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Let's face it, none of us like Facebook that much.
Okay, were off to the next questions I had in my Mana - What Has Changed? post. Thank you for your answers @bluerobo, @magnus.harboe, @trincowski, @hafiz34 and @eccles. My answers are the last ones in every list.
Can you post and comment as much as you want to?
- I definitely can't post/comment as often as I want. Definitely no voting (too much RC, no value)
- I haven’t had any trouble posting, but I have only posted 2 posts so far.
- Yes, but I was already at 500 SP before the fork. 2000 SP, including a Delegation.
- I thought I the RC wouldn't create a problem but as I am concentrating on getting a slot on @partiko leaderboard or win the weekly contest in @dlike, I feel that my RC is not just enough.
- I'm mostly managing my resources pretty well -- when I run out it's a sign that I should probably log off and do something else :)
- Yes. But I had almost 200 SP right after HF20.
Have you (had to invest) invested in Steemit?
- I didn't invest
- I haven’t invested yet, but I might do it this weekend.
- No, I wanted to invest. And I am still not done. At these prices, I will be buying a bit of STEEM every month or so.
- Yep, it's a meagre investment, but around half of my current Steem was bought directly.
- I didn't have to, but wanted to. Few months ago I changed almost all my crypto currencies to Steem Power. That wasn't much. About 100-200€. Black, Red, Doge and Bitcoins. Some of my Litecoin and ETH also.
Is it easy to get new people to join Steemit?
- I never tried. I'm here to learn, not to ponzi ;)
- I haven’t invested yet, but I might do it this weekend.
- No, it's extremely difficult as people think it is a scam. 😂
- Yeah... A bit. But then my personal circle isn't that wide. I've managed to direct a few sympathetic strangers towards the platform a while back, but I don't know how they fared.
- I managed to persuade one person to join Steemit. Don't really want to talk about Steemit to other people I know, because I know their general attitude towards crypto coins and things if they are asked to read more than few lines of rules. But I do occasionally post my Steemit writings to other social media sites. To promote Steemit. Does that count as trying to get new people to join Steemit? :D
If your friends have joined Steemit, are they still active? If not, is it because of Steemit or partly because of Steemit?
- A friend of mine, @obq, just joined a couple of days ago. She is active and is still learning the platform.
- Only my brother remains active. All my other friends logged in once or twice and never posted anything.
- No. That one person never was that active, upvoted few times but never posted anything. Never resteemed and found only few people to follow. Now after couple of months doesn't use Steemit at all. I think it's a mixture of several things: not that into certain kind of social media sites anyway, although is into Redit, not a blog post writer. I used to talk about Steemit, try to help the adaptation of the platform and give a soft landing but not that much after one sentence: "Sounds challenging." I knew that that's exactly what Steemit is at the beginning: tedious, difficult, troublesome, challenging and tricky.
Before we go any further, read what @arseniclullaby has to say about Steemit.
https://steemit.com/steemfest/@arseniclullaby/to-those-of-you-going-to-steemfest-this-is-important
Now I know my pole, that got only few answers, does not tell how things really are in Steemit. But I did get something to write about! So here I go ranting and chanting and all that weird stuff about Steemit.
I get it. Pay to play. Gotta invest to use. I do get it. But that doesn't mean that I agree with it. First of all (I've said this before and I'll say it again) it's the number one marketing rule, that you have to give people enough to go on if it's something new you are trying to get them to use or like. You have to get them hooked.
Second of all not everyone have the money to buy the right to speak up. The right to comment. For most of us investing to social platform is just a hobby. But not everyone get to have a hobby because hobbies cost money. Some just can't afford it. Do we want to send that kind of message? You don't get to say what you think if you don't pay? Regardless of someones financial situation, I think if Steemit is about change, doing things differently, people coming together and decentralization, poor people should have as much chances to say what they want as rich people.
What happened to the idea that with enough enthusiasm and quality content, you can get your voice heard here and perhaps, if you are really lucky, get by little bit better because of Steemit? Because you can post here as much as you want and show everyone your talent? What happened to that?
If you haven't seen this before, go and check the comments I made with @worksinsane's account. (The account had about 14 SP at that time.) That was 25 days ago. Have the amounts of RC needed to post something changed since then?
And I completely agree more or less with all of the things that @arseniclullaby stated. Especially about the tags and the thing that Steemit is hard to grasp. Hard to just jump in for everyone who is not a crypto enthusiastic. We need normal every day tags also! Not just crypto currency tags and rants about Steemit. (I do realize the irony of this as I do want to use the correct tags for this post.)
Some of the things wrong in Steemit and mentioned in this post are not all because of hard fork 20, but it surely didn't help.
What I would like to change here in Steemit and what could happen?
Take a look at @ijmmai's post How Steemy is Whaleshares - A Guide for Steemians. Steemit might want to take few of the good things that Whaleshares has and use those in Steemit.
- Payout after 14 days or even 20 days.
- After the post payout has past, you are no longer able to reward a post.
If the payout time is increased, would that bring quality to the posts? Would it make people write less posts but use more time and effort to that one post every other day or every week instead of 4 short posts a day?
If you are not able to reward a post after the payout, other Steemians never ever have to explain one single newbie what happens to the upvote given after payout. Think of the newbie upvotes saved! Would it bring more engagement to older posts? Comments instead of just vanished upvotes?
One of the things that did change and I'm not so sure about...
- Being able to edit an old post.
I get the idea. Correct grammar or old links. I have edited few of my old posts if I have seen wodrs. Wrong words. Correct words written wrong. I just can't leave those be.
But I don't go through my old posts to see if they have old links. I don't have time to search those texts. It is easier to just write a new post. And if I would want to update the links on my old post, what's wrong with commenting my own post and updating the links to a comment? That way I can get upvotes to that comment if someone wants to upvote an old post. Kill two birds with one stone, as they say. (Horrible, poor little birds. In Finland we kill flies, not birds.)
But the second, more disturbing thing is: what happens to resteems when an old post is edited?
So what I also would like to change in Steemit is...
- The option of deleting resteems or hiding those in some way if the resteem is a mistake or the original author changes the post. Or for the resteems to be hidden automatically if the post is edited.
Here was my rant about Steemit and my suggestions to make it a wee bit better. What do you think?
As my part of paying it forward project, don't forget to go and check what these authors have been up to. :)
New:
@obq
Greetings, my name is Olivia and I love to learn. My goal for this page is to create conversations where we can all benefit from new perspectives. Enjoy!
@eccles, @juliamulcahy, @kanttiadvanture, @michaias, @northwestnomad, @pehteem, @schanzerx.
I've left those authors out who have not posted in the last 7 days or more.
Payout time should be every 7 days for each post , life long. Not just finished after 7 days.
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@juliamulcahy, @hafiz34 the interfaces themselves can implement this feature of rewarding old content, as for evergreen, posts that never get old it is based on economics from what I have heard and you should be able to find a few links on the discussion. Very lazy now. The basic point is because of the reward pool and because this is an economic system you just can't have evergreen content.
But as I said some clever engineering by the interface and people can reward others maybe on their latest comments, etc. It is more a case of inconvenience that we still keep asking for this and if I find links that explain it nicely I will share ;) pretty sure I will.
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This is a good point. I have found some very useful posts that have helped me immensely but as they are passed the 7 day threshold my upvote has no value, even though their post still holds much. Surely an algorithm that rewards new upvotes each week could be devised.
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That would be a great idea. But I have to wonder if there is something that prevents this from happening. Like the amount of the posts to monitor... or something.
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People are way, way too focused on Steemit.com. It's but one UI to the blockchain and quite crappy at that.
It will be much easier to get people to join Steem if onboarding is done via an app that they can use for what they really enjoy. Very few people are bloggers anyway. If any of your friends like to share cool links and stuff, you should point them to DLike and forget about Steemit.com altogether.
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I like using steemit only, it loads the fastest, does not have all the js load issues the other sites have, I tolerate partiko for convenience but if I want to actually browse etc I use steemit, my backup would have to be steempeak obviously they do great work but the interface bugs me and the last time I used it on mobile I could not even vote. Alas the infiltration of js into all the sites is just an evil we will have to live with or is it that the devs give pretty over functional the benefit? As for an everything bucket I like steemit, until we get a utility app that then embeds all these other interfaces inside it easily with a single point of entry the specific sites like dlike are a hassle and only worth considering because they tag your post with their app and then you get your votes etc. and sure because they provide only the fields required to post that is convenience. Alas elements like that can be built into a single interface and you can just go into @dlike, @dtube or @actifit mode if you wish
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It's simple and clear. That's why I still use it half of the time. I admit Steempeak has organized things better on their front page so that those newbies who go there, perhaps aren't repelled away because of all those tags that they have no interest in.
It is crappy. Simple but crappy. And we shouldn't accept that. Simple yes but not crappy. As long as there are people who might stumble upon Steemit.com first, we should demand at least a wee bit better appearance and usability.
It's like if someone is looking for a house that they do not want to renovate before moving there. Then it's no use for the dealer to say: "Sure it has a crappy outer walls and a leaky roof, but look at all the cool appliances inside! The fancy interior floors and cools gadgets. Sure it has multiple crossing stairs that lead everywhere, you get the hang of the stairs after few months when you've gone up and down those again and again." :)
Let's not forget the minority. :)
The problem with my friends is not Steemits fault. It's the word crypto and all the things they have to learn in order to use Steemit safely. That's "too hard" for them as they would say. I know their opinions about crypto currencies so I just choose to shut up.
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Your friends are not the early adopting type. The world is changing faster than ever, which means that early adopters get paid for being early adopters better than ever. Of course, you have to pick the right things to adopt early to have a payday in the first place but there are more opportunities than ever before.
This is very much an early stage for Steem and for the blockchain. We're constantly moving towards a better, more user friendly experience geared towards the masses. At one point in the distant past, a command line client was all there was for Steem. All the Steem whales mined their accounts when even Steemit did not exist.
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But they are! Unfortunately not in crypto currencies. I don't know if it's a Finnish thing or universal, but it seems that they have this crypto = scam written in their brain so... There really is nothing I can say. And how many times have I heard the phrase: "Crypto currencies are not here to stay!" HA, I say!
So we are! Let the early adopters of everything else than crypto or blockchaintechnology adopt something else what they think is more important and valuable. :)
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I agree about the tags issue. I try to set at least 3 of my tags relative to the content of my posts, but I admit I also like to use other tags such as #theluvbug, #travelfeed, #archisteem, #busy or #esteem.
However, I try to limit such tags to 2 per post. I'd much prefer to add tags like #portugal, #germany, #japan or whatever country is it I took the photos in.
Also #streetart, #graffiti, #art ... as they reflect better the content of my posts.
I don't think the 7 day payout is a big issue, because, let's face it. After the first day or two, it's extremely rare to get a vote anyway.
Maybe that should be changed first, cause as it stands, 95% of the votes will happen the first hour after a post is published. 4.5% will be given on that same day... and the rest of the votes (0.5%) will be given over the remaining 6 days.
The problem is the curation thing. If people know that voting in the first minutes is rewarded... while voting after that, isn't... most votes will happen on those first minutes.
This is just dumb.
Votes after 2 or 3 days are as important to the poster as they are in the first 2 or 3 minutes. And voters should get similar incentives to vote after 15 minutes, 2 days or 5 days. No?
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The tags should be under bigger topics. I believe Steempeak does that. So that you don't have all the tags at the same list if you especially don't want them to be. Topics could be like: countries, contests, finance, apps... and put there solely by the tags used. That would be clear and simple for the user.
But if the 7 day payout period would be longer and curating would be different, would we then get more quality posts with less quantity and less short posts?
I agree.
How Steemit works in posts and curating, makes most people behave like they do, post more, often, short, anything. Curate 15 minutes to 2 hours, usually not after that.
So the way people are doing things here in Steemit is because Steemit encourages to do that. Because it's most profitable and allowed.
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Maybe there should be two different tag fields, one for tags and other for topics. That would be cool.
Well, Steem sets the rules and we simply play along with them. Let's hope the rules keep changing and they find a way to overcome these issues. I'd really like to see people having the same incentive to vote in the first 15 minutes or after 3 days.
Then, we'd all simply vote for the stuff we like, whenever we like.
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In my understanding the first tag is like the topic and the next ones just tags. But the two different tag fields would definitely be better.
Let's hope for that. :)
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As @trincowski mentions and you do it is good to try and have the tags describe your post, but at the back of my mind I always have that nagging voice that says but that tag may describe your content, yet no one uses it etc etc. I need to keep in mind that my content does not necessarily get discovered in that fashion, and it is a choice between some random tag and one that is a supposed curation target, I for one always add the #writing tag only because it is an actual tag , but in general I am not too concerned with specific content tags and maybe I aught to be , most of my content gets discovered by accident, maybe someone resteems or wonders why I resteemed them or commented, I doubt it has ever been from a search or even from scrolling through a tag. with that said I do agree tags need to be from global to specific, @dreemsteem once said she only uses tags to show which communities she supports, for example, mostly that is what we all do.
I wold like to see the reward pool go 50/50 but also have continues voting to the same accounts be reduced, like RC , the more you vote to the same account in a short period the less your vote influence becomes.
I do like the 14 day payout on whaleshares purely from a curation standpoint.
As for resteems, the interface has all the power, they need to implement these features providing users with intuitive ui's and settings, a big thing missing on many is customizability. They can hide resteems if a post has been edited. Although I feel steemit has stopped giving a shit which is fair enough now let the rest please build something we can be proud off. Give us our flagship interface.
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I know! I've decided to use only Finnish words in my @jokinmenipieleen posts as I am writing in Finnish there, and those tags certainly are the kind that no-one uses. And the weird thing is that after 7 days, If the tag is unpopular enough, if I click on the tag that I know I've used at least once, it doesn't seem to exist anymore! It's not Trending, New, Hot or Promoted, so no-one can find it anymore. That sucks. Although sometimes new tags go several years back! Try to fins my #skynet post from 5 months ago. It exists but you can't find it by clicking that tag. At least I couldn't yesterday. I have no idea why.
I think there should be two fields for an author to fill. Tags and key words. The first could be about communities, contests and such and the key words should be about the content of the text and only that.
Hashtags work just fine in Twitter, FB and Instagram even when people and groups invent different kind of tags. Why not Steemit? Or is it because you are allowed only 5 tags? As you said, people use the tags that could bring people to their post, not necessarily the most relevant tags. (Of course Steepshot is an exception with the tags.)
Hear hear.
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I would prefer to see the reward pool go 95/5 so that people would start upvoting whenever they wanted instead of upvoting only during the first 15 minutes of a post. :-P
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What is this supposed to be??? People exchanging arguments in a reasonable fashion!?!???
I need more bullshit in my life! I'm going back into the comments of the proper internet!!
This should have been all caps.
To the point.
I side with @trincowski :
7 days is enough exposure. This is fast.
Tags don't seem to mean much. I get at least 95% of my content from my feed. Sometimes I check the category "New". Which actually looks more like Twitter than a curated news app.
And where else on the internet do you find people who like to talk about governance issues? Accounting forums maybe.
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:D :D
But, is this fast only because of the rules and code that Steemit has makes it so, or would it still be fast if the code would be changed so that one doesn't have to be fast in order to get larger payouts? Or would people just get bored and leave Steemit because it wouldn't be hectic enough?
I mean, I get the fact that if we want money to come to Steemit we need all kind of people, not just bloggers writing long texts and talking philosophical issues over a wine glass. We need investors and short posts too. Those who like to post only photos and so on. But I think we shouldn't do everything thinking about the money and being fast.
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Thank you so much for this post. @magnusharboe you would love reading this.
I soaked in as much advice as I could and I was dwelling on the thought of how Steemit should be more or less a perfect society, or striving to. There is a perfect balance of working together and individual success to be have among platform.
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You're welcome!
Now, let's create a Utopia! :)
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Come to Whaleshares, o wait you already did.
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I try to be more active there too. :) Tomorrow... or the day after that... :) Really I will try.
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It is hard to keep up on both platforms, that is for sure.
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Yes it really is. I try to make at least one post every week to Whaleshares, but I've already failed in it. So my strategy is to double the 7 days to 14 days. So at least one posts every 14 days. :D
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@magnus.harboe here ya go 😊
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Thank you😊 I was mention in the post so I have already seen it, but thank you.
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