The thing is this, I know why this happens to thousands of posts each day!
Is that really the truth though..? -Probably.
More than 43,300 users are registered on Steemit at the time I'm writing this post. ( Check http://steemstory.com/ by @roelandp for cool information )
How on earth would I know the perfect time to create my posts?
Due to some serious research. And due to some major failures..
Is it accurate? -Not at all. That's impossible.
"Why would I be reading this post if you don't know what the F you're talking about?"
I'm an addict. A Steemit addict that is. I've been online for an average of 15 hours per day for the last 3 weeks...
I know.. It's ridiculous.. But I can't help it.
During the last 10 days, I've studied. I've tried to find a pattern. A whale pattern. Not because I desperately need or want the upvotes but because I want the truth. I need the truth. I need knowledge. I want to know what I'm actually doing and what's going on..
What did I find out..?
Whales like @berniesanders for instance, is often upvoting content related to marijuana. Recipes, poems and photos. Marijuana related content seems to be a favorite.
He also frequently upvotes a bunch of photos in the photography category and he's also quite active in the "fiction" category too. Both new and old content is being upvoted by bernie. Perhaps that's why he's one of the "favorite whales" on steemit?
Anyhow fiction, photography, marijuana and recipe related content, and you might have a shot at one of bernie's upvotes! :)
The major whale, @ned, he's upvoting a lot of introduction posts (other whales are doing that too I know) but ned seems to be doing that more than others..
How come..?
From my perspective.. It's because he doesn't spend the same time upvoting peoples content that other whales are doing, so he focus on the introductions.. However Ned also frequently upvotes content related too "blockchain" and "bitcoin".
@dantheman, probably the only whale that actually tries to "dig" around a bit to find some quality content. At least he's digging more than any other whale I know of.
He also finds the necessary time to actually comment on different topics.. And I've seen both him and bernie reply on comments "far down" the list in some topics, so they spend some real time doing what they do. -That's awesome!
All of the whales are frequently upvoting anything steemit related too!!
So, I could obviously continue with other whales too... but I won't.
Instead, I'll give you this..
@gavvet, a superb content writer and he seems to be a really cool dude. I love the fact that he helps authors and splits the earnings. Much like @stellabelle's "secret-writer" service. I've even thought about contacting him myself to see if we could make something happen!
And before I dive into this, let me just tell you that I don't know these people in person and I don't know if any of them are the same person or not.
Let's continue..
Take a look at this:
That's a few of gavvet's recent posts. That's some great earnings and I do believe he deserves every single penny.
Wait a minute...
Didn't people talk about the 80/20 thing.. The Pareto principle..?
The Pareto principle (also known as the 80–20 rule, the law of the vital few, and the principle of factor sparsity) states that, for many events, roughly 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes.
Anyhow..
Just to prove my point even further..
That's four ( 4 ) different posts.. Within 24 hours. And all of them have pending payouts of loads of cash..
Let's dig some more into this..
Do you see anything these 4 different screenshots have in common..?
Yeah, that's right!
@itsascam, @steemed and @steemroller
I've even heard that all of these accounts are @itsascam's but that doesn't matter at all.
The only reason I pointed this out is due to the fact that other people are putting in hours of effort, just like @gavvet does, but most of these people doesn't earn a single cent.. Meanwhile @gavvet makes an easy $10,000+ due to these upvotes. (I know. He splits the cash with the author, but that's not the point.)
Also note that the screenshots I shared are old. Check out gavvet's blog for the current numbers.
Seriously though.. And this is just one mans opinion..
Wouldn't it be better to spread these upvotes on other peoples content instead..?
I mean, upvoting 4 posts from the same person, the same day.. Isn't that a little too much?
As I've said several times already. I know that gavvet splits the cash. However, it's still gavvet's account, and 4 upvotes to the same account, the same day on 4 different topics.. That's way too much in my opinion.
And what follows next is what I've already said above.. More whales, dolphins and minnows are obviously upvoting the content, as it's get to that "trending" stage very early.
We are all here to provide quality content, to bring more people to steemit and to be a part of this fantastic community and we all are grateful for this opportunity.. People can earn money by creating posts..
but .. wouldn't it be better to share your upvotes with other people so they have a better chance of earning..?
Note that I have nothing against any of the people I talk about in this post. In fact, it's the other way around. I respect all of them. I respect them and this community so I brought this to the surface. I see things like this as a problem.. A major problem if we are trying to make #steemit the community we want it to be.
Best Regards,
hitmeasap
Great research... let me fill you in on a few of the facts.
I used to have a very modest automated following based on reputation I built (over two months) that would pull my post out of the pile.
It has been getting increasingly insane... to the point that by my observations it seems like there are around 70 bots chasing anything I put up... this is a recent development probably prompted by earnings figures put up recently.
That's when the spike seems to have really happened.
Even before this I noted this disparity and that's why I started featuring authors. To start a new form of curation... bot love curation
https://steemit.com/sharing/@gavvet/spreading-the-bot-love-experiment-results
I will be posting very little of my own content from now and mostly featuring authors... I am also entering into negotiations with bot owners to diversify their following...
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What % of SD do you give your guest authors?
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all SD goes to the authors
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Ah that's the way to do it!
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I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I assumed gavvet had 50%, so that's on me. Truly sorry for the inconvenience.
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Just upvoted to get it to the top of the comments where it will be seen
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Thank you @gavvet, I appreciate your comment. Thanks for dropping by!
Just to make it clear once and for all, as it appears that someone actually believed I was talking negative about you. -I would never do something like that.
I think you're a great author and you contribute a lot to the community. The fact that you feature other authors are an amazing idea and I love that kind of contribution. I really do.
The only reason I choose to use you as an example in this thread is just because I stumbled upon these upvotes and that made me curious. I had to find out if I we're on to something or not.. And, you know the rest.
I have NOTHING against you or any of the other people that upvotes your content. You deserve it. You're a great guy. What this is about, is just the 4 upvotes you got, on 4 different topics, during 24 hours.
That being said, I do understand that things could happen. Anything can happen.. But I still believe it's a bit too much when so many other authors content ends up in nothing due to all the new posts being made.
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It gets more insane, check out some of the bots that follow my upvote on the first comment above
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Yeah I saw that. Just imagine what would happen if these bots had whale/dolphin powers.. That would be crazy.
Are they doing that on all of your upvotes?
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Meanwhile I only get followed by the annoying bots! :P
I'm only teasing... I liked this post by @hitmeasap , it was enlightening to a naive little me to learn about the power dynamics at play.
But I also like your original content and encourage you to continue! I wish you luck as you try to establish your new forms of curation.
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Thank you very much @reneenouveau, I appreciate your kind words :)
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Steemit is failing me actually, my #introduceyourself post got nothing :(
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Don't give up and don't be afraid of failure. Someone will eventually find your content so just keep going! That's what I'm doing..
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I totally agree with you! I showed of my project steempages.com yesterday and got 4 cents and 9 upvotes for it: https://steemit.com/steemit/@millen/steempages-com-a-steemit-business-and-project-directory-beta . I felt devastated when I woke up and saw that nothing has changed, I worked countless of hours on it. Maybe I should just rethink my strategy and start taking pictures of buds to get an juicy upvote from @berniesanders . Great article @hitmeasap !
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I upvoted your item. Keep the good work going!
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Thanks mate! :D
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or maybe spend some time creating a reputation ... maybe even go ask @ned where u can help out on the site if you can do programing
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Thank you @millen, I appreciate it.
One should not mistake what I've written about here with the fact that tons of quality content "disappears" among the load of content that's being created each minute on steemit though.
It's impossible for people to read everything, which is also why I truly believe that upvoting other peoples content instead of upvoting the same persons content multiple times per day would be a better solution for us all. Especially in the long run.
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You did your homework, mate. Nice "catch". Did you heard about the voting lists the whales uses ? There is a rumor that some users are on a voting list. And there's more....but be positive. @positive.
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Yes, I've heard about the voting list too. I don't know if it exists or not but it seems very likely. And I have nothing against such things.. But I would love to see people spread their votes on multiple authors instead of rewarding the same person several times.
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there is no vote list... believe it or not, many of the wales don't see eye to eye especially on content... they mostly curate what appeals to them.
Some whales will not vote for certain authors no matter how good because they know they are doing fine without them... this constantly shifts.
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Thank you for the clarification. I appreciate it!
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That is a fishy heading haha :)
There are many ways actually to know the best timing of making your post.
http://catchawhale.com/ that is a pretty nasty site actually, i also like http://steemitpond.com/ but it is a demo , and it is created more for fun actually :)
You can also look at the activity of the whales, it takes some time but sometimes it is worth it.
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Well.. I deserve an A for effort at least. :D
Thanks for sharing the sites. I appreciate it.
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Of course you deserve it haha , im sure it took you a long time, i can see it because this article is soo huge.
Hope you will get more from it :) good luck buddy haha
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Thank you very much, I appreciate it :)
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well hello there keep "F" or just your content clean because this is a great post. I would feature it. Ok just one argument i want to make in gavvets behalf... he doesn't have to feature anyone he could be placing his own 4 articles everyday and keeping it all to himself but instead he has decided to share the upvote power which his reputation has bought him. He has spent months building a great reputation putting lots of effort and time into it. has even done work for the programming of the steemit community ... how much have you done besides just posting things? and now gavvet is even sharing this money and reputation with others and giving them the cash.
In conclusion...
stop whining and build yourself a reputation on the site that is the only way you are going to get anywhere. You cant judge one persons success by what he is making . You never saw how much input that person has put in to get there!!!
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Hello @dragonslayer109, I believe you must have missed this:
And this..
I think gavvet is an amazing person and I believe he deserves every single cent he makes. I've never said anything about that at all. I know he splits the cash and I think he's doing a fantastic job!
I've never said anything bad about him at all.. The reason I used him as an example, is just due to the fact that I stumbled upon these upvotes.
I don't hate @itsascam or any of the other whales, dolphins or minnows either..
What I do think, is simply put, that it's a bit too much to upvote 4 different topics from the same author, during 24 hours.. - Other authors could have got their "share" of these votes, if people spread their votes.
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he doesnt even split the cash he gives it all to the authors. the main problem is that content isn't getting noticed and that he is helping content get noticed so your word "share" wouldn't see anyone anyway or be spread at all as the whales don't have the time to go look for your amazing posts in the huge mess of spam and i know this first had because i go through all that spam everyday trying to find great posts to feature so that they get noticed
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Oh, I'm sorry. My bad. I took for granted that he split the earnings with the author. Sorry for the inconvenience. Even so, I do understand why some posts doesn't get the attention it might deserve.. It's due to all the other posts being made. People can't find everything and I get that.
This is not about that at all. This is mainly about upvoting the same author multiple times.
I used @gavvet as an example. Nothing more. And even if I was wrong assuming he split the cash, he still got upvotes on 4 different topics, during 24 hours.. How many others are doing the same, but keep the money for themselves?
That's the reason for this thread.
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If you have a look at it it isnt them upvoting the same author but 4 different authors with 4 very different posts. its not one person at all. and yes i agree with you that some others might be doing it and keeping it all to themselves but the following dont just upvote and they wont allow someone to just spam posts and let them get money for it thats how reputaiton comes in and as soon as it is noticed that someone starts to take that advantage of the system the following will no longer vote for that person many of the bot following are people that want to vote others up but dont have the time so they are very picky on who they have which they auto vote on and gavvet is trusted that he wont spam and abuse the system. if you have also noticed that the value of posts has gone up as the auto voters trust him that is how it has increased and that just shows you that the people behind the auto voters arent just running them on whoever but are seriously picky on who they run it on
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Sure, I see your point but, as you said yourself, auto upvotes.. gavvet has built himself a great reputation during his time here on steemit and he would have got these upvotes no matter if it was his own posts or posts from other authors.. All due to these auto upvotes.
The auto upvotes are based on his reputation and him being an awesome author. I get that and I have nothing against that.. That far.
As I've said numerous of times already. I like gavvet and I respect him. I love what he's doing for this community.. What this is about, is the auto upvotes & votes on multiple topics from the same person..
In gavvet's case, it's 4 different authors. I get that. But the issue still remains..
What if others are doing the same thing.. And use these auto upvotes to make bank over night..?
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further more this is a way in which he is sharing the votes and money by featuring those people that make great content but there things is never seen
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You are truly defending @gavvet and I appreciate that.. But there's no need too. This has nothing to do with him in person. I love the stuff he creates and I appreciate him even more now when I realized (because of you) that he actually gives away the all the earnings. That's just amazing!
But still.. This is much bigger than gavvet or these specific upvotes he got.. Just imagine how many others there might be, who are doing the same thing.. but instead of giving it away, or splitting it with others.. They keep the money for themselves..
That's the real issue here.
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i agree with you on that but things like that only happen with these special upvotes as you can see most of the upvotes have more or less the same people at the top which are giving the value$. now these people which do this special upvotes are really picky on who they auto upvote on if you have a look at the start of the special upvotes on posts they have become more and more of these special upvoters on the gavvet account as more trust him more will come and upvote any post he puts up . at this stage there will never be others that abuse this system and the whales wont allow this either.
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You yourself have a special upvote following of your own as we speak . You are just at the start and if this post goes to the first page of trending you too will have more of the Special upvoters following you
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That is true. I'm doing whatever I can to build myself some reputation and I'm working hard to bring new users to steemit.. And so far, things are going as planned!
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I agree, I wouldn't knowingly upvote the same author more than once every few days as it's good to spread the wealth, but to be honest, I don't check who wrote it, if it's good I upvote just like I'm doing with this post. Otherwise, to me, it feels like playing too much of a calculated game.
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Thank you for the comment. I agree with you.. And I can see why some people don't take a second glance at the username.. However, I truly believe that whales with crazy voting power should.. Steemit would benefit more if they spread their votes on multiple users each day. Especially during these early days.
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Brilliant article. Thanks for taking the time to make it. I hope Steemit can be tweaked to be more fair over time. There needs to be more incentive to route out good content, not just Upvote the "sure shots".
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Thank you very much @condra, I appreciate it. :)
Yeah, I know steemit WILL make superb changes and it will keep on evolving for the better.. With our help! :)
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Hello, please check out my idea on getting more posts rewarded:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@lorddominik007/my-thoughts-on-steemit-an-idea-to-help-great-posts-be-recognized
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Sure, thanks.
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well done @hitmeasap
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Thank you, I appreciate it!
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I've read some of his writings and he's really good, he's been constant and that's really appreciated from the whales here. I know there are tons of good content in here since i got to see a lot myself, the thing is that in order to whales notice your post you need to make a rep first, Im sure that many of the people who vote doesnt even take a minute to read what they're upvoting, but some do and if a whale find interesting what you're doing, you'll get a space in their vote list
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Yeah, he's a great author indeed!
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Fantastic post. I think a lot of us are mystified by how the whales operate and the seeming randomness of how different things succeed or don't. Thanks for adding some useful information to the debate. I will follow you but right now the follow button doesn't seem to do much - a personal feed would be great (like Facebook).
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Thank you, I appreciate it! :)
I don't understand if or how the following works right now either.. Hopefully it will be changed or fixed in the nearest future. That's a feature everyone would benefit from! :)
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Yes! I don't recall if I mentioned it on the post like this from last night but I've done a couple of posts where I ask people to leave a comment about something (it's been different both times I've done it) and I'll upvote that comment. I like to think it's a way to give out upvotes to people who are actual people that interact with the site. Maybe it's me being a little selfish or reserved about who I vote for, but I hope it can help foster a community mindset in some folks.
Also, if you don't mind, I want to throw up a link for my post which gets a payout in about a half an hour. It got some decent responses, but I'd love to see if anyone else sees this post and ends up there as well... https://steemit.com/photography/@robsteady/a-lazy-sunday-afternoon-have-some-images-from-my-collection
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Great post!
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Thank you very much, I'm glad you liked it :)
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