Another day another drama

in steem •  6 years ago  (edited)

So, Steemit Inc is starting a power down of 34 million Steem and people are panicking. Isn't this what people wanted to happen with that ninja mine rather than have it hang over the head of Steem like the sword of Damacles? Panic? Really? Why so? Sure, if all of that steem was dumped onto the market it would likely crash the price considerably but then, who can and who is buying it when it is at 5-10 cents, there would be a lot of new large accounts in the water and at those prices, they would be expecting that there is a future of them going up again.

Of course, it isn't great for the view of Steem because even in the comments section of @therealwolf's post, people are confusing the two. Steemit is not Steem. Steemit.com can die, Stinc can sell all of its stake and the price can crash but, the blockchain keeps on keeping on as long as there are witnesses to process transactions and transactions being made. In the long-term view, Stinc not controlling that stake is in Steem's best interest, the short-term might be different however.

While the stake is there, it is some what of an emergency account that could be used to stop all kinds of issues, especially with the witness voting, if like I questioned in my last post, Bittrex lost control of keys and 49 million Steem got powered up and allocated. Stinc do not vote for witnesses - at least not directly.

The fear and panic that people is not because (at least for most) their lives are in danger if Steem fails, it is pure economic consideration, they fear losing what they have here, they fear not being able to sell in time, they fear that what they have worked for will be for nothing. I have the same fears of course but, why would that stop me? The value here is not in the certainty of having Steemit Inc hold stake and promises, it is in the uncertainty whether a community can create itself around an economic model without an authority. Steemit Inc has to lose control eventually.

Rip the bandaid off fast in my book and feel a little pain while there are only a few thousand accounts here. It is better to get alll of this over and done with before there are millions right? Some will argue that the millions won't come due to the uncertainty but that would only be if the applications stop developing for them on Steem. Some might very well choose this and while I think that would be there mistake, they are entitled to do what they think is best for their business with the stake they control.

Having said that, Steemit Inc said about moving the stake to secure wallets and considering the amount and what is going on, is that such an outrageous plan? I know many others that have done the same and split their stake in various ways for security reasons. On top of this reason, there has of course been the idea floating around for a very long time that Steemit Inc could get forked out from the project entirely. It is possible, however unlikely.

There is also no word on what is going to happen with it and while some projects were de-delegated by @misterdelegation some hours ago, other projects held their delegations from that same account. There are many reasons why these things could be happening at the moment and perhaps that is the problem, Steemit Inc aren't communicating it to the people on Steem but @ned himself isn't so forthcoming with the details of the private company he heads up so, isn't that to be expected?

There was no need for them to send this memo at all:

They of course know full well that people watch their accounts for any signs of movement and as soon as something happens, a flood of posts hit the blockchain. This would make the memo strategic in nature wouldn't it? Are the people posting Chicken Little's claiming the sky is falling or, is there something truly sinister in play? Hard to say but, I am sure there will be no shortage of theories and of course, all of the FUD spreaders inciting community knee-jerk reactions.

The only real action people can take is to powerdown and sell their stake which is of course going to do the exact thing that people are scared of Steemit Inc doing as there is 200 million odd Steem powered up at the moment. Interesting game at play isn't it?

For me personally, while I understand everyone wanting full transparency from @ned and Stinc, I am more of the stance that it is their stake and they can do with it as they wish because, that is what the blockchain allows. If it is okay for me to have my freedom and privacy on the blockchain if I choose, that by default gets extended to all others as well. Yep, they have a massive stake and what they do does effect everyone else on the blockchain but, that is the system in its current form. I wonder what would be said if instead of doing this they cast 30 witness votes instead?

Pretty annoying not to know what they are doing precisely perhaps but, what if revealing what they were doing would be a strategic failure that would cost us all? If you knew that later their bowing to the community pressure and revealing their plans cost you potentially millions, would you wish that they would have stayed quiet instead?

Everyday there are so many battle raging on Steem in various forms but the problem is, no one seems to know what war is being fought. As I keep saying, there are so many things going on with the industry and legislation at the moment as well as other projects that it is impossible to know where it will end up and for most, impossible to understand what is really at stake, what wars are actually being fought. For the most part, the community on Steem acts as expected, slaves to an authority complaining about the way they govern. Steemit Inc aren't a government, they just have a lot of stake.

Make your own decisions what to do with yours.

Taraz
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Well said, in all instances, @tarazkp.

The STEEM blockchain belongs to no one individual, or entity. Steemit Inc, on the other hand, is a privately held company. They really don't answer to anyone, as much as many of us would rather they did.

I suppose in a perfect world, Steemit Inc would be left to make their own decisions without people finding fault regardless of the turns they made because it's Steemit Inc's decisions to make, for good or ill, AND Steemit Inc would feel the need (because of who they are, not because of fear or coercion of STEEM users) to communicate more effectively knowing that the moves they make do effect so many of us to some degree or another.

However, that's not the world we're living in here, so we stay at square one. Everyone's stake is theirs to use as they see fit, and how that ends up roiling the reward pool is what happens. Meanwhile we deal with those who can't accept that as the way things are and either put up with their FUD, counter it somehow, or leave.

Making other people conform to how you would like them to act or be is kind of the antithesis of why blockchains, and more particular the crypto on them, sprung up in the first place. I think we all need to know that and keep it in mind as 2019 continues to roll forth.

Making other people conform to how you would like them to act or be is kind of the antithesis of why blockchains, and more particular the crypto on them, sprung up in the first place.

People only want freedom for themselves and expect others to conform to different standards. Standards that benefit themselves at the cost of others.

Honestly, I'm not sure that transparency from Ned would make any difference at all, and could possibly be harmful. We know that when Steemit announced the layoffs, Steem was suddenly in the media again.

I've worked for companies that straight out told their employees that they weren't being sold, only for the next day official announcements of a sale coming out. CEOs and companies can rarely be fully transparent, the legalities and effects on investors prohibit a large degree of truthfulness.

While I'm super sad to see SndBox and Musing lose their delegations, this is just another example of why the dApps need to run themselves as independent businesses and not rely on any one stakeholder for their profitability. A tough lesson, for sure.

Honestly, I'm not sure that transparency from Ned would make any difference at all, and could possibly be harmful.

Anything he will ever say from this point on will be twisted by some people.

CEOs and companies can rarely be fully transparent, the legalities and effects on investors prohibit a large degree of truthfulness.

In my experience this is the case.

While I'm super sad to see SndBox and Musing lose their delegations, this is just another example of why the dApps need to run themselves as independent businesses and not rely on any one stakeholder for their profitability. A tough lesson, for sure.

I was going to get into this in another post but it is something that has been warned about for a long time. I suspect that they might not lose their delegations for long though, maybe a reshuffle.

  ·  6 years ago (edited)

SMTs and an exchange for SMT tokens would have solvd dApp's reliant on delegation problem but alas.

Yes and in 13 weeks the company will not have any stake at all. Power to the people! More left for us...

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I have a feeling that it isn't going to all be sold off.

Maybe not reacting much to such events is good for me in a way. I just read that zen kind of book that said among other things:

'When you can do nothing about it, drink a cup of tea'

Meaning situation might change without you acting and it's better that you take no bad actions. Just wait. And know the moment to act when it comes.

Not being completely zen myself, I try to do things in a way that still brings me something. Creating value on the Steem blockchain that is still valuable to me outside the Steem blockchain. Materials, contacts, friends, knowledge - things even a MasterCard can't buy.

'When you can do nothing about it, drink a cup of tea'

Not bad advice, I generally find something active too.

Creating value on the Steem blockchain that is still valuable to me outside the Steem blockchain. Materials, contacts, friends, knowledge - things even a MasterCard can't buy.

The chain doesn't stop producing blocks and there is a lot one can do in the meantime.

Not bad advice, I generally find something active too.

The story behind it and the whole meaning was more like: 'There are overwhelming odds against us. Let's wait and see what happens without rushing to our deaths (do something harmful). Then perhaps some problems will resolve without our interference. Perhaps a moment will appear when we can do something and then we act. '

Perhaps another twist in the road...wherever it is leading. hanks @tarazkp

Personally, I don't think that it is such a big issue at this point.

my o my...hope transparency shows up to save the day.
joy

didn't you see the transaction on the blockchain? that is blockchain transparency, it doesn't read minds...yet.

i meant from @ned and others...
hoping for the best....

I am one of the few people that thinks they don't have to explain themselves if they don't want.

yep...lol
i always wanted a newsletter link in the q&a
so newbies and oldies are on the same page.
no one can read a million posts of opinions and the
workers have no honest report.
i just started my own business...so just learning business
ethics. :)
joy

Spoken like any good authoritarian....lol

same. It's their money they can do whatever the heck they want.

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Of course its their stake and they can do anything they wish. Needless to give any info nor explanation as none of us does with their stake.

But a”possible” sell off of such big amounts would most likely crash the price. Maybe at a level which will take double the years we expected...to climb and be stable at certain levels.

Ps. If almost 2.5 mil SP every week is dumped...that means for the next three months price will keep declining...so maybe tether or any stable coin sounds as a good idea(?) to possibly double your stake. For the long run users - believers

But a”possible” sell off of such big amounts would most likely crash the price. Maybe at a level which will take double the years we expected...to climb and be stable at certain levels.

Potentially it would but then, I don't think that they will do that anyway. However, it is part of the game to see if one can sell higher and catch a low. eventually people will miss their buy ins though.

Business as usual then.I can't change anything that is happening so continuing on my merry way.

yep, pretty much :)

I do think that @ned is gone and they haven’t announced succession which is leading to these poor decisions. Maybe they have also sold their stake to another Company? I think the latter two would be great news considering the last three months! It has me thinking about having some more funds ready to jump into Orca status!

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I don't remember who, but I read somebody else opine that Ned might be out because he was so adamantly against ads; but either way it's just speculation since stinc is about as transparent as lead.
I'll just keep swimming, just keep swimming...

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Maybe they have also sold their stake to another Company?

This is possible perhaps, I don't think ned is out though.

The worst that can the happen the price will be lower.

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if that is the worst, I am all for it :D

;)

Totally agree with you. Consider it spring cleaning... ...before spring.

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Not an life ending event at any rate.

Yes, sounds like sensible financial house-keeping to me. There have been a few minor squeaks about a hardfork on the ninja mine which, as remote a possibility that might be, you'd shift it just in case (well I would!).

I can't see a big sale; not at these prices, but in any case, it would be good to do the dirty washing now rather than later as you say, if they do intend to shift some.

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I think I mentioned forking them out a year or so back but I think it has always been in the conversations as a what if. It isn't going to happen though as I do not see witnesses agreeing to it as to do it would kill steem imo. It would be theft, no matter how they got the stake to begin with.

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.....if it's a dump to drop price, , and then buy back later...it's a good sign for steem, as they know something we don't (that wouldn't be too difficult).
It also would really change the controlling powers of course

His father is a wall st banker - so they do know a bit about this stuff...

Of course the opposite could also be true.

Basically ....no one has any idea whatsover, so just enjoy the ride...

Stinc do not vote for witnesses - at least not directly.

I wouldn't be too sure about that....

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