Obstacles to Steem adoption

steevc (73) · 5 years ago

Yet a lot of people who are not involved in the various feuds continue to use it. It's easy to get lost in the fights and negativity, but that is only part of the story. Still, it will put people off. Latest blackmail memos will not help matters.

whatsup (75) · 5 years ago

Weaknesses of DPOS, there are also strengths though

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lucylin (67) · 5 years ago

so I guess we hope for thick skinned, self starters who aren't impacted a lot by other people's judgements. :)

.....thats greenpeace and extinction rebellion ruled out then!

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whatsup (75) · 5 years ago

I hope the friendly jesting came through in my comment. I love our dysfunctional little family, but I clearly see how odd it looks to others.

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lucylin (67) · 5 years ago

Dysfunctional?
You think? lol

slobberchops (74) · 5 years ago

Something alien, I guess, though I took to it like a duck to water. I'm not normal though ;)

khaleelkazi (75) · 5 years ago

Totally agree with all of these barriers you brought up. I spend a lot of time talking to people IRL about Steem and getting them an account and trying to walk them through it.

The process is arduous, but occasionally I can get someone to make a post or two. I managed to pull together a lot of the common questions and put together this page — https://Steemleo.com/faq

Now when I sign someone up, they get a Steem account, a link to that page and I answer all their other questions over text, of course. I try to down play Steem as much as I can — in the sense that I don’t try to explain everything on Steem to them, I just explain what Steemleo is and I mention that it runs thanks to a technology called the Steem blockchain — similar to how people explain what a website or what social media is today — Twitter is a social media app.. but they don’t tell their new users everything about the internet that it runs on. What you see is twitter and that’s what matters to twitter users.

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steevc (73) · 5 years ago

The Leo FAQ looks a lot like the Steemit one. I see Leo doing some good stuff like the store, but I tend to use Steempeak as I want to see all posts.

Steem is hard to explain and when you add tribes to the mix they may give up. We need ways to ease people into posting here. Once they grasp the concepts they can branch out.

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pennsif (79) · 5 years ago

All good points. All ones I agree with.

detlev (73) · 5 years ago

Hi @steevc

a few very good points and sadly I had to agree to many points.

The user-interface and onboarding SUCKS

But couldn't this be changed?

captainklaus (64) · 5 years ago

@steempeak made a new explore page on their beta.steempeak.com

I love it; it's the first view that is less confusing and rather comprehensive.
I hope we'll have a landing page like this one day.

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detlev (73) · 5 years ago

wow, this feels way better as old school steemit.com

captainklaus (64) · 5 years ago

those guys are doing a fantastic job! I never looked back at steemit.

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steevc (73) · 5 years ago

We have several ways to access Steem now and some improve a lot on Steemit. I think Steemit Inc have said they just wanted to provide a reference site and let others do their own thing to offer a better experience.

We do need tools to make it easier to set up new users. I create accounts with Steempeak and Steem World, but they really need to change the keys and that is not simple.

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detlev (73) · 5 years ago

Fully agree. This is not what an typical artist can handle - or even care about.

I set it up for they and tell them just post as before on Insta....

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captainklaus (64) · 5 years ago

Maybe an account should be setup including keychain; then the users would only need their own PW to access that...

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steevc (73) · 5 years ago

A trusted party could wrap Steem so that users can just use a password, but it should force them to change the keys and take control once they reach a certain amount of Steem. For now you only need to set up Keychain once anyway. I would hope there's a decent tutorial on that somewhere.

captainklaus (64) · 5 years ago

A trusted party could wrap Steem so that users can just use a password

maybe account creation could be implemented into keychain?

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bashadow (65) · 5 years ago

All some good points, but one of the most important, (at least I think so), is the world reach. I don't know if 3speak, or dtube ever have not available in your region, when it comes to video sharing, I have seen that a lot on video's that are linked in steem post.

You mention Facebook, I don't face book and very rarely visit a facebook page, so a question. How many people in different countries do you visit on a regular basis on face book? Russia? Kenya? Argentina? Poland? Portugal? Bali? Venezuela? Nigeria? Slovakia? Are all those peoples and countries as easily accessible on face book as on steem? I know I get a lot of Not available in your region messages from Youtube when visiting videos posted by people in countries other than America. I know facebook and yt are also world wide, but is seeing and finding post and pages from them as easy on facebook as it is on steem block chain?

People talk about content discovery on SBC, but I have no difficulty finding things from different areas of the world, and with google translate, and many post being made in multiple languages, is that not one of the greatest strength of SBC? If I do a search for anything on google most results are American centric to me, I do not get results often from other countries unless I put the country name in the search.

steevc (73) · 5 years ago

I think Youtube are very sensitive to controlling who can watch what where as they need to stay friendly with the media companies. If 3speak and dtube break the laws they could find local law enforcement on their door. It's a hard system to fight as the companies have paid politicians to fight their case.

I use Facebook where it is useful, i.e. to stay in touch with some friends and organise events. I don't look too much at stuff from abroad.

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my451r (67) · 5 years ago

In the past many of my friends were active on the Steemit platform. but now they are leaving steemit. there are a variety of reasons they leave. One reason, they see a lot of posts on only accounts that have high steempower who get votes. whereas those who just joined are not appreciated. And I think this is unfair for users who don't have high power. I used to hope that this platform would develop and support every user.

steevc (73) · 5 years ago

I keep saying the votes need to be distributed better. Those who just vote for their friends or maximum rewards do not help matters.

robertandrew (67) · 5 years ago

Great post.

I do think we need some big names come on Steem. Like a Jake Paul or Pew Di Pie. Those are just thrown off the top pf my head. There may be big names who are more suitable for our platform than those two.

But my point is we need to build the brand outward and upward and getting a few big YTers would NOT hurt.

steevc (73) · 5 years ago

Pew Die Pie joined DLive, but I'm not sure how much good it did them. Any of these people with millions of followers could transform Steem, but do they want it to have a bigger audience first? I see more potential with those who have a few thousand followers and could do with earning something.

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revisesociology (73) · 5 years ago

Very well summarised.

How about 'it's hard to make it not sound like a Ponzi scheme'.

There was some really interesting chat yesterday in the Witness Forum about the language sounding childish and/ or cultish too - Power Up and Witness for example....

The learning curve was also mentioned, although hopefully with Dapps this won't be such a big deal - as they develop, using Steem should hopefully become a bit more intuitive.

steevc (73) · 5 years ago

It is hard to explain how people can get paid with no ads or anyone paying in. I tend to phase out when people start explaining the intricacies of Steem finance.

I have thought that the sites could pop up help for new users suggesting things they could do. Remember Microsoft Clippy? Of course it should be easy to turn off, but it is not always obvious what to do. We need some good user experience people on the project teams.

d-pend (73) · 5 years ago

I have talked about implementing gamification on STEEM front end quite a lot with close friends. Basically, make it feel exciting and vivid to use the blockchain. Sound effects, visual effects are often looked down upon by devs as “shallow eye candy,” but the look and feel of a system being pleasing is what matters to users. This is what is known as UX or User Experience.

If I were to develop anything to run a blockchain like STEEM, it would be treated like a video game, modular in build so it could run from top-of-the-line specs and VR all the way down to super-basic laptops. Basically a software approach instead of website, though the web client could be a gimped version of it.

jrcornel (84) · 5 years ago

Perhaps you should get to building. :)

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revisesociology (73) · 5 years ago

Pop ups are a nice idea!

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quotes-haven (69) · 5 years ago

You summed it up nicely.

It is not easy to get going on Steem. It takes a long time, and a lot of patience to build a following. To spend hours on a post for a couple of cents. That just does not make economical sense. Quality posts do not guarantee a good return. After a couple of that, people will just give up.

I am still here because I am retired, and Steem gives me something to do. If I have a regular job, I would have left a long time ago.

steevc (73) · 5 years ago

Having fun with Steem is important. I was earning a lot of money previously, but now it could be said to not be worth my time, but I enjoy the community and I made a lot of friends here.

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quotes-haven (69) · 5 years ago

I agree with you that having fun on Steem is important. Otherwise, it would be a drag. 😊 I am happy to hear you made a lot of friends here. !trdo

bozz (70) · 5 years ago

I was having a good conversation with my brother in law about this the other day. We were mainly talking about Splinterlands and how they are supposed to have a mobile app out soon. He might actually get an account if that ends up happening. The barriers to entry are still way to high for common people and we are not going to see mass adoption until those are gone. I think Steem Keychain is a good step towards that.

steevc (73) · 5 years ago

It looks like there could be more people playing the games than doing the social stuff. I think the games should make it simple to blog about battles and stuff and highlight good posts others are doing.

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bozz (70) · 5 years ago

Yeah, I would like to see a version of EOS Knights on the STEEM blockchain.

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johnspalding (62) · 5 years ago

I think the app is out today.

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shadowspub (70) · 5 years ago

some good points here @steevc

There is a Witness Chat in The Ramble tomorrow and one of the topics of discussion will be a bit of a brainstorming session about new user experience as Steemit Inc is wanting to work on improving that situation.

Going to keep this post open to explore more thoroughly.
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steevc (73) · 5 years ago

Steemit have gone quiet again lately after talking up SMTs and communities. People want to see more signs they care about the platform. We keep waiting for them to do some marketing. Years are passing and other things will steal the show. I still see potential in Steem and I'll stick around because it's fun.

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chekohler (70) · 5 years ago

I think you've summed up the major issues people have pretty well but I say they can all be fixed except for the last one thats going to take some time to dilute stake as people sell into the demand and grow from the inflation.

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skepticology (57) · 5 years ago

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steevc (73) · 5 years ago

There is no totally fair system and what we have could work, after it was already tweaked. A lot of the issues are to do with the people. I do my best to support those who need it, but some others just care about profit when they are probably not desperate for money. I want more people to have the possibility to earn.

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skepticology (57) · 5 years ago

The current system is notably unfair in the way that curation returns are disproportionately awarded to the quickest automated bot voters instead of manual curators, which is the opposite result of the stated intention to change the complex curation reward algorithm during the last major fork to reward manual curation.

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steevc (73) · 5 years ago

I was not in favour of reducing the voting period. They should do what they can to encourage manual voting. I don't fish for curation rewards.

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