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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago (edited)

Blame those who won't waste their voting power (earning potential) to consistently flag trash that is upvoted by one service mainly supported by the CEO of Steemit? Sure.

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inertia (73) · 7 years ago

I like dmaina. I'm staking them because I think they have a pretty good strategy on rewards distribution. It can't be done perfectly and I get it when there are examples of rewards going to people who didn't create the original content.

I'm curious, have you read their faq?

https://dmania.lol/faq

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago (edited)

You get it that they're taking advantage of the community, earning rewards, by upvoting and rewarding stolen content?

A useful service would be one that takes the time to reward users and content that have been verified as original, especially when those users are earning $40+ for a single image, with @dmania taking a decent cut of each of those.

I have not read their FAQ, nor is there any way for them to try to explain their way around laziness and dishonesty.

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inertia (73) · 7 years ago

Well, it's about scalability. They can't manually look at each piece of content. They had 1,500 posts to look at today, almost 1,700 yesterday. If their automation has a few bad hits, I see that as an acceptable trade for competing with the other free services.

Are you looking for a perfect record or is there an acceptable level you'd be able to overlook?

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8 votes

berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

Rewarding $2 to someone who stole an image...sure, I can live with that. But, rewarding someone $40+ for that is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

There are VERY FEW memes that deserve anything near $40, if I had the time to do a reverse image search on all of them to pull numbers I would, but I've seen enough to know it's a problem.

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16 votes

inertia (73) · 7 years ago

Well, I think that's fair. I'm sure they could stand to tighten up their requirements more than they already have.

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

Or, not give out ridiculous rewards to unverified content. Especially when an original meme takes about 1 minute to create.

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14 votes

inertia (73) · 7 years ago

Yes, they could take 1 minute to create them. But very often, people don't know how to create a proper meme. For example ...

Hide the Pain Harold:

This is incorrect. Harold would never use dmania.

My point is, if we eliminate a bunch of plagiarism memes, we'll end up instantly replacing them with incorrectly applied memes. Maybe you'd be ok with that, though.

I'm ok being a little lose with copy/paste memes at the moment if original authors start moving over to dmania and things get progressively more strict over time.

I guess @masteryoda was a little ahead of his time.

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5 votes

oyvindsabo (53) · 7 years ago

I do share your concerns!

Making original content should be a clearly given criteria for posting on any Steem-app. The problem with dmania in particular is that the whole idea of a meme community is making and reposting memes.

While there is stolen content on Steemit as well, Steemit is a bank of knowledge which on a daily basis educates its users about what's okay and what's not okay. Dmania is basically just pictures.

But then again, maybe I shouldn't complain and start making memes instead;)

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molfzart92 (34) · 7 years ago

yo @berniesanders I totally and completely love how you are justice seeker here on steemit. I first found out about you with the haejin garbage, and you changed my mind about that fraudster. I must say though, while I respect what you do, on a side note - the real Bernie Sanders is a total fuckin' kook with no brain. LOL had to.

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thabiggdogg (56) · 7 years ago

My memes never got paid that much!!! Here is a collection of them I made myself.

rajat7254 (48) · 7 years ago

Right mr. @berniesanders, who is rewarding plagiarizers and thieves.am appreciate on your post.

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john02ejiofor (33) · 7 years ago

I buy the angle you are coming from especially with them possibly taking a big chunk of the earnings. It's pure daylight robbery and worst, no credit at least is given to the creator. I'll also add incompetence to laziness and dishonesty.

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

How is it any better or worse than what is happening on Trending?

We can all watch the same 12 people (accounts change sometimes) get all of the rewards. Or we can watch some people who are "Undeserving" in some way get the rewards. I don't like it and I can get triggered by it, but I guess if those are my options I would lean towards distribution.

I poke you sometimes and disagree with you, but I never doubt that you are investing time and thought into Steem. Thanks for that... Even when you disagree with me! lol.

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7 votes

berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

It's not any better or worse, it's just another form of abuse that needs some attention. You know I've touched on the Trending page in the past and will likely go there again.

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17 votes

whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

Okay, that is fair.

Here are a few positives for them.
They are upvoting a variety of people.
They are trying to address self-upvoting
They are doing a better job of spreading the Steem around.

I agree some shitty stuff makes it through their process.

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raheelkhan1 (50) · 7 years ago

I agreed .

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dceroo (50) · 7 years ago

seconded!

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berniesanders (77) · 7 years ago

Sounds like it's quite easy to exploit. May have to give it a little test...

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13 votes

whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

If you do it, I hope you publish the results.

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noorijaz (46) · 7 years ago

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transisto (74) · 7 years ago

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kryptik (63) · 7 years ago

I lol’d pretty hard at this.

I think this is meme worthy.

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sircork (64) · 7 years ago

yer my fav. you crack me up.

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bitius (55) · 7 years ago

thirded!!

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crystalhuman (64) · 7 years ago (edited)

Here are all the original memes I've made that haven't caught much traction. Thanks for inspiring me to make another one. I just shared the one I just made to my wall. Here are the rest.

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crystalhuman (64) · 7 years ago

I actually hadn't shared that top one yet. Hopefully it gets some upvotes here :)

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limabeing (56) · 7 years ago

Thats weird because ive seen it before...

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crystalhuman (64) · 7 years ago

Unless someone else had the same idea, I kinda doubt it. I've not shared it yet and my wife watched me make it so I have a witness lol

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crystalhuman (64) · 7 years ago

All of my memes are original, any likenesses are because I'm a stoner and probably forgot I saw it before...

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limabeing (56) · 7 years ago

🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ maybe i saw a similar one

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adonisabril (74) · 7 years ago

Yeah, how come NOBODY ever makes a fuss over this issue? It's very blatant and in your face it's disgusting. The circle-jerkers know it and we know it, yet we put our heads in the sand. There should be a variety of content on TRENDING, not the same Self-Voters and Circle-Jerkers.

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ilyastarar (64) · 7 years ago

Sheer waste of delegated SP which can go to a better project like Utopian. Dtube is going to have trouble too because people are copy-pasting videos.

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kryzsec (59) · 7 years ago

But some grops/communities/curation efforts specifically unvote/unreward and flag posts that we find to be plagiarism.

Manual curation efforts (like steemstem which is unsupported by @ned and steemit.inc) work to prevent plagiarized work on steemit (and we report a lot of posts to steemcleaners along with throwing flags of our own) and yet dmania, something supported to hell and high water, doesn't seem to do anything about its plagiarism problem. If people want steemit to succeed then it will take more than just whales expecting minnows to flag plagiarized posts that were voted by whale accounts... And the tools should take the due-diligence and unvote content when it is made aware of plagiarism.

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4 votes

tngflx (61) · 7 years ago (edited)

Ned is pushing too much for wide usage of steem token. But the fundamentals weren't well managed. We are still stuck with the ancient UI to write a fucking post. How hard is it to introduce a great tool to write a freaking post? Is this even a place to blog? who the fuck still type html syntax just to make your image pull right or left. This is absurd. And you're trying to push for a bigger market. @ned please stick to the core of steemit! A freaking blogging site! Get your fundamentals right and people will come naturally. Do support all those curators who help you to maintain this platform!

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

I agree manual curation would be the best.
I am still happy steem is using their stake to promote distribution.
Curation also allows for downvoting.

I don't think the success or failure of steem has much to do with Plagiarism at all. It is just an opinion though.

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veerall (50) · 7 years ago

Whales prefer rich, ass kissers and whores, Just like the elites and banksters of the "Central Banking System"

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5 votes

whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

That seems kind of harsh.

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pele23 (68) · 7 years ago

Lol, but I do get what he is saying. It's really hard to get some whale attention, let alone upvotes! And most of the time the ass kissers and "whores" get the upvotes... Really!

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veerall (50) · 7 years ago

true, i just got flagged for speaking the truth.. now you know what happens? its just like the real world here..

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

What world did you expect to be in?

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veerall (50) · 7 years ago

Blockchain especially steemit was created for like minded people who are against the govts. i guess one can never change the human nature of the majority..

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

I thought all those like-minded people and those who are the "majority" all lived in the same real world.

I'm just messing with you.

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pele23 (68) · 7 years ago

This world is actually a little crueler, as everything is deposited in the Blockchain. In the real world you can try to fix things. Here the timeline can be pretty nasty

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ackza (72) · 7 years ago

I just gave you a negative flag

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charitybot (63) · 7 years ago

Delegations create subsidies, subsidies are not always a good thing. Delegations appear to continue to be allocated in a very hands-off manner, and steemit inc does not seem to have changed their stance on never writing up a written contract for anyone receiving a delegation.

Correct me if I'm wrong, and maybe there are actually hard requirements for any of the delegated parties to submit anything remotely resembling transparency reports of what they're doing with the delegations and how they go about doing things, other than voluntarily releases of information on their administrative activities.

That's problematic because so many of the issues revolving around the delegations in the past and present could have been prevented in the first place if they were to have gone the contract route. I'm guessing it's a carry-over mentality of avoiding contracts and anything that smells ICO or securities/IPO-related so they don't get hit by any regulations, considering they're based in the US.

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

Are you suddenly expecting Ned to be the controller of what is successful on the entire blockchain?

I don't want Ned to decide what is worthy. And... I find him to be very bland. I want him to delegate to lots of people/projects for diversity reasons. I want them all to try different things.

It is an experiment.

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sames (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

I agree :) We don't need to be the bitcoin community worshipping the grounds of the white paper and Nakamoto, respect them but please do not use then as evidence they are made by humans.

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ackza (72) · 7 years ago

@dan is Nakamoto of steem, @ned is the Roger Ver of steem :D whatsup @whatsup

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sames (65) · 7 years ago

So whos adam black ;)

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spirits4you (57) · 7 years ago

hey @whatsup... noramlly I would agree with you however dmania doesn´t really give one any chance of stating where one has gotten the picture/ content from, hence it isn´t always the user trouble shooting.

If one would like to state where having gotten it from the only possiblity right now is to edit the post after creation in steemit... I dont think that it should actuall work this way.

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

While you make a good point, it is okay for a platform on Steem to make it's own rules, and you don't have to agree with them. The rules are clear and published on a site that works as defined.

They continute to tweek the bot as needed. Cut them some slack while they work on it,

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spotlight (60) · 7 years ago

Exactly. I fully welcome people to flag anything they deem unworthy of payment.

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ackza (72) · 7 years ago

Arent you da chosen one on dmania bro?!

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one.min.crafts (40) · 7 years ago

I agree with you @whatsup
i love dmania too.

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opeyemioguns (68) · 7 years ago

Not everyone have enough power to flag. And they may retaliate

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pirateofthedtube (52) · 7 years ago

I was going to say - this seems like a Steem issue more than anything. Is there even really a system to stop somebody from just copying and pasting articles from one user to their own account? What about on DTube? Is there even a system to stop somebody from just reuploading somebody's YouTube videos? I feel like this is something that is difficult to address with Steemit in its current form. Although flagging and giving people negative reputation help a little bit, I don't think that will stop it all.

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leprechaun (56) · 7 years ago

Absolutely nothing. Could we create a repository of Tube-video hashes in order to have a resource for detection of the event?

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pirateofthedtube (52) · 7 years ago

Big issue with that is that some YouTubers have come to this site and are reuploading their own videos. You could have people who do so identify themselves, but that kinda hurts the anonymity aspect.

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leprechaun (56) · 7 years ago (edited)

Even if you're creating content anonymously, you can link accounts by validating from one to the other. Suppose some big Youtuber puts up a video here and then from YouTube says that this Steemit account really does belong to him, then we know. It would be good to have some kind of standard machine readable format. That way Bernie's bot army doesn't flag an author who posts in both Steemit and somewhere else

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ramizmurtaza (52) · 7 years ago

Exactly, i agree with you.

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thoughts-in-time (64) · 7 years ago

^{Image: via Pixabay}

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mjglqw (40) · 7 years ago

and not only on Steemit in general. Pretty much on every social network site or community.

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mohammadosama (25) · 7 years ago

What is steemit can you tell me?

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katteasis (63) · 7 years ago

Dmania itself is a Joke when it comes to voting distribution.I can understand they can't view and vote every post manually, but they should have applied voling algorithm like busy? that way every meme(whether copied or not) has chances to get at least some votes/rewards, fair enough?

In my opinion, the bot should vote every post in an equal/ or rational manner, for something like meme it's completely fair distribution.And this can encourage more users too. But right now as I said Dmania itself is a joke, there are many better projects to fund with that huge amount of SP when it hasn't used in right way.

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago

Typing in bold for a whole paragraph is a joke. Saying something is a joke doesn't make it so.

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