After my recent post about how all our bots/trails imply on payouts and Steemit overall, I would like to share with you one more problem which I noticed.
We constantly hear refren "Write a good content and you would be rewarded for" it's not true on current #Steemit. Maybe this rule worked some time ago, but this rule is not applicable to current platform anymore.
Current steemians vote for names but not for contents . Yes, with bots/trails/upvoters.
I looked in Hot posts from people with reputation 70+ and I tried to compare quantities upvotes with viewers.
You could ask me why I checked Hot but not Trending or New. The Hot tab shows this problem more clear because Steemvoter posts upvotes in the first 30 minutes and these upvotes lead posts to Hot path. So, Hot tab catch all bubbles from automatic upvoters and also there is a place there are curators try to catch their rewards faster than others. When post comes to Trending there is an opposite process "More reads and less votes"
I'm posting some screenshots to make my idea more clear - all big guys has more upvotes than readers. People votes for names but not for content
Yes, I think this is a huge #Steemit issue as a platform
I have a change request for Steemit UI - button Upvote should become active only after scrolling a post, the same as on any licence agreement. Yes, it would broke bots, but it would help to create more honest community.
Thank you for your attention
That's a very interesting solution. :)
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I completely agree and i have been trying to raise this point myself but of course since nobody really votes for content, but rather for persons or whichever post gets them the highest payout, hardly anybody reads my posts.
I upvoted yours, maybe you get lucky and this sort of discussion can finally make it to Hot or Trending. Because this moment, big names on Steemit can just take a dump on the keyboard, post it and see it on Trending in a matter of hours netting them several hundred dollars worth. Just look at Jerry Banfield getting $250 for his terryfing shirtless pic post.. This is completely insane, and if it is not addressed and changed will lead to the downfall of Steemit I believe. If Steemit only ends up being a financial upvoting circle then that has significant impact on it's value compared to the social network it wants to be.
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I also submitted my post for whaleshares channel because I would like to raise this problem.
My previous post about bots and trails even appeared in Walrus blog. he resteemed it
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I also remember how some of whale-witness posted a post with title "Test" and body "Do not upvote this post" and then he counted amounts and votes made by bots
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Yes, this is exactly the problem. I don't mind anybody posting anything.. but when the 'value' of this platform is supposed to be content, when it is in reality some kind of money-chasing platform.. then that's a problem
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Yes, I've mentioned the poor utility of the bucket of crabs approach in the comments of my recent post on Steemit's issues.
The concept does not work simply because humans are smarter than crabs. Just as the major banks of the U.S. got together and formed a cartel on Jekyll Island, so too are the "whales" here uniting to control the rewards pool.
We need to work together on bringing this to an end if we're to make Steemit anything more than a short-lived circle-jerk.
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they will always find a way around it :(
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when they would start to tell the truth: Quality content doesn't matter here
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Yes, but it doesn't have to be as easy as it is right now. The system essentially incentivizes this behavior at the moment.
I hope you'll join the discussion on my latest post. We need to work together to create an actual solution that prioritizes content here.
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Interesting observation and good suggestion about scrolling!
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Bots can be modified to emulate page scrolling, so this wont change much..
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хотя бы люди не будут бежать через Хот пайдж и просто ставить свои лайки как в фейсбуке, без чтения
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There is a human behind every bot. As a bot user myself, I can tell you that I DO read content, I DO upvote posts manually when I have the time to read, and I DO engage with the community.
Bots are not perfect. They don't have the intelligence yet to vote exactly the same way people would vote. But if they could, would there be a reason to complain?
Maybe we just need better bots.
As far as crap content, that's subjective. The trending page has a lot of bot upvotes. It also almost always has something I want to read. And stuff I don't want to read. And a Chinese girl in a bikini, which I don't care to read but might want to look at ;)
So here is your manual upvote from somebody who uses bots. Cheer up, work hard, and don't worry about the bots. They're not hurting Steemit.
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I feel myself miserable when I got upvotes, say, from good-karma and all his trail and I know none read my great post.
I feel like I got alms instead of earned reward.
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@ned calls these folks social media heavy hitters.
He's talking about personalities that come over from FB, YT, etc.
What I notice; they come over, start posting clap trap (mostly) and have many users upvote them, that really don't seem to post themselves, just upvote their fav media personalities.
Almost like a different set of planets orbiting the same sun. They don't interact much with the established bloggers from what I see.
But they sure do affect the rewards pool.
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if users don't post neither posts nor comments but they vote, I would consider them as bots. not humans
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meep
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Please consider joining the discussion under my latest post on these issues. We'll need to openly highlight these problems to get anywhere.
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I think that would make it more content focused as well. Might ruffle some feathers though
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Yep, I think feathers have been ruffled by my latest post on Steemit's issues and my proposed solution.
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very informative allfabeta
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This seems like a great idea! I've just written about my own proposition to combat some of the platform's problems as well. You might be interested in joining the discussion.
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Thanks for your very clear post. I have proposed the same in my post https://steemit.com/steemit/@emble/will-steem-succeed-or-commit-suicide
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Views are not an accurate measure of how many views a post really got because it only counts views of a post when viewed via steemit.com. You can read steemit posts on other sites like busy.org and chainBB, as well directly reading it from the blockchain, and these do not count towards views.
So the view number is really a minimum amount. You can assume it is probably more than this, but you can know how much.
I think there can often be less views than votes though, but we really can't know for sure what the difference is.
The up vote button is already at the bottom of the post, so isn't this idea already implemented? Also bot do not use steemit.com, they use one of the APIs (which allow "direct" access to the blockchain) so this would have no impact on bots even if it were implemented.
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Thank you. It was helpful. I didn't know that Busy and chainbb are not counted
But looks like there is one additional problem with upvoting bots - earning curation rewards without curation "I don't care about your post, I just want to make some money on your article"
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