As many of you know, @zeartul (AKA C****s C******s from Simi Valley, CA) the owner of @bellyrub and @bellyrubbank, went awol this week leaving a lot of good Steemians out of pocket. You can read up on the recent events here and here.
After looking at all the evidence I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt by giving him 7 days to respond to his victims. I don't believe he purposely ripped people off from the outset otherwise he wouldn't have been so sloppy with his OpSec which lead me to find his full name and address. From what I can piece together it looks like he went awol due to loosing a substantial delegation coupled with the low price of Steem. Once his delegation was taken back his problems started snowballing resulting in him being unable to keep up with repayments to his investors.
Running away, not keeping people informed, and then lying about it isn't the way to solve the problem. But as I don't believe you ripped people off intentionally you have 7 days to inform your victims of exactly what you are going to do to rectify the situation.
Some Proof
This 1st image is a recent photo (within the last 24 hours) of Zeartul and his girlfriend.
This 2nd photo is from his Facebook page.
(FYI: I've cropped in on the images to make them harder to reverse image search.)
C****s, I have your full dox which includes your girlfriends name and your home address in Simi Valley, CA.
There is no point deleting your social media accounts as I have everything archived, backed up, and screen-capped. Don't respond to me as I haven't lost any money to you. What you need to do though is respond to the many people you have stolen money from outlining how you aim to repay them all back. A lot of people are unhappy with you and would like there investments returned.
It looks like this guy has left quite a little trail.
Carlos Cardenas of Simi Valley made this shame list for his btcjam scams
https://5hamelist.blogspot.ca/2015/08/shame-on-following-peer-to-peer-p2p.html
You can see there he's a public notary. WHAT THE FUCK? How is this man a public notary? California residents you may want to contact your secretary of state's office http://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/contact-information/ on that one.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/carlos-cardenas-21715a26/
His LinkedIn profile shows he owns
Worldalike inc
Notary public in Simi Valley, California
Address: 1749 Ahart St, Simi Valley, CA 93065, USA
Hours: Open today · 8AM–11:30PM
Phone: +1 805-587-5708
I guess we can start calling his office at 8AM PST tomorrow.
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Sadly, the doxxing threat did not get him to change his mind. He made a transfer to OpenLedger DEX yesterday for 70.620 STEEM in his account.
EDIT: Wow, I did not see he actually responded to this thread. He's an idiot.
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Yeah it really helps blow up any sort of "hacked" narrative.
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@contentjunkie is that his real info? on the zeartful post?
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This is wrong, what bellyrub did was wrong but this is still wrong too.
I am honstly distigusted with steemits lack of morals and double standards recently.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
I'm sorry if that is an unpopular opinion but you are no better then bellyrub now with your doxing.
Good job, you must be proud.
:/
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STFU @skeptic, you scammer lover! I'll doxx that son of a bitch myself if it came to that and I wont ask permission from anyone. Fud off!
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Hey thanks for the support. I just checked to see if I had voted you for witness and it appears I haven't. Is your witness @fyrst-witness ?
Thanks
@fortified
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IDK how many times i have to say it but i am in no way trying to defend bullyrub, Theft is wrong.
I am only saying doxing is wrong and trying to justify doing it because someone else did something wrong is pathetic at best.
doxing is a criminal offence just like theft is yet you all support one crime because someone commited another?
We can agree to disagree i guess.
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Yo haus. If someone stole your car or let’s just say stole money from you.., wouldn’t you want to know who it was?
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well boss, i would want to know who it was but i would not use that as justifacation for more wrong doings and if i did i hope someone would care enough to speak up and set me straight.
I am not defending in any way whatever @bellyrub did i am only saying it is also wrong to dox.
Just my warped opinion though.
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Upvoted due to unprovoked emotional flags.
Also, I agree the information could have been shared privately with victims.
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thank you, i looked at steemd before logging in and i just stared in confusion for about a min or 2. lol
I also feel bringing his family and girlfriend into it is out of line.
Im thinking i should just stop speaking my opinion before i end up with more flags. lol
xD
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How is exposing the identity of a scammer so that his victims have at least a chance to seek re-compensation a wrong in any way? It's the right thing to do so people can start phoning the police on this guy.
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that could have been done without the threat of doxing. bringing the persons family and girlfreind is uncalled for too. IMO at least.
And it could have been done in a way not to be breaking laws, doxing is not the same as finding out who someone is and using that information to give to victims for lawful reasons, that is not the same as threats of relesing personal information that is not only the "scammer" but innocent people that have nothing to do with it.
Just because someone did something wrong like belly rub did it does not justifiy more wrong doings.
its whatever though, im trying to stop talking about it because its getting me flags. i think doxing is wrong no matter who is getting doxed and thats ok if others disagree with me.
have a great day and ill respond to your other comment soon, ill try to make it short as i said im kinda over this conversation already.
:D
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I'm not sure the threat was to dox the gf but was merely to show him they know up to date info on him including who he is dating.
You keep equating releasing factual information on a known scammer to be something wrong. Your argument falls apart on that. He is a scammer that was obfuscating his identity with aliases. Revealing his identity isn't wrong.
I agree releasing his gf's info is wrong though.
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so your whole argument is that because he is a "scammer" it is justified to break laws as long as he is the victim of thoes crimes because he is a "scammer"?
right? or am i missing something?
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While I don't agree with doxing, a case is being built to bring charges. His identity is already found and will be used as such.
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i understand that, people spreading the information amoungst them selfs and people that are trying to put a case together is not what im talking about though.
Im talking about threatinging to publicly relese all his and his familys and friends information if demands arent met within a timeline.
it was and is wrong imo. i am in no way trying to defend bellyrub, im just saying this whole dox thing is crossing the line and it is wrong even if bellyrub is in the wrong.
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I know what you mean I'm not into doxxing either. It wasn't easy for me to post this but once I had found him I didn't really know what to do. So I thought the best bet would be to at least give him a chance to right his wrongs. Hopefully this will make him think twice.
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what exactly does his gilfriend have to do with this?? you are fucked up
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:/
idk yo im just speechless right now.....
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Hopefully it wont come to it and he sorts everyone out. I genuinely appreciate your concern though. Thank you.
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YOu can send all his info to his victims and let them do what they want with it.
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Heartily disagree.
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That is fine.
i dont see wrong doings as justifacation for more wrong doings.
I have no problem agreeing to disagree if you stand on the other side of that argument.
if it is about the "as bad" part of the comment thats just samantics imo. What unmoral action was worse is up to subjective interpertation and im just saying it is wrong to dox just like im saying it was wrong for bellyrub to do whatever it was he did. i try to avoid that stuff so all i know about it is he stole a bunch of money. that is wrong, im just saying doxing is wrong too.
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Doxxing indiscriminately is wrong, we can agree on that. But @zeartul deserves it, and those scammed should have the right to bring a lawsuit against him if they so please.
Please keep in mind this is not his first scam. He really needs to be brought to justice. The asshole needs to learn there are consequences to his actions or he will do this again...and again...and again like he has before.
Stealing funds from people...including cancer victims... is way, way worse than revealing the identity of a scammer using public information. I don't see how the two things are even close to being equal.
I understand that two wrongs don't make a right, but I only see one person in the wrong here - @zeartul.
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I see both people as in the wrong.
agree to disagree.
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Yeah but you aren't able to give valid reasoning to back your opinion. You just seem to think posting public information is bad mmkay.
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Doxing is illigal
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/11/28/the-illegal-activity-of-doxing-revealing-documents-or-personal-information-about-a-person-without-their-permission-with-the-intent-to-threaten-harass-intimidate-shame-humiliate-or-place/
https://patch.com/massachusetts/malden/what-is-doxing-yes-it-is-illegal
http://subliminalridge.blogspot.com/2012/10/doxing-and-barrett-brown-indictment.html
http://theothermccain.com/2012/11/19/update-walker-v-kimberlin-et-al-also-why-doxing-is-always-illegal/
I dont know much except bellyrub stole a bunch of money, that is wrong and i am not defending him for that. taking legal action in a lawsuit or whatever is one thing but threatining to relese all his info and his familys and friends if demands arent met within a time line is also wrong (imo).
The info could have been shared amoungst the people trying to move foward with legal action but the way its going is just mafia style stuff.
whos to say one of the people he ripped off isnt some crazy fuq thats now going to go to his house and familys house and kill them all? or even a bystandard like the doxer is and decieds this person deserves what ever they do because they stole?
sorry for the winded response i just dont agree with using wrong doings as justifacation for more wrong doings.
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The law is far from settled and in cases like this where a known scammer is being unmasked it's quite easy to argue as legal.
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See I told you doxxing would lead to testicular issues!
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LOL!
I cant even comment, my sides hurt from laughing so hard.
:D
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This won’t motivate him to do anything but high tail it out of town and find a new place to live. And your giving him 7 days to do it. He’s had plenty of time to right his wrongs. He doesn’t care to. He had several thousands of dollars he could of used to start paying people back. He chose not to. He’s a crook and a coward.
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I agree but I felt the best thing to do in this situation was to at least give him a chance before dropping his dox. It didn't feel right dropping it here and now.
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Dude, he's already been given a chance. When he was given a chance he pretended his account was hacked. You can read his bullshit below. His last victims had to send debt collectors and lawyer up. You should just release the info so people can begin to make legal claims against him in California.
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Filing a lawsuit against him will be easy no matter where he goes.
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Doxx that son of a bitch! Don't give him 7 days. Damn!
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Give him to the count of 0.
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Unleash the doxx now!
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I wonder if Poloniex will step in and block this guy's account before the drains all the money out.
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I dont think so.
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Wow, nice move! you are taking serious steps..
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True detective... Good work @fortified .
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Even though I'm not a huge fan of doxxing... You've done some excellent detective work.
This guy should definitely pay for the pain he caused. Telling stories about him being hacked but still sending money to his own wallet is a pretty stupid thing to say.
I don't think he had any intentions of scamming people to begin with but due to the price of Steem/SBD he couldn't afford the fees he had to pay for the delegations. That gave him basically two options. Either leave Steemit and take everything with him, or pay everything back... And he couldn't afford the latter.
I wonder how much money he earned in total...
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Enough to publicly brag about some of his purchases. You can find a few things he bought (computer, drone, etc.) that he posted about a few months ago.
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Doxx the fucker!
He's had enough time to do the right thing already.
He needs to be made an example of to discourage any other scumbags in waiting from trying the same stunt.
It's a lesson for those who don't already know that, if something looks too good to be true it's probably a scam.
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Personally I couldn't drop it straight away. I thought it only fair if he had a few days to correct his mistakes even though I know he has done wrong.
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You're right mate. I was in 'rant mode' when I dropped the comment as that kind of theft pisses me off. I'm sure many of those that have been scammed can't really afford the loss. Those who pray on the vulnerable are the worst kind of scum and I believe retribution needs to be swift and brutal.
Well done for the measured approach dude, you're a better man than me.
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Respect. All good. thanks for your support.
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Like the wise man would say, bad people exist is because good people do not stand up to them. I know this will likely have major consequences but it truly is for the greater good. This sets an example for others not to follow. It exposes and disposes the bad. World is not perfect and if the good people stand still and do nothing the bad will always prevail.
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This is deep. Thanks.
Yes it wasn't an easy decision to make to post this post. It took a lot of thinking about before I did. but like you say good people need to stand up to bad people and make an example of them.
Thanks
@fortified
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What happened to his steemit account? Who hacked it?
Good work helping the community!
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It wasn't hacked.
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Thanks for the info
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It wasn't hacked.
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better to bring a legal case against him. this is not a good idea.
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he dont got money that is why he is stealing it, legal is not going to do anything hes already bankrupt.
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So legal action should never be taken for robbery or theft? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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Good work @fortified
He deserves this for ripping people off. Which included one of my friend here who did lot of hardwork to earn steem and deposited in his scam bank.
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Well I'm one of the people here who bought in on his bellyrub bank idea the first time I saw it. What's crazy is how well everything was presented about the services he's offered and the potential returns he'd promised to his investors. I wouldn't dox him right away, as you said @fortified - the benefit of a doubt, but for the most part, IF he is guilty of his actions and all of this is not a big misunderstanding, then, in that case, he deserves what's coming to him. Though, sometimes, we can get entangled in complex matters and trying to explain things to people is just the worst thing ever. He could be innocent for all we know and I say that as someone to whom he owes. But let's see...come around and tell us what's good @zeartul...
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Scary how good technology and computer geeks are today....
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This move will make him fearful.
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While I get that what he did was awful, this is not something I can personally stand behind. If you fight one crime with another, where will this end?
An eye for an eye makes everyone blind. This was said by someone infinitely smarter than me but he was definitely right.
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Dox definition:
While it's true that it was the wrong way to go about it, this persons identity needed to be shared with the victims of his crime. Legal action is the only thing that protects us from people making repeat offenses.
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come on this is not his first scam, u are a liberal arent you?
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What makes you think I'm a liberal? I'm more or less apolitical. If he's run multiple scams, there should be a way to legally deal with this.
The only thing I'm doing here, is asking myself and everyone else an honest question: If we as a community, condone an action like this, what makes us any better than he is?
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teach him a life lesson so he wont do it to someone else? This is not his first scam, he still havent learn from his last and keep doing it. You think like a liberal.
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You're entitled to your opinion, of course. I'm entitled to mine, I think. I was raised to apply my sense of ethics to my thoughts and actions. That's all I'm trying to do here.
I have no influence whatsoever on @fortified, but I'm allowed to ask a question, am I not?
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Yes u can say anything you want, where did i say that you cant?
You need to look in the shoe of his victims, if you were his victims what would you do? He still owe me 860 steem.
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I'm not saying he should not face repercussions for his actions.
But what I am saying is: How will this rectify the situation? Will you get your money back this way? Will anyone really feel better?
I'm not sure about that.
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this would prevent him from doing it again, its seem like he keep doing it to someone else and havent learn from his last scam.
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This is a community like any other community. One way to keep the community safe from scam artists and thieves is to call them out and take action. This is the equivalent of posting pictures on the light-poles in your neighborhood of a known scam artist.
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This is a very irresponsible post. 👎
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Yes thank you. I'm aware of this. It wasn't an easy post to make. But something needed to be done. Im hoping this will be enough for him to make an amends and I won't have to release his dox.
Sorry if you think it's irresponsible but drastic times calls for drastic measures sometimes. I hope you understand.
Thanks for your input.
@fortified
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What I understand is that you are lacking in character. You will never "have to" release this information and you have already gone too far.
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bs, why dont you try to ask the person that lose money in the scam n see if they agree with you.
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I understand and agree with you but this wasn't for the purpose of harrassment. There is a potential lawsuit to be taken against this guy, and that's the only justice that protects us from people attempting what he did. Perhaps giving his information to victims privately would have been better.
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It's true that some of the information is important for filing legal charges and it should be made known to those affected. There needs to be good ways of sharing this but doxing is not one of them.
The problem is that doxing punishes an alleged offender before they have been judged as guilty of anything. The dox info might wrongly implicate someone else by mistake and so is very dangerous.
The elephant in the room here is that it is illegal and so despite putting the doxer at risk of legal troubles of their own, it does not work towards a legal prosecution of the alleged criminal.
Here's a few sources for that from a quick search or two:
In this case it is probably illegal, likely as a result of deanonymizing @zeartul and harassment. There are no reasons for a legal case against them to post a picture of his face for example. A legal argument could be made that it is harassment and intimidation. Courts take into account context so it's not necessarily as absurd as that sounds.
I'm not saying don't bring those responsible to justice, I'm saying this is mob justice, which is no justice at all.
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You're completely right. I think I've seen so much doxxing here that's it's almost been sickeningly normalised.
But then again, doesn't the media/news do this all the time with people having charges put against them?
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There are a lot of laws around what can and can't be disclosed about people at different stages of the legal process, and depending on what they are accused / convicted of, and depending on their age.
MSM works within the law on this, at least they appear to. In your region of the world there was a big scandal about journalists going outside the law to get information on people in the Leveson Inquiry some years back, you might remember. They definitely want to reveal as much as they can, especially the tabloids, and actually it sounds a lot like what's going on here, though that's not to say doxing is always furthered by hacking, doesn't seem to be in this case.
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Exactly! There are perfectly valid and legal reasons to disclose someone's information online.
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Laws are jurisdictional and doxxing is not always illegal despite what that article says. This would be quite easy to argue as legal and that is only if you live in a place where you'd have to argue it.
Perhaps we should use a different term than doxxing for what is transpiring here. We are unmasking a criminal so that his victims may seek re-compensation.
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Any illegality must be demonstrated and would be very contextual, so it could very well result in a failed prosecution, implying it's legal. But it should be determined case by case. So I concede that it may not always be illegal on these grounds.
If you believe you have the ability and the right to designate someone a criminal without any legal process then we subscribe to different ideas of justice.
One thing should be clear to anyone: giving out his girlfriends name serves nothing except intimidation. You may believe this intimidation is warranted, but that is what it is. I think his photo could also be viewed as purely intimidation and doxing, as it gives anyone who would wish to find him and harass him information to identify him in public. But perhaps it useful for other legitimate reasons. Girlfriends name though, not.
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He stole money from me. I have every right to label him a criminal. Doing so is part of the process. You can't remove how the process starts. You seem to be putting the cart in front of the horse here.
edit: I dont condone the GF stuff or think releasing her info is legal or warranted.
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I think your post is very important, you will not know much about your post, thank you, thank you very importantly posted a topic
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Amazing work
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I'm glad to see someone trying to get at him unfortunately I don't even think he'll see this or care. You may as well just start releasing them. Also his gf is also in steemit I forget the user name but easy to find.
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He's still active and watching, look at his recent account activity:
http://steemd.com/@zeartul
Still upvoting (and downvoting).
Doesn't look like a "hacked" account to me. The guy is an idiot.
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Agreed. He’s claiming a hacked account so he can get off with the funds. If it’s hacked then he doesn’t get blame.
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He's obviously not hacked and just got scared.
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I was looking occasionally but I figured the were auto voters still going out. Either way he's an asshole.
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I'll give it a bit of time first. I don't want to have to dox someone if I can help it.
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you know, when you do something like this, its same, if not worse as pulling the gun on him, his girlfriend and family.
you put target on his face. its a big responsibility for you. i hope you know what are you into ^
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This is kinda scary! I am about a week in to Steemit and setting up Dtube the chat etc. I got a message via the chat saying welcome but it felt at the time like it could be a scam. I am a bit too crypto crazy when the blockchain is mentioned as I am a bit behind on the technical side of it. The money is not the reason I made the account but it adds a layer of fear and anxiety (just for me I am always worrying) as I have to be suspicious of interactions that on any other platform would be just a message. I guess that some interactions can be risky? Is the Chat something to be careful with?
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It was just a bot welcoming you. Nothing to worry about.
Be careful on Steemit.chat there is the odd scammer trying it on. jsut don't send anything to anyone unless you are sure it is them and youll be find.
Good luck on steemit
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Scenario: Someone you meet on a street is talking to you and gains your trust. Then he grabs your wallet and runs. What do you do and how do you feel at that very instant? I can hardly imagine anyone doing nothing. It is human nature to fend for themselves.
I agree with you that this is harsh, but if you read the past posts and history a lot of people made their effort to let him come clean. This is pretty much a last resort. I do not think anyone that is supporting this is thrilled or even wanted this to happen. He did this to himself, he could have just told the truth and gave back portions and I think many would still be supporting him. But he is taking everything that was borrowed to him and accusing others of abuse.
It takes courage to face the evil because it will take every ounce of your kind soul to focus on doing what it takes to control the evil. That is why you can not let bad people continue doing what they do or else they will continue to spread their disease.
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Couple of things I would like to let you know is.
1: My accounts were hacked, from the last deleted comment to post is when they became "Not mine" I got access to my account, I am the one that changed it to hacked.
2: I would like to let you know all accounts are going to get paid back.
3: This post looks a bit like blackmail, well according to my lawyer at least.
4: There is no past scams or even current scams if you are reffering to the btcjam I am paying In collections with btcjam, so no idea why any one would post that but sure defaulting on a loan is a crime I guess in your eyes. Reason collections are in place since 2014.
5: Any one found slandering me with out any bases of anything trust me I am on top of it.
6: I am not scamming anyone, or stealing from anyone but like I said I have my laywer since 2014 helping me with my collections in btcjam that I am paying back, those in return with this issue.
7: Keep on with witch hunt, and keep on slandering and threating me with out acutally knowing anything, it only helps my case further.
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Fuck you scammy piece of shit. I hope all of your information is made public and when it is, I'm gonna use ALL of the voting bot services to promote it to the top of trending because you're such a little bitch!
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Feel the bern
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WARNING - The comment you received from @minnowpond is a potential scam! I advise you to read this post before taking any action: https://steemit.com/steemit/@arcange/potential-scammer-reported-minnowpond
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Bullshit.
Seems like doxxing you is the only way that might happen.
I doubt you have a lawyer and if you did they would say return their funds ASAP.
The fact that you admit that you are paying those in collections now means there was indeed a default aka scam. Why do you think the fact that your previous victims had to use a collection service on you is some sort of redeeming thing?
Incomprehensible threat to try and intimidate people ahead of time?
Again, the fact that you are paying out a former lawsuit isn't a positive attribute.
Just pay people back their money. Say exactly how much and when people will receive and then pay it.
This just seems like more of your bullshit to try and buy you time while you move funds to market. You aren't a witch you are a scammer and this is a scammer hunt.
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He just started powering down his remaining 12,000 steem power about 2 hours ago. He’s cleaning out the rest of his account as we speak.
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Oddly he seems to have cancelled his previous power down, realized he made a mistake then started a new power down cycle. I've been looking a bit more at his history and it looks like he's a failed accountant turned paralegal.
I guess he really liked the cautionary story of Ponzi from his first semester accounting courses.
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Yeah and amazing enough he is still upvoting to earn more. No way no one will not notice him.
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And now he's transferring some earnings to open ledger. What a scummy piece of shit.
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He is acting like he earn those steems by himself. Without the delegation and people who supported @bellyrub he would have a lot less. @zeartul stop tormenting users you stole from by giving back what you took from them. There is so much track record on the blockchain proving you earn a lot of steems with the community's help. Why still act like you are the victim?
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Please respond to your victims in a post outlining exactly what you are going to do to rectify the situation.
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Why haven't you paid anyone if you are legit? Your story is bullshit from start to finish. Hacked? really?
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Did your Discord get hacked too? Because you are not on there anymore.
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Wouldn't your "lawyer" tell you not to verify your identity on a public thread? You've just confirmed you're the same person who scammed everyone out of funds before.
Must not be a very good lawyer, huh? Hope you're not paying him too much from the funds you stole. Or are you using those funds to pay back collections on your BTCjam victims?
BTW, here's a screenshot of what you said, just in case you get "HACKED!!" again. Don't want those hackers to delete what you posted again...
Weird that those hacked posts said basically the EXACT same thing that you posted now...
"I'm paying everyone back, I PROMISE, even though I'm powering down and cashing out my earnings as I speak!"
Keep looking over your shoulder, scammer.
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Everyday many of his victims are becoming richer. As bitcoin and crypto grow so do the resources of his victims. This little shit stain should be very afraid. With my portfolio currently at all time highs hiring a PI, Lawyer or Thug to dole out justice has never seemed so affordable.
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Careful, you're giving me the warm and fuzzies.
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At 6'5" and 300lbs I very much fit one of those three......"PI, Lawyer or Thug"
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It looks like your selling your votes with @smartsteem. I think I had about 100 SBD invested in you bellyrub bank. I know I'll never get it back but if your going to use other services to make income you should think about paying the people back that you had invest.
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