You're not abusing, the bots you're buying votes from are.
@appreciator and @buildawhale by @themarkymark
They barely own any Steem so they don't give a fuck, in about 10 days the burden of my attacks will get relayed onto anyone using @blocktrades and @freedom delegated SP.
Maybe we'll see some changes then.
Oh, I didn't realize this. I never try to cheat the system, and get votes at the last minute for blogs. :(
Thank you for the information. Even though it hurts me a lot to lose so much.
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These bots follow @grumpcat rules
@postpromoter
@jerrybanfield
While @Booster will be soon must be updating for https://steemit.com/booster-update/@booster/we-are-adjusting-max-post-comment-age-for-upvote-to-2-5-days-cheetah-and-steamcleaners-compatible
Basically check for bot using a 3.5 day metric here: https://steembottracker.com/bottracker.html
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That's not true. @brandonfrye got dinged here https://steemit.com/steemit/@brandonfrye/steemit-upvote-bots-still-profitable-or-waste-of-money for using @jerrybanfield
The point is @grumpycat arbitrarily decides at random when to hit you. There is no safety.
Further, @grumpycat actually uses the non-compliant bots while punishing everyone else. No one punishes @grumpycat.
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that was 6 days ago @jerrybanfield fixed it after
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Prior to that it was listed as GrumpyCompliant. Also, according to this @jerrybanfield still isn't compliant. I wouldn't call that "fixed"
The point is that none of it is trustworthy. It's all arbitrary. It can change on a whim and there is no standard or canonical definition of what is really compliant.
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@jerrybanfield he s so smart then mark zukerberg
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Rofl, wtf?
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waw, I didn't know bots can do this. It seems bots are making their way into the steem community lol.
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Where have you been, lol?
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The guy has no friends, why try to understand what he does? Misery loves company!
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Always has been part of it
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@purepinay If you don't want to cheat the system, then stop using upvote bots: They are forbidden in the terms of service.
I hope that one day soon everyone will join forces against the bots and make steem a fair place to be, but greed motivates in the short term.
You write in this article about how minnows are disappointed when they receive $1.00 for a post, but you are getting $1000 for six paragraphs and two selfies - AFTER a @grumpycat downvote. Do you think this is fair to all the newcomers to steem? Is it fair to the reward pool? How is using bots helping the platform or helping steemit's future?
It looks like you spent OVER 400 Steem Dollars to promote this post - that is gaming the system, no doubt.
I ask you to consider the title of your post and think about tomorrow, today.
Edit: I upvoted my comment, because @purepinay decided to downvote and hide my comment from view. Bad form, in my opinion.
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They're not forbidden and there isn't any terms of services.
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@grumpycat What the heck are you talking about? Terms of Service for steemit:
https://steemit.com/tos.html
From the Terms of Service:
{ 17. User Conduct
17.1. When accessing or using the Services, you agree that you will not commit any unlawful act, and that you are solely responsible for your conduct while using our Services. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that you will not:
..........
17.1.3. Use any robot, spider, crawler, scraper or other automated means or interface not provided by us to access our Services or to extract data; }
When you are buying the use of an upvoting service, you are [USING] a [ROBOT] to [ACCESS] the [SERVICES].
That is pretty clear that bots are forbidden and of course there IS a Terms of Service.
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Read the first line of the TOS link you posted:
The TOS refers to steemit.com - the website you are likely looking at right now. Bots do not typically use the steemit website directly, therefore this TOS does not apply to them.
steemit.com is NOT the same as the steem blockchain
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Yes- I know that, and there is no way to regulate the behavior on the blockchain itself besides flagging behavior that is contrary to the nature of steemit. @grumpycat is doing exactly that, to an extent, but as I will say over and over, steem is supposed to be a 'proof-of-brains' platform, that will become the future of social media, no?
I mean we can fill the steem block chain with racist child pornography as well, who can stop us, and we can use an alternative site to steemit to do that as well, but is it good for the future of this platform?
There is a reason that these terms of service were spelled out, and if people want to abuse it, at this moment it looks like noone cares enough to stop them.
But really ask yourself, do you think steem will become a household name in a future where this platform is 99% bot, because that is the direction it is heading. Do you think average Joe, or better yet, average third world guy, will be enticed by : the new social media site where all you have to do is pay $2000 dollars to make money blogging!? This model is NOT going to succeed, at least not in the way it was intended.
So do you guys care about future of steem? Or just maximizing payouts?
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Also @maneki-neko in the last 90 days, why have you given yourself UPVOTES of more than 30% of total outgoing? http://www.steemreports.com/outgoing-votes-info/?account=%40maneki-neko&days=90 You speak of gaming the system, do you think this is ok? @purepinay only has given herself 6.4% of total upvotes in this same time-frame. But lets just ignore that, right?
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He speaks about BOT votes, not self votes...
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So pretty much ALL bots are forbidden. You don't think that eliminates some of the fun?
It even says "spider, crawler, scraper". That pretty much eliminates the need for any useful third-party app that I can think of.
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jelous people, what is right? What is wrong? We or the world¿? I´ll follow you and i upvote you too.
can you?
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@maneki-neko, if you want to get rid of bots you have to get rid of the whole self-voting mechanisms altogether.
Just look at who's at the trending page. It's the same people voting themselves (with their $200 SBD Upvotes) and their friends (with $400 SBD Upvotes) at no cost to them but a press of a button. Again take a look at the trending page, do 90% of the content there warrant a $1K SBD payout?
For normal content creators like me, I don't have a $200 SBD Self vote. How am I going to get a crack at the trending pages? I don't know any whales and they're too busying upvoting themselves too go dig through content.
Please take a look what's happening overall on Steemit before condemning normal content creators who will have to use bots to keep up. Now, I question the use of $400 SBD to buy the votes because it's taking the voting power from the pool of votes on the bots.
Smaller content creators with less money are getting less for their ROI, but that's another issue worth discussing.
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you got the good point, invest and have people work together will make both money, why we can not team up? learn how people make their job done. As long as you make the money and have some fund to help other to make some.
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Actually, she downvoted your comment because it is not truthful and you are spreading misinformation. 1.) It is not forbidden. 2.) It is not cheating the system, it is paying for post-promotion. 3.) I know for sure she does a lot more for the community than you. You can easily see this by checking where her upvotes go, vs yours. She casts 100's of upvotes daily, and 99% of all her upvotes go towards minnows with an account value less than $100.
Look at her comments, and tell me she doesn't contribute to the community. She is very active on and offline, and gives back more than she takes.
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"and 99% of all her upvotes go towards minnows with an account value less than $100."
The implication being that it's better to vote for people who have no investment in Steem?
Are you a Marxist?
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You're so nice for commenting on this post. For that, I gave you a vote!
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I am not saying she doesn't contribute - she certainly does.
However -you guys are now attacking me for self upvoting 30% of the time.. lets do some math - 10 full power votes a day, worth about $0.50 each = $5.00 , 30% = thats less then $1.66 a day.
But actually - that is incorrect, because only recently has my vote has gone up so much with the rise of Steem, and I also have powered up more since the New Year- lets look at the past 3 weeks - self votes 13.9% ......I have posted every single day or multiple times per day making videos, so this is, as I thought, 1 single vote worth 50 cents, on a video that sometimes takes me 5-6 hours to produce, sometimes much more. - Wow what a criminal I am!
Way to distract from the fact that over $2500 dollars was spent to promote this post. Which will gain much more money than that in return. Which, of course, is draining the reward pool. Why not power up that 500 steem that was spent on the post and use it to further upvote minnows if its all about charity? This is why making bots normal really hurts steem. She has thousands of followers that look up to her and say - well the way to do good on steem is pay bots!
You guys keep saying that using bots is not forbidden, please read the terms of service until you understand it.
"17.1.3. Use any robot, spider, crawler, scraper or other automated means or interface not provided by us to access our Services or to extract data; "
This platform is not about who can pay the most for bots, but you all acting this way is turning it into that. All I ask is for the people here to think about tomorrow, today, as the title of this post suggests. If everyone here normalizes this type of abuse of the system, do you really think steem has any chance of becoming the next Facebook? We barely made it to half a million users and already this type of stuff is happening... Soon people will be paying $50,000 to promote a selfie. It's not a joke!
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you are right about it! work smart be creative.
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so you are saying here, your posts didnt earn much tho you put so much effort on it, maybe you should try another post not everybody likes videos lols
The platform is not perfect, we all know that. But don't blame her for using what's in the platform.
99.9% of her upvotes goes to minnows and helping them online and offline.
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"99.9% of her upvotes goes to minnows and helping them online and offline."
The implication being that it's better to vote for people who have no investment in Steem?
Are you a Marxist?
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@sunnylife yes maybe you are right
@pure-pinay I apologize for anything implied, I didn't mean to say you are a bad person or bad for steem or anything.
I'm sorry, actually I think you are a great steemian and I often see your interactions on introduceyourself, and they are all quite genuine.
I hope that you can see my deep concern for this platform and I am getting worked up about how crazy the bots are getting.
I saw this post with the crazy rewards and @grumpycats recent stance and wanted to jump in with all my passion, but I suppose there are better ways of doing it then this.
I know that the botting won't stop anytime soon but I hope all readers can genuinely ask themselves - is the action I am taking everyday good for the platform and community.
Steem on @purepinay !
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Read my blog" YOU BELONG HERE, RUN YOUR OWN RACE"
https://steemit.com/steemit/@sunnylife/you-belong-here-run-your-own-race
Steem ON!!
xoxo
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Don't bother, nothing is ever gonna work.
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I agree, she gives her upvote every singe day to newbies and less for herself, giving more to the communities and people don't see that, she is active offline and offline to reach and encourage more newbies not to give up.
If these bots are not allowed they should be removed in the system.
@purepinay has good intentions and not to harm anybody and I know this, they don't know how many minnows she is helping online and offline promoting steemit everywhere she goes.
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"she gives her upvote every singe day to newbies"
Ah, so the worst content available, generally?
Are you an anti-merit Communist?
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Happy to see some people like yourself speak out against the bots. I for one, will slowly remove anyone I am following, regardless of the merits of their content, if they are paying bots for votes. As far as bots that help me to curate and upvote content of my valued writers on steemit, I think this kind of bot is helpful and not harmful to the community. What is your opinion? I am looking at qurator, and steemvoter at the moment. I find that autosteem is the best because I can go through the material BEFORE the automatic vote goes through.
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Kind of a pointless endeavor. The horse has left the barn on this one.
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I joined steemit cause I believe I can use my talent to grow or even earn here cause the traditional way of earning money by working 8 to 5 is so tyring and stressful. Once I earned good. I thought steemit can give me financial freedom. But knowing about the bots, I feel so devastated. I can not earn here cause I dont have money to pay bots. If she cant sleep buy replying the coments I cant sleep either to make sure I made a good post or even trying to check if someone made a comment and appreciate my post.
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Voting bots is the equivalent of hiring an ad agency to handle your PR. There shouldn't be anything wrong with paid promotion. I realize there is paid promotion built in, but it's flawed.
Voting bots supplement the missing components that equalize the payout value for a post. In other words, payout is intended to be proportionate to the value of the content. Proportionality is intended to be determined by the community through votes. The trouble is you're not guaranteed votes or that proportionality by creating the content. Voting bots give that to content creators.
Without content creators, it's just be a bunch of @steem howto guides and nothing interesting.
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No, that is not a good equivalent. When you hire an ad agency you are using your money to promote, with bots you are doing that as well, but also contributing to a bot becoming larger and larger and funneling and draining the reward pool into the future. The reward pool is shared by everyone on steem, so if we all send 25% of our daily rewards to a certain group of bots, in exchange for their whale vote, we are draining the pool, and concentrating wealth in the hands of the bots, and also normalizing this type of promotion when really there doesnt NEED to be any promotion at all, just good content, comments, and networking. I agree with what you said about content, but you are not realizing that bots are putting a spotlight on not GOOD content creators, just RICH content creators. Like I said -what is stopping a future of steem where someone pays $50K to promote a selfie.. at this rate nothing. And, in my opinion, this is the single greatest threat to the future of steem. Who will adopt a platform like this?
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So in trying to argue against the comparison of a bot as an ad agency, you argue that it actually is? Huh?
Yes. Just like an ad agency, the bot grows to accommodate more clients. Funny how that works. It grows and grows. I get that the reward pool is finite, but really bots are supplementing an already broken promotional system.
Besides, it's not the bots that are actually being abusive. It's the users. Even without bots, the users would find a way to game the system and abuse the reward pool.
That is a fallacy. There is always need for promotion. There is a finite reward pool which means there is fierce competition for those rewards. Those with the STEEM power tend to be the ones getting all the rewards. I'd rather they be bots that want me to bid for their vote to promote my content than wasting it on self-voting for useless content.
Another fallacy. People that invest their own money to make their content visible are not RICH. They're savvy. Marketing is a necessity and an investment. Some of us have to use our hard earned local currency and convert it to STEEM to pay for this. Money they work hard for.
Now this is all based-on the concept that there is only an upvote. There are downvotes. Downvotes are tools for curators to correct the payout of content to acceptable levels.
This is where @grumpycat becomes an a real issue. @grumpycat indiscriminately punishes content creators trying to attack the bot. As I said before, you can't blame the feature for the abuser. Further, not all content creators are abusers. Some are just trying to do the converse which is get their content noticed and raised payouts to appropriate levels. @grumpycat tries to wipeout payouts which is why there is conflict. If @grumpycat were any normal user that said
That's far from reality and that is what will help the platform. So far EVERYTHING you have said is what IMHO will be a threat to the platform. Who will adopt a platform that isn't for everyone?
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So a 'savvy' user from the third world should be'savvy' enough to put 6 months pay into promoting a blog? The use of bots is growing exponentially, and somehow if you think focusing wealth into these services is healthy for steem and makes it appealing to the average social media user, well - we just aren't going to agree on that. @grumpycat is striking fear into the hearts of the users trying to game the system, knowing that they could lose their ROI with one flag. Unfortunately, when greed is rampant, it is only consequences like these that can cause change.
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Might interest you
The community is pretty sure @grumpycat is not the user's only account. There is a network perhaps a guild of accounts. It's all just round-robin upvoting and reward pool abuse. They like to refer to it as SBD correction. I'm sure you can do your own research on this.
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I am glad someone else here saw that. I didn't want to start a whole thread based on @grumpycats 'hidden account' that he upvotes as 'sbd correction', or 'placeholder'/
So, speaking of stealing from the rewards pool... He likes to make an example out of someone making $100-$200 on a bidbot, when with that money they generally reinvest via powering up. Or they use it to boost their future blogs. At least the funds tend to stay on the platform.
Meanwhile, with his 3 million dollar account, he powers down and rapes the pool by hidden selfvoting.
Meh.
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I agree with you @maneki-neko good post. Will upvote.
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If you are under the illusion that the world is a meritocracy, you will be disappointed.
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I'm already disappointed. Steemit is not a world but a platform, and it can always be reduced or changed to better.
...Even though, people would have learned to break these restrictions, so we'll be in the same position again... Well, you're probably right, but I won't change my attitude.
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Same what Iam thinking
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You are absolutely right. The richer people can just pump money into upvote bots and then the minnows all want to jump on the bandwagon so they give legit votes.... and the cycle continues.
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Thanks for the support. If someone use one bot, well I don't care, but 5 or how many at once? That's disgusting. And now she is flagging me with other bot... :D But I do it for greater good.
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True I feel sad. I earn cents. Just because I dont have money to pay bots I cant earn a decent sbd :(
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When a person is honest, success doesn't come immediately. It's a long run if you're not a full-time artist, youtuber, or something like that. For a normal person who doesn't excel in anything, it's a little frustrating but don't give up :)
Find out what best suits you, which your posts had the biggest success and keep going.
At first, I used bots as well. In particular, @randowhale and @minnowbooster to have my posts at least a dollar and I moved somewhere. Then I joined @qurator, and for every post, I have about a dollar (per day), so now I don't use bots. However, until yesterday I didn't know how enormous votes you can get from them.
That's why this post makes me upset - she used multiple bots. But after I exchanged a few opinions with her, she seems to be innocent. She thought that she is helping her people to get a bigger curation rewards, but this is not how it works. Larger payout means less curation reward for minnows. We will see what further development will be in her work.
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Read my blog "YOU BELONG HERE, RUN YOUR OWN RACE"
Steem ON!
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me too i agree with her 100%
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Thanks for the support.
Yeah and a few flags came, classic... :D
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flags, and apologies - pulls injured face, 'i widn't know' ;-)
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Don't be mistaken. I don't care about those flags. They did me nothing. Only one came from her. I just don't understand one 7 days old account, who started flagging with her and flagged all my posts and comments with some upvotes despite that they have nothing to do with this conflict.
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I understand. It is most likely an organized collaboration. I have seen similar actions elsewhere. Use of $bots ought to be shunned totally. I fear there will be more sorts of abuse on the horizon with respect to content itself. For the moment, the pool is large anough for abusers to thrive by bidding bots and knee crushers (the ones who flag opposition), but eventually, one might see a sort of content which is like click bait. It will start with 'selfies'. Enjoy and take care.
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@purepinay post has something read it again...
she has a lot of followers mostly newbies because she give it back to them 99.9 % of her votes.
Someone out there will read your post if you reach, interact with them just like what @purepinay is doing.
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Those upvotes are all she (materially) give them.
Those posts, pumped by bots, are useless for all newbies because they won't see a cent of their curation rewards.
When she's so perfect why she has to use the bots (and multiple at a time)? Hm? Why the support of those she helped or whatever is not enough for her? She is just another greedy person, open your eyes...
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who says she's perfect, this platfrom is not even perfect..
greedy? heroine filipinos?
have a lovely day.
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I exchanged some opinions with her, and it seems she just didn't know how curation rewards work. So peace ✌
Perhaps it won't happen again.
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Ok good:)
The platform needs a lot of changes and if that happens...the rest will follow.
@sunnylife proud Filipino Steemian
PEACE.
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@purepinay sorry for your loss :( However I do enjoy your posts, so have an upvote!
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Sorry, didn't mean to flag. Just was flagging some spam, and some misinformation posts.
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I support you my dear one @purepinay ... continue your good work , there are many other bots to chose from. Following you now in order to stay in touch and always send in my support...upped.
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Thank you, and you as well! :)
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I support you @purepinay :) following you! And btw, you’re soooo pretty 😍 #TeamPhilippines
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I support you too @purepinay, You do a good job with your posts and I will continue to support you.
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Thank you! And I will support you as well, but you have to blog more! Last blog you made was a long time ago :)
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It's not about you. You're the victim twice.
It's not your fault. You've been the victim of 2 @steem predators. Voting bots and @grumpycat
@grumpycat is waging war against voting bots. You got caught in the middle. @grumpycat doesn't care about you or even see you as a human being. He just wants voting bot blood and doesn't care if you have to suffer in the process.
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Well, you got 1k
, more than your previous blogs, less than the next one, and a mean comment by the grumpy cat.
You also made a very, very informative blog that I'm sure will help us minnows through our steem future. So thank you and don't feel bad. You're great. 👍
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@purepinay take your time I like your posteidea and ur doing great jobe keep that I will comment for your post
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you up vote your self then rebuying steempower
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So, if @purepinay is not abusing, why did you flag her? Suppose you wanted to take down an "enemy", you could pay a non-GC-compliant bot to upvote your enemy and then you, @GrumpyCat would come flagging and finish them off.
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Again @GrumpyCat
is kinda doing the right thing. The best way to hurt a company is to hurt its customer. @GrumpyCat "enemy" is bots that help people abuse the reward pool. If he were to downvotes his enemies it would not do good their posts only make max $50 while people can make "last minute" votes at $200.
The best nope. But it best way to force bots to do it.
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Lol. Grumpy anti-abuse? Rofl. Keep sucking down the propaganda.
Yeah he's a real shining star:
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Yeah, it makes it a gamble to use them. If everyone is aware there's a chance they'll lose everything they bid on the bot, it's less likely they'll bid anything.
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@oropeso It's all recorded in the blockchain.
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Just like you self voting yourself to the tune of 30% of all outgoing votes over the past 90 days. Its on the blockchain.
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I think it's funny you guys are attacking me for my less then 1/3rd of the time voting with my little $0.50 vote.
Like it's somehow comparable to paying bots $2500 for a huge payout. lol
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not attacking we are here to express what we think. @purepinay gives her upvote 99.9 % to minnows to help them grow and a lot of you doenst know that.
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"gives her upvote 99.9 % to minnows"
Fundamentally no better than giving it to anyone else.
Anyone around here not a minnow-communist?
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BURN!!!!
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grumpy cat ftw \o/
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You mean the bots YOU'RE buying votes from. Go downvote yourself.
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