STEEMIT - knock, knock ANYBODY HOME???

gunternezhoda (45) in steemit • 7 years ago (edited)

Very frustrated now. Posting since 2 weeks, 117 posts.
Most of them are great quality, interesting or helpful.
Mostly I don't solicit for upvotes, because I don't like it.
I don't upvote myself because I think it's weird.

I commented, participated, tried to be an asset.

No matter what I do, nobody sees my posts.
Upvoting and commenting is only from bots.
What am I doing wrong?
Is there a hierarchy on steemit.

And now this:
gunternezhoda bandwidth limit exeeded. Please wait to transact or power up STEEM.

DID I WASTE ALL THIS TIME???

Somebody fill me in please!

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7 years ago by gunternezhoda (45)

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gunternezhoda (45) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thanks again everybody. On a positive note, just went over the 100 followers mark. Will comment on others more and change some tags. Thanks for all the support.

sirknight (67) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hi Gun,

I thought I would pop in and give you a hand. I approach Steemit as I do life.

I have two ears and one mouth - so I listen (read and comment) at least twice as much as I post.

I have been here about 8 weeks now and have over 1,000 followers. In the beginning (first few weeks) it was about making friends. Good commenting will probably earn you more than posting too.

Then it became about participating in a community - I can't stress the importance of 'community' enough.

If you come here looking to get rich without participating in community activities, you will fail dismally.

And don't get caught up in all this 'it's not fair rubbish below - most here have had to adopt a similar strategy to what I have outlined to succeed at various stages in the STEEMIT lifecycle.'

Suggest you step back - reassess your strategy, then go forth and conquer!

And feel free to drop round to #teamaustralia some time and say g'day.

Finally - 'UPVOTE' yourself man - what's wrong with you?

SirKnight

SECRETARY TEAM AUSTRALIA

communitynews (57) · 7 years ago

We at Community News agree SirKnight. Steemit is about 'Community'.

United Steemians will stand! Divided they will fail!!

Community News whilst still in early stages of formation, is all about building communities and promoting community activities.

purpleprose (52) · 7 years ago (edited)

It's not about it not being fair, it is currently fair, it's about maths not envy, Steemit has users that are very powerful and because of that get more powerful everyday, it happens exponentially. If Steemit grows and the trend continues, a very, very tiny handful of people will have all the voting weight while millions have none.

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sirknight (67) · 7 years ago

Many of your so called 'Whales' PP are out and about working very hard to spread as much love as they can to as many as they can. They are out there blowing kisses (creating opportunities) all the time. But you have to get out there and start catching kisses mate - not sitting back thinking 'poor unfortunate me'. SK.

purpleprose (52) · 7 years ago (edited)

Never said poor unfortunate me, you're still not getting it. There's no emotions at all connected to what I said. I'm sure the "whales" are lovely people, it's about mathematics, not about hating on someone, like I said it's completely "fair" as it is. If the trend continues, Steemit will be unusable because 20-30 people can't "blow kisses" to the entire world. So at some point there will need to be some kind of re-balancing done.

(Unusuable as a way to earn rewards and get your stuff read).

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sirknight (67) · 7 years ago (edited)

Oh PP - I sense the conflict within. If 20-30 people blow kisses to 20-30 people each. Then those 20-30 blow kisses to another 20-30 and so on. The wealth will be far better distributed than it is in the real world. Not to mention the STEEM changing hands in the open market - the higher the price of STEEM goes the more diluted it becomes - someone has to be selling after all. It's just maths mate.

boodles17 (49) · 7 years ago (edited)

@sirknight your comment has caused me to coin a phrase "trickle down steemonomics"

sirknight (67) · 7 years ago

boodles17 - great concept - time to write a Doctorate. 'Trickle down steemonomics' - you are a genius! (Sorry it took so long to read this btw.)

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boodles17 (49) · 7 years ago

Lol...glad you like it!

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purpleprose (52) · 7 years ago (edited)

"Oh PP - I sense the conflict within" Don't be like that, I'm not trying to have the typical internet argument, I'm not trying to "win". I'm trying to get across to you something which I can see you've missed. The key phrase is "snowball effect". Because if I have a large percentage of something and because of that I keep getting more of a percentage than others, the result is that you'll end up in a situation where a handful of people have everything and everyone else has nothing, even if they are passing rewards down. Again, there's no emotion in my post and no ill will to anyone, that includes you.

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lifeworship (66) · 7 years ago

Some of what you are saying has already come to pass. The efforts at rebalancing, so far, seem unpredictable. The dynamics of the system need to be self balancing before Steemit exits beta.

It seems to need a conditional rebalancing initiation framework. As varying conditions exist the system should not remain static, but adjust to the current conditions. How this would be done, I don't know. How does one test for scalability without the scale?

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purpleprose (52) · 7 years ago

It's a very complex issue, devs have to balance keeping minnows engaged, keeping whales rewarded for their stake and not tanking the Steem price, I don't envy them, it's a very hard job.

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lifeworship (66) · 7 years ago

It's one of the things that I've wondered all along. It is spoken of as though the whales are the only ones who've invested, but my time is more valuable to me than their money. I've spent that time posting some things that could even save lives. Some of the large whales post garbage, worth nothing, and sit and soak up the reward pool. The investment of minnows time can be of much more value than those who simply stick a money vacuum into the reward pool and leave nothing for the rest of us.

purpleprose (52) · 7 years ago (edited)

Yeah some do, some post great content. But there's a lot of garbage that's earning hundreds of dollars. I have no problem with someone posting garbage and getting a lot of money for it, good for them I say.

The only real problem is the zero-effort garbage is far too visible. People chasing curation reward always go where the money is. It would be nice if there was a way to incentivise curation by quality rather than dollars, but don't know how that could ever be possible.

Half these garbage posts have barely any views on them as well, so it's not like people are really interested in what some dude had for dinner.

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unionunited (43) · 7 years ago

I feel it is more pay to play

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sirknight (67) · 7 years ago

Or as they say in business @unionunited - having some skin in the game. I like your account name... can I have it?

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ausbitbank (73) · 7 years ago

Hi Gunter , sorry to hear you're having troubles getting established - you've arrived in an interesting period for steem(it) with a whole lot of people joining at once.

I'd recommend just focussing on building your followers by engaging with other peoples content, and getting involved with groups like minnowsupport and networking.

I'm following you now and have voted some of your past posts :)

For your error, I delegated a little extra SP to your account temporarily and a more permanent fix is happening already : https://steemit.com/witness-category/@blueorgy/witness-consensus-reached-for-maximum-block-size-with-a-median-of-98304

Best of luck

sirknight (67) · 7 years ago

Great reply ausbitbank - appreciated you dropping in and paying a visit. And important thread I believe. Both strategically speaking and with respect to setting steemit expectations. SK.

bearone (68) · 7 years ago

I feel for you :( and everyone else who is having problems with exposure. I dont do awesome but I don't think I'm doing too bad either.

I've been here for a month. I have never asked for a follow, upvote or a resteem either.

The first few days was slow and I was fumbling around posting this and that, feeling out what people here are into, which tags are popular etc.

Then I joined @teamaustralia and my steemit world opened up. Instantly I was connected to people and I can use a tag that heaps of people in the team australia community check every day.

I then seized the bull by the horns and took an opportunity to design their logo and next thing you know I'm making heaps of friends and being part of the community.

This is a two way relationship. I know who my faithful few are and I go out of my way to check their blogs when I dont see anything from them on my feed.

The key is to participate in the community.

Check these two tags out #teamaustralia and #minnowsupport - see if youre interested in joining.

It doesnt matter what your objective is. To be successful on Steemit you need to engage and that doesnt just mean writing your content, it also means commenting on peoples posts.

Yall have to take into consideration that Steemit is still new and at its early stages. Things seem sucky right now but it wont be like this forever, its in the best interest of the developers to ensure a fairer system for the sake of future growth - and I doubt theyre into self sabotage at that magnitude.

sirknight (67) · 7 years ago

Nice post Arly. SK.

bearone (68) · 7 years ago

Cheers Sk

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gunternezhoda (45) · 7 years ago

Thanks so much, I'm using those tags you suggested now.

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bearone (68) · 7 years ago

I hope you joined the groups before you used the tags.

Contact
@choogirl to join #teamaustralia
@tjpezlo to join #teamphilippines
@minnowsupport to join #minnowsupport

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gunternezhoda (45) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hi again,
I see, you have to join groups that vote and follow each other. I'm not interested in that at all. I'd rather have less followers but they are interested in my posts and vise versa.
I never liked that "You follow me, I follow you" mentality, on any network. Thank you though. I removed the tags.
Success feels so much better if you actually did it.

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bearone (68) · 7 years ago

Yep. You join groups with like minded people so when they look up the tag they know they can find someone like them.

Eg. Team Australia is where aussies find each others and where friends of team australia can post and find us. Same goes for Teams Philippines, USA and GB.

I don't like that mentality either. Like I said. I have never once asked for a follow, upvote or a resteem and I never will. Ive been there with facebook and I know the value in getting real followers.

We are not required to follow every member - team australia voted on that not long ago and decided theres too many of us now and we follow who we like.

That said youre right the majority of people that I follow, upvote and resteem are people from those groups. Not because its required, but because I like their content and admire what theyre trying to achieve and because theyre my friends and I wouldnt have found them, or you - since I was asked to read this post by a friend from team australia, if I didnt join the group lol

Success for me, feels better with friends around me who I can talk to 3 months later and reminisce about HF19 because we grew and travelled together.

This is a big wide ocean to be swimming in alone. Just saying.

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generation.easy (65) · 7 years ago

Forget about "fairness" , fair this fair that...
Quality content... blah

This is social networking, nothing is fair about it. Plus this is paid social networking...
So obviously most people, arnt going to go out of there way to give a shit about you or any other minnow...
Ive been here for a year, its nothing new.

You need to get out and make people care about you. Whether that is investing so they think voting on your stuff will get you to vote on there stuff.
Or doing something unique...

My only advice if you plan on making something and sticking around...
Dont care about the money - its the only way

amberyooper (69) · 7 years ago

It's just rather hard to get noticed on here. There's so many new people on steemit now that it's easy to get lost in the sea of minnows.
In my opinion, having a whale notice you is very difficult, and doesn't help all that much. What seems to help the most is finding other people on here who are interested in the same subjects that you are, and interact with them. If you actually have something to say on subject their posts, some of them will look at your channel to check you out and to see what you write about. If they like what they see, they might follow you. You don't need a large amount of followers to make progress on steemit, what you need is followers who are interested in what you write about. For instance, I have more than 400 followers, I average less than 20 likes on my posts. What I need is more followers that like the subjects that I write about. That is what everyone on steemit needs to be successful.

sirknight (67) · 7 years ago

Excellent amberyooper! UPVOTED!

And in other words - it is about 'community'.

And guess what Hard Fork 20 is about - 'Community!' [And a couple of other things]

SK.

amberyooper (69) · 7 years ago

Thanks!

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jetblake (53) · 7 years ago

Yes, there is a hierarchy on Steemit. I have the same issues. I keep posting daily. I also read and comment on other posts. The ones that got on Steemit the first 3 months are the whales now.

beriberi (47) · 7 years ago

Is that really true?my impression is that whales are people who poured a shit ton of money into Steem. Would love to hear more about the self-made whales.

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jetblake (53) · 7 years ago

Yes the ones that pooled money and poured it into Steemit are part of a whale clan. These whales that poured tons of money into Steemit are kings of pump and dumps and referral programs.

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purpleprose (52) · 7 years ago

Hey Gunter, I looked at your blogs, and your rewards are very low for how much work you've put in. Good work that deserves a lot more. I wonder if you pissed someone off or got tagged by a bot?

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gunternezhoda (45) · 7 years ago

No idea, how can I check?

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purpleprose (52) · 7 years ago

I gave you a resteem to try and help a bit but I don't have many followers...

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gunternezhoda (45) · 7 years ago

Very nice, thanks, You have one more follower now :)

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purpleprose (52) · 7 years ago

Usually bots leave a comment like "I'm a bot, I found similar content elsewhere". There's a bot called @cheetah do you have any comments from that one on your blog?

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gunternezhoda (45) · 7 years ago

No, haven't seen it

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purpleprose (52) · 7 years ago (edited)

Quality content is often unrewarded here, there's a few people that have all the voting power and lots of "minnows" trying to get noticed, if they don't see your blog post it dies. It seems a lot of it's down to the early adopters being far more powerful than the average user. Hey, they deserve a lot for their effort, but all the voting weight in a few hands will make it very difficult for new users. Steemit is fundamentally flawed, I fear it may die. I've become disheartened like you and will probably not stick around long, thought about powering down today and I've been having more success than the average noob.

I've been getting the same error as you, as well as having to re-follow people I was already following.

Sometimes all I want is to start a conversation on a subject, but if your post doesn't immediately get a $5 upvote, no-one's interested, no matter how well-written. Everyone's chasing pennies and there's not a lot of real conversations happening.

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gunternezhoda (45) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thanks guys for the responses, I feel better that I'm not the only one. Really like this site, would be great if it would work.

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purpleprose (52) · 7 years ago

It just needs re-balancing, if the votes I just gave you were worth even 5 cents rather than 1 cent it would be a lot better and people would use Steemit normally rather than hoping to get noticed.

The whale vote can't shrink too much, but it should be weighted somehow, so there's diminishing returns after a certain amount of SP.

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goldenarms (66) · 7 years ago

I saw this post, I noticed u and u matter. Be patient.. you're still new man. I was frustrated when I first started, I'm still not getting alot of views but I've met some cool dudes and that's worth the price of admission so far!

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philippinetrail (51) · 7 years ago

Hoping this resteem would help a bit. It's a hard time the past few days in Steemit. Exposure is hard. I do see lots of comments from people here, they have given very good advice. I don't think I can add more. Good luck!

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chinito (58) · 7 years ago

Kumusta Gunter! Hi. I can definitely understand ur frustrations. I joined steemit about the save time as you, so the I know the minnow struggles. :P We can choose to get upset and down about it, or see it as a challenge and just persevers and have fun during the trip. U can get there.. all us minnows can. just dont give up and enjoy the community. :) ok, thank for sharing.

ps. following u and upvoted.

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momogrow (61) · 7 years ago

I know how you feel. You received some good advise below to which I will also heed. I still have to figure out a strategy because I have tried a few and wonder why I do not get more views. I stopped for a breather as it was quite daunting but I will not give up. :) Let's keep on Steeming on!!! Followed and upvoted as I like your rant. :)

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galenkp (75) · 7 years ago

Hi Bro, I checked you out and think you have good content. I won't comment much really as most of what I would have said has already been said. I'll throw you an UPV though and will RS one of your posts to give you a hand. Good luck with it.

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connecteconomy (71) · 7 years ago

You have to upvote yourself!! The first vote of a post goes 100% to the author. If you don't give yourself the first upvote, others might hesitate to be your first upvoter.
See it like self-love! If you won't love yourself, who will? LOL
Good luck

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gunternezhoda (45) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thanks, not sure if I agree though. I think if you vote at the beginning it takes 7 days to payout, you will lose about 50%. If you vote 24 hours before payout you get almost everything. Depends how much your vote is worth. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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connecteconomy (71) · 7 years ago

Not sure what you mean by losing 50% over 7 days - this may be something I'm not aware of - but the very first upvote of a post is not part of the 75%/25% payout split. It goes 100% to the author. Whether you upvote yourself or I upvote you - you will get 100% of that first vote. I will get nothing, if I am your first upvoter.

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aussiesteem (58) · 7 years ago

See @gunternezhoda Steemit is just like life...it has its ups and it has its downs...just now you are having a down. Hold on the up will happen, just follow the advice of the bigger fishies. Good luck!

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dickturpin (59) · 7 years ago

Rome wasn't built in a day!

Remember, you're up against stiff competition.

The first people to join: They have a head start on all of us so they know each other back when steemit was small. There is an accusation floating around that these individuals only vote each other with their vast wealth of steem power? I don't subscribe to that view.

People who are already established on the web: Youtube, Facebook, Twitter. Most bring hundreds of followers with them to steemit. I can cite at least two individuals off the top of my head.

People who purchase Steem: Buying steem on the crypto markets with dollars, bitcoins or some other crypto currency. Remember, the more steem power you have the bigger the rewards. I saw someone the other day who spent a $1000.00 on steem thus giving them a much better influence and obviously much greater rewards.

There is one other comment I'll make which you may not like? While you may think your stuff is quality (I'm making no judgement here) others may not agree with you.

Consitancy seems to be working for me, creating a regular topic that people can get used to/look forward to with the odd smattering of 'something different' every now and then. I'm in no hurry to have 100,000 followers or $1000,000.00 steem power et al but each day in small steps my account status gets better and better.

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gunternezhoda (45) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thank you all for the kind words and encouragement.
It really is not about the money at all and I sure don't feel sorry for myself. I had a great career and still do, I just want this to work. 2017 to me (I'm over 60) is one of the most amazing years in my life. Crypto currency and all other changes in cyberspace are sooooo exciting. I can't wait to see what will happen in the near future. Thank you all again for posting.

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cpmsec (25) · 7 years ago

Been here just 24 hours, but my first impression is that Steemit is drowning in plagiarism, cut and paste everywhere..... !

If people are just able to create articles using large sections of other peoples work then we are in trouble!... Likely people churning out things all day long eclipsing those that work hard and create their own original content.

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forexbrokr (67) · 7 years ago

Cheer up buttercup.

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