글을 작성한 적도 없고, 평판은 25에, SP순위 1,221,743위.....이 fake 계정이 증인을 결정하고 있다.
(No posting , reputation 25, SP rank 1,221,743 ..... This fake account determines the witness.)
지금 증인 마피아들은 탈중앙화를 이야기하고 있습니다.
(Now witnesses mob are talking about decentralization.)
지난 시간동안 증인들의 변동은 어떤때에 일어났습니까?
(When did the witnesses change over the past time?)
거의 변동이 없었다는게 사실입니다.
(It is true that there was little change or no changes...)
그들에겐 충분한 기회와 시간이 있었지만 기득권을 지키는 것에만 관심이 있었습니다.
(They had ample opportunity and time, but they were only interested in defending their vested interests.)
이것은 결과입니다. 추정이아니라.
(This is the result. Not an estimate.)
그들은 착각과 오해를 하고 있습니다. 그리고 다른 사람의 재산을 동결했습니다.
(They are misunderstood. And frozen the property of others.)
그 후에도 그들은 비정상적인 행동을 했습니다. 그들은 증인투표권을 매수했습니다. 그들은 모든 글에 댓글을 달아 가짜뉴스를퍼트렸습니다.
(After that, they acted abnormally. They bought a witness vote. They commented on all the articles and spread fake news.)
그리고 @pumpkin의 투표를 받았습니다.
(And received a vote of @pumpkin.)
그들은 가짜계정에게 투표를 받아서 그들의 기득권을 유지합니다.
(They are voted by fake accounts to maintain their vested interests.)
@pumpkin이 누군가요?
(Who is @pumpkin? )
그들은 말합니다. 재단도 안돼. 거래소도 안돼. 근데 @pumpkin은 돼
(They say. No Tron. No exchange. Yes @pumpkin)
그들이 말하는 탈중앙화는 @pumpkin의 중앙화 입니다.
(The decentralization they call is the centralization of @pumpkin )
가짜계정으로 증인 자리를 유지하는 게 정상인가요?
(Is it normal to maintain a witness position using a fake account?)
모든 스티미언들은 진실을 보시기 바랍니다.
(All the Steemians see the truth.)
What are you talking about? Pumpkin is 1 account out of thousands that are voting for witnesses. He is a major stakeholder, but that does not mean he is controlling the witness positions.
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nope. If you think a pumpkin is one of thousands, you're really stupid or lying.
He has 10 million SP(maybe @freedom) . And his voting power is stronger than Huobi.
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No disrespect, but your whole post is full of BS. I've been spending far too much time fighting fake news on Twitter and now you're spreading this BS? Since when is pumpkin/freedom in any shape or form similar to exchanges voting? He's one of the oldest accounts on Steem and not affiliated with Steemit Inc. Do your research.
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저스틴썬에 대한 증인들의 추측이 가짜뉴스가 아니라고? 그런 식이라면 가짜뉴스와 싸운게 아니라 그냥 그냥 듣기 싫은 사람과 싸운거겠지.
freedom은 pumpkin이라는 가짜 계정에 프록시를 줬어. pumpkin이 오래된 계정 중 하나라고? 혹시 그렇게 믿는다면 넌 그냥 바보야.
니가 한말에 얼마나 많은 모순이 있는지 니가 안다면 이런 부끄러운 글을 남기진 않았을꺼야
Do your reseach.
그래 너도 pumpkin에 대해 알게되면 내가 하는 말이 무슨 뜻인지 알수있을꺼야.
근데 pumpkin은 어떠한 포스팅도 하지 않고 평판도 25에 불과한 가짜계정이야.
그런데 그 pumpkin이 증인들에게 증인 투표를 하고 있어. 그래 증인투표를 하는 행위는 누구나 가능해 하지만 3sp의 가짜계정이 1000만sp 의 프록시를 받고 하는 투표행위는 의미가 달라.
이건 가짜 계정이 투표를 한거라고 봐야하는거 아니야?
그래 그게 아니라 pumpkin이 진짜 라고 해보자
그렇다면 더 심각해 현재의 증인들은 평판 25에 글을 하나도 올리지 않는 sp보유순위 100만등 밖에 있는 pumpkin의 영향으로 뽑힌다는 의미야.
이게 문제가 없어? 그럼 니 양심에 문제가 있는거야
이봐 3sp가 아니야 1000만sp라고
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Was du kannst, kann ich schon lange.
@freedom hat einen größeren Anteil an MVs als anderes Accounts, jedoch ist @freedom nicht in der Lage alleine die Witnesses zu wählen. Besonders jetzt nicht.
Es macht absolut keinen Sinn, dass du @freedom angreifst oder so tust, als wenn wir Witnesses unrechtmäßig gewählt wurden, wenn der Vote bei mir bspw. nur etwa 10-20% ausmacht.
Ich könnte dann nämlich auch sagen, dass @proxy.token genauso gefährlich ist. Aber ich gehe nicht davon aus, dass du diese Aussage akzeptieren würdest. Denn es geht ja immer nur darum dass die alten Witnesses die Bösen sind. ;)
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자네 하는 말에 갑자기 물타기를 하면 어떻하나?
그럼 닌자마이닝한 모두가 잘못되었다 치자. 그래서 재단을 동결했다면
그러면 닌자 마이닝한 모두가 투표를 멈춰야겠지
하지만 @pumpkin은 투표를 하고 있자나
그게 공평한거야?
그리고 pumpkin의 문제는 단일 계정의 지원을 받는 가짜 계정이라는거야
그리고 그 단일계정은 거래소보다 더 파워가 쎄.
그리고 프록시토큰은 ...잘 찾아봐 몇명이 프록시를 맡겼는지
그리고 니가 말하는 10~20%면 모든 증인이 바뀔수있는 영향력이야..이 둔탱아
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Ich glaube die verschiedenen Sprachen ergeben hier ein falsches Bild. Ich gehe nicht davon aus, dass ein Witness wie @therealwolf wirklich naiv genug ist zu glauben, dass der @freedom account unnötig wäre um seine Position als Witness halten zu können.
Ein Vergleich mit pumpkin und proxy.token ist aus meiner Sicht auch unter der interlektuellen Würde von @therealwof, da Proxy.Token aus Stimmen besteht die 1. nicht pre-minded waren und 2. auf Basis von vielen Nutzern aufgebaut ist, welches man von dem Pumpkin Account nicht behaupten kann.
Der Sinn der Dezentralisierung wäre es jedoch nicht zuzulassen, dass eine einzelne Person genug Einfluss hätte um zu bestimmen ob er es zum Witness schafft oder nicht, welches aber hier der Fall für die letzten Jahre war. Wir lassen Blocktrades mal aus, da dieser Account erst vor kurzem angefangen hat zu voten, wegen der aktuellen Lage.
Eine andere Frage wäre warum Aussagen wie Freedom würde die Dezentralisierung gefährden keinen Sinn machen?
Es geht nicht darum das die Witnesses die Bösen sind. Wir sind ja nicht im Kindergarten (ob wohl es mir manchmal so vorkommt). Es geht darum dass falsche Entscheidungen getroffen worden sind die zu noch schlimmeren Entscheidungen geführt haben und viele (ja es gibt auch andere Stimmen) besorgt um Ihr Investment sind. Und die bisherigen Gespräche die von Witnesses mit Steemit Inc. geführt worden sind waren, wenn man es vorteilhaft ausdrückt, nicht wirklich produktiv, und ich meine dabei Beide Seiten.
(Dieser Text wurde NICHT mit Google übersetzt)
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Es ging mir nicht darum, einfach @freedom mit @proxy.token zu vergleichen, da es natürlich einen Unterschied gibt, zwischen einer individuellen Person (freedom) und mehrere Personen (proxy.token).
Sondern, das Statement war bezogen auf die Aussage, dass der Vote von @freedom 1.) in irgendeiner weise gekauft worden sei, oder 2.) dass der Vote einen riesigen Einfluss auf die Witnesses hat/die Dezentralität gefährdet. Was nämlich definitiv nicht der Fall ist.
Denn, wenn ein @freedom Vote wirklich eine Gefahr für Steem & die Dezentralität sein sollte, würde dies nur bedeuten, dass wir das aktuelle Governance-Modell von DPoS verbessern müssten.
Außerdem, gibt es einen riesigen Unterschied zwischen dem Stake von Steemit Inc. und @freedom bezüglich des "pre/ninja"-minings.
Steemit Inc ist die Firma, welche den Code geschrieben hat und sich dadurch unfaire Vorteile erwirtschaften konnte, was dazu führte, dass sie 80% des gesamten STEEM besaßen.
Das selbe kann man von @freedom nicht behaupten. Soweit wir wissen, ist es eine individuelle Person ohne Connections zu Steemit Inc und dadurch auch ohne unfairen Vorteile im Mining.
Bezüglich der Gespräche mit Steemit Inc und den Witnesses:
Gebe ich dir völlig Recht. Die Gespräche waren inhaltlich ziemlich nutzlos und hatten nicht wirklich Erfolg. Aber ich würde nicht behaupten, dass dies die Schuld der Witnesses war. Denn, wenn du auf Twitter die Debatte mit Justin Sun verfolgt hast, wirst du gesehen haben, dass er immer wieder falsche Wahrheiten schilderte.
Und das war leider auch der Fall in den Gesprächen mit Roy von Tron.
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It is possible pumpkin is 1 account out of thousands. Then who is freedom, who proxy his 10M SP to pumpkin?
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You don’t really mean that right? Please..
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리스팀합니다.
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@pumpkin이 누군지 중요한 이유는
이 계정이 재단,거래소가 했던 행동과 별차이가 없기때문이에요
사실 @freedom의 닌자마이닝을 문제삼으면 배가 산으로 가니 @freedom이 가짜계정에 프록시를 준것을 문제삼고싶습니다.
다른말로 하면 현재 거래소의 프록시를 다른사람에게 주면 문제없냐?
이런걸 반문할 수가 있습니다..
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@tipu curate
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Upvoted 👌 (Mana: 10/15 - need recharge?)
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매우 핵심을 찌르는 지적입니다.
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뼈를 때리는 펙트네요
누굴 위한 증인인가
꼼수를 동원해서 해먹는 증인은 처단해야 한다
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Stealing funds of users in exchanges = theft
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I'm not talking about the exchange. I'm talking about decentralization.
I'm talking about an account that's really strong at picking witnesses.
who is @pumpkin ?
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I don't know who is @pumpkin.
But if one of us (you or me) decide to be part of this chain and spend time here, that also means you and me both are agreeing to the terms of DPOS. Unfortunately in DPOS anyone with high stake/money is the undisputed-king. If we look at PoW anyone with money can buy all the hardware in the world even pull off a 51% attack. So, this scenario is not very different from even the PoW chains.
That being said, DPoS based governance may need revisions. What is happening now will definitely a good case study!
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@pumpkin 얼척없네요…
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