"Steemit is a Ponzi Scheme - Boycott NOW!"

in steemit •  8 years ago  (edited)

IS STEEMIT A PONZI?

I came across a post on the cryptocurrency collectors club facebook group today which I would like to address here.

The original poster stated this opinion with nothing more than a tweet to back it up. I am a bitcoin lover and maximalist when it comes to bitcoin. I think Steemit promotes crypto and bitcoin in general so I am not against it unlike other projects which seek to dethrone bitcoin. Bitcoin is king. 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/cryptocurrencycollectorsclub/

Now he makes a convincing argument and I must admit that it has some things that most definitely be talked about. For one, I am glad he is bringing up some very important issues with Steemit that need more transparency. Either way, I see his direct observations are so from outside of the steemit economy so extremely biased as to compare it with Paycoin which offered nothing substantial in products or services. Steemit offers what Facebook and Meduim offer. Except authors are rewarded. I am watching some very good authors, for first time, making money writing about the subjects they love. Paycoin was a scam. Pure and simple. It did not produce a website and currency ecosystem which triggered thousands to partake. 

Value is in the eye of the beholder. FIAT is described as a ponzi. Bitcoin is described as a Ponzi. It's important to realize that value is completely created by supply and demand. If inflation is an issue at hand and the current checks and balances are not strong enough to check against it, then Steem and SBD will drastically fall in value. '

Here is the TWEET:

 10 of 44: I am convinced I was Scam'd into reading #steemit White Paper cause it's obvious no one else did, every page screams BS #steem - TONE

https://twitter.com/Tone_LLT/status/759577783542640640 

A few things I would argue with few things I would argue with this viewpoint which is fine if you want to boycott it or not... But I was very apprehensive myself when I first came across it. Mainly because I saw it take to storm the crypto community and everything that has a lot of hype and no discussion is dangerous. I am happy there is discussion and this is my view on Steemit NOT being a PONZI.

VIA basic google definition search:

 Pon·zi scheme
ˈpänzē ˌskēm/
noun
a form of fraud in which belief in the success of a nonexistent enterprise is fostered by the payment of quick returns to the first investors from money invested by later investors. 

Steemit does not fall under this definition, period. 

Ten Reasons Steemit is NOT a Ponzi


1)I have made and continue to make money for content on Steemit and so do others who produce good content.


2)A ponzi scheme would require most to invest to get a return, not the opposite where many people will be able to profit over content they created with no investment except the content they created. 


3) It is open source. Ponzis don't have block chains where everything is searchable.


4)Ponzis offer no service or product in exchange for investment. They are largely anonymous in nature.


5) The voting system is voluntary and based upon what the consensus likes for content and not determined by the devs who trends or not.


6) The Steem economy has checks and balances to counteract inflation like steem power. But Steem Power plays off the human nature that one would rather have a voice to promote viewpoints they want to encourage. This is why I don't cash out my STEEM POWER.


7) I have come across such amazing content in and outside of the trending. I have learned a great deal about others who are less likely to write about themselves and experiences on Facebook. It has allowed me to open up and have people directly reach out to me and personally thank me for my content which is worth it's weight in bitcoin. It brings new people into bitcoin and cryptocurrency. It creates SEO and backlinks for subjects and articles that would not normally have a venue to do so.


8) Ponzis usually require marketing towards users bringing new users in so that they can get paid. This is not promoted at all by Steemit per se but by readers wanting to try what authors have been writing on. You don't get paid to get other people to sign up.


9) I read white paper myself, I need proof of claim from white paper that it is a ponzi other than a tweet


10)It is determined in value directly on the price of Steem and Seem Dollars and what people are willing to pay for them.th this viewpoint which is fine if you want to boycott it or not... But I was very apprehensive myself when I first came across it.

I think Steemit has brought the crypto community together while promoting cryptocurrency and bitcoin to people who have never used it before. If we are to look at the world's population use of cryptocurrency it may not even total to over a million people. That means we have room for 7000% more adoption. I say this experiment (which all cryptocurrency is at this point) is worth a try and if it fails it fails, if it works it works. 

So boycott all you like. Boycotting is the only freedom we truly have in this world and some would argue that freedom is slowly eroding. 

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Note: These are opinions and research of multiple individuals and my opinions are my own and not connected to anything outside of Steemit other than my own free speech. 


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Steemit is not a ponzi 😃

Yes, Steemit is not a ponzi!

Wrong. It is a Ponzi, as are ALL highly speculative startups these days. It's a sad reality.

Ponzi schemes REQUIRE fresh, external capital to fuel the engine.

Steem requires NO external capital to function, though it would lower the value of the token over time due to inflation rates.

If someone can create an account, write something that people like, and receive liquid assets within 12 hours, that is the exact OPPOSITE of a ponzi scheme.

Cheers and Upvote. Excellent reply!

Ponzi's promise high returns, Steemit makes no promices of returns, it promices Steem and SBD but there are no guarantees that those are actually worth anything. Their value is driven by the utility of steemit.

I agree. Seems that anything anyone missed or is missing out on is called a Ponzi as a knee jerk reaction. I have heard bitcoin called a Ponzi a million times haha

No one has to put money into Steemit to earn Steems. Anyone who calls Steemit a ponzi scheme doesn't know what one is. The definition of a ponzi scheme is posted here.

People always fear what they don't understand.

Or they don't understand what they fear... which is anything that challenges the current systems.

its currently ranked #3 on coinmarketcap wow! one hell ov a ponzi if ya ask me ;p

i dont know steem.. but market caps don't realy have a value .. could be holders out there who got millions of free steam(or whatever alt).. usd value is only max of what ppl put into it. .. no matter how big the market cap can look . again.. i dont know steem enough to have an oppionion.. about bit.; but i do know market caps :)

Indeed Mcaps can be very miss leading, a coin might hold a high place on Mcap for a long time before they pull the proverbial rug out from under it. it takes time for enough buy support to build up before it's worthwhile for them to dump into it, ETH was one hype train that always screamed "too good to be true" for me... it wouldn't surprize me if the whole DAO "attack" fork and now both ETH/ETC where well planned money grabs by the devs. I never trusted ETH and even more so now, I'm glad I went with EXP instead.

Hey, keep it coming. Steemit gets more and more in the news, being talked about, etc. - this is what we want to fuel the fire. We all love the idea, the concept and are now questioning / ascertaining details on execution.

This is fucking ideal and I want to see more and more of it. You make excellent points to debunk the incorrect argument of Ponzi scheme. Fed is Ponzi scheme moreso than #steem. DUH.

We keep making money and they keep driving more traffic to this revolutionary platform. Bring the rain baby.

If a project doesn't have FUD then I have great concern about what is going on. All HYPE and no FUD is a recipe for disaster. Look at how many times Bitcoin has died... Bitcoin has received more criticism than all altcoins combined!

Wow. Great job. This is one of the most articulate rebuttals to the Ponzi Scheme bromide against Steem that I have read. Thank you for contributing your time.

Thanks Sterlin! I value your opinion highly and you are an author who has been rewarded who deserves to be so. Your writings incite people to thing. I love them!

Life is a ponzi scheme.

One generation works their butts off to create the next generation and all they get for their efforts is death.

Hehehe. Good write up, thanks!

Keep quiet about it. That ponzi scheme is run by God. You don't want to make him angry.

lol I almost went to a "Protandim" meeting the other day, which is more of a pyramid scheme than a ponzi, but I have heard Bitcoin and cryptos referred to as giant pyramid schemes as well so I find it fitting to discuss. Infact that was the first thing my friend said when I told him "Nah I'll stick with BTC and cryptos" then went on to describe what I thought about the product he was trying to sell people, I tried my best not to hurt his feelings or "burst his bubble" because if he is getting good results with the product and is making a bit of money then good for him (I didn't even bring up "the placebo effect") But when he came back with "well isn't BTC a giant pyramid scheme?" I had a good chuckle then talked about it as a secondary economy and discussed CAN/US currency and talked about how fragile they are or could be with the turbulent times the world is finding itself in these days... peoples pensions etc at risk. then I asked him "Keeping all that in mind do you think it is a safe bet to put all your eggs in one basket?" It seemed to make sense to him, and I truly hope he begins to take BTC more seriously.

As far as steemit/STEEM being a ponzi LOLZ that is a truly hilarious statement, I think in time steemit and sites like it will show the true potential of cryptos to the masses, they want to see it at work in the real world... steemit offers them that opportunity.

I came in with total feelings of doubt. I'm a writer and I've kept cryptocurrency at arm's length for a really long time simply because I never understood it. But Steemit is fast growing on me BECAUSE of it's transparency - BECAUSE it affords us an opportunity to earn but also an opportunity to invest back into Steemit. Of all the platforms I've written for and seen come and go, this is the first time I sincerely thought: WOW, they're sustainable! Great post @keithsmith - thank you for the time you took to research this.

Thank you very much! i find that my writing reaching others far outweighs the financial incentive but it is a very nice plus regardless.

People saying this will be the one kicking themselves, once this thing becomes what it is destined to become: a great success! And that is a mild way of putting it.

This is very interesting article. But its either way the decision of the reader. :(

Nicely done my friend...

Everything in crypto (including BTC) gets called a Ponzi scheme.

This is why I felt the need to address this opinion which is important to address.

Lol let him talk i want that price as low as possible! ;)

haha me too! Steem power please.

Only time will tell if steemit is a Ponzi scheme. I have lost faith in the old banking system. I think crypto currency is the future .

If he said he didn't trust the founders, than it was his opinion.

But he said Steem Whitepaper is BS, so he doesn't know what he is talking about.

I agree. I read the whitepaper myself. The checks and balances are very well articulated and thought out.

@keithsmih, I particularly liked your point 6 where you state essentially that as writers we are incentivized to leave some Steem in our accounts by powering up so we can have a say about what content we think should be rising to the top.

Just like bitcoin, the distribution of power will continue to decentralize as time moves on. Human greed proves to be a good element which incentivises people to distribute coin onto the market. You must have the buy support there to eat it up... which steem has proven to have.

Posted in the FB group to assist in your discussion. Cheers on the post here AND there..

Thanks brother. The discussion is helpful in today's day and age in crypto. If it wasn't for the discussion I would have never looked into Steemit as a platform to use.

Who cares what they think, that club is ran by James Clayton. I left after he told me to buy both CRAVE and COV.

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The Club has a great diversity of opinions and a good deal of Steemit supporters. Figured it was worth addressing.

good shot!

when Tone Vays sais somthing.. better listen very carfully.. :) he 's been around the block a few times more then most ppl :)

Just to follow on my previous albeit brief comment with some more explanation:

It's not a Ponzi because new members are not paying for the old members. If anything it is the other way around.

Money is coming in from the outside though in the form of Bitcoins which are being used to buy and speculate on STEEM.

Even if people think it is a scam (which it is clearly not) it is inaccurate to call it a Ponzi scheme.

This "Ponzi" slur is used by everyone to describe any kind of financial endeavour which they don't understand and/or they were too late to join and hence feel they are missing out on.

It happens with some companies which suddenly make it big and surprise people, it happens with some investment products that get a lot of attention and it also happens with a lot of cryptocurrencies including Bitcoin which continues to be labelled a "Ponzi" by antiquated people with vested interests in the "old system" of money.

The only thing that this inaccurate use of the word "Ponzi" shows is the fear and lack of intelligence of those using it.

They are unable to accept that something genuinely important or useful may have missed their attention and so try to slander it and hence sabotage it to confirm their own prejudices and deny their own ignorance.

Ignore these people because they are too entrenched in their own ignorant biases and self importance for their advice to be of any use. Once something like Steemit becomes firmly entrenched and established they will probably start pretending that they saw it and predicted it all along.

That is how these kind of people operate.

Great post and I often use the #2 response because I have made money with 0 dollars of my own invested

ponzi??

Pretty good points, there is no forced investments and there's no limitation per post as to how much you can earn, you are only limited by your content, and imagination to come out with new great posts

Estoy totalmente de acuerdo, si Steemit fuera una pirámide, lo primero que todos tendrían que meter dinero... Para nada se parece Steemit a una pirámide, lo que pasa que hay mucha gente con malos sentimientos y hablan mal cuando vas a empezar a prosperar.
Viva Steemit, ya era hora que alguien valore nuestros post, comentarios, etc.

People would need to invest in order for this to be a ponzi.. smfh.

I wonder how long it will take people to realize that Onecoin is a ponzi that uses the blockchain technology to sell itself but referrers make 10% in deep tree-bonus rewards and over 40% goes to the "owner" of it. They claim they are mining centrally but have proven less than what lunamine did.

It is kind of a ponzi in the sense that in order to buy any tangible goods for SP interest or author payouts, people need to exchange steem tokens to something merchants actually accept - USD, BTC, whatever. And that exchange only works if there are people willing to invest into steem at that point.
So in a way, later investors are paying earlier rewards - be it content payout or SP/SBD interest. Eventually, more people will be trying to cash out than buy in and the whole thing will collapse in on itself.
I wrote about this in more detail here

steemit is not a ponzi, anybody that claims that is silly.

Tone_LLT Tone tweeted @ 31 Jul 2016 - 02:33 UTC

10 of 44: I am convinced I was Scam'd into reading #steemit White Paper cause it's obvious no one else did, every page screams BS #steem

Disclaimer: I am just a bot trying to be helpful.

I Steemit generates some doubts with SP, people don't like when they read that you can't get your money out for two years or things like that. However, it's like a bank, if we were all customers of Steem Bank and decided to cash out at the same day or even week, no bank in the world could pay us. That's the definition of a bank run.

Pass the parcel

Is Steemit a Ponzi scheme? By the definition of a Ponzi scheme, no it isn't. I do believe that people are quick to jump to conclusions when things aren't going their way. Ex. being rewarded beyond their wildest imagination for a post. Thanks for sharing this @keithsmih!

You can argue your point all day but persoanlly I've over the whole debate.
Who gives a shit? Don't fuel the fire. It's buyer beware. If you lock your Steem down for 2 years then don't cry about it, it's your choice.

Lets all move on.