What a whirlwind my first week on Steemit has been.
I went from not knowing what it was, to making my first post and making nearly $15,000, to making a few more posts which made another $15,000.
I posted yesterday and within 2 hours I had 500+ upvotes and it had made over $2,000. I was well on my way to becoming a steemillionaire!
I asked my assistant to dial up the local yacht dealership to purchase a new yacht, when... all of a sudden it had only made $1,000.
I motioned to my assistant to tell them I'd call them back.
"Why?" she asked.
"I seem to be losing Steem," I said as I squinted at my 65" monitor.
"What's Steem?" she asked.
"Don't ask questions, worker! I own you!" I snapped back.
The rest of the night I pondered on what was going on. I also began to realize why anarcho-communists hate us capitalists so much.
But, then, I woke up the next morning and WHAM!
My last post was down to $122.04! I checked the upvotes and I had 762 upvotes.
My mind raced.
"I've been robbed," I screamed at my assistant, nearly knocking over my Grey Goose dirty martini.
She didn't respond, she knows better.
"120 dollars?" I shrieked, "That'll barely pay a day's wage for my chef, driver, gardener, maid and bodyguard!"
Someone forwarded me this article, "Berwicks Last Stand".
I quickly read through it as my whole Steem world was falling apart.
He posted this screenshot:
My jaw dropped. Bernie Sanders! Of all the people, I should've known!
Apparently, @berniesanders, is a whale on Steemit and, inline with his philosophy, he took dictatorial control to censor me!
And, like the communist he is, he quickly absconded with my hard earned Steem and shared the wealth with others!
Now, impoverished by communism, I am wondering where my next 7 course meal will come from!
And, I'm left wondering, if we can't have a blockchain based social network free of the right of private individuals like Bernie Sanders to make personal decisions about who receives Steem then what do we have left?
What, I ask you!
I will continue on here at Steem, answering the question, "Would Jeff Berwick post here if he wasn't making millions of dollars?"
The answer, for now, is yes. I still believe in this thing goddammit.
My workers, of course, will have to take a pay cut though, of course. Caviar isn't cheap.
I just hope that Bernie Sanders can now see how his communist wealth sharing policies really hurts the little man, and woman.
"Maria? Tell my child labor slaves to make up a new batch of silk tissues, I feel a tear coming on."
Just kidding, I am a narcissistic capitalist. I don't cry.
[*Edit: Unbelievably, a few people thought this post was serious (Like this guy! https://steemit.com/steemit/@kdugar/why-dollar-vigilante-is-an-a-shole-and-needs-to-be-taught-how-to-respect-people)! It was sarcasm and creative writing. @berniesanders has the right to do whatever he wants in a free market. I have no problem at all with it and find it fascinating to see how Steemit evolves and how things like whales evolve to adapt to content. It's an experiment in the free market on the blockchain. It's beautiful. What Bernie did, though, could spark a discussion about the role of whales and the usage of the "flagging" option which is a healthy discussion, one that I'll likely delve into in future.]
let's just agree that all of us here @berniesanders @dollarvigilante are trying to make Steem a better platform. There is no right and wrong, and what's done cannot be undone. A lot of people think that bernie was right, a lot think dollarvigilante is right. A few bucks won't hurt either of you, and I a sure none of your attacks towards each other were personal. Good luck, both of you. May the best content on Steem win lol
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Yes you are right @kudgar. The few bucks that don't hurt either one are essentially a gift from @ned and @dan.
None of us deserve any sort of reward. A place to voice our opinions without censorship of ideas by a large entity it a reward in itself. Yes whales can make content less visible, but they do not erase it.
Whales votes are like giving some people a megaphone and others laryngitis. Most people will hear what people are saying on the megaphones, but if you listen closely you can make out what those with laryngitis are whispering.
The money we get for content is a simple bonus on top of this and people shouldn't feel enraged to "lose" money that wasn't theirs to begin with.
The payout system could change tomorrow and posts could be capped at $5. Some would leave and take content elsewhere, but many would stay. If steemit were solely about making as much money as possible by any means, it will become corrupt and cliques and groups will form that attempt to destroy one another.
So far the developers and those heavily invested have shown that they care about their userbase and rely on us to continue to create content and generously reward us all for doing this.
I have no complaints from earning over $1,500 on a $0 investment. My total time on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube has left me with my initial investment of $0 for as many hundreds of hours I have spent there making the founders rich.
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Sounds like the definition of a Feudal system. So does everybody basically have to blow @berniesanders on a regular basis to make any money on here? I have to say I am very dis-enchanted with what I've seen on Steemit. If this is the future of crypto, ugghhh.. We've replaced a handful of oligarchs who own the real political-economy with a handful of obligarchs who own the crypto economy. They set the rules. They shut people down. How is this different form the default world? It appears worse to me because there is ZERO accountability and they are totally anonymous.
Its ironic that he goes by the name bernie sanders, a socialist, when sounds like he is promoting tyranny.
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Please don't spam!
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Spread the positivity :)
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Indeed. @dollarvigilante is helping this community to grow and @berniesanders is doing the same. Both of them want to see steemit successful and growing in the long run and lets not forget that lots of people joined steemit because of @dollarvigilante so yeah, he is a legend here so far. There are few things on which I strongly disagree with @dollarvigilante but that doesn't means that I dislike him or something. I also want to see steem community as a successful community and social media.
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I like the humorous way you have put this. I would be very very annoyed if this happened to me.
I don't agree with the precedent that this sets.
I think with your humorous tone you are pointing out that you will be OK but this sets a bad example which will lead to the little guys getting screwed as always.
Seems disliking a post or not agreeing it or thinking that it repeats previous information is now a reason for downvoting.
This is not what I understood downvoting to be about. The whole point was to reduce visibility of content that is fraudulent, steals others work or is is otherwise scamming and harming the community.
The example that is being set is terrible. Like it or not the minnows follow the example of the whales.
I do hope that the whale in question gives this more thought.
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Yes, this event should create a conversation on downvoting and the role of the whales... that's a good thing. Steem is new and we all need to figure out the best way to make it work.
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True. It certainly has people talking. These are teething troubles and I suspect most of these things will be sorted out before the masses get onboard. If they don't something else will come along that does solve these issues and does it better. It's how the market works. In the heyday of Myspace nobody thought it could be replace until it was by Facebook.
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Those conversations took place even before you got here. Just sayin.
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Yet, they fell on deaf ears a lot of the time.
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Hi @dollarvigilante! I understand you are creating quite a controversy here on Steemit. I'm located in Buenos Aires and trying to promote Steemit, I actually think am the first person over here that put the Steemit logo on the streets of Buenos Aires. However the response of Steemit community to my efforts has been far from "massive" so far. So I understand why some people would be mad at you, but I wouldn't blame you for this. I think we are all learning how to best contribute to this platform. Everything is brand new here on Steemit so we just need to keep learning.
https://steemit.com/travel/@alitas/new-steemit-ambassador-invites-you-to-a-city-tour-through-buenos-aires-argentina
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This just reads like BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. ME ME ME ME ME ME ME. I'M THE CENTRE OF THE UNIVERSE. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.
You've made ~$32,000 from this platform - please give us something of substance to show for it.
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If u could, you would do it too. I do agree with you but your tone sounds a bit like "you're rich. Where's my piece of your pie." Even though this is probably not completely your attitude. I does sort of sound like it.
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People who use the flag because that is all they know
Bringing their baggage from other places to this show
They know not that this weapon can be used on them as well
An endless war of flags to make this place hell
Attacking anyone that speaks with whom they disagree
I wonder next if the person they attack will be me
If someone with power would abuse it this way
Then why would any but the circle jerks choose to stay
This is a problem there is no doubt this I say
Socialist view redistribution and unfairness as the way
Never seeing that who decides what is fair
One day to them their gaze my stare
Endorsing harm for people of a different mind
I care not for they are not people I consider kind
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EDIT: this comment was made prematurely. I'm an idiot and didn't see much past the clickbaity title. I didn't realize it would result in such a huge backlash. Sorry guys, won't happen again.
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satire bro satire...
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Yeah. I know. This whole fiasco of a comment just became a huge lesson on why one should not try to read a post and then comment on it while doing other shit. I down voted my own fucking post because this is ridiculous. I'm sorry everyone. Jesus.
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ok, lets not be so hard on yourself now lol
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lol they doin shame on u lool
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You didn't notice the whole post was sarcasm?
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You could use a better title. Steemit is a Scam! is probably not a good phrase to be shown on the front page of a 7 week old groundbreaking project. Everyone does NOT read the full body of a post, nor do all of them understand sarcasm.
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People don't dump their STEEM load from titles dude...just saying.
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Perhaps you should have tagged it 'satire'. You can't shout FIRE in a theater and just say, sorry, that was sarcastic. Nor should you go to dinner and say to your host, this whole meal is shit! I've been poisoned! It was your wife, Amelia! ackk ackk. And then be like, hey, I was just being sarcastic, there was just a bone in my filet. Anyway, you're a bright fellow, you should be able to communicate your points without resorting to such heavy handed tactics, one would think. People are understandably sensitive about protecting this fledgling network from slurs of various sorts.
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Hehe!
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I thought I could tell there was some sarcasm in there, but what I really heard was that you still don't get it. Quality content is not writing about how much money you make. This post is not quality content either because it is just you, learning to use the platform. On the other hand, all of the dollars you are waving around will attract some users, some of those are probably users with good content. I also support the Whales ability to upvote you at first. They want to encourage you, which makes perfect sense. You are encouraged with dollars. However, they can also discourage. IMO, you need to start writing content instead of bragging about how much money you make or how much you didnt make. Let's get on with the show folks!
BTW, one more post like this and I will Mute you in my feeds.
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Are you kidding? Or have you been living under a rock for the last few days? Did you watch his interview of Dan and Ned? Did you watch the national radio show during which he spent 2 hours discussing steem and doing quite an admirable job answering questions and explaining steem despite only starting to take a look at it a couple of days prior?
And how many users do you imagine he is attracting to the platform? How much do you think his followers appreciate the informative posts he has made so far?
In just a matter of days, this guy has ALREADY done orders of magnitude more for steem than you could possibly do if you never slept another wink and spent every remaining moment of your life devoted to the advancement of steem. Yet you bash him and call him a braggard for sharing his experience with steem?
Are you really so insecure? Why don't you try checking your inferiority complex at the door?
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you have definitely got a point there - with all his followers, he can be a huge advantage for steemit.
I'm also currently in the process of promoting steemit to my 50k followers, to try to get them here and make an account.
Dollarvigilante has gotten an incredible amount of attention, I've never seen so many upvotes on consecutive posts on steemit, and I'm sure he could do lots of good things for steemit's future!
We should focus on growing together, instead of fighting and putting each other down. Especially the ones who want to do good! I mean, you could always warn someone before flagging them. Sometimes that can be a bit harsh. We don't want to kill his motivation, right
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I did not see the interview. But I am sure that Dan and Ned appreciate the title of this post. Especially the part about Steemit being a scam. See how sarcasm doesn't hide my true feelings?
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I have nothing LOL. You guys are too much. LOL.
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Putting aside for a second that the flagging is not there to measure quality (that's what votes are for) - it was a JOKE. If you can't recognise it when it is staring you in the face then I don't know what to suggest.
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You cannot hide behind sarcasm just to save face now. If I don't buy it, who cares? Just imagine what berniesanders thinks when he sees this title. This topic of Steemit being a scam is not cool, hence the flag.
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OK, I had to laugh at this. LOL
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Not trying to be anal, but this report needs to add a "not sure" option to the tears question.
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You are right! I will start a petition immediately with the White House to have the Federal Department of Butthurt get on this post haste.
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@dollarvigilante some people simply have not the ability to understand sarcasm. Its not that they dont want, its just they are technically not able to. Therefore we all should better mark such texts as sarcasm, so that also people with this inability have a chance to understand what is going on.
Otherwise, well done post! Yea we truly need a discussing when to flag and what to flag. I also think just downvoting because you think the person gets too much should not be the same as flagging. Its questionable if we ever should downvote somebody just we think that the person gets too much.
I think mainly this has to do with using an exponential payout algorithm. If you simply could distribute your own money, then nobody would question why you spent your money for this person. Spending his own money would be similar like using an linear payout algorithm.
In the following post i summarized why it could be good to use a more linear payout algorithm.
I hope this can enrich the discussion about ¨down¨ voting:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@arcurus/tagging-and-flagging-hidden-by-a-whale-how-to-evolve-further
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Sarcasm relies on tone of voice, and tone of voice does not attach itself to text.
EDIT: And without making it past the title and first 2 or 3 lines, it looked like a rant. I shoulda hung in there and read the rest of it.
Didn't.
Posted.
Paid the price.
Now tending to all these pitchfork wounds.
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A line like that should allow you to work it out. Practically every line is cartoonishly absurd.
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Thats the point >.<.
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Yup, that is one hell of a line lol
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You thought the whole story was true????? Wow.
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@dollarvigilante
I'm with you Jeff, have faith in Steemit.com, not so much in the users here. The majority seem to be like reddit users, they are often not the most complete thinkers. Its why reddit is so full of nonsense.
Too much idiocy to weed through to get to anything of value.
Like I said on FTL, spread the love man!!
Its a community after all. And when people see that dollarvigilante had upvoted them, your reputation will rise. You'll find fewer detractors. :^)
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Let me put it this way: If your post was meant to incite interaction: mission accomplished. ;-)
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I didn't read the whole thing. Your title made me grumble and I read about the first paragraph.
My bad? Whatever.
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So didn't get a new yacht?
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Oh try not to be so hard on them if you can. I'm OUT. This was funny.
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Georgie Boy is awesome
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the summer of George yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas!
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LOL
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waw. Or maybe you lost your sense of humour?
ALso, how broken is the flagging system? I flagged ur comment for being just plain wrong and it vanishes it from the feed? Broken.
I unflagged it cuz even wrong opinions should be visible for others to laugh at.
:)
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I hope they are working on a fix to that too. The recent update yesterday fixed a similar issue but with entire posts being greyed out in category feeds due to a single flag.
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The "Steemit is a scam" part should have tipped you off.
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That's a very limited, and ultimately false, interpretation of how sarcasm works.
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Doesn't Poe's law belong somewhere in this discussion?
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dude, seriously?
did you read it throughout, or simply JUDGE.
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@winstonwolfe <gaffaw!> I call bs! Just admit you jumped to a wrong conclusion - it's the only way to stop digging the hole deeper. :D
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I'm pretty sure I did admit that.
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i think its obvious that this is sarcasm.. i know you dont have a bodyguard ;)
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Actually that part is true.
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btw. i assume that you own your own house.
what do you think of my door stopper
https://steemit.com/doorstopper/@knozaki2015/i-finally-cracked-the-doorstopper-problem-introducing-the-world-s-best-door-stopper-steemit-exclusive
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damn ;)
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!.....the fun we have here :D
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Even the part about being a narcissistic capitalist?
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I'll classify myself as a victim of a clickbaity title.
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No that was my question to the dollar vigilante fellow -- he said the whole post was sarcasm, which I guess means he thinks he's NOT a narcissistic capitalist.
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Ah, Winston, you disappoint me, my man. Always good to read the whole thing, sometimes over and over again before commenting and correcting someone. Best you can do is own it and say "Yeah, I criticized too quickly and apologize." Having followed Jeff for a bit, this post doesn't surprise me at all. It's some funny creative writing indeed.
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Absolutely my fault. I'm at work, didn't have much more than a few seconds to read into his post, and I jumped the gun. I kind of wish everybody would stop replying so that I had to continue replying back. This is turning into me looking like I'm fishing for votes. Totally not the case. In the meantime, I'll be sure to not reply until I know I have enough time to really soak in what I'm looking at. I know his post from yesterday left a somewhat sour taste in people's mouths, and I think I based my comment off of that.
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No, I don't see myself as being a narcissist (although no narcissist thinks they are). If you click the hyperlink you'll see someone claimed I was. I was making fun of that.
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@daollarvigilante Not exactly what I meant when I said highlight some folks you think are doing good work, but well played.
FYI the reason you made less, had less to do with your downvote from @berniesanders and more to do with the fact that there is a fixed liquidity pool with only so much to go around each day. The act of any up or down vote is just someone saying they think you are entitled to a greater or lesser share of the pool that day for that post.
Your screen shot shows you already had a trending post that day. So basically you damaged your earnings on that post, more than anyone else, because you had multiple posts up at the same time. :)
Yes many people think you are a narcissist, myself included. Most of us don't care, several including myself view that as an asset. The whales supporting you right now are doing so for the PT Barnum effect. You are bringing people in the door and raising the profile of the site. Some folks have taken to calling you P.T. Berwick (you're welcome). All that matters at this stage of the game is metcalf's law.
Users especially whales are concerned with the value of steem in the 2 year range because that's when they will be cashing out and they will need people to sell to. More subscribers means less steem to go around and more people jockeying for the power that being a whale provides. Hence upward pressure on the price.
Fair price for steem right now is around $6.70 if you're selling it for less you need your head examined. Imagine what happens when we get to 1 million steemians.
Keep showing personal growth like this (by highlighting content you think is worth looking at) and you may win new followers.
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And if you look carefully you'll see what I was making fun of.
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Evidently not!
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I am really enjoying this First Stemmit Civil war. Yall can find toolbox of solutions in #bitnation .
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Oh the entire thing was? LOL nicely played.
Initially I thought you were actually kind of serious (though bringing up some interesting things for the community to sort through).
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Holy shit, you made 20 bucks on a comment and my post on Market Cycles made a measly 4 cents! I hate you Jeff Berwick! It's your fault!
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Hey @dollarvigilante you should take part and let your followers know about the Steemit thunderclap about to happen, it's already surpassed it's goal but the more the merrier
https://www.thunderclap.it/projects/45276-the-first-steemit-crowdspeak?locale=en
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He also didn't notice you tagged the post in #whyistilllovesteemit
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I came here because of you, Jeff! I kept going back up to the top to make sure it was actually WRITTEN by Dollar Vigilante- I thought your account had been hacked!! P.S. Haha! Grey Goose dirty martinis- YUM!!!!!
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it may not be new to you but the 10,000 new users who came in may not agree since we don't have a good archive system...plus he presented it in a very funny manner with all sorts of analogy. The quality of the post was not the question but more of a "crab bucket" phenomena, people don't like seeing people getting out of the bucket. Same thing happened with @heidatravel and others who were having phenomenal success.
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It just rubbed me the wrong way I think.
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I think you read the title and skipped straight to the comment section.
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I really did too. He got me.
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So you agreed that you didn't read the whole post, that you didn't get his sarcasm, and your only defense is "at least it wasn't as bad as that post."
And then spending all the time replying to every comment in his post, its starting to sound either like trolling or fishing for votes now.
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Please don't make it out to be that way. That was not my intention at all.
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Agreed, although I don't know a heidatravel : P
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We are going to have thousands of new people coming in and they are going to look for information of how Steemit works which mean those type of post are going to constantly rise. Why are you mad at people who are providing that information? It's what the people want at that moment and that's what this site about, catering to what people want at the moment. It's the whole reason for voting.
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I don't disagree, the archiving system needs some work. If we had a way of categorizing the more popular "Steemit How-To" posts, I think this may alleviate that issue to a large degree.
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For the record, I wrote that post because thousands came in through me and they were all asking the same questions... I sent it out over all my networks and received hundreds of "thank yous" from people who didn't understand how to post properly and get good results on Steemit.
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What I will say is at least I didn't take it as far as posting this:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@kdugar/why-dollar-vigilante-is-an-a-shole-and-needs-to-be-taught-how-to-respect-people
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http://www.steemithelp.com/index.php?/selfhelp/categories
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I think that should be a link on the front page of steemit.com homepage.
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I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who saw the satire in this post. I love @berniesanders and I appreciate what you are doing here as well.
I won't say I speak for @berniesanders, but I do understand how the same type of content being repeated, even though I feel your motives are good may hurt steemit long term.
You already have plenty of users following you and looking to you for your future posts. You have covered your background (fascinating!) and some general tips that should help new users.
I think it may be time for you to hold a creative contest giving back to the community that blessed you with thousands of dollars of support. You now have the platform to make new dolphins and by doing so you will further yourself as someone who brings long term value to steemit.
You could create a contest that hasn't been done before, but I think the expectations are so high right now that anything less than a completely unique post may have people divided and believing you are driving content more on status and less on content. (whether or not this is fair is another question, but that seems to be the vibe I have been seeing).
Also perfecting the flagging system / moderation is important. It would be nice to see why the 30 people above flagged your post without some hiding behind anonymity. They have the right to flag, but should have to give the reason why so others can understand not just on this post, but every post.
Anyone is free to weigh in with their 2 cents New Content Flagging System With Feedback
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They are not anonymous in the blockchain. Take the URL for this article and change steemit.com in it to steemd.com and you can see the name of every person that voted, flagged, etc.
I do agree with your image though. People are referring to it as a down vote. It is not. It is a flag. Even other sites that have both upvote and downvote have a FLAG which means something different.
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I understand that you can see who upvoted and who flagged, but the issue is that it is not mandatory to give a reason why a post or comment was flagged. While I would get my reputation destroyed if I went through and flagged all of a new users post I didn't like, if I had to say why I did each flag, users could see that my flags were not applicable to what was being flagged.
I actually called out the user who flagged my content about flagging (kind of funny) but he she could just not like me, disagree, have hit the button by accident, but I have no way to contact or dispute the flag.
I feel that needs to addressed and you are a user I respect @dwinblood so I would love to have you in the comments on the post.
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berniesanders What he did was nothing less than flag abuse. The devs need to update the flag programing to quickly get this problem under control
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@james212 No it's appropriate use of flagging for a whale to do this. They are pulling momentum out of a post and then spreading it around. Agreed about the devs making this more granular.
What impacted his per post earnings was too many posts that day. He still pulled in multiple kilobucks, but he had to work harder for it because of all his posts were in competition for the same limited supply of money.
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@wlliambanks. If it is appropriate for a whale, then it is appropriate for any member to do this. I think it is better idea to address the issue by tweaking the programing. I seems that the up-vote/value allocation logarithm is not tweaked sufficiently to deal with highly popular posters likes like @Dollarvigilante or others that are sure to come.
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@james212 I think we're both right. My point was that as a whale, bernie had a duty to push down content he didn't feel was appropriate. 1000 minow downvotes couldn't have had the same effect as a single bernie vote, and so you're right too.
There needs to be more granular options available.
"Flag for abuse" vs "I downvote"
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The first rule of steemit is do not lose your password!
There are no written rules for the use of flagging apart from individual interpretation. Lots of steemers have declared their views on what appropriate flagging is but people are still free to flag how they want.
I don't agree with berniesanders reason for flagging, but I am glad that he and the rest of us are free to decide what we believe to be appropriate flagging!
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Flag abuse 1% mentality. I've already made several comments on this idea of "Quality Content" being a strange concept for a site that states it wants to be a platform for Free Speech and a big Social Media site. Everyone wants to share their point of view, but not everyone wants to be a technical writer or an Author.
Based on one day only and still with an open mind, I am not disappointed there are whales, I am disappointed at the difference between the Whales and the Minnows. (CEO with stock options asking the Janitor to write content)
However, I find the whole experiment entertaining and interesting.
Oh, and one last thought on the voting power. My voting power only helps me if I vote for my own articles, otherwise it just gives me power to influence others. I don't totally "get it" yet.
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I made the mistake of calling him out for being an arbitrary, vindictive envy-monger. He flagged this post and it hammered my rep 6 points and took a $260 post down to $33 that was something he hadn't even seen.
I have seen others posting to the effect that when Bernie notices you, suddenly all these bots upvote you as well. In my opinion he is gaming the system. I am sure the devs will figure out what it is he is doing and close the gate.
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I actually think a how to post in Steem it post from dollar vigilante would get a lot more attention then one of the long time authors. I am glad he posted it. He helped all the newbies that read it and learned to post better. Glad to hear you are staying on. It certainly is an interesting expiriment
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Don't worry, we all make mistakes. Those who own up to their mistakes are the better men.
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Upvoted for good attitude.
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Absolutely correct. The dollar makes everyone excited and over night dollars that's large in sum makes many overly excited and our judgment can be a little off. Keep banging out post and do you. The way you are got me following you years ago, you change I might change and i'm not in the mood for all these changes.
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I agree. Tensions are high at the moment being a promising new platform where there is money to be made.
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I dknow in theory that is what he did. I don;t know that I agree with the reasons for it. Rather, I agree with the reasons for it, but if it not always done, should it have been done in this case? He is high profile, and possibly was targeted for it as such. Lots of unoriginal material has been posted and made some money. Also, why should one vote have the power to knock out half the rewards from other votes?
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I doubt that berniesanders' concience would be completely clear if he was asked if his downvote was free of jealousy or feeling threatened.
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I vote for your humility my friend
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It was jokingly written. He ( @dollarvigilante ) will not be hurt by this so much but it sets a precedent which could punish the minnows quite harshly.
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I don't know what you said before the EDIT (but I can infer the gist from the replies).
It's refreshing to see someone own a mistake and admit it, not just dig in and double down. This is the path to real discourse and it should be encouraged. Lesson learned and all that...
kudos.
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Hey there, winstonwolfe. This was clearly sarcasm and it was great. I am daunted as to how it was not obvious.
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Probably because I'm at work, and I really should not be on steemit when I'm working. My bad.
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@onceuponatime wrote a post 3 days ago about "Flagging Etiquette and Practice", I believe it to be very relevant now and I invite you all to read it: https://steemit.com/steemit/@onceuponatime/flagging-etiquette-and-practice
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hehehe...
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Me right now lol
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Pass the popcorn... lol!
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me too, but look at what i posted.......down below a few, with the male makeup....
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Full post now here: https://steemit.com/male-makeup/@stellabelle/7-reasons-the-dollar-vigilante-should-do-a-male-makeup-tutorial-to-redeem-himself-on-steemit
@dollarvigilante,
I've been thinking about your situation all morning while writing my dense article about how I was crushed as a sensitive 18 year-old and I am happy to proclaim that I have a solution for your unique problem of coming across as an entitled and arrogant individual. Now, I have never met you so I cannot say for certain that this is true, however your latest clickbait title would indicate something along those lines. But it's just a hunch, nothing concrete.
Anyway, the minnows and some whales are feeling a bit hesitant so far to embrace your particular form of re-hashed, self-expression so I believe this is the solution that would make you popular here on the Steemit platform. You should do a Second Male Makeup Tutorial. This would garner you lots of votes and even from your most bitter enemies. They would soften when they'd watch you apply the rosy-hued tints to your nicely shaped cheeks. I was going to provide you with a solid outline, and non-click baity title for you to use, but maybe you can generate those yourself. Here's a potential model for your to follow, as the male makeup tutorials have followed this particular style since the first month of Steemit:
If you were to take me up on this proposal, there would never be any need for any of us to go to mainstream media, ever again.
Sincerely,
Stellabelle
Take notes to create the second male makeup tutorial: https://steemit.com/beauty/@roelandp/the-first-steemit-male-makeup-tutorial-bringing-youtubers-to-steemit-roelandp-is-back
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Actually Snapchat makes this very easy to do. (Snapchat: vigilantexxx)
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Oh dear god... #CantUnsee
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OMG when did Paul Stanley arrive on steemit? Also did he bring along Gene Simmons and the rest of KISS? I am SUCH a huge fan!
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I might actually watch that makeup tutorial.
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God, I know!!!!!! I would totally watch it!
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@stellabelle I think I might have something for your secret-writer thing. Pretty sure I dated that gal for awhile.
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Are you sure I didn't write this? If I did, I was obviously drunk and don't remember ... but I still expect my cut. =b
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Downvoting you too for this post, as you can't just make a real post with useful information. Again you tell us how much you made again and again and this new post is just about how much you didn't make on the last one. Seriously, time to do some real work, maybe some dollar analysis or whatever you like, but something consistent.
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there is no downvoting only flagging for VERY important reason. If you don't like it, don't vote. If its plagiarized or downright hateful, then you can flag. Drill this into your head, otherwise this platform is just going to be another reddit.
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You said it brother!
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I didn't think there was consensus on how to use the downvote
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Everyone downvote as he wishes.
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Exactly. Click-bait titles. See my advise to him here: https://steemit.com/steemit/@steemist/advise-to-dollarvigilante-and-why-i-am-not-supporting-dollarvigilante-anymore-how-it-took-one-downvote-to-call-steemit-a-scam
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Is there a requirement that all posts need to just be "useful" information? Can their not be satire on the site? These are all questions that need to be understood over time.
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NO there isn't. But what you have to understand is that most posters, they post something non useful and they don't make any money and its no harm no foul. When youre making 20K a pop, if youre just posting the same bull we've seen 100 times before from promoted bloggers (see my point above) then even though it ought to be allowed, it shouldnt be compensated, at least not as much as it most likely would have been.
The problem with the way youre looking at is that youre coming in with the perception that earning a ton of money (or any money at all) on a post ought to be a given. For the overwhelming majority of posters here, it is not.
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No, I think you have it wrong. The market determines what is useful. The market determined. Through flag abuse the markets decision was reversed.
I agree with you the Jeff is pushing the money making aspect a bit too much. It is not the money the creates the value around there is the the synergy, and helpful comradery that creates this value. That said. The FREE MARKET spoke, and liked it. And that should have been the end of it.
Jeff, try to take some time an look into the community and the general philosophy a bit more. The Money is not what makes this place valuable. It is only the result of the value we create. The value lays in how the community is set up to best relate and help each other. That said, I am sorry that some people have sought to reverse your rewards.
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youre certainly entitled to your opinion. I think downvotes are just as much a part of the market as upvotes. You provide no evidence to back the notion that BS's use of a flag was abuse. There is nothing in the tos or anywhere else that backs up this belief.
The entirety of your point seems to be that people should be entitled to their vote, as long as they use it the same way you do. I disagree.
Most of the voting shares cast for TDV came from outside the free market, just like Bernies and other whale votes opposed to basically running steemit entirely to give tens of thousands of dollars to TDV and his friends.
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@sigmajin, for some reason I am unable to replay directly to your post (bug?), so I am replying here:
I am afraid your conclusion of the analysis of my post is incorrect. It seems we have mis-aligning view-points due to the fact that you seem to believe that the system uses up- voting and down-voting to achieve consensus, while I believe that the system uses up- voting , and non-voting to achieve consensus, while flagging is only used to denote violations. I have many reasons to have come to this conclusion, but I will just provide here a structural fact that to me makes it obvious. The fact is there is no down-vote arrow.
I am sure we would agree, that if we were building a similar platform which make use of up and down voting, the most logical thing would be to place the "down-vote" right next to the "up-vote" and in a similar representation. This is not the case here the flag (down-vote) is in the far upper right of the screen, having no relationship to the up-vote arrow neither in appearance, function or presentation. This tells me this is a different unrelated tool, and not a voting mechanism.
So, therefore when I take issue with what I see as excessive flagging for no clear reason. I am not taking issue with others dislike of the post (or the effect of the post), I am taking issue with the use of an in appropriate tool used my some to express personal disfavor. Again, to me, the system is build for personal disfavor to be expressed by non-voting, while violations are to be expressed my flagging.
With all that said, we may never have hope of agreeing on this until we get some clearer guidance form the creators about with the true structure and intention of the platform as it relates to the dynamics in question.
Enjoyed our vigorous discussion.
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I am a long time subscriber of yours but even i am growing tired of hearing about your sucess and less of the impending jubelee that you seem all of a sudden not willing to talk about. I think people are growing suspicious that you are getting high on money and are rolling with it.
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I thought this was about subjective value?
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Well, after a few posts to say the same stuff i just think it's time for you to let us know how you became so popular instead of using the popularity to make money. Because for those who don't know you, you haven't done anything yet. Maybe post some exclusive unique content here, something with real substance, and everyone is gonna shut up and up vote you.
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Have I somehow missed the compulsory reading function? It
s seems not to work in my wallet. I can still read what I want. Maybe ask a whale! As for "Seriously, time to do some real work, maybe some dollar analysis or whatever you like, but something consistent.". I think hell make you a fair price, just send him a line and ask, since you are so kind to him. He will be pleased to serve your taste, master najoh.Downvoting a post can decrease pending rewards and make it less visible. Common reasons:
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Flag is NOT a fucking downvote, you idiot.
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Bernie Sanders destroying wealth? Unpossible! Don't worry, Jeff, if you need a place to crash I have a bunch of shredded copies of Das Kapital in my back alley that you can sleep on.
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Hahaha Idk man I get your point but @berniesanders is like my favorite whale! He can do no wrong! :D
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It was sarcasm. Of course, he can do whatever he wants. It's the free market!
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face palm
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fab fab fab. :D
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Mine too! But you have to admit one simply HAD to take that joke opportunity. I`m german and I laughed so hard, when "Bernie" gave me my fist big payout . Imagine Jeffs reaction when he saw he got downvoted by Bernie Sanders :-) To me its priceless, but chacun ses gouts.
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LOL... You forgot to tag this as #funny... there will be consequences....
[cue the downvoting]
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Why do you keep up voting your own comments.
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because I get paid by the steem blockchain to do it
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Amen brother - use what you got.
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Because I have spent over $6000 buying steem power
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Why not?
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Like any other social media platform, it looks weird as hell
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Nobody likes the guy who likes his own comments on FB or Reddit, why would they here.
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That's the first time I've heard that....missed the memo
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It's like raising your voice above everyone else's. There are times when it's appropriate, but generally it's a bit rude.
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Because he values the success of the steemit platform, watch the video.
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? Because he can why censorship.
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Why shouldn't he?
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the only whale who upvoted me was @berniesanders, so if he wants to cash it all out? Why does he upvote the "little" guys like me?
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well, I did not mention him in my video, and I have no idea if he is powering down, so I am not the right person to ask that question
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well you mention: "there are whales who have downvoted this post" (the dollarvigilante post) are Bitcoiners" then " any whale who has downvoting this post........ they powering down, there cashing out" . Maybe I don't understand it right?
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I try not to get all muddled in the details, the point of my video is that there is a war of the steemit whales, for a battle between the bitcoin and steem blockchain, so pay attention for an opportunity to buy cheap steem and upgrade your steem power.
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I understand it.. keep up the good work Craig!
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@craig-grant hey bro I would love to talk to you for a few minutes about a couple of things. Wanna chat? I'm on rocket.
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that was worth quite a few laugh. All I can think about is the story of the crab bucket. I don't like people pulling down other just because their post is successful...especially when it's good content!
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I had no idea what the "crab bucket" story was and I'm glad I looked into it. Much truth in that parable.
Crab Bucket: http://guidezone.e-guiding.com/jmstory_crabs.htm
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FUCK!!!
You call steemit a SCAM ... and the market falls 20% LOL
Please don't do it again we have too many sheep's over here....
It almost looks like a plan to get cheap steems! :)
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Ha, what a clever and well-written post. Thank you for sharing. I know how discouraging it can feel to be flagged by a whale, the same thing happened to me. But you shouldn't be discouraged by that at all. The enormous success of your first few posts have shown that the community is very interested in your content so keep it up.
Props to you for sharing it in such a funny way, this is the right way to deal with negative events!
Looking forward to your next post!
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I'm not discouraged... I think its great, and fascinating to see how a free market functions.
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The best part was that BernieSanders was the one to do it. Hilarious post. I also read somewhere that more than 4 edits to a post will result in a diminished payout on a sliding scale, in line with the 4 top level posts per day rule. Maybe you would know if this is true still?
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the 4 edits to a post thing, untrue. You can edit all you want and it does not affect the payout.
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Good to know. I've been paranoid about this since first reading it.
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It was never true afaik.
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This right here is why Steemit is great, you made a sarcastic post that some people didn't see the humour in and started a good debate about how Steemit should work and all that jazz. Keep up the good writing, I for one love what you do and appreciate it.
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"I am a narcissistic capitalist. I don't cry".. lmao
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Haha, I love how your mouth is taped but you can still smoke. Don't worry Jeff, you still have many fans.
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@berniesanders needs to be on an episode of Anarchast.
please dealer, one time
He can be a silhouette with a voice disguiser thing.
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I wish those flagging would explain themselves.
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is not a scam
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haha best comment. You don't need thousand words
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you need to read the whole post. (facepalm)
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He was being sarcastic.
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@dollarvigilante. I think your great. I'm British, and we like to think we know a thing or 2 about dry humour and sarcasm, and you've got it down!! I truly hope your here to stay. Been pretty disappointed with some of the personal attacks you have had, things have really changed over the last few weeks.
Glad you've taken the downvoting well, for every down vote you get, there is a little extra money in the pot for the less well known users. Only upvotes from me though.
I'm sure you will become a Steemillionaire one day ;)
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That's not cool, it's not our fault that we are "public figures" and we have a following behind us.
Why should we be penalized for that?
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This also shows how censorship can be bought.
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SCARY
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This is probably going to stir up some pretty controversial drama as soon as the masses arrive. I'm going to guess they're going to put more pressure on the reputation system. As in how many different kinds of upvotes have you collected. Meanwhile downvoting only serves as flagging.
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Voila :)
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Well dam, that was a very uncapitalist thing to do on a social network that prides itself on being a free and uncensored network. This does not bode well. A few negative pieces off site, about Steemit and it could all come crashing down. Then how much would Steem be worth?
My little piece of input would be to take away some of that down vote power. Or just take away down votes all together. Then the types who like to abuse it will have their strength take away.
Steemit I promise to never down vote one of your posts. I truly believe in a free and open internet. If I wanted a dictator telling me what I can and can´t say I would stay on CommunistBook.
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Might as well get rid of bad grades in school and late fees at banks too. No market consequences for anyone! hooray!
Steemit never claims to not be censored. The steem blockchain isn't but the interface we're using is very much censored according to the will of the owners (majority shareolders aka whales).
Freedom is the freedom to downvote if you want to. They're just market signals. When people flag me, I pay attention and learn from it. They're valuable that way.
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Is that cruel ?? @hilarski @piedpiper @dollarvigilante
What if that person does not know anything ?? And get downvote without knowing mistake, whether it be said fair ?? Continues to be down and harm the reputation of the person, and many parties ..
Give input only, What if someone crosses the line about a post or in a comment, warning or reprimand through tolerance to immediately remove what he had written, in order not to harm fellow user ..
Thank you.. :)
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Glad you asked, @febieline - When you downvote someone, your action is visible to the community and you have to be prepared to explain your reasoning to the satisfaction of your peers. Otherwise, you will quickly establish a reputation for cruelty any be ostracized by the community. You'll make yourself a target and won't be able to continue functioning normally. Nobody has any incentive to flag people without cause. Warnings are great and @berniesanders has been handing them out plentifully, which I really appreciate. At the end of the day, whales are invested in Steemit and everything they do is for the betterment of the platform. We are working to grow our investment and reckless, abusive behavior comes with severe consequences. I hope that helps. Let me know if any other concerns come to mind :)
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@piedpiper, I see an account named @arisromansyah88, I think he commented on the post someone does not say rude or rest, I do not know why anyone could give downvote someone to reduce the reputation of the person, there is the peculiarity that I see and confuses me, why others which gives downvote tresebut but not the person who made such postings are on downvote, my view there is no abuse or harsh words were spoken by Mr. @arisromansyah88 ..
You can check the name of it .. !!! @piedpiper
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This is very smart advice to follow. You do a great job helping all levels of users here @piedpiper (still one of my favorite names)
Could you also weigh in on the option to have downvotes and flags be separate and also require flaggers to select a reason? I'm tryin to get some of the great minds together to discuss. @smooth has offered a lot of good ideas and would love to have your comments in there as well. New Content Flagging System With Feedback. Ironically it has a flag already from @mootdadoe which has no explanation, but if my proposal is implemented would force him/her to choose a reason why they flagged content.
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Thanks for the kind words, @bendjmiller222
Anyone can flag. The more steem power you have, the more monetary damage your flag will do. Only those with a higher reputation can affect your reputation score. I'm not sure if you recover the little bit of lost voting power if you remove your flag but I don't think it really matters because it's a fairly small amount anyway.
I definitely have my own ideas about how the voting/flagging system can be improved and I'll be making a video about it tomorrow. :)
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I think it is less a matter of censoring (i.e. making "undesireable" information UNavailable), and more a matter of minimizing (i.e. making "undesireable" information less visible while still being available). I like your analogy about votes being market signals. Some market players have the ability to generate stronger signals than others. A whale has a much higher voting weight than the average steemer, even if that whale decides to scale down their vote by lowering the percentage. For example, my vote has a weight of 6,516, but @dantheman has a weight of 214,532,135 -- so only if @dantheman were to adjust his voting percent to 0.003% would my vote be worth the same as his.
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But why not give a clear statement to give downvote someone, if indeed he is the pope is large, then cherish reputation of people who are already struggling to provide and participate in community steemit, comfort for more users to not carelessly say, a lot of things to give warning for it, without having to give downvote arbitrarily just because he was a pope, telling remove any posting or posting comments on other people could be right, @goodluckcanuck .. !!!
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No disrespect, but I had trouble parsing exactly what you are trying to say. I am not saying that this imbalance of power is unfair -- I was simply making the observation about how much difference in power there really is between Whales and Minnows. I am not going to down-vote a post because I don't care for the article, subject, or perspective. I would reserve down-votes for posts that I feel are damaging to an individual or to the community as a whole.
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On another note, I have been getting a feeling lately that the only strongly valued content on here relates to steem. I am not sure how sustainable this ecosystem will be in the long run if this continues. People writing original non-steem content will get discouraged and move on to other platforms. Right now, I think the rules are as follows:
The first rule of steemit is: you talk only about steemit.
The second rule of steemit is: you talk ONLY about steemit!
Third rule of steemit: if someone writes original content about food, science, or sports, the post is over.
Fourth rule: only steemit and travel posts are allowed to trend
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Yeah, and in that case, it's up to YOU to find fun articles about science or philosophy or food or whatever, and upvote it! We're in this together, and I'm on Steemit for the long-term. I'm gonna have fun here, and make this a community.
This means I have to put making money as a secondary objective.
The number one goal is to have fun making friends and sharing ideas.
Upvote this post if you agree! ;)
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It might be true that the most valued posts right now are about Steemit, but this is to be expected since the majority of users, especially the one's with the most Steem Power, are mostly interested in Steemit. I think this will change over the course of the next year as more people become aware of the platform. Give it some time. I think we'll see an evolution happen over time where other groups will catch on to it and start upvoting each others posts. I remember when Twitter first came out, it seemed like the only people using it were trying to sell something and I thought, there was no way it could last if the only thing you see on Twitter is a bunch of spammy advertising. There is still a lot of garbage and advertising on Twitter but it seems to have established itself as more than just that now.
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Don't get me wrong here, folks: I have voted for (and will continue to vote for) posts about steemit. I have nothing against the subject, and there are tons of really good articles on the subject. That said, there is also lots of good material on other subjects that simply gets lots in the noise. That's all I am getting at.
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Almost downvoted this just to be ironic, but I agree with you so I didn't.
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lol right on. I was half-expecting it anyway ;)
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I also almost downvoted because I'm still bitter about you downvoting a post of mine a few weeks ago.
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@bacchist As The Art of War teaches, never enter into a battle you haven't already won ;)
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What don't you get? This is not a free market, you obviously didn't bother to read the white paper, it's laid out. This is a contributor owned network, and Bernie, whoever he is, has bought, or earned a seat at the director's table, so like a capitalist venture, his vote counts more than yours, as it should. This isn't a democracy, or even a republic. While everyone is free to reach for a spot in the Oligarchy, they are free to slap you down when they feel you're dumbing down the content pool.
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This guy gets it :) There will soon be other platforms on the steem blockchain to choose from so the free market aspect will become more pronounced but for now, this is the first corporation to set up on the island and as members, we work for the controlling shareholders.
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As it always is.
First Rule Of Being An Outlaw: Know the law.
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Which leads me to one of my favorite realizations in life, limitations and roadblocks are always finite and definable, while opportunity is always limitless. There are always an infinite number of other ways to approach any problem.
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Down voting is critical to this ecosystem so that material that is grossly inappropriate (it will happen and it will be shocking) can be down voted out of sight.
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And this fits that definition - how exactly?
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It doesn't, that's my point
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I wrote a post about this about a week ago and got no love.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@razorwave8/steemit-down-vote-should-be-done-away-with-proof-is-in-the-numbers
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hehehe there is only one thing that comes to my mind right now.
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What happened was ridiculous and exactly what this site claims it is trying to get away from...
Absolute power corrupts absolutely!
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It's a bit of a situation for sure. I think we can postulate all we want. I don't care for the use of a downvote, especially by a "whale" used as a means to undo the opinion on everyone else, based solely on their opinion of the pay amount or content, both of which I have seen used as reasons given. It's an experiment for sure, but that is something that needs to be looked into more. 500 upvotes, all undone by a few... makes it seem less decentalized. If it isn't used evenly throughout the system, don't use it.
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Haha, Great stuff Jeff. Glad to hear you didn't actually spill your drink. Close call!
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Well, I actually follow you for some time and I like your posts, BUT, as we are, like you say, on a decentralized social network, all have the same right to downvote and to upvote.
Im glad you can take it with such humour, I guess some would have started crying.
And, god damn it, you are right, caviar ain't cheap these days, so if you want send your helicopter over here to Russia, and I will get it slightly cheaper for you
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And the battle of the whales begins, just like @craig-grant said recently :)
We need more popcorn.
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Hehehe
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@dollarvigilante upvoted your content and edited my post to basically remove everything. Like I said..no harm, no foul. Good luck ☺
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Rewarding writing is doing quality content. But quality content can be so diverse. A sophistcated post, an unexpected ending, a unique idea, or simply an interaction provoking article. This post clearly met the last one.
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DV. Im a fan. Youre one of like 4 ppl i regularly watch on youtube, so im not trying to say this disrespectfully. But bernie was absolutely right to downvote you.
There are a couple reasons why:
1.Your post was shitty. Anything you have to say about "how to write a successful post on steemit" is completely suppositious. You could have posted your laundry list +dickpics and it would have still made you 50k. thats just a fact. If you want to tell people how to make a successful post on steemit beyond "be a famous crypto personality", then go make a new account and make a successful post that doesnt depend on your name. (and yes, btw, i do recognize that you acknowledged that your noteriety was a part of your success)
2.You, quite frankly, were getting more money than you were worth (or at least bernie thought so and Im inclined to agree), for a fairly limited contribution overall. This isnt the market speaking, it was a variety of other whales who got together and supported you becasue your presence here was determined beneficial to the platform. POst after post making 20K a shot from you simply means that there are less rewards for others. At some point someone has to step in and say "enough" already.
Ive seen ned and dan's posts (the founders) get voted down by whales like @smooth becasue he felt that it was inappropriate for site announcements to get high payouts.
Its also only fair to note that no, you did not get tape put over your mouth. You were not censored. You just didnt make any money for the post -- which is exactly the spot where most posters are with most posts on steemit.
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That is the market speaking. The whales are part of the market. It was also the market speaking when he got downvoted (by bernie first and then some other whales too). Works both ways.
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I agree with you up to a point (esp the part about how his upvotes and downvotes all came from the same system). When i think market forces, i think the wisdom of crowds, decentralization etc. 6 or 7 guys isnt a "market force" its just 6 or 7 guys.
What i should have said was "your success wasn't based on your broad appeal to the steemit userbase, or a widespread appreciation for your content, but to the support of a very small number of individuals"
and yeah like you said, it was also a very small number of individuals who negated some of that success.
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It was both really. HIs posts got 800-900 votes each, which is close to the high end of what any post ever gets (I think there were a few over 1000).
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That goes back to the whole exposure debate. IMO, once a post gets "pinned" to the enrty page by high earnings, the votes it gets don't really act as an accurate market gauge.
that said, i think things are getting better.. ive definitely seen an improvement over the past several days.
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There is no such thing as downvoting. There is only flagging for inappropriate content. Apparently some people think "content" means "earnings."
"...so im not trying to say this disrespectfully."
Why is it that whenever someone says that, they immediately go on to be completely disrespectful?
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Im not sure where you got this information. If you believe that this is the case, youre certainly entitled to vote accordingly. But this belief is not supported anywhere that I am aware of. Even the term "flag" only exists in the UI (and not even there, except in picture form). In the actual API, its just a negative vote. There is no "rule" saying that a downvote is only appropriate in "x" circumstance. We're entitled to downvote DV for not posting dickpics and laundry lists, if thats what we really want to see.
I don't think i was being disrespectful. It certainly wasn't my intention. I was being honest. Sometimes, honesty requires bluntness. respect is not a duty to conceal the truth in flattery
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Originally, in the UI, it appeared as a down arrow next to the upvote arrow. They changed the UI deliberately so as not to give the impression that it was just to be used for stuff you don't like.
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"I don't think i was being disrespectful."
"1.Your post was shitty"
Do you need more details?
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Yes, I do. If i said the author was shitty, and not the post, i would understand your beef.
are you saying that a post can't be shitty? So ever saying that it is is disrespectful to the author.
Or are you saying that its disrespectful to tell an author that his post is shitty when you really believe that it is, in fact, shitty?
Note that I did explain in detail to the author why i believe that his post was shitty. Its not as though i cast unsubstantiated aspersions.
Now, i understand that Mr. Berwick (and many others) may not agree with me, but i do think the observation, in context, has merit.
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and just as a side note, bernie has downvoted me before... and though i still disagree with his decision, whatever who cares.
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Something to keep in mind is that this is a double edged sword. If you want to have a discussion on whether or not whales should have the centralized power to take rewards away, you need to realize that the whale's centralized power over Steem distribution is the reason you've made 30k here. You didn't get that reward because your posts were popular and valued the masses. Its possible, but we have no way of knowing because the only votes that matter when it comes to money are the whales. If you want to have a discussion on changing the way it works I'm all for it, just remember that the way the system currently works is probably the reason you got massive payouts. Right now the whales giveth, and the whales taketh away.
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also 100% this ^
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Glad to see #TheDollarVigilante on Steemit! Because of you Jeff I discovered CryptoCurrency, now that you are on this site, I will be looking forward to your posts on the feed! Welcome to Steemit mate!!
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Like i've proven yesterday, the power of speech outweights even your thousands of followers and your millions of dollars. Take some lessons and learn from it. You've been knocked down by nothing but words from a nobody without followers.
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I'd say that @berniesanders did the correct thing. And lets see how much you contribute to community from now. You're still continuing with click-bait titles and you expect us to believe that you will contribute? Steemit is far from scam. What if someone read your title and reach to that FALSE conclusion that steemit is scam? Man, I do not hate you nor I love you but your actions are objectionable.
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clickbait is bad if there is no fish at the end of the bait. Not having a great headline is the best way to get ignored among the noise of social media.
Welcome to the real world. Headlines are everything
PS: if I received the treatment that he's got I would probably put a giant middle finger in the air and maybe even start bashing the platform for the stupid actions of community.
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It's called marketing. This post will get tons of views and bring more people to Steemit to find out what it is.
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I also think so. Absolutely useless text. And absolutely rightly downvoted.
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I'm terrible at it but you guys are funny :)
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@dollarvigilante - It has been pointed out to me that this was supposed to be #satire.....I have read it twice now and just don't see it.
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Really?
I asked my assistant to dial up the local yacht dealership to purchase a new yacht...
"Don't ask questions, worker! I own you!" I snapped back.
"That'll barely pay a day's wage for my chef, driver, gardener, maid and bodyguard!"
I am wondering where my next 7 course meal will come from!
"Maria? Tell my child labor slaves to make up a new batch of silk tissues, I feel a tear coming on."
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@dollarvigilante You got downvoted to 0$ payout because "the people of the internet" didn't liked at all the way you are squeezing the juice of this orange!
I notice you gave a like to the tweet I've sent you about the thunderclap campaign. It's curious how although you liked the tweet you didn't (yet) support the campaign?
This could help a little bit "cleaning your image" here at steemit by giving something back to the community after already had pocket +30.000$. Again, here are the links and I'll continue to wait for your feedback to know if you're in or out.
Direct link to thunderclap campaign
Link to Post
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I remember a week ago @smooth flagged my post because I was asking support to invite my Belgian CEO who has a huge business network in Europe. After he flagged me, I asked him if its necessary, I even made a post expressing my disappointment and go to sleep. Waking up in the morning, I checked on my profile and found the message coming @smooth telling that he removed the flag. I was very happy and we had a few talks and it turns out that he was a very kind person. I understand that they are just trying to protect the community of any bad possibilities that might become habitual in the future.
After that conversation my post rake $124 not bad compared to $0, $0, $0 and $0. Today Im still having problem in gaining upvotes but it's alright I'll just have to wait for my luck. Someday I will be seen. Thanks for all the advices.
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The cigarette sticking out of your taped mouth is killing me..... Classic. Thanks, I needed a good laugh today. This makes me think of Peter Seller's type humor...love it
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So this is when you are overly confident
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This is beyond hilarious! I love it so much.
At the same time, downvoting quality content is not a practice that should be endorsed. The algorithm should dock your steem score if you downvote something that hundreds of people have upvoted.
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totally agree I have been saying the same thing. If you do not like the content - there is a MUTE BUTTON
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If one person with popularity can gain a lot of votes then one person with a lot of voting power should be allowed to curate a post that has been written better by countless and nameless others.
Now if Bernie would have down-voted something original of Jeff's, I could see the issue, but he didn't.
I bet if Jeff redid his post from the marketing perspective that he has than the post would have went through just fine.
Bernie was not being biased, it's just that it happened to a likable guy. If Justin Bieber came on here and did the same no one would disagree either way with the downvotes.. at least I don't think so.
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with all that being said I'm still up-voting this post :)
because you are a great writer
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The humor won me over :D
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Lol you always with your cig, and your eyes so red, ginga. You should admit atleast that bernie is making you change your strategy.
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If anyone thinks its bad now, watch when kanye catches on and then starts getting downvoted. Now that's entertainment.
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I haven't liked any of Dollar Vigilante's posts before because I believed he was getting a disproportionate share for marginally above average content.
But I am happy to like this post for humility and for educating me about how Steem dynamics working today, in an ironic tone, without having to thrall through droves of drivel. This is not a circle jerk party, but genuine content.
Today @BernieSanders had the power. But that will not always be the case. In future there will be many many more dolphins than whales, and content producers will be prostitutes, as they are today, but they'll be paid prostitutes, instead of beggars on the street, as they are today.
It's a disgrace that contemporary society considers paying content producers as "donation", since opening up the market to everyone in the internet age. Those who add value should be recompensed in a free market!
In a way, Steem is the unionisation of prostitutes.
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While it is obviously sarcasm to you, you still created a pot that is at the top of the steemit page that says steemit is a scam. Given that we are trying very hard to build a community here and attract people to the site, and a lot of people will just read the headline without spending the time to read the post, I find this extremely disrespectful to the community. While you can say whatever you want, the fact you chose to use your free speech for this is in poor taste. While my measly down vote won't count for much, I plan to use it on this post.
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If people can't understand sarcasm or if they only choose to read headlines, this community probably is not for them anyway.
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Having the number three (possibly soon to be number one) post at the top of the site saying steemit is a scam is going to hurt the site. You can write that off as we didn't want them to join in the first place because they didn't spend the time to open the article and read the whole thing first, but the reality is people will probably never do that on a site they know little to nothing about. They will see a headline like that and run. I wouldn't assume that everyone who would do that is someone we don't want on the site.
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This is a great post @dollarvigilante.
When I saw you show up here I knew you would be a polarizing individual. I personally like your style, even though at times it is over the top or something I do not agree with, I can appreciate it.
I met you in Austin at the bitcoin conference there a couple of years ago at the speedway, good stuff.
Cheers, and I hope you are here for along time provoking thoughts...or just provoking.
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@dollarvigilante wrote a successful intro post and made a bunch of money off it. He followed the same formula and wrote a 2nd post, which also made a healthy profit. The only measure of success here is how much a post makes/how much conversation it generates. Why would he change a winning formula when he has had nothing but success with it so far?
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You are crying here because your post made only 122.04. You made and you will make a lot of money and other people are not making $0.05 and they are not complaining so much. I know it was inappropriate but it's already in the past. You are so good that you can make a lot from any post you make. Don't consume your energy and time going back in the past. It's about principles I get that, but prove them that you are better. I wish I could make so amazing post like you.(think about this)
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There was a great post by @steve-walschot recently about you which I whole-heartedly agree with. For you to be actually valued, you have to contribute to the community. And contribution doesn't mean posting stuff like this or about how you made x amount of money in y amount of time.
I look up to people of this community like @xeroc who actually strive to make the platform better. Seriously, do you think that a sarcastic post about how a steemit whale @berniesanders downvoted you would be an original or insightful post that people might want to read?
This is definitely not a jealous rant that you make a lot more money than anyone else does. It is my own view of the situation and I can be a 100% wrong.
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I think we all noticed it was sacarstic "in a sense" as you were making fun of all the people who can't get any money for they posts, telling them what they should do, while in the mean time posting something at the opposite of what you were explaining. So basically just expecting money on your name without any meaningful content... that's kinda gross for anyone trying to publish something decent here...
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Like you, I have watched thousands evaporate due to a few downvotes. Unlike you, not one of the downvoters bothered to take the time to tell the world why they were downvoting. The free market can be a real dick.
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So really, How many more of "zero substance" articles are you going to write while everyone throws cash at you.
At first I was pumped to see you here, but your previous post about newbs not writing there blogs good enough is just garbage.
This post is beyond garbage. I assume it was written with a hangover while consuming a large Bloody mary.
Is what it is. But if this is where the future of steemit is heading, its beginning to look bleak.
Please change my mind! I would love to read a good article from you about something other than how much cash your removing from the system. Thanks.
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LOL upvoted. It's hilarious how mad some of these people are over someone posting and making money on a platform that was designed to do so. It is set up for whales to make an impact, but I suspect it won't hold Jeff down. He'll provide good content regardless.
Glad to see Jeff taking the hate in good humor. Also find it very ironic that Bernie Sanders is the one that made the downvote.
Your next post should be: Jeff Berwick - How to go from Steemillionaire to bankrupt in 1 week :)
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Really was anyone who know's their respective views supervised that @berniesanders and @dollarvigilante would come to blows like that?
They represent diametrically opposing camps in the steemit community and in the political landscape in general
But @berniesanders has WAY more power and influence here than @dollarvigilante. If he wants to win in a smackdown here, he's going to need to purchase some steem and convert it to steem power. With the depressed price of steem and the absolutely amazing user growth there has never been a better time to buy than now.
Look at
Jeff Berwick vs Bernie Sanders
If that's not clear go here and put in their names to see exactly how this works out.
@dollarvigilante If you're in it to win it, get a bunch more steem, turn it into steempower and upvote stuff you like. @fyrstikken can probably help you acquire enough to do this.
Otherwise you'll be 3 years trying if you're strategy is to post to earn that much, especially if you cash out your SBD.
Also your followers who really want to make money here can buy more steem off the open market, convert it to SP here and use that power to make their voice heard. #1 tip you missed in your earlier tutorial. ;)
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the only reason to flag a person is if they say bad stuff against your favorite soccer club , (joke) Bless you all guys.
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Anyone who names themselves @berniesanders is most likely a cock smoker... Just saying :) (upvoted)
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@dollarvigilante
Sarcasms is wasted on children and idiots.
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berniesanders use of the downvote was completely legitimate.
One of the economic incentives to acquire steempower should be the increased "power" to curate content on the network.
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@dollarvigilante I'll just leave this right here...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2016/08/10/bernie-sanders-buys-a-half-million-dollar-vacation-home-and-the-internet-cries-hypocrisy/
Looks like @berniesanders took that money and bought a mansion. just sayin...
:D
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That's fucked up, what Bernie did was kind of censorship... which is not what steemit was meant for. If steem users want to upvote content they have a right to, than some one with power comes along and erases those votes... seems kind of rubbish. I think Bernie made a mistake by doing this. Yes of course his post was something similar to hundreds of other posts, But he has a different perspective.... kind of shady what the haters are doing. But the first makeup tutorial made over 20K and that person is gone who screwed who? The @dollarvigilante is for sure a dick but anarchy needs them we need them and I still stand behind him. 100%
again "Success travels with you" - Carlidos
censorship is not okay, down-voting should be taken away.
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Down voting is not really the same thing as censorship. The post is still there and anyone who wants to can still read it. This is very different than the other sites that would just remove unwanted content entirely. I don't down vote lightly. There are tons of things I dislike or disagree with, but I don't down vote for that. People need a way to express themselves though if they feel strongly that a post should be voted down. I think that having it there is an important tool for steemit users to have.
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Haha my prediction is.This post won't make it over 50$ you know why? Because you act like a jerk and even thou you make it seem like sarcasm. Its just not funny so good luck here on steemit. Ps: you shouldn't underestimate the community ;)
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Wow, no humor-bone in your body eh?
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eh, lol
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Not around here man. They attack first and hate firster....lol
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@repholder down vote??
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serial shitposter
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I laughed though.
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almost 2.000$, and counting. >.<
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$2,000. Wrong. Unless Bernie whacks me again. :P
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I get your point! The "flag" feature needs to be improved! Let's make it happen: What the flag? (github)
-- develCuy
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I'm not sure what it is but something is very wrong here on Steemit. Might be a reward system adjustment. But market will definitely resolve this even without @berniesanders. With price crash if necessary
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i saw that just now.
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This post allready get 15 downvote wow?
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LOL, you have my vote for a beautiful Capitalistic self humor post! :)
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It should be simple....
If a person likes = REWARD = MORE SBD
If a person DON'T like = NO REWARD = NO MORE SBD
If Content is abusive = FLAG = MINUS SBD
People shouldn't Flag because they don't feel another person shouldn't earn from their post. People should mind their own business nobody is being forced to read anything here.
Perhaps this person was on a power trip, I can't judge, I don't know them. But I am not happy reading this story, and feel that DV has been hard done by. Flag if you like, I don't care. I value freedom of speech higher than SBD/STEEM/DOLLARS/POUNDS/EUROS/CEDIS
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my2cents: I do not understand the reason for a down vote option. In commerce, if I do not like what someone has to offer, I express my opinion by not purchasing from them. It never crosses my mind to cause them harm or cost them money as a means of making them aware I don’t appreciate their offerings. I do not feel the need to inform others that they should not purchase from them either. My position is that everyone should have unbiased freedom to support or not support anyone they choose.
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When you buy a product, you use your own money to pay for it. When you vote a reward to a post, you are spending other people's money (well, yours too, but only a small share). The situation is not the same at all.
You have the option to send tips to the author via the wallet page instead. No one can object to that.
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Thanks for the feedback. It does seem like there should be a valid reason to down vote though. Not just that someone doesn't like something. I looked at one person's history and it appears they are down voting introduction posts if they are girls. How can someone down vote an introduction. Seems like a crappy thing to do to say you didn't introduce yourself well enough.
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I think the point is that people CAN downvote via flagging and so its a structural issue with the platform. People will use it in this way and so there needs to be a systemic solution to the problem.
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Agree. Being the platform is so new, expect this will get worked out over time. Anyone who down votes as much or more than they up vote should cause concern.
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Welcome to Capitalism! Looks like you are back on your feet with this post though!
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https://steemit.com/dollarvigilante/@arcaneinfo/roast-the-dollar-vigilante-man-day
Guess I was too late:)
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The point is that you became famous through anarchocapitalistic ideals - accusing the state about fraud, abuse and all that - but you are doing the exact same things all in the name of anarchy and capitalism.
It is simply pathetic.
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Lol that was a fun sarcastic post. I walk away from this with one thought... the curation hammer hits a little to hard in some places ;)
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@berniesanders is awesome and one of the most active whales!
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NO @dollarvigilante you were not robbed.
@berniesanders is a big investor in steemit, and as such he has more pull than small fries. This is not at all dissimilar to a large shareholder having more votes at a stock holder meeting. Surely, as a capitalist you can acknowledge that Bernie's large stake in this platform gives him more ownership of it, and therefore more control.
Are you saying that Bernie exercising control over his PROPERTY was wrong? I disagree sir.
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i dont take your words seriously because you talk too much about materials , your just a frustrated consume who is being just greedy and labeling steem as a scam , enjoy the 3188.60 to buy caviars and champaign while others are starving ! Yolo
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Yes bullshit sells, you know, i mean real bullshit not normal bullshit... &* you know what i mean. And with bullshit i mean good bullshit not the other bullshit. This comment is really real bullshit.
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@dollarvigilante are you sure you don't want my name bro? :)
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Thank you for stating that your revenue is correlated with your popularity. Whatever others think you are, at least that was honest.
I will utilize this model and see where it gets me.
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@dollarvigilante and BTW Jeff....
YOU LOOK SO STONED IN THAT PIC!!!
Must be nice in Mexico.
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Do you fancy curating this??
https://steemit.com/steem/@michaellamden68/clash-of-the-titans-dollarvigilante-berniesanders
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now i'm a huge fan of @berniesanders :DD
Sorry, but he is totally right... you have some good materials and the first one about how you got 15k here were ok.
But you did another one, and then another one and now, let me guess, you were thinking about to do another one. So, thank you @berniesanders.
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Could be... obviously the market decided that post was not valuable. I wrote it though because I brought in my following to Steemit and they were all confused so I wrote it to help them.
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The post still helps newcomers just as much if you give them the link. The voting only affects visibility and the size of the reward.
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Jeff, you did it again, made $2800 in 2 hours posting some non-sense!
Will it ever stop? And what will you seriously spend all the money on??? Ladies and yacht?
https://steemit.com/scam/@lasseehlers/and-jeff-berwick-did-it-again-made-an-non-sense-post-with-click-bait-and-made-usd1200-in-1-hour
Cant wait till you post the next post, about how you made money on your previous post and so on :)
Lasse Ehlers
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Yes, you have "satire" and "whyistilllovesteemit" in your tags as hints instead of green text or a smiley, but you still are pulling rewards away from other posts here with a post that is a big joke. Are you going to honestly tell me that this post is bringing as much "value" as your other more informative posts?
You've been around the internet long enough to know you have to do a better job of making sarcasm look like sarcasm. I'm not going to suggest it's true, but it does give the impression that you are doing this in a premeditated fashion. You could have easily added a paragraph that made it obvious you were being sarcastic, but you didn't.
Seriously, it feels like you are insulting our intelligence with your antics.
You may be a Trump-like figure for Steemit. Someone that says whatever he wants and can get away with it because you are supposedly going to give us something we desperately need. Which is more exposure and more users.
All that being said, I still think you can learn from your mistakes and make good on bringing value to Steemit while not bringing on the ire of users here. You have the potential for doing so much more with your influence. Take a deep breath and slow your roll a bit.
Good luck finding that balance, my friend.
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I do not like you . Simple as that but maybe I should pick you up in our boat in case you can't get your yacht .
You need a Spank ! You are really naughty
Meanwhile I am laughing at fools who follow your BS but just try to be amused.
PS : Both of you, probably shake hands in the background and get a good laugh how you provoked all sheeps .
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@berniesanders You need that 0.45 cents for your campaign, oh wait...
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Well, I think you are cool and that berniesanders is a jerk...thats my two cents.
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down voting is putting one down...lift them and upvote them is encouraging...I have still not hit to what you reached but my hopes are alive as I was at one time discouraged by one down voting my post and flagging them.
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Enjoyable read! but I still think Bernie is OK. If it was indeed the real Bernie who robbed you of your fortune, rest assured that he probably gave it to some poor folks, maybe your chef, gardener, or maid ;)
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