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kaminchan (70) · 5 years ago (edited)

Friendly suggestion! Your logo could appear offensive to Thai Buddhists!
The image of the Buddha is very sacred to Buddhists! People here will not use this sacred image in advertisement or for commercial purposes!

It’s the same feeling you get when Christians see Jesus on the Cross in your logo!

You’ll need some knowledge on cross cultural management! The approach might cause or have already caused unintended consequences.

Good luck.

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steemitboard (66) · 5 years ago

Thanks a lot for your feedback @kaminchan.

We pay the greatest attention to cultural differences. We know for example that the King of Thailand is to be treated with the utmost respect.
We also have a lot of respect for the Buddhist religion (and for all religions as well) and we understand very well the sanctity of Buddha.

The purpose of the badge is all but commercial but aims to evoke one of the main components of Thai society.

Personally, I (@arcange) was educated as a Christian and, like many people I know, I would not be offended to see Jesus on the cross.
But, as you wrote, this is a cultural difference.

The @steemitboard team has already done a lot of work for its graphic chart for SF4.
Anyway, we will have a discussion together about whether to do this work again or not.

Hope to see you in Bangkok.

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kaminchan (70) · 5 years ago

Thank you for your kind reply. Oh! You would feel it’s okay to have Jesus on the cross as part of your SteemFest Batch!? That’s very interesting.

By the way, the other thing is that the high swing at the back of the Buddha image is not a Buddhist symbol, it’s a Hindu symbol in front of Wat Su-Tat! That used to be part of a Hindu ceremony which had been stopped a long time ago. It’s part of an offering ceremony where chosen people used to stand on that big swing. It was pushed to great height until someone fell to the ground, a weird kind of offering! But not many people know why the swing was taken away and the ceremony was ordered to end ages ago. If you want to include a Hindu symbol too, I think you ought to include other religious symbols as well. Otherwise people might think of discrimination! We have a large Muslim population followed by Christians and Sikhs.

In fact other religious groups will see this batch as being exclusively for the Buddhists. Here, there is a delicate balance and harmony among all these groups in our society. It’s best not to use religious symbols in your batch.

Symbols do have meaning! And those stars on top of the head of the Buddha is a bad design. Symbols speak very loud!

Any way, it’s your choice and decision. I just hope your design wouldn’t get into the press or regular social media here! I can tell you there’ll be lots of negative feedback. But, then again, this might give you a big exposure in Thai social media in a very short time!

Actually, you might get sued under Thai law by certain groups of extreme people. Last month they just sued a Thai artist for drawing very ‘disrespectful’ Buddha images in her oil paintings! But, some think these paintings are rather cute and light hearted. She and the Dean had to make public apology! The debate caused a big division among people on Facebook and so on.

Good luck.

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steemitboard (66) · 5 years ago

We took into account your remarks and refactored our badge. Read more here

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rayshiuimages (65) · 5 years ago

Hi, I just wanted to add that I've was just in Bangkok (Sept.) and I've noticed a lot of billboard signage on the prohibited usage of the Buddha Image. I've been to various places in Thailand multiple times and this is the first time I've noticed them, they are prominent. It would be prudent for you to double check if your badge will get you into trouble if used in Thailand. The recent "crackdown" is real...I was stopped at airport security where they inspected my Buddha pendants that were around my neck. There is a noticeable (to me anyways) decrease on Buddhist related "souvenirs" at the tourist spots, plus the removal of temple "gift shops" in many of the smaller wats.
Personally, I like the design of the badge, I think it's nice and I'm not in the least bit offended but in the end it's about what is allowed and its' consequences. I think this is one instance where it's not better to ask for forgiveness rather than permission.
Just my 2 cents. Thank you for your service, steemitboard!

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steemitboard (66) · 5 years ago

Thank you for your feedback @rayshiuimages.

We took into account your remarks and refactored our badge. Read more here

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rayshiuimages (65) · 5 years ago

No prob, happy to be of assistance..

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ricko66 (65) · 5 years ago

Hi, @steemboard, following the subject of the Buddha image on the badge and reading your reply to @kaminchan, you have to know that the King and the Buddha are both at the same level concerning the respect and the use of the image. In both cases, the use of the image in an inappropriate or offensive way can lead to being arrested, fined and/or jailed with no exception for foreigners. These rules can look a bit too much for westerners but the reality is just about the respect of traditions and culture and the guests have to follow the rules as anyone enters the Kingdom of Thailand.

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steemitboard (66) · 5 years ago

Thank you for your feedback @ricko66.

We took into account your remarks and refactored our badge. Read more here

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madys (25) · 5 years ago

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ricko66 (65) · 5 years ago (edited)

Well said khun @kaminchan, I was also about to tell them that the logo is offensive and they may discover it on the giant billboard sign outside of the airport. To compare to Christian symbol is not good because in the western world the religion as being destroyed and it as nothing sacred anymore. But here, if the Steemfest was a legit event (working hand to hand with the local community to make both the adverts, icon, and event in order to take full profits of the country and its culture in a good way) but instead it is made (SF event) by one or a few peoples that really have nothing to do with the Thai Steemit community and not even dare to ask for their help (maybe for keep their hands on a cash machine)... For Steemboard, I believe they have nothing to do with Steemfest 4 people and they have no clue about the Thai culture. To make it short the buddha image is inappropriate following the culture and the law also to put the swing higher than the buddha is very wrong. A good way to illustrate will be, as the event name is Steemfest Bangkok, to use one of Bangkok's iconic place as a silhouette in the icon, places like Wat Phra Keaw or Wat Arun (the same way I add Wat Phra Keaw silhouette inside the Thai flag for the weekly @thaiteam contest. My feeling and I am not alone is that in these times of trouble for most crypto. Thank you @kaminchan!...

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arcange (73) · 5 years ago (edited)

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ricko66 (65) · 5 years ago (edited)

The new badge is perfect as I comment on @steemboard, the other part of the comment was about from the beginning I try to get the Thai community involve in the event but never get a reply and by not including the local community the biggest part of the community boycott the event and even leave the plateform, just sad to see that he doesn't care about local community that will be a great benefit to all attendee to get a real look at Thailand. So, everyone can see how Steemfest is only money oriented and don't give a shit about the community of the country. I submit the idea of Thailand to his discord and give the possibility to get the community involve and in the end I am sorry to say that but the guy seems to be an A..hole (not you but the organizer) taking care of a money making machine and doesn't care about the ecosystem.

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kaminchan (70) · 5 years ago

Thank you for talking some common sense into these naive westerners! But they have been warned! Had they done this in Cambodia or Burma, they would be put in jail for a few years!!
Here they’ll get arrested and pay some fine!

Cheers.

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steemitboard (66) · 5 years ago

Do you think they accept STEEM to pay the fine? 😰
Just kidding... and taking your remarks very seriously (see other reply)

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ricko66 (65) · 5 years ago

Thank you @kaminchan, not easy for them to understand how much Buddhism is important for the people and for everyday life in Thailand as well as in administration. Here a picture outside the Arrivals at Thai airports, it may help them to understand.
IMG_2526[1].jpg

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arifcorlu (10) · 5 years ago

Thank You Steemit
@arifcorlu

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steemitboard (66) · 5 years ago

You're welcome @arifcorlu
Feel free to support us back: vote for our witness.
You will get one more badge and more powerful upvotes from us on your posts with our next notifications.

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mys (62) · 5 years ago

See ya in the Bangkok!

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treepi (64) · 5 years ago

I want one! Damn, I wish I could go. :(

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livinguktaiwan (74) · 5 years ago

That's a lovely badge, I'm so looking forward to have it on my board. Can't wait!!!

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bluengel (76) · 5 years ago

GodSpeed ! :) @steemitboard 💙

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teamcn-shop (68) · 5 years ago

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xboxguru (60) · 5 years ago

Very inspirational post and steem supportive

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cryptoxicate (64) · 5 years ago (edited)

would be nice to be part of this meetups, lets have a meet up in central america

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dragonate (49) · 5 years ago

Unfortunately, I won't be able to get there this year. I hope everyone that goes has a great time though!

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pennsif (79) · 5 years ago

This post has been included in the latest edition of The Steem News - a compilation of the key news stories on the Steem blockchain.

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fitinfun (71) · 5 years ago

Well, thisis exciting to see I am prolific! Thank you so much, @steemitboard. I will get my badge for sure, and thank you for letting me know about it.

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enjoykarma (63) · 5 years ago

..also want this badger!!..but may next one..no Bangkok for me this time...anyway, up..

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amaterasusolar (51) · 5 years ago

Being disabled, denied assistance for 13 years, only now getting SSI (a pittance), and still homeless, I guess I won't be getting any badge. I can't afford a passport, let alone a flight ticket. Heh.