone or if you have unpopular opinion, you will get reported

I realized that already. So I decided that I don't want to have strong opinions. I want to understand what is happening around me, observe, ask what other people think and myself share as little of my own views on politics, religion, migration etc.

It is what it is.

Cheers
Piotr

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ravijojla (53) · 6 years ago

Hey, @crypto.piotr :-) Happy and prosperous 2019 to you and your family.

I'm just stopping to say Thank you for the great discussion you provoked under this post.

Best wishes,
@ravijojla

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Indeed @wordfinances,
I think people are realizing that the most used social networks are getting more and more problems related to censorship and freedom, which is why Steem is better at these issues.

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marvyinnovation (51) · 6 years ago

hi @crypto.piotr,

Please pardon me for this delayed response.

"The only way to avoid censorship is to create "decentralized Steemit" :) That's still my opinion....."

I also agree to a decentralized Steemit, but what is the need to avoid censorship if the content is obscene and the like?

Sir this is where i was unable to understand. Please throw light on this part extensively so that i may get a chance to understand the subject bit more clearly!

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Thank you for your kind reply @marvyinnovation

but what is the need to avoid censorship if the content is obscene and the like?

That's a good question. I didn't think about it. But at the same time I believe that censorship will be huge part of Steemit and every other social media platforms no matter what.

Yours
Piotr

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n1hal (54) · 6 years ago

Yes you are right @crypto.piotr Decentralized steemit can be the only answer to escape governmental control and surveillance. I believe that steemit is still not as big as facebook or Instagram but growing. Steemit is still in its infant stage and has a long way to go and I believe that with surge in price of Steem in the future and more people coming into the platform will encourage developers to get steemit decentralized. And the internet as well is not just about social media but is about many more things.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Thanks for that comment @n1hal

So we're pretty much on the same page here. I still wonder why so many people seem to believe that steemit is free of censorship. I cannot grasp it.

Yours
Piotr

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dses (58) · 6 years ago

I would have preferred it was titled, the Internet as we know it ... but then the title would have become a little lengthy.

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dses (58) · 6 years ago

Dear @crypto.piotr

First of all you need to remember one thing very clearly (as far as I can understand), just as @ned has said:

Steemit Inc and the Steem Blockchain are two different elements, but they are related to each other.

The Steem blockchain, like other crypto currency blockchain, requires machines and physical things to maintain the transparent ledger (if you know how to extract it) : example: the wallet.

Whereas the Steemit Inc is the platform that gives the opportunity to generate (mine) the crypto of Steem and SBD, in their % calculation in all the programming codes and algorithm.

How it is generated is by the proof of Brains , the behaviour of humans in the social network.

However, after it is generated, as long as there is a way to access to how it is kept, you can still do transactions, provided you have the authorised private keys to do so.

However that being said, with the Rocks database being implemented, the data platform is now centralised but the Steem blockchain is still decentralised where all the witnesses are maintaining that ledger online that everyone so dependent their dear life with.

I hope this gives you an idea how I understands it. haha.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Hi @dses

Thank you for amazing comment.

I agree that we need to separate STEEM and Steemit Inc. But at the same time we cannot separate Ned into 2 different people.

After all it's still one and same person being in charge of those 2 projects, which are kind of 2 different elements but not really. It's like saying that 'bitcoin' and 'blockchain' are two different elements. Indeed they are. But are so heavily connected that separating it is very difficult.

I hope this gives you an idea how I understands it. haha.

It does. I appreciate it a lot.

Yours
Piotr

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dses (58) · 6 years ago

Probably that is why if Steemit truly sunsets and let the dapps blossom and strive towards perfection, then he can focus on supporting and improving just the blockchain itself.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Thanks for your kind comment @dses

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kcherukuri (55) · 6 years ago

Dear @crypto.piotr and @robertoueti

This is more a debating topic than the excellency I would say. If we see the title it is so confusing because Steem is also a branch of internet world. May be the title could be Internet 2.0 or 'X'.

Here we have to agree with almost all of the points of the author. But this point is confusing as rightly mentioned by piotr "that they are not visible to a large number of people."

I don't think steem will censor based on front end centralization team.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Dear @kcherukuri

This is more a debating topic than the excellency I would say.

Thanks for your lovely comment :)

And I appreciate your input.
Piotr

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hansdewet (58) · 6 years ago

This is a valid concern and one I share with you. Stars may have aligned as we have the hacking group @thedarkoverlord on steemit. And I am amazed at how fast they where banned on mainstream media sites. If we have a central point of attack it will surely be compromised.
Let's wait and see, as my gran always says.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

The absence of a single point of failure, is what brings more freedom to Steem.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Really interesting comment @hansdewet

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roleerob (66) · 6 years ago

I believe the key @crypto.piotr ...

"But Steemit is centralized front-end and it can be easily forced to censor some content."

... is the position of the all-important Steem Witnesses. Steemit cannot force them to do anything. However, as I detail more in my comments below, I am pragmatic about it and believe that Steemit currently exercises far more influence over these witnesses than is ideal.

I hope 2019 will bring about considerable improvement in the right direction, which is toward more decentralization and the right kind of witnesses, who can be trusted with the future of this blockchain.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

I hope 2019 will bring about considerable improvement in the right direction,

Let's hope so @roleerob

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago (edited)

We need to have more and more freedom in the platform. According @ned, they are working on it, and we need to see if is that true or not, but until now... I think that Steem is the place that we have more freedom to speech anything that we want.

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wakeupkitty (76) · 6 years ago

I agree with you I even deal with that problem now. I try to answer this post for already 10 hours but zero result. I deleted the biggest part of my answer, but still no result.
Steepshot did not work for me and I turned out to be not the only one.
The word "internet" means the connection to the world wide web (www) in my language and Steem is just a part of it.

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khussan (54) · 6 years ago

i think the more steem gets decentralized the more it will be private and creating anti-goverment influence on steem is also a good thing

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Totally agree... No more governments saying what we need to talk.

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khussan (54) · 6 years ago

yep the internet should be where we are completely free

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caribehub (50) · 6 years ago

Hi @crypto.piotr. maybe Internet is dying because IT infraestructure is highly centralized. As far as I know I have not seen "open" hardware like an "open" cable/satellite.

Regardless of politics, building such infraestructure would require some degree of centralization, a coordinated effort to join resources. Probably a company with a decentralized equity/governance can build complex projects like an open Internet infraestructure. In this case equity would belong to everyone (like a public asset but without goverment management) for now it sounds like sci-fi. Just my opinion.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

I never been thought about that point of view @caribehub, thanks for open my eyes about that.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

That's a very good point @caribehub

maybe Internet is dying because IT infraestructure is highly centralized.

Thx for sharing your thoughts on that issue
Yours
Piotr

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adonisabril (74) · 6 years ago

I don't know about Steem but I've got a good chunk invested in Tron. They aim to do exactly just that - decentralize the web. With the extremely slow adoption of this platform since HF20, I don't know if it can decentralize the web. People need to flock to Steem else it's just another planet in a universe full of galaxies.

onnovocks (49) · 6 years ago

This post was brought to my attention by @crypto.piotr and the subject matter is right up my alley, as they say. Thank you Piotr!

There are a number of things playing on the Kinder-net. In the USA a law was passed, sometime around 2011 or so, that protected search engines from liability for what others published, even if the information was incorrect, incomplete and from an anonymous source (see where this is going?). Many Businesses and individuals being extorted and/or blackmailed on line, tried to appeal to the search engine companies to de-list such publications, because it is impossible to serve Court documents to an anonymous entity hiding behind attorney/client privilege. Initially the very basic and clear answer that came back from both the search engines and US law enforcement was: Screw You!

Not anymore. Today the search engines and website owners are paying attention as that mistake cost them Billions, yes that is a "B" and this isn't over.

Websites like ripoffreports (.) com have taken steps to ensure their smut can't be found in Europe; it seems to operate like an extortion site that charges to remedy the problems their publication causes. They won't take down the original publication but will redact it with a "conflict" resolution. ..for a fee of course..

Then there were revenge porn sites that let someone post video anonymously and the targeted individual, mentioned with their real name and location, was given the opportunity to have it removed for a "fee" of course..

Some website owners are awaiting trial in California and more legal trouble could be waiting for them if they are stupid enough to travel. Another 200, or so, websites and their owners are not immune to similar treatment, it's just a matter of a few more years.

Many social media sites are now finding out that adhering only to American law will eventually backfire when they ignore the Plankton, and the Plankton turns to poison and the whales go hungry :)

I recently found an account here on Steemit that posts material that falls in the category pseudo revenge entrapment blackmail extortion. This guy passes himself off as an underage girl to see if he can get men to agree to meet her. When they show up he has a video Camera rolling and posts the video as if the guy is a criminal. The problems are that: there was no girl, no crime was committed, and if he targets the wrong individual the fall out could affect all of us when some government uses that to target the block-chain for regulation. As it stands, that account has likely already violated EU law.

Yes the kinder-net is like the street and it would be naive to think it's not coming to the block-chain. When smut-sites publish on Steemit under freedom of speech, expect 17 million angry people to also show up to cause a disturbance. They'll be bringing their hackers with them, and why not? For those folks it's just a matter of rinse and repeat after the first round of take-downs.

Do I have any answers? No. This is a double edged Sword for me; I believe in free speech, but I find that truth and accuracy are not easily found. As a contrast, manipulation, omissions, and outright lies rule the day. The problem lies in that we can't assign equal value to everyone's statements. I believe in someone's right to say: politician X is a child molester, but without hard evidence, I also think that statement shouldn't be in the first 10 listings of a Google search. (and that is exactly what happened with the smut-sites, manipulated to rank high in Google)

If you got this far; thank you for your time!
Greetings!
Onno.

P.S. While the laws passed by the EU are recent, in many member states similar laws already existed but cross border enforcement was a matter of money and sovereignty. The EU doesn't have that problem to the same degree.

robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

These are excellent points that you approached in your comment! Thank you very much for contributing.
I believe that, as we are increasing the number of new users and applications, we will see perhaps a significant increase in problems related to blackmail and extortion of some users within the platform.
It is something that we really need to think about, because we will not be able to restrict these publications, they may end up creating serious problems for people who have been judged unfairly.

crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

What an amazing and mature comment @onnovocks

MASSIVE! :D

I recently found an account here on Steemit that posts material that falls in the category pseudo revenge entrapment blackmail extortion

WHaaaat?

This is insane.

onnovocks (49) · 6 years ago

He's still here Piotr. Last posted 16 hours ago. See screen shot:

Screenshot from 2019-01-07 17-18-29.png

Image redacted for names.

I'm not going to list the source because I don't want to give this guy any publicity. It states right there that there was no 15 year old girl, so a crime could not have been committed by the individual mentioned. To me this looks like entrapment.

The problem with this publication is lack of validated evidence or worse, possible extortion; pay or we'll publish. I've seen a lot of this kind of garbage, but those websites are now scrambling to keep their smut out of EU jurisdiction. To the best of my knowledge it's not yet possible to do that on the Blockchain.

crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

To me this looks like entrapment.

Indeed it does look like it @onnovocks. Thank you for taking the time to write those comments. Appreciate it a lot.

Yours, Piotr

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bashadow (65) · 6 years ago

In the beginning there was DOS, then PC-Dos, and IBM Dos, and the MS-dos. People need to think about that for a couple of minutes. After there came MS-Dos, what happened to the other Dos's? They pretty much disappeared off the radar scope, fell out of view, and went pretty much bye bye, not buy buy.

Now lets remember the Internet explorer wars. Think about that and what happened, yes Netscape climbed out of the ashes and re-arose like a phoenix out of the ashes as I believe Fire Fox, I could have the name wrong, but then MS lost out to Google.

Now I would like to remind people tha Microsoft Corp. bought git-hub. I know when I mentioned this when it happened people were unconcerned about it. I hope people never need to be concerned about it. However most of the decentralization is built through git-hub. Where do the developers send people that want to develop for steem?

If you can't control them, join them, then control them. Open source is only open source if no one can tell you what you can and can not develop.

I do not know about other countries, I barely know about my own when it comes to technology and government controls and corporation controls. Most of what I know is likely wrong, or just hearsay, such as since the Government can not easily trace what you do or where you visit with the TOR web browser it is illegal to use it in America. Fact, Fiction, Hearsay, or Urban Legend, I really don't know for a fact.

That brings us back to Microsoft and the browser wars, I am not sure who ended up winning in the field of American Courts, Microsoft or Netscape/Mozilla, it matters not one bit today, other than Microsoft now controls Git-Hub, owns Git-Hub. Where and what happened to the software suites of Word Perfect, Lotus Works?

I would like to think that Steemit is going to be around in 3 more years, but, but people need to look at history and Microsoft when it comes to things just going away. Microsoft can close down git-hub at will, they OWN IT.

robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

This is another point of failure that we need to find a decentralized substitute.
Just as we created a totally decentralized site like Facebook, Twitter and Youtube, we can create a place where we can distribute our source code like github, we just need to check who could do it.
I had not looked at this prospect, thanks for opening my eyes.

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bashadow (65) · 6 years ago

It was not a well advertised or talked about news headline when Microsoft bought git-hub. Here is a link if you missed the story: https://news.microsoft.com/2018/06/04/microsoft-to-acquire-github-for-7-5-billion/

No one spends that kind of money with out a reason.

robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Totally agree, thanks for the link.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Hi @bashadow

What an amazingly long and mature comment :)

Thx for sharing your story and your view with us. Appreciate.

If you can't control them, join them, then control them. Open source is only open source if no one can tell you what you can and can not develop.

Interesting point of view :) It kind of make sense.

Yours
Piotr

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guruvaj (57) · 6 years ago

For me Steem is far more transparent blockchain, since it is on top of a social platform, and the core and the heart of steem is indeed the community, that demands, true censorship free, information dissemination, a robust, reliable system for earning on content and other economic gains and entertainment as well.

Blockchain also can be a self governing body that adheres to the community values. We should trust the people. We should trust ourselves.

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roleerob (66) · 6 years ago

Much of what you have written @guruvaj, in your comments above, I agree with ...

"... We should trust the people. We should trust ourselves."

... however I would respectfully suggest we be very careful here. Just as there are "good" and "bad" people in the real world, so there are "in here." We should be prudent in determining which is which, as we make our decisions on who we should throw our support behind, moving forward.

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guruvaj (57) · 6 years ago

Yes, that’s true. Think of it, with “so many bad people (and good people) out there”, we are still here, thinking about progress. We stabilize ourselves.
Let us get involve. Be part of the development, and the bad people out there will just be a part of the cycle of development.

Hmm.. its sound philosophic hahaha.
But don’t worry its just an interpretation, and I am a biologist by education.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

As we are in an environment with freedom, people have a duty to fight accounts that are bad for the system as a whole, so I believe that the bad elements will normally be extinguished from the platform.

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roleerob (66) · 6 years ago

Very good @guruvaj ...

"Let us get involve. Be part of the development, and the bad people out there will just be a part of the cycle of development."

... we are agreed on that! 😊 👍

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wakeupkitty (76) · 6 years ago

I think it is not quiet true about the censorship. Here are rules too if it comes to the content you post and some people or bots do function as the "police" as well

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ravijojla (53) · 6 years ago

Dear @robertoueti,

my interest for your post was provoked by @crypto.piotr. To be provided with an opportunity for a recognition of talented authors like you is a pleasure for me. I'll gladly follow you for more of your future updates.

Best wishes,
@Ravijojla

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darkflame (65) · 6 years ago

I have been here since August 2016, and I can confirm it has never been better. I have continually underestimated steemit, even though I have been very consistent. Now I am working on deploying my own third party applications, I have integrated steemit into my website and I'm working on games now. I have been onboarding new users but it can still be difficult to attract peoples of the platform. I think that all of these new front-end web sites are really going to allow us to grow from a million accounts to a billion quicker than anyone thinks. Just keep on steaming and save your steam dollars, and power up! The Best Is Yet To Come

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

I've been here since August 2017, and I think the platform has improved a lot. It is obvious that there is still a lot to be done, but still, it is great to see that it remains the best platform with freedom and freedom from censorship.

crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

I dont think we ever had a chance to get to know each other. Great comment @darkflame

Now I am working on deploying my own third party applications, I have integrated steemit into my website

Could you tell me more about it? It sounds amazing. Plus I could help you promote your project here on Steemit (I'm supporting interesting projects).

Cheers
Piotr

darkflame (65) · 6 years ago

We are still working out some of the bugs with the new API and github updates but http://connect.mydarkflame.net has integrated SteemConnect and is intended to be a portal for Theatre Patrons to use Steemit and write their stories, while supporting Darkflame Studios.
I also accept Steem and other Cryptos as payment for items in http://shop.mydarkflame.net ! You can play my Free Space Game at http://space.mydarkflame.net or Delegate some SP by playing the SpaceDelegation game http://spaced.mydarkflame.net <--
There's much more to come but I wanted to reply to your comment quickly. Feel free to Follow @Darkflame and check out all my old posts, and to upvote my recent ones too if you like. 2018 has been an interesting year, I made significant progress in some areas and also in some unexpected areas too. Do you have a preferred chat platform? You can always message me on Facebook, find me at https://facebook.com/hotsteem <-- or https://facebook.com/darkflameearth

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

I've checked out http://connect.mydarkflame.net/ and I've one question. Do your site try to "recognize" language of it's visitor?

Half of site is in Polish (which would be my language). The thing is that I would like to change to english and I don't even know how to do it.

I will definetly be following you closely now. Im so far impressed with your work.

I made significant progress in some areas and also in some unexpected areas too. Do you have a preferred chat platform?

You can find me on telegram: crypto_piotr or discord: crypto.piotr#3426 but Im not super active on chating platforms. Im more of an email kind of guy. Perhaps you could drop me a message and would keep in touch?

[email protected]

Yours
Piotr

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darkflame (65) · 6 years ago

Check settings for language preferences. Thanks for your interest! We will chat more.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Have a great upcoming weekend @darkflame
Piotr

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cmplxty (62) · 6 years ago (edited)

I think this situation is strange for sure. On one hand you have the media giants that are partaking in mass censorship of content they don’t like. On the other hand you have platforms like the Steem blockchain and it’s associated apps. There are lots of benefits to the platform but there is something insidious that has been itching at me. Perhaps the guide over to an immutable blockchain is by design. If you think about it, you can’t delete stuff from it and that’s a gold mine for data mining and governments. The positive aspect to that however is that we continue to expose and document their misdeeds and that too is immutable.
Just my thoughts!

Thanks @crypto.piotr for the discussion suggestion, I am enjoying the various comments.
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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Hm... About the applications I didn't see that as a drawback, but the impossibility to delete something I think that could be a problematic, however, I don't see how that could be used against people, at least now. Maybe in the future that could be something very very problematic.

crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

And I'm grateful that you accepted my invitation and joined our little discussion @cmplxty :)

Appreciate it.
Piotr

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sarez (64) · 6 years ago

I totally agree that Steemit is a much better option to FBook and Twitters. But nothing is perfect. As everything else Steemit is changing the direction it goes in- decentralized or controlled or open source or whatever- has to in sync with much of the users.

Steemit Witnesses have a big role to play. So choose your witnesses well and track them if possible. You can change your vote if you feel misrepresented. And as is nature - Big Reps and Big SP count more.

Keep Steemin!!

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

For sure, the Steem blockchain is not a perfect social media, however, it the most approach of them, and that is why I always said that we need to have more witnesses not only 20 controlling the blockchain.
Thanks for sharing!

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praditya (62) · 6 years ago (edited)

As @crypto.piotr shared the link of your post to my wallet, that dragged me to read this blog, I find it to be really interesting, I agree slowly and steadily steem platforms are overtaking the internet, but is lacking mass adoption for sure. We all should ensure the wiser use of this decentralized platform.
Moreover I am happy to see many people showing their point of view through the comments, It's really nice to have such good amount of readers.
Keep flourishing buddy!

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Thanks man,
I think that we can have a lot of good discussions here in Steem without the fear of being censorship, and that is amazing, also the reason of I call all my friends to be part of this.
Cheers

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

I'm sorry for dragging you all the way here @praditya :) But Im glad you found this post interesting.

Thx for sharing your view with us. Appreciate.

Yours
Piotr

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roleerob (66) · 6 years ago (edited)

Asked by @crypto.piotr to come and comment, I've read through most of what has been written here @robertoueti. Great post! Appears we have a friendly debate underway, so I’ll add my “two cents” and hope it is not taken as siding with one against the other … 😊

Philosophically, I would agree mostly with @robertoueti and your commenter @guruvaj, who closes with:

”Let's us all be vigilant. This is a new frontier. We are all pioneers on this land called decentralization of information. The wheel is turning, and it will no longer be stopped, because man, by all its essence will always wanted to be free.”

Well said. Striving for liberty (freedom + responsibility = liberty) is in the souls of men, unless terribly corrupted by some form of despotic state control. The potential of blockchain technology to help us in this striving is immense.

My experience in life, however, gives me a pragmatic view as well as just the pure philosophy, which is ideal. If we choose to foolishly believe there is not a great deal of effort being expended right now to control the future of blockchain’s potential, then … We’ll just agree to disagree. The key will be who wins out in the struggle. I’ve had thoughts of writing a post about this, but haven’t had the time …

For our sake, I hope Steem continues to progress toward increased decentralization and away from the control of Steemit Inc. We don’t want any “point of failure” to be so great, as to have the potential to bring down the whole house. I am concerned that currently we are in a precarious situation with Steemit Inc. The key is the all-important Steem Witnesses. Hopefully, you’ve all chosen wisely in selecting those who will best represent us and preserve the potential the Steem blockchain offers to us all.

I’ll close with best wishes, unlike 2018, that 2019 shows great progress toward what can be for the sake of us all.

💥 Happy New Year!! 💥

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Hi @roleerob

Amazingly long comment :)

If we choose to foolishly believe there is not a great deal of effort being expended right now to control the future of blockchain’s potential, then … We’ll just agree to disagree

Very well said. You've nailed it.

The key will be who wins out in the struggle. I’ve had thoughts of writing a post about this, but haven’t had the time …

If you ever would write it then please send me memo with link :)

Thx for sharing your view with us. Appreciate.

Yours
Piotr

roleerob (66) · 6 years ago

Very well @crypto.piotr ...

"If you ever would write it then please send me memo with link :)"

... I wlll do it, if I get to writing it. Right now getting through the last 7 days at work. Then 3 days to prepare for my "road to recovery" trip ... 👍

Hope all is well with you and yours @crypto.piotr. Hopefully still in the "honeymoon phase" with your beloved?

crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

hahaha @roleerob

Hopefully still in the "honeymoon phase" with your beloved?

That's the problem. Im super responsible person but not much into all lovy-dovy stuff :P

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

First, thank you very much for the 2 cents, I am grateful to all the rewards: D
Secondly, I totally agree that Steem is not the maximum level of freedom, we have a lot to do, so much so that I am adept at increasing the number of 20 to 50 key witnesses, and to ensure that people have not cast their votes , they go to people who are not in the top 50. I think this helps a lot to improve the decentralization, and logically, the technological improvements within the blockchain so we can increase the amount of APIs without the need for computers with high processing power , thus reducing the power of Steemit Inc.

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roleerob (66) · 6 years ago

Unfortunate the disruption in our engagement here @robertoueti, but my full-time job and family responsibilities come first, including needing to leave for work yesterday (and again this morning, in a little bit …). Unavoidable, at least for now.

”… we have a lot to do, so much so that I am adept at increasing the number of 20 to 50 key witnesses, and to ensure that people have not cast their votes , they go to people who are not in the top 50. …”

Not sure of the wording here, but if I am following your thoughts correctly, I definitely would be in favor of the “rewards” of being a Witness be much more evenly distributed to well beyond just the top 20. 50 is a good start. Why not 100 or 1000? While I am not a coder in this platform, given the processing power available it should not be a problem to simply distribute rewards based on the number of votes a Witness has.

”… and logically, the technological improvements within the blockchain so we can increase the amount of APIs without the need for computers with high processing power , thus reducing the power of Steemit Inc.”

Yes, current efforts to reduce the hardware resources / cost to support a Steem node is very encouraging. Likely should have been done long before now. BUT … ”Better late than never!” 😊

robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Thanks for sharing @roleerob,
What I am saying about the increase of witnesses, is because in that case we have less power in more people hands. Increasing the size of key witness could bring us more decentralization, but I know that we have some problems of that, like increasing the time of each block, increasing, maybe some problems of traffic for example, that is why I choose the size of 50.
Cheers!

roleerob (66) · 6 years ago

Yes, @robertoueti ...

"What I am saying about the increase of witnesses, is because in that case we have less power in more people hands. Increasing the size of key witness could bring us more decentralization, but I know that we have some problems of that, ..."

... there would be problems. Some of which you cite. The biggest one, in my view, is simply the human nature factor. Specifically, whatever income the top 20 are currently deriving from their activities, we would be asking them to accept a reduction in their compensation.

For what? We are arguing for "the greater good" and the benefits accruing from decentralization. I would be very surprised to see this easily accepted. Instead, I think you could anticipate some pretty spirited "push back." Based on what?

Well ... There is only one way to find out. You'd have to present the idea in the right channels / forum and then stand back ... 😉

Enjoying the engagement! 👍

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kimmysomelove42 (58) · 6 years ago

This sounds like a good idea for Witness topic!

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Thanks, I will see if I can be in touch with some of them to start the topic with witness.

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d4rkflow (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

Steemit and steem are not perfect but the content cannot be shut down when you have opinions that the CEO of the plataform doesn't like it. We need to rebuild the internet.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Not rebuild, but improve and revolutionize!

redpossum (48) · 6 years ago

I was something of a pioneer on the web. I had my own account (as opposed to using my employer's account) back in 1994, when you had to really want it to get out there. Keep in mind, in 1994, we were still working with Windows 3.1 which was not an operating system but merely a graphical shell that ran on top of DOS. Thus it had no socket layer. This meant you had to use an external socket utility called Winsock, and pay the license fee for that. You also had to have a UNIX shell account which you connected to via Telnet.

In those early days the Web was still very new. Note I said the WEB meaning the graphical element. Today we conflate the words "web" and "internet" but they're not the same. The internet itself had been around for nearly 40 years at that point, from its primal origins as DarpaNet. But prior to the Web it consisted of Telnet, FTP, and IRC, and that was about all.

Mosaic, the first widely available graphical browser, was first designed at NCSA in 1992 and released in 1993.

The Web in 1994 was like a housing development when the streets have been laid out and the lots staked off, but no houses have yet been constructed apart from demo units.

But all of this is prep for what I'm really trying to say here.

In 1994 there was no e-commerce, there was no corporate presence at all, and advertising was strictly banned. Because the Web was originally intended to be a public resource, like a library or a public park. It was never intended to be the corporate-dominated cesspool that it has become. But money is like water, in that it always finds the cracks, and the corporations do not allow themselves to be shut out of anything for long.

My point here is that the internet is not dying. That's horsecrap. The internet is alive and well, it is only certain corporate ripoff schemes that are dying, and I am delighted to roast marshmallows over their funeral pyre.

Zuckerberg is CIA, and Facebook's facial recognition system is a cover for scanning all your social media photos into a huge central database of facial recognition info.

That is just one tiny part of what the corporate dominated Web is all about. Feel free to call me a loonie tune, (in some ways I am), but the rabbit hole goes much, much deeper than your worst nightmares.

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crescendoofpeace (63) · 6 years ago

Right there with you.

I've been on the net since 1995, have been working with computers since long before that, and the massive rate of change in the internet has been nothing short of revolutionary.

I've agreed for years that Facebook is not to be trusted, have never given them access to any of my phones, only access it (very rarely) through a secure browser, give it no permissions, and regularly disallow the permissions it decides to take for itself.

I am very careful what information I share, and with whom.

To that end, I use Protonmail.com for my email, which is encrypted end-to-end and not datamined. I use Signal for Android for my messaging, and StartPage.com for browsing, both of which are also encrypted by default, and do not mine or store user data.

It's MY data, damn it, and none of "their" frigging business in the first place.

I am a long time believer in our right to privacy, and no one - including no government - has the right to abrogate that right.

No one.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Hi @crescendoofpeace

Amazingly long comment :)

Thx for sharing your story and your view with us. Appreciate.

We should call you VETERAN :D

Yours
Piotr

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crescendoofpeace (63) · 6 years ago (edited)

LOL, @crypto.piotr, you haven't realized by now that I'm given to long posts and comments? ;-)

And, right after making my case for the right to privacy, I wound up reading the lyrics to half a dozen songs about stalkers, beginning with Every Breath You Take, by The Police (which I've always referred to as "The Stalker Song") . . . yet one more reason why the right to privacy is so very important.

straighttalk (51) · 6 years ago

Thanks for sharing these awesome tools!

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crescendoofpeace (63) · 6 years ago

You are most welcome! Happy to be of service. ;-)

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

First, thank you for contributing to this historical analysis. Actually, it was very important to show that the internet is not only what we know to be social networks and things like that, but all its previous archetype.

When I wrote about her being dying, it was actually just to draw a little attention. Actually, it is going well, what is apparently dying is the centralization of both companies and government institutions. We are seeing the advent of blockchian giving people back the power through decentralization. Steem is an excellent tool that shows us all its power and capacity.

Thanks for sharing!

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redpossum (48) · 6 years ago

I do apologise for using the word "horsecrap". That was needlessly unkind of me. Sorry.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Don't worry man, I got the concept that you try to pass, hehehe.
Cheers!

kimmysomelove42 (58) · 6 years ago (edited)

I got a chuckle from that. I think @redpossum you should write a book about way back when humanity goes from 2Density to 3Density with the "computer age". Super fascinating, as I was living in the middle of nowhere in the early 90's, dirt farming, I was secretary of our wee commune and we bought a "brother" type writer, it made a machine gun type sound and it typed out for you, we just sat like cavepeople staring at it, thinking that's the coolest shit ever LOL!

Then they said, some day everyone will have a "beam me up" communicator device in there hands like Captain Kirk. We was like, what?, I don't think so, that's the movies! No, it's a miracle if I can go through a day without seeing hundreds of them. I went to try a new gym several days ago, went into the co-ed sauna and there were 4 people on their "communicators" while dripping sweat, can you believe this?

I know this is a little off topic, but humans now are lining up in droves to be connected, connected to something, someone, some emotion they are seeking outside themselves and most of them could care less if there info is bought or sold a million times. However, for those of us that do care.... go Steem! I sense that if the core Witness system stays healthy within Steemit and with integrity this platform will truly succeed in paving the way to be a first edition of the "new communicator" . From an experiential perspective, Steemit has inspired me to write, learn super basic code and photo editing and find several communities and peeps working for a better world without constant bombardment of ads, subliminal messaging and being tracked/monitored.

Thanks to @crypto.piotr for steering me to this article...

Screenshot_2019-01-06 Star Trek Communicator The Wand Company.png
Star Trek Communicator Device

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Amazing comment @kimmysomelove42

Could you please consider using enter to separate blocks of text in the future? it would make it easier to read :)

Yours
Piotr

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kimmysomelove42 (58) · 6 years ago

for surz.... hay how do you make the font a different color like some folks do?

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Sorry. Im not sure how to change colour @kimmysomelove42

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Hi @redpossum

Amazingly long comment :)

Thx for sharing your story and your view with us. Appreciate.

We should call you VETERAN :D

Yours
Piotr

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mllg (66) · 6 years ago

Dear @robertoueti:
Thanks for this post. There is information about Steemit that I did not know. I will review those options that you present. If he knew about Dtube, but not about the other possibilities.
I completely agree with your conclusion Because of this, I believe it is the duty of all Steem users to show their benefits to people and try to bring in new users so that we can ensure that they can have all their benefits and we can further Increase curators and creators of content, therefore, I give resteem to your publication.
And I thank @ crypto.piotr for sending me to this publication.
I follow you.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Thanks @mllg,
Take a look in all of the projects that I said in the post, I guarantee that you will like some of them.

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mllg (66) · 6 years ago

I think so, too.
Thanks

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certain (72) · 6 years ago

Frnd @robertoueti
The more the technology is growing, privacy is in the same danger. Before installing any application, their terms and conditions have to be considered. It is necessary to allow access to our contacts, media etc. Steemit Blockchain is such a platform where after one week the post is not allowed to be deleted. Undoubtedly the number of growing applications and their inevitability are questioning the security of our data. And the biggest problem is that from where to bring new things every day for all these products, the number of spammers on the social media, steemit Blackchain is increasing.
So convenience is growing but security is destroying.
Via @crypto.piotr
Thank you

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Yeah, that is a thing that we discuss in another comments, if you cannot delete some post or comments they can be used against you in the future. I think that could be a problem in one day, and we need to understand how we can avoid that.
Thanks for sharing!

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oivas (66) · 6 years ago

Very good post @robertoueti! Gets us thinking about the future of social media. You are right about government level concerns on social media and of course, the security aspects related to users. Did you know that drug peddlers used Facebook to sell drugs? The media was not just ready to stop those kinds of activities. There are pitfalls for sure and I am equally sure that they will work out a better solution. However, the question really is how do we see social media evolving. The same old centralized model or a decentralized blockchain model?

Well, my guess is that the decentralized blockchain model will win eventually. That also makes me wonder, would we be the beneficiaries of starting first on a platform like Steemit? I guess, we will. And all the security that the government wants on privacy can very easily be upheld through the blockchain route.

So, if you ask me, decentralized blockchain social media is the thing of the future!

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Totally agree with you @oivas,
The future will be more decentralized, and that is why I think we need to share more and more the benefits of Steem, not only for people come here and we increase of user base but also for increase the numbers of concurrent creating in that way a place with more possibilities for everyone.
Thanks for sharing!

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

It's great to "hear" from you again @oivas

I didn't have a chance to read any of your comments lately. Im glad to see you're still active buddy :)

yours
Piotr

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andyjem (55) · 6 years ago

Thousands of posts hit the steem blockchain everyday. It would be imposible for any government to track every single one, just as it is difficult for us to track every single post made by people we follow. You could block a person or a post but they would pop up again under a differnt name and continue with thier opinion, as we all have the right to that in a free world.
If you dont like what I say Dont follow me dont comment on my posts. Thats how we act with people in the real world. Dont abuse me because you dont agree with me. By all means try to change my opinion with reasoned argument and a good discussion. But in the end we may agree to disagree and go our separate ways. There has been a great response to this post and a good discussion has evolved. Thanks to @crypto.piotr for bringing me here and thank you @robertoueti for bringing up a very interesting subject central to Steemit and the blockchain. Happy 2019. Oh and people should take a look at @partiko for their android. It makes for a better experience on the phone.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Thanks a lot for the comment @andyjem, I really do believe Steem's blockchain is a place that can not be silenced by government officials, so I think people who want freedom of expression should be here on Steem. Of course, there are still few people here, but soon we will see an increasing adoption.

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anitacarolina (66) · 6 years ago

Hi @robertoueti I know this post from @ crypto.piotr I think this is a very interesting topic, as we know on this platform there are very many useful content and as writers we also need to know where we write because everything has its own place as you mentioned above, if you eat food there is a taste and so on, and if there are security problems such as data leakage experienced by Facebook if for me, you can only give up because I don't really understand about the world of blockhain..😊

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Hello @anitacarolina, thank you very much for your comment. Basically people can use Steem's blockchain to do what they already do in other centralized applications, but here at Steem we have the ability to freedom of speech, thus ensuring that no one will shut us up or try to censor us.

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anitacarolina (66) · 6 years ago

😄😄

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cloudblade (69) · 6 years ago

Does steemit not freeze our account?
The downside of too many social networking sites is frozen your account - Suddenly / No warning / Didn't tell you why?

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Nope, Steem cannot freeze your account.
No one in the Steem blockchain could freeze your account.

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cryptouno (64) · 6 years ago (edited)

Fully decentralizing Steem would be great. All we need is to download our coins into our computers and have a copy of the blockchain. It is true that average users are buried by those who have invested heavily in Steem. They rule over the average person with a crown made of Steem. Me I am like whatever. All that can be done is to simply post for the fun of it. Not for glory, riches or fame but simply because you enjoy it.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

I agree, we need to post here not to have fame and glory, but rather because it is a place where we can do it without any capacity for censorship of other people. Obviously, those who invest more have more power, but do not get to the feet of the power that large institutions have under their users, such as the case of Facebook, Twitter and other social networks.

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freecrypto (69) · 6 years ago

Ohh man really you had raised very great and positive and effective points😊😊. I really love this write up :). I, hope so that it can reach till many people 😊. I'm hereby by @crypto.piotr

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r1s2g3 (60) · 6 years ago (edited)

Thanks @crypto.piotr for bringing me to this topic.

I will just say that internet is not dying, it is growing and as per your article it is changing hands like from youtube to dtube .
The only problem I see that people are still ignorant what Privacy means. I guess most of think if no other human is watching you, it is private. It will take long to make users educate about what exactly Privacy is.
No Corporation and government will going to fund or encourage this movement instead they will be happy to suppress it . I guess it will take long time but it will happen. Internet will change for sure.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Totally agree,
The word "dying" is just to call more attention, but yeah, the internet is evolving and having more decentralized power for people, when they start to use another apps and sites, like dtube instead of yutube.
I think I will start to talk more about what privacy and censorship are and how Steem could help people to that.
Thanks for sharing.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Thanks for dropping by @r1s2g3 and for your mature and valuable comment.

appreciate.
Piotr

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fitinfun (71) · 6 years ago

I talk about alt-health topics and get censored everywhere. So therefore, I self-censor so as to be able to get my less controversial posts seen on any platform. I'm a weight loss coach trying to help other obese people get thin and healthy with natural methods like I did 8 years ago. I am able to do that work without publicly stating the things people like to jump on.

The STEEM platform is no different in this regard. I checked some of the various things I might mention if I was not in fear of censorship when I got here and found all kinds of controversy and more important in this place - down-voting. Anytime I want to go check again - I see the same thing. I have no idea if the people down-voting are agents of the powers that be, or if they passionately believe in what they say, but in some cases they are spouting the words of the big guys quite plainly.

So I definitely do not post on those topics here and stay away from the posts of anyone who does.

Also - on a slightly different angle - STEEM is heavily weighted with interest in all things STEEM, crypto, and blockchain. Those of us posting on other topics are at a big disadvantage here.

Coming to from the wallet transfer I received from @crypto.piotr. Lucky you to have him promoting your post :)

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

But would not it be the case that people on the platform were not interested in your publications, or, you have not found them? I say this because I used to write in my native language, which is Brazilian Portuguese, but I did not find the right people in this niche so that I can succeed here on the platform. It was then that I began to write in English, and to get in touch with people who might like my posts, and gradually, they began to appear.
Maybe you have not contacted people who like your posts, and for that, I suggest you join the @actifit project discord server, maybe there, you might find avid users.

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fitinfun (71) · 6 years ago

I do have some people from @actifit that follow my work - and others. But my point is that such a majority of activity is steem and crypto related that it hinders growth. When content creators in other fields come to look at the place, the vast majority of everything is on those topics and so they do not think it is a place for them.

And in my case, when I post about steem and minnow tips, I get much better action and upvotes than when I post about health. It's the nature of the place when there are so few of us here.

I hear what you are saying though, and cannot complain about my blogs. I have three and I'm happy with the results even though they could be better. Every day is a new chance to reach someone who needs help.

If you like to write, try the daily freewrite by @mariannewest. Lots of good people over there.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Another thing you can do, that I did and help a lot is to comment and follow the @c-cubed profile, they help newcomers which talk about anything except cryptos and steem.

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junnel123 (50) · 6 years ago

Security and privacy start with yourself. We choose, we Decide, and We commit.
Self-awareness is most importnat in terms of Security and privacy than Electronic and Internet System.
If any one disturb your privacy and in danger your security then no one is to blame but yourself. Security System and many More can not be fully trusted. It depends in you who you are going to Trust.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Totally agree, but it if you are doing this in a place centralized, maybe you will have problems of censorship like Twitter and Facebook. That is why Steem is better than these, in terms of free speech.

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junnel123 (50) · 6 years ago

@robertoueti
Censorships is not a problem if the Netizens are aware of what we so called "Think carefully before you decide".
The Problem in Twitter and FB users is that they post everything they do which sometimes become the way for other to create crimes easily such as Kidnapping, Rape, Murder, and etc.

Can you share your opinion here @crypto.piotr

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Agree with you that people post a lot of sensitive information that helps others to commit crimes with them, however, the censorship is a thing that people who talk a lot against government are having problems.

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junnel123 (50) · 6 years ago

Many Fake Accounts does that. That's is why FB and other social media sites are starting to remove those anonymous account. As of now, Media have been the Most influence way of the World.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Dear @junnel123

The Problem in Twitter and FB users is that they post everything they do which sometimes become the way for other to create crimes easily such as Kidnapping, Rape, Murder, and etc.

That is obviously a huge problem, but at the moment it seem that our focus (as a society) is on privacy and censorship.

Not much else to add. Most important is to be aware and make aware decisions of what we want to publish and what informations we want to share.

Yours
Piotr

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khussan (54) · 6 years ago

It all comes down to one thing "privacy" while i think that steemit is the most decentralized social media yet it is also the most vunerable to censorship because of the downvote system being abused and no one taking action against it

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Agree with that,
My thinking is that cutting out the flag system, we will be more private, but even with that, I think the censorship here is less than in the mainstream social media.

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jenina619 (69) · 6 years ago (edited)

Hey guys! What about what the friend @alexanderrigov says, posts of an average user are buried if he doesn't invest🤔 @crypto.piotr @anomadsoul
I myself most likely would've left this platform after H20 if it's not that 2 people came to help by giving me delegations.. https://steemit.com/steemit/@alexanderrigov/the-fundamental-issue-of-steem-nobody-talks-about-part-1-defining-the-problem-1545913811

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Thanks for sharing @jenina619. I will read the text and comment about.
The HF20 helped a few things and create another problems. If you continue to have some problems about the RC (the problem that don't give you opportunity to comment and post) tell me and I will help with a little SP delegation too.
Cheers!

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jenina619 (69) · 6 years ago

Hi Roberto!👋😀 you're so kind😚 no worries I currently have a delegation Thanks🤗 but whatever delegation is always welcome since helps users to get +noticed🎈people has been so supportive with me here I love that😊🌼🌞 That text is the 1st part, the autor told me he's gonna post the continuation soon👍🤓 my dubt is about how will masses adopt Steem as to leave centralized if they will be so limited at the beginning🤔 not everyone can invest or want to do..

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

I think that we need a huge content creator from, soundcloud, facebook and youtube to come to Steem blockchain and wait until their audience come too. Maybe in that case we will see a huge mass adoption!

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jenina619 (69) · 6 years ago

I hope so!!🙌🤹‍♀️😁 I share Steem network where I can, mostly in Twitter🐣

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joanstewart (65) · 6 years ago

Nice topic to discuss @robertoueti and @crypto.piotr perhaps internet as we know it is dead, those moving away from big brother type situation have more often than once had their fingers burned.

Centralized social media, plug can be pulled at any time by either the corporation due to loss of earnings, instruction by governments etc...

Examples

MyBlogLog a great platform to work on and make new friends 2007-2011
Posterous another easy to use sharing platform 2008-2013

Many more changes will come. Google+ is in the throes of closing after many changes, too many to mention. Stay where you are earning or what suits you, what I suggest is become more familiar in blockchain technology and start making the move now.

Decentralized is run totally different, not being in one place, distributed on many servers world wide, branching out in a true web style/format.

Front end mechanics of Steemit using bots for good/bad would be a discussion all on it's own. My feeling is a personal touch, use bots sparingly, avoid down voting others, everyone has the right to freedom of speech/thought.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

I make your words my @joanstewart, the decentralized blockchain model is changing the internet and applications a lot. I believe that within a few years we will see a complete revolution in applications the way we know it, and so we will ensure a place where freedom of speech really is the main point of support.

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joanstewart (65) · 6 years ago

Freedom of Speech alone cannot be taken lightly, people need to look for truth, check details, have a good moral compass.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Indeed, but with freedom of speech people will start to have a better moral and chase for truth, since with more freedom we have more responsibilities too.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Hi @joanstewart

What an amazingly long and mature comment :)

Thx for sharing your story and your view with us. Appreciate.

We should call you VETERAN :D

Yours
Piotr

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belkisa758 (70) · 6 years ago

Hello friend, interesting approach. The last paragraph is the original message. It is important to carry steemit beyond the platform and I find myself working with ambassadors of @Cervantes. We continue projecting

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

That is a way to help others, totally. We need to help them to enter and stay in the platform.

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lanceman (53) · 6 years ago

Quality, insightful post - good sir, thank you & may God bless

my uovote & re-steem to you

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fucho80 (71) · 6 years ago

Interesting point of view and very successful in my opinion. It only remains to make a great effort that leads us to promote steemit in the best way, showing the benefits that can be obtained by creating content on this platform.

And that lovers of all these networks find the platform so attractive that they are willing to migrate to a decentralized platform, which in addition to security and privacy can be profitable for them.

Very good article.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

I think the main problem is that we have such a low quantity of people here, and like cows and wolves people try to be in packs, with people they know, so we need to find a way that create a strong connection with them and the platform.
Thanks for sharing!

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hobo.media (64) · 6 years ago

Definitely agree with you robert, thanks for post!

Steem is solving a huge problem with censorship and its getting into all walks of life such as Patreon. Additionally, on Youtube some members lose their own content because people can claim that it was stolen content when it wasn't and Youtube doesn't know who to believe. Steem's blockchain technology allows for content to be stamped and recorded as the intellectual account of @SomeDudesAccount and then Some Dude can prove they own their own content.

Steem is able to solve a lot of the problems, such as advertising costs, data privacy and such. Steem is also improving the options available to webmasters for monetizing their sites and improving backlinking for blogs. Lots of cool stuff.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

I agree with you, there is a lot of stuff being developed in Steem to try and make it better so it's better than it already is. I think we just have to keep an eye on the path he's drawing so he does not deviate from his real goal.

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maquemali (62) · 6 years ago

Hello there @robertoueti!

Hmmmmmmm.. very interesting comparison, the internet over steem...

Well in my opinion, I think social media like facebook, youtube, tumblr and the likes have had problems because of too many users and that they lost control over. Yes copyright problems has surged up. Meanwhile, STEEM is a different blockchain. Its a different venue for different reasons. Its nothing like facebook, instagram or twitter. It had never even comes close.

Whoever has the power to rule may acquire the power of internet. Sadly, a lot has been wanting to get this power. Surely most of them just wanted to use it for personal interest. Its an internet war since then and up to present that is being sought out. Its a hard bargain and a bigger responsiblity to have.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

I will disagree about the problem in the mainstream social media is the huge quantity of users, since the censorship are doing by a few users and all the people in power of them. The government also could do it since the platform have one point of failure. However, I think that the problem of copyright is a lost control problem.
Thanks for sharing!

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straighttalk (51) · 6 years ago

Hello @robertoueti,
It feels great to know that you understand the internet isn't dying but evolving because even the very blockchain that steemit runs on is built on it.
Steemit has done a great work so far attaching new users however having been on the platform for a while I thinks that if Steemit wants to grow to its true & full potential; its should be completely decentralized. I have noticed a few big accounts calling the shots (with the power to build or destroy) and getting most of the action on this platform. This is provides an opportunity for the government or any institution of interest to explore, with the aim of controlling/censoring steemit in the future.

Regards always @crypto.piotr

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

I agree, we really need to find a solution to the full decentralization of the platform so that there is no problem of attempted censorship by governments and entities that do not like these decentralizations.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

As always, comment right to the point @straighttalk

I always love reading your responses buddy. So mature and knowledgable.

Piotr

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lanzjoseg (74) · 6 years ago

Very interesting your topic, I assume that you use the death words of the Internet as a true analogy.

Since in reality what I understand is that some platforms are going to stop being used as it were. and I think so, I'm an example of that since I'm in Steemit, I've left facebock and other platforms, of course there are interests, who does not like to be paid for something he likes. I like to read like that in steemit I enjoy much more than in facebock.

But I really liked your approach, I must multiply this publication.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Very interesting your topic, I assume that you use the death words of the Internet as a true analogy.

Yeap, you got it.
I'm happy to read that you like it.
Cheers!

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minerspost (48) · 6 years ago (edited)

The internet is one layer, then we had web 2.0 like Twitter Facebook and other centralized websites which attracted the majority of users. If you go to Alexa rankings you can see that most of the internet traffic goes to a very limited number of sites. Steemit is web 3.0, the decentralized web.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Indeed!
Thanks for the explanation.

sternblitz (51) · 6 years ago

Decentralization is very important nowadays, as the elite tries again and again to intervene and to tackle the anonymity of the Internet. I did not know that there are so many alternatives to Facebook, Twitter, etc., that was still new to me, so of course u have got an upvote - Very interesting contribution :)

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Thanks, you could see all the applications on steem blockchain in this link.
https://www.stateofthedapps.com/rankings/platform/steem
Hope that help you
Cheers!

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tysler (71) · 6 years ago (edited)

The Steem ecosystem is growing and it would shock the world and mainstream when they find out.

Almost comparable to the first days of Android, when they had just but a few apps and a device. Now it is part of something larger in the tech ecosystem with Google.

Steem as a social media token is creating a growing community and that also integrates what we have of Reddit and Quora. It runs on its own hardware and software at the same time.

Truly amazing of you think of it. :D

tysler

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

For sure, that is amazing when I see all the possibilities that Steem has...
I think in a few years we see a mass adoption over here on Steem.
Cheers!

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

I always enjoy reading your mature comments @tysler :)

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juanmolina (68) · 6 years ago

A very sensitive topic dear @robertoueti
I must divide the subject of this publication in two major aspects:
1.) The privacy of our data.
2.) The possible censorship.
I noticed that most of the comments were based only on the second one.

Regarding the first point, I can contribute saying that everything that we "upload" to the network, stays on the network. There it will be forever. On some server, those bytes of personal information will not disappear and may be accessed by someone at any time. I do not believe in those promises of privacy, of end-to-end data encryption, no.
So when the administration of a data server or social network alienates us with psychological propaganda and encourages us to put our personal, family or work information in a blog, it would be foolish to think that this information will not have an alternative "use".
The desire for total control, the need to control everything and everyone exists and is in powerful hands. States, governments ...
When we touch this topic, we only think about the fact that part of my published content will be blocked or hidden. Based on the first point, our information will only be visible to the public, but will remain in the hands of a third party.
An interesting aspect that arises once we are aware that our content will be blocked is the appearance of self-censorship.

Finally I think that blockchain and its decentralized nature gives us the new vision of the internet. Where the data is stored parts and can be accessed by all. There is its transparency. This would be the great obstacle to be overcome by the large social network corporations.f they want to adopt blockchain they must do it in all their splendor. Maybe that's why there's still no Facebook in blockchain.
You understand me?

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Totally understand... I think that you are totally correct. People in the State and Government will always try to have all the power that they can, and the information inside the blockchain maybe will help them, but... the censorship inside the blockchain it is a thing that maybe we don't have.
About the privacy, we can have that but also if we don't have caution, we can expose a lot of our information.
Thanks!

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Hi @juanmolina

What an amazingly long and mature comment :)

Thx for sharing your view with us. Appreciate.

You understand me?

Yes I think we do :)

Yours
Piotr

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nurseanne84 (62) · 6 years ago

@robertoueti, I read the post which was the source of "inspiration" (pardon me if its not the right term) for this article. Well, in my opinion, I do not believe that the internet is dying. IT IS EVOLVING.

More than a decade ago, our technology is not as savvy as it is today. We now have handheld devices (tablets, mobile phones, portable cameras) to use in our day to day life, so its logical that the social media became a popular source of communication in all aspects of our society. As opposed to visiting official webpages in the time when computers- desktop computers were the norms then.

I believe that the internet is evolving, accommodating and integrating our inventions and in the process, how we perceive the world wide web is also changing. Just look at all the products in steem hunt- you will see applications and gadgets that integrates the internet in a way or another either to call help, record or interact remotely. Which is a good basis of what the future of technology and the internet would look like.

The fear of having your privacy invaded using the social media like facebook , instagram or twitter is not new. In my opinion, hackers or those who have malicious or sinister intent will always find a way to extract details no matter what security measures you do. So in my opinion, oversharing in social media like frequent status updates, posting of pictures(with location tags) can be a big security risk. So, don't overshare.

Since we live in a time where almost everything is connected to the internet and thus there are cameras and microphones (voice activated devices), I suggest exercising vigilance in using them. I personally placed a cover (masking tape) over my computer lens to safe guard my privacy and my mobile phones and tablets have a casing that covers its lenses when not in use.In addition to that, I do not really leave my computer open or on idle mode when I am not using it.

In my opinion, extra vigilance is more important than relying on the security measures featured in the system because as I have been saying before, anything has a possibility to be hacked or damaged. Why would you worry if your system is hacked if there is no detailed personal information that a malicious individual could utilize to profile and steal your identity in the first place?

Let me just make this clear: STEEMIT though a decentralized platform is still functioning like any other social media account- though its like a one stop shop. There are a large array of things that we can do in the ecosystem and honestly, I am very thrilled. However, thinking that steemit is the future is not completely accurate I think because, as its popularity would increase and as people would adapt and patronize it, other people would try to immitate its concept and who knows, probably they will be able to create a better version than the original steemit?

Decentralization and cryptocurrency might be more generally be accepted by the governments in the future but, as we are witnessing now, they are now protecting their citizens for possible scammers or ponzi scams- take for example Australia who issued a detailed policy on the use, utilization and trade of cryptocurrency in their realm. In the Philippines where I live, the central bank of the Philippines also issued strict instructions on the this aspect. The concept of decentralized system is still there but, the governments over the world are adapting their systems to safe guard the safety of their citizens as well.

I just want to share this though its might not be related but, using decentralized system to dessiminate information which are favorable for a few people or governments is not entirely true as in my country, there are some who hire a lot of social media or tech savy people to improve their image. The concept of anonymity might initially be attractive to some but let's just look at bitcoin for instance- it has public record so, its still traceable.

I believe that it is our duty to create and make the steemit ecosystem more attractive to others. But let us not also forget that not everyone has the proclivity to be content creators and thus get frustrated because they do not seem to earn a lot from basic commenting, upvoting or re steeming. Thus the need for more attractive activities like playing games or watching videos might help make our platform more attractive.

Lastly, I am grateful to @crypto.piotr for giving this opportunity for me to share my opinion. Keep them coming!

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Wow! That is a huge comment with a huge quantity of information, so let's started...

Totally agree, the internet is not dying is evolving for something better and with more benefits, also agree that mobile devices helps the use of social media. I never was thought about the @steemhunt products and their necessity to be integrated with internet, thanks for open my eyes for that.
You said about the constant use about the status updates and thing like that is the mainstream social media, and here in Steem also we have a lot of issues with that, if the person don't have cautions, indeed, I think the problem is even worse since all your information will be in the blockchain forever after 7 days.
About the copy of the Steem and sometimes have something better, I totally agree with that. Until now, Steem is the better blockchain, of course we already have some forks of that, like whaleshares, but I think the Steem is the near future, not for always but for a few time, like Facebook was.

Thanks for sharing your point of view... Feel free to comeback anytime that you want.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Hi @nurseanne84

Wow. What an amazingly long and mature comment :)

Thx for sharing your view with us. Appreciate.

Lastly, I am grateful to @crypto.piotr for giving this opportunity for me to share my opinion. Keep them coming!

You welcome hihihihi :) Seriously BIG THX

Would you mind telling me what do you do for living? something related to blockchain? Your knowledge is just mind-blowing.

Yours
Piotr

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nurseanne84 (62) · 6 years ago

@crypto.piotr, I am a nurse by profession but I made it a point to educate myself with the whole crypto thing since its adaption is inevitable. In my spare time, I read- A LOT on various subjects.

I need to address every single relevant thing and, though I tried to "shorten" my comments, there really is no way for me to do that without scrimping on the explanation. I really enjoyed discussing things with people and to be honest with you- up vote and exposure aside, it was mentally stimulating- that in itself is a reward.

Thank you for your support. I would really appreciate your support since that is always my issue- I cannot post/ reply because I have a limited RC and SP. Just to be transparent, I also "applied" with @thedarkhorse for the same thing.

I don't really have any idea how things work here(on delegation department) so setting all the cards on the table is just the right thing to do in this case.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Thank you for another amazing comment @nurseanne84

I love reading your responses. Always so warm and supportive.

@crypto.piotr, I am a nurse by profession but I made it a point to educate myself with the whole crypto thing since its adaption is inevitable. In my spare time, I read- A LOT on various subjects.

Nurde? That would explain your amazing "people skills".

ps. I just realized that your RC level is 0 so I already delegated 40SP to you. Keep it till end of feb 2019 (I delegated 3500 SP to number of people until that date).

Yours
Piotr

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

hi again @nurseanne84

I noticed that you struggle with low RC and very little SP. did you ever consider powering up a little bit?

i value your work on Steemit a lot and perhaps I could help? I delegated over 3000 SP to group of 80-90 people (delegations until end of feb). Would you like me to support you with 40SP delegation for that period of time?

Yours
Piotr

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nachomolina (68) · 6 years ago (edited)

Congratulations
Excellent publication!
As a creator of original and quality content, I am pleased to use the Steemit.com platform and several other spaces that Steem blockchain offers. I think that every human being has the need to express himself openly using the means that suit him best. Whether they are lovers of writing, music, photography, crypto content, etc. Everyone must have a favorite space ...
We carry within us a wealth of valuable and recollected information over the years, which is the product of our effort, study and research; No one can interfere with our TEACHING-LEARNING process, which complements us as people and allows us to improve ourselves ...
Censorship in social networks is not only aimed at classifying the content and moderating the opinion matrix that may arise at a specific moment in relation to a sensitive topic, but also manages to stop our ability to respond to the world around us, It limits our field of action and our free will.
It may seem that the centralization of the Internet and the means of exchange of information is something isolated from the action of governments and their laws, but in reality what it seeks is to create beings without opinion or point of view; automaton individuals who have no voice, who have no constructive point of view, human beings who go blind in the world without fundamental human rights such as: Freedom of Expression, among others ...

It is an honor to participate in this forum, it has been a pleasant experience for me.

Thanks to: @robertoueti & @crypto.piotr

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

I agree in every way.
The lack of freedom of expression causes people to become stagnant psychologically because they can not increase their capacity for understanding and knowledge, thus ensuring people easier to control.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Wow @nachomolina!

You're back! Im so glad to see you're again on Steemit buddy.

Are you back for good?

Yours
Piotr

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https://steemit.com/steemit/@quillfire/down-voting-as-censorship-a-series-about-fixing-steemit-part-2

quillfire (61) · 6 years ago (edited)

@robertoueti & @crypto.piotr:

Hi Robert.

Personally, I'm not much concerned about government censorship unless it's terrorism/crime related in which case I wouldn't object to the censorship. I'm a BIG Freedom of Speech proponent ... but I'm not an ideologue. There's a lot of conspiracy theorists in crypto-land and it's important to separate the hyperbole from honest discussions about protecting Freedom of Speech.

As an intellectual exercise, would anyone care to hyperlink a single post currently on Steemit (irrespective of age) that they believe the "US Government" would be interested in "censoring."

(I specify the "US Government" as what other government would have, realistically, the Power To Compel censorship other than the US Government?)

The far greater threat respecting censorship comes from non-government actors ... ideologues and activists, of one stripe or another, attempting to de-platform speech expressing ideas with which they disagree. Traditional social media platforms are ripe with such initiatives and Steemit is replete with 'abusive flagging' of just such a character.

I wrote a post on this very subject and proffered a proposal on how to prevent Abusive Down-Voting on the blockchain:

It was part of a Series of Articles about reforming STEEM/Steemit. Below is a hyperlink to the primary Reform Article (it was 'swarmed' by a Witness Group and became the 7th 'Most-Commented-On' post on the blockchain), but it contains all the Series' hyperlinks:

https://steemit.com/steemit/@quillfire/central-premise-and-proposals-a-series-about-fixing-steemit-part-4

Quill

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Thanks for the great information, I'll read the posts and then I'll make more precise comments; D
Cheers!

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Thank you @quillfire for dropping by and your valuable comment

I'm not much concerned about government censorship unless it's terrorism/crime related in which case I wouldn't object to the censorship

Aren't you afraid of being accused of "hate speach" or breaking the law because you would criticize migration? Those are heavy crimes in many countries.

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quillfire (61) · 6 years ago

@crypto.piotr,

George Orwell's, "1984:" If you haven't read it, read it. If you haven't read it in a while, read it again.

The first act of ideologues, irrespective of the ideology, is to 'control the language' ... for words are the containers of ideas. Ever-increasing allegations of "Hate Speech" are being used as instruments of coercion to silence voices challenging the axioms of ideologies. I am a child of the Enlightenment: I make no assertion-as-fact, on any subject, that cannot be rationalized with supporting evidence. I demand the same of others.

Western societies are quickly becoming Theaters of the Absurd. Logic and reason are themselves under assault. And yet, the Silent Majority remains true to its moniker, Silent. A Culture of Cowardice has been created and we must each decide whether we will capitulate. I will not.

Quill

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

I never really had a chance to read it @quillfire

Isn't quite old book? I know it's very trendy and popular, but is it still worth reading in current days?

Western societies are quickly becoming Theaters of the Absurd.

Very true. I wonder how things will change if more Nationalists parties will grow in power.

Yours
Piotr

quillfire (61) · 6 years ago

@crypto.piotr,

...but is it still worth reading in current days?

It is the one book I would recommend above all others. I re-read it this summer. I had not read it since high school (I just turned 51). I was astonished. Orwell was prophetic.

Quill

crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

hi @quillfire

I bet I have no other choice but to give it a try :)

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girlbeforemirror (66) · 6 years ago

The number of people who think "Big brother" is a reality TV show, with no concept of the origin of the phrase is a bit scary to me.
Talking of Orwell, Animal farm, is a good one too. It has a Napoleon character, so perhaps I have blundered into a quill of fire bringing it up, but it too is a reference to social and political constraints abuse control etc. Not a tough read either but insightful nonetheless.

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Im glad to see that you're so very responsive @girlbeforemirror :)

Yours, Piotr

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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/communist-manifesto-among-top-three-books-assigned-in-college-2016-01-27

quillfire (61) · 6 years ago

@girlbeforemirror,

Your Big Brother comment ... you're right and it's frightening. People take the Western 'way of life' for granted ... as if it were the default setting for humanity. It is not. It is a MASSIVE exception to the rule and not just historically ... contemporarily.

Animal Farm had a huge impact on me when I read it in Middle/High School (I forget which one) ... but I was so traumatized by what happened to Boxer (the horse), that it overwhelmed the rest of the story. (I grew up on a horse farm and horses are a part of my soul.)

I suppose I ought to go back and re-read it but the negative emotional memory is still palpable so I'd have to force myself.

FunFacts:

Animal Farm, once a classic in all school systems, has been removed from many for fear that it might 'unfairly prejudice people against Socialism.'
The Communist Manifesto is now the third most widely assigned book by US university professors and Marx's, Das Kapital, is not far behind. Taken together, no other book, on any subject, even comes close. The death toll of Communist regimes make the Nazis look like rank amateurs. When I rail on about the dangers of ideologues ... this is what I'm talking about. Utopia ... people never learn.

Unlike the rest of the West, in France Napoleon has always been, and still is, greatly admired (a sentiment with which I concur as I believe his 'negative rap' was hugely biased by anglophone historians). Anyway, when the book was published, France passed a law making it illegal to name pigs, in honor of Orwell's character, Napoleon. I have some doubts about their ability to enforce the law and wouldn't be surprised if thousands of pigs were so named because of it. :-)

Quill

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carbodexkim (55) · 6 years ago

I do not know. Privacy If Steemit privacy. The first stage of registration is a photo. This is no longer privacy. It is also not easy to process any notes. I remember writing an article about a cryptocurrency project. A robat tried to give me a ban for the fact that the name of the project seems to be with sports equipment. I then cursed for a long time in the discord about this.

There is control in decentralized networks. So I do not think that there is a big difference. I see it.

Even the moment that there copyright diligently track. What is a decentralized network if we are dependent on the external Internet.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

When we talk about Steemit, I agree, but when we look at Steem's blockchain, I have to disagree. I can create an account called @abcdefg and never put a photo by creating an account through steemmonsters for example.
About the robot, what was this robot? Normally, if it's @cheetah it's just a robot that keeps people from fully copying what the others said, thus ensuring that people who do plagiarism can not get so much peace (I'm not saying you did, I'm just commenting that there are some robots that analyze the posts in search of similar ones).
Thanks for sharing.

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caribehub (50) · 6 years ago

Hi @robertoueti. I think that as long as we have access to networks like steemit, censorship Will be difficult. On the other hand these networks are not profitable at all for content creators, unless you also sell your content for a higher price without depending on "votes". Example: an ebook, premium content, affiliate marketing and so on.

Thanks to @crypto.piotr for showing me this wonderful post. I'm sure that all the discussion here will bring lot of ideas

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

It depends. I think that is profitable for people who understand how the things works here. Like, @coruscate, which have a good quantity of tokens doing videos and put it into blockchain of steem using the d.tube.
Thanks for sharing!

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caribehub (50) · 6 years ago

Hi @robertoueti. Well you're right. It depends.

I watched coruscate's blog to check her earnings to do some math. Her average earning per post is $13. If I have that amount i would get around $400 per month, probably spending a lot of time creating posts. I can't be a breakeven with such amount because my personal expenses are higher, for that reason I still have job.

Take into account that an average person like me can't get $13 per post. At most $5 with the current steem price. Therefore is necessary to evaluate other options, like trading or investing in crypto by using salary income.

I'm also considering selling digital stuff, maybe i will try openbazar software.

Interesting discussion!

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

For sure.
You can have more rewards delegating for somebody with can give you steem for your SP delegated. In that order you can have increase in you profit, but of course, it's really difficult to live just with steem blog.
Thanks for sharing!
Cheers!

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chireerocks (72) · 6 years ago

@robertoueti, Without any doubt Steem have all those platforms which can give diverisified experience and opportunities to diverisified individuals and for sure it's under the less voice, but in future, in my opinion Steem can become revolutionary platform. And i am waiting for the big success of Steem and as an Full Time Steemian and Steem Enthusiast i have to participate in both downfall and High Times. Stay blessed brother. 🙂

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

The Steem is already succeeding in my opinion, since it give us voice and freedom speech. Maybe in a few years we will see a mass using that, and it will be wonderful!

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chireerocks (72) · 6 years ago

Yes. Let's hope for the best and Mass adoption will going to make Steem an Brand. Have a blessed time ahead. 🙂

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sacra97 (71) · 6 years ago

I had a lot of fun on other platforms like facebook, I had a game farm for more than 5 years and I just closed it, I knew that day would come, I would grow so much that my computer would not give anymore, I do not plan to leave the other networks, facebook keeps me in touch with my relatives in Spain, if they get married, if our elders die, it is a faster means as much as a flame, there are games that clear my mind in times of writer's bottleneck. The tweet helps me to claim the faults of the services in my area, it has given me excellent results, it seems that I achieve something if I complain, if I complain. Before I did not, I did not know anything about this world. @robertoueti

Me diverti mucho en otras plataformas como facebook, tuve una granja de juego por mas de 5 años y acabo de cerrarla, sabia que ese dia iba a llegar, creceria tanto que mi computadora ya no diera más, no pienso abandonar las otras redes, el facebook me mantiene en contacto con mis familiares en España, si se casan, si fallecen nuestros mayores, es un medio mas rapido tanto como una llama, hay juegos que me despejan la mente en los momentos de embotellamiento de escritor. El twiter me sirve para reclamar las fallas de los servicios en mi zona, me ha dado excelente resultados, parece que logro algo si reclamo, si me quejo. Antes no lo hacia no conocia nada de este mundo.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

I always complained that Facebook was not transparent with people, but I had never found a place where I could actually migrate, until I found the Stech blockchain, a place where I can actually see people with a high degree of knowledge sharing the information .
I believe that in a few years we will be able to see Steem as that platform for nerds and people who care too much about transparency but who millions use.
Time will tell whether the centering flame will go out or stay lit

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surika (49) · 6 years ago

Suggested by @crypto.piotr to come and comment, I have read most of what has been written here @robertoueti . I think it's a good publication.

It is good that we are all aware of this new frontier. We are all important in this decentralized information platform. We have to fight for freedom and out of dictatorial controls.

Friend I do not know much about these issues. I hope that Steem will continue to move towards greater decentralisation.

I sit in an ocean with pure sharks, trying to do something productive, which for me is an uphill work since I have no voting power, as a result of that adjustments they made in Steemit a few months ago.
I support you, people who know a lot about this business and want to do everything in a more correct way. Many greetings.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Do not feel like you are in a sea of sharks, but rather, in a place like the coral of the movie "Finding Nemo", where there are thousands of little fish helping themselves and living in the community. There are the big boys and the little ones but they all help each other the way they can. This is the spirit you need to have, we are all here to learn and understand the platform better, to the point that it is expanded to the masses.
Thanks for sharing.

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udow (61) · 6 years ago

"Because of this, I believe it is the duty of all Steem users to show their benefits to people and try to bring in new users so that we can ensure that they can have all its benefits and we can further increase curators and creators of content."

Yes, but you should be ready and able to support this new user, because alone they are lost.
I know from cases (I think it's normal now), that user wait for more than one month to get account from steemit. They just don't open account also if they write something from 1-2 weeks at their homepage and also give no message what is the problem.
How can I recommend somebody this way ?
Facebook would already doesn't exist anymore if they need more than one month to create new account.
Also if you get new account you have problems with resource credits, that you cannot post, even not answer replies to your own posts. I had this problems in massive way myself and can now only post free because I get delegation from nice steemians.
I think most people will just not wait more than one month to get new account and the rest who start after very long waiting period will be very soon sweeped out from steemit because of resource credits.
This people will speak probably very bad about steemit in future and so I think in the moment it's no good idea to bring people the "normal" way to steemit.
But in my opinion you can gain people for steemit and make them even enthusiastic, but for this you need to open them account ( you can f.e. bus at steemworld for 3 Steem or if you have at least 5000 Steempower for resource credits) AND delegate them atleast 200 Steempower, so that they can post like at Facebook and are not limitet by resource credit's very soon.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

We certainly have an immense barrier to entry for new users. That's why all the people I've called the assistance platform, or until they leave and do not post anymore, or until they understand the process and how the platform works.
I believe that in the near future we will have some method of creating account faster and that is done for free, but by then, we will really have a big problem for new entrants.

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udow (61) · 6 years ago

"or until they understand the process and how the platform works."
I understood the process quite quick and done some posts to this topic. In the end their was some user who just delegate me Steempower, so that I have enough resource credits to post and comment. I think without this I would have been gone already. Especially because first some people tell me, that it's good system because it prevents spam. I was really short before to leave and than one nice steemian, who had himself not much Steempower delegate me 10 Steempower (I have only 4 SP to this time and 4 SP delegated by Steemit) - so I saw that their are also other people and than some more nice steemians delegate me Steempower, so that now I can post free.
Believe me it is really very frustrating when you post something, somebody reply to your post and you cannot answer because of resource credit's - I think, that only very few people will accept this.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

I agree, so I try to delegate some people some SP to help them on the platform, it's not much but 25SP for beginners is enough to post a few times and comment on some posts.
I would be frustrated too, so I believe we have to find a way to circumvent these RC problems, but as long as we can not ... the bills that can, should help small ones with potential. At least I believe it should be.

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udow (61) · 6 years ago

I think one solution would be to make it possible to delegate also resource credits. Because many people don't want to delegate Steempower, because they don't want to reduce their own voting power, but often they have so much resource credits, that it would be no problem to delegate resource credits.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

That could totally help. I never seem in that way, thanks for open my eyes for that point of view.
Cheers!

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

ps. I hope you don't mind @robertoueti that I will bring some traffic to your post as Im very interested with this topic.

Would you have time to reply to comments?

Yours
Piotr

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wakeupkitty (76) · 6 years ago

I am not able to leave a comment at his post. I think it was not my answer that was too long, but the post all together are

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

how come @wakeupkitty ? :/

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wakeupkitty (76) · 6 years ago

It beats me a black screen popped up with some message about too long... each time I tried to comment. Only as I commented someone elses comment at this post I was able to do so.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

I don't mind, on the opposite, I like it more traffic. ;)

I have a few time, don't worry, let's discuss more about.

Cheers!

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@pangoli:
https://steemit.com/life/@pangoli/yysnqeg-you-re-not-good-enough-to-be-discouraged

crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago (edited)

Good morning @robertoueti

It seem that Ive managed to get you some extra traffic and several valuable people did drop some valuable comment :) Im glad to see that.

Hope you're enjoying and replying to everyone :)

Perhaps you could also drop few comments in different topics and engage with other authors Im trying to promote?

That would help me to establish more healthy connection between you guys.

@hobo.media:
https://steemit.com/steem/@hobo.media/would-mass-adoption-make-steem-more-equal

And also please check out my latest post and drop some comment too :)

Cheers buddy
Piotr

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

For sure @crypto.piotr,
I will checkout these links also your post and give a few comments about.
Thanks for giving me more visibility in the Steem
Cheers!

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

Thanks for being so responsive to those people @robertoueti :)

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago (edited)

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crypto.piotr (70) · 6 years ago

One more question @robertoueti

Would you mind telling me what do you do for living? Your knowledge is simply mind-blowing.

ps. drop me some message on my email please: [email protected]

I would love to be able to keep in touch closer ourside Steemit
Piotr

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

Of couse man. I will answer you in the email ;)
Cheers!

mintymile (67) · 6 years ago

I have to explore all those app in steem, so yeah good that I learned about them through your blog.

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

I feel grateful when I help people to understand more the blockchain platform!

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sudutpandang (65) · 6 years ago (edited)

Thank you for sharing @robertoueti, I am happy to hear this, and I agree.

And #steemit already has what Google has, and it's perfect.

So far I have not only thought about how to increase #steemit users, but we also have to think about how to maintain those who are already users. that's what I feel in my community in Indonesia. Because some of the novice users feel that #steemit is like a ghost town, that's what needs to be changed by people who have large #steem assets on #steemit , and this should also be their concern, but sometimes they stand by when all has disappeared ... 😊

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pennsif (79) · 6 years ago

This post has been included in the latest edition of SOS Daily News - a digest of all you need to know about the State of Steem.

Editor of the The State of Steem SoS Daily News.
Promoter of The State of Steem SoS Weekly Forums.
Editor of the weekly listing of steem radio shows, podcasts & social broadcasts.
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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

WOW! Thanks man!
That is a honor!

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jenina619 (69) · 6 years ago

It is @partiko 😉

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arcange (73) · 6 years ago

Congratulations @robertoueti!
Your post was mentioned in the Steem Hit Parade in the following category:

Comments - Ranked 7 with 77 comments

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robertoueti (67) · 6 years ago

I never thought that one day I will be in the most comments posts. Thanks @arcange.

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arcange (73) · 6 years ago

You're welcome. Well done !

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