A Few Accounts, Still Getting Consistently Huge Rewards Post HF19, Because Minnows WON'T VOTE!

in steemit •  8 years ago 

Hard fork is a bust. Seriously. It’s had almost no impact, because the people it was designed to help are still engaging in the same behavior. Let me ask you, how many upvotes did you hand out today? I know I’m guilty. See, if the dolphins and minnows don’t exercise their full voting rights, then no amount of balancing the voting power changes anything.

Look around, the people who were getting hundreds of votes before, mostly still are. This means the rewards are still being divided along similar lines, if slightly more equally. In order for us to cause a seismic shift away from the things that currently get all of the rewards, we are going to need to change our voting mindset.

Every day, the prize pool is made up of a specific percentage of new steem. It is essentially the same amount each day. So, fewer votes, means each vote is weighted heavier than it would otherwise be and we’ve seen this before. Last year when there was talk of losing voting power, people began to conserve. They simply stopped voting. The effect at that time, was to stack the deck even more in favor of those Whales that did vote! And, I think it’s happening again.

Why do I think this? Well, take a look at my votes. Since I started active posting again, my following has grown by 50%. But, the number of votes I’m getting has not noticeably increased. In fact, since the hard fork, my votes, if anything, have dropped on average. So, what’s going on? I think that people are unnecessarily concerned about their voting power, to the point they are not spending the ten full-power votes they have in each 24 hour period. Remember, even beyond this your votes simply carry less payout, you are not limited.

If every active user were to engage in the process to the full extent of their full voting power, that would mean 300 votes per account. If this was happening, my 50% increase in following would create a rise in vote numbers. It hasn’t.
In addition to the suspected self limiting of votes, I’ve noticed something else.

Many of the accounts that have been at the top of the trending posts lists recently are newly successful accounts. Not only did that not have much success before the hard fork, they didn’t have hardly any votes. Now, they are consistently getting hundreds of votes, where fewer than a couple dozen were happening before. I’m not sure what this is about.

Looking further, however, in each case, I’ve noticed one of two things. Either steem was sent to these accounts from other places (could be from an exchange accounts, the owners having bought into steem) or, they working with delegated steem power from whales. While I understand that the rules allow for this behavior, it’s frustrating.

I care, because, consistently, the content being rewarded is very narrow in topic, outside of the norm for content that has been historically upvoted, and not really adding much in value to the site. I’d mention specific accounts, but after calling out a certain someone, I intend to avoid that type of confrontation unless I find it necessary.

So, what am I saying? I think we (the smaller account, and medium sized account holders) need to vote more. I think it’s important. The trends we set now may continue for the life of this platform. Right now, the rewards are still being concentrated in a few posts. That was supposed to end. I also think we need to stop following the trends, follow topics we find valuable, and only vote for content we truly feel deserves high reward.

Voting is not enough. Adding comments and resteeming, along with an upvote, however, can make a difference. Please consider doing all of the above on at least 10 posts a day to help make hardfork 19 work the way it’s supposed to. Otherwise, we are in for a continued string of “successful” authors, while the rest of us get much improved, but substantially lower rewards.

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I know my voting tendencies have changed. I am still adapting about how to vote.

Very true, though I am small I am making sure I upvote the max of 10 100% votes. I can't do a slider bar yet because I am not over 500.

The thing that should concern everyone is that 90% of the Steempower is among the top few hundred whale accounts. It really isn't possible for most of us to band together and change more than 10% in total, unless you get a whale or two to side with ya of course.

It sure beats doing this on Facebook but for free.

Yup! Facebook makes ads off of selling our info too. We are like slaves to them. At some point our time should be worth something, anything, and we should use our time to make money for ourselves and not for facebook/twitter/whatever.

agreed that Facebook was not free and that owe us money

very well said sir..
only whales are taking advantage of hf-19 update
but the minnows dont get too much from it because the whales don't usually upvotes post by minnows.

Well, if you get enough minnows to vie
Vote, big things are possible now.

This is amazing!
Can't believe​ I'm​ just finding out about this site.
This is the most brilliant​ thingI​i have ever heard of or sean.
upvoted @cryptomydollars

I feel like it even changed for the worst, it seems like no one hardly votes anymore...

Well said I was wondering the same thing myself to an extent. I think people need to be motivated to participate and do more to make this platform successful. Was thinking about maybe starting a small Minnow support group. Focused not just on growing but education about Steem and how to help grow and engage the platform in general. Think we need more minnow and dolphins contributing to everyone's success.

Are you aware of the MinnowSupportProject? @aggroed has a great many people involved in doing exactly what you mention. Even have a discord setup, bots, curation trails, etc... Check it out.

I am. I'm in that group and love it. It's pretty awesome, lol. I was just thinking that maybe a smaller group might be cool as well. I've made some friends on Minnowsupport. Just it's so big I have trouble keeping track of everyone.

Upvoting and resteemed. Hope this helps!

what does resteeming do?

It puts your post out to my followers so it can be noticed and I pay 1.00 steem, and if it gets votes, I earn some of the steem it gets.

I am a minnow and I have used up most of my SP % upvoting! Only been here for a week and yes it seems to be suffering because people don't seem to realize the power of any vote whether its for financial gain or just a show of support!

useful information and opinion so I followed you. will check out more of your stuff in a bit .. #muchlove

Another problem that I am seeing is the tendency of some to re-post EVERY THING. I enjoyed their original content but they flood my feed with re-posts so that I have to wade through all of that to get to their original content and the content of the others I follow. I have re-posted before and understand the desire to do it but why re-post 53 items to 1 original post. Good read mate!

Well there is no limit on resteeming and you get some small percentage of rewards for resteeming. IF you're not a big content producer it's a way to get some rewards and promote content you like.

Um, do you mean reposting something they had posted before, or resteeming someone elses post?

They are resteeming other peoples posts. Which, as I said, I get the WHY you would want to repost, but they are reaching the level of spam.

I find that I have missed too many posts I would rather have seen in the plethora I get in my feed. I am too loyal to stop following ppl I like, but am going to have to reduce clutter somehow. It may be you also have a similar choice to make.

It's hard to do!

Exactly! There needs to be sorting options in the feed so I can see authored content first THEN see re-posted content. Oh well, Maybe one day.

That is an excellent suggestion! Perhaps @dragosroua or @aggroed, both witnesses and quite knowledgeable, might also like it.

It was your idea. You tell them.

Hejsan @markrorrisjr

Happy to see your long post. Yes i think hard fork made it more simple for people with medium account.
I hope to see some more changes .
We still have a very long way to go in steem updates.

I will fillow your acciunt for more info.

Have a great steem mornig.

Best regads

Please follow me at @mrstaf

I think it was a great change, IF the smaller accounts vote!

Upvoted! My 20th vote today, and my vote value only dropped by a couple of cents. So who's afraid of the big bad vote wolf? Not me. I'm learning to become a regular voting fool! Vote Early And Often People. Your Steem future may depend on it! :-)

Good to hear! I know mine has gone down some with the price of steem, which is down over last week, partly because of Poloniex and the wallet being down, I think.

Yep. Do hope the Poloniex wallet issue is resolved soon. Agravating. :-)

Yeah, 1000 steem for me, 5 days and waiting in limbo.

this...I'd like to transfer my steem and SBD here...if this is where my time is spent...they need to scale up...big time...I understand their need to vet employees carefully...not diss'n them...been there three years...I like this place much more

I've transferred my STEEM here with no issues.

Great article. If you are not going to participate in upvoting, commenting, etc then you're apart of the problem =D

I don't see it like that, I think people find out, or are reminded that voting depletes and gets replenished, and they start pulling back. It's happened before.

Ah okay, that makes sense. Do you know if voting power gets replenished daily?

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

I think after the first two days of an upvoting spree everybody is being more selective about their upvotes, apart from that most people are upvoting their own posts at full power and some are posting several times a day, so that also takes from the voting pool, leaves less for upvoting others. As for the same authors getting the most money I think this is obvious, these are in the majority people who have been here for the longest time, have whales among their followers and these whales actually vote for them, besides they also have huge active followers, minnows, dolphins and the whales so they get so many more votes. As for the quality of the posts this is subjective, maybe what you think is no good to me is great, so I can't say people are upvoting posts that don't deserve it. For me HF19 has been great I am getting about $3.00 average per post, before I was getting about 20 to 40 cents per post.

Well, you are making some assumptions about who the 1% of accounts that get 99% of author rewards are, and why they are getting those rewards that isn't necessarily supported by data.

There are tricks that suck the maximum rewards from the rewards pool, and these accounts demonstrably are gaming the system better than anyone else. They time their votes, vote on posts they are sure will trend well, and otherwise vote so as to maximize their financial benefit.

This has ZERO relation to quality content.

I have no problem with people that make $1000's per post - as long as they are being upvoted because of the content they publish, rather than how much money they have.

That isn't currently the case, and Steemit is not going to benefit from such games. Those tricks degrade the quality of content on the platform, and piss people off, because people, like many other species do, strongly believe in fairness, and the system isn't fair.

I like Steemit. I like the people, and the civil quality of discourse. I don't want it to fail suddenly because people serially bail once they learn they can't just suck up to whales and get rich like them. That's what happened last July, before I came aboard, or so I'm told, and it will probably happen again soon, as the bolus of new accounts digest the facts about why they are making pennies per post, and rich people make $1000's, and they will never, ever, ever be able to.

I don't care about the money. I work for a living, and am gonna do well enough to die old from that. But I do care, about the fairness, and about good writing, and good reporting. I think that's what the rhetoric about Steemit also suggests it is supposed to do, not provide games that rich people can use to get richer than us, that we can't.

This is such a deep rabbit hole for me. Trying to keep up!

No, they're not, in fact, almost none of them have been here for more than a couple of months, recently, their reputation scores, and number of followers are well below mine.

I just checked and could only come up with 4 that are new accounts, but what is the problem, your concern is HF19 is only helping whales, but you also don't want new accounts to get a lot of upvotes, I fail to see consistency there.

I'm not here to make you happy, if you didn't understand what I was saying, never mind. "new account" does not mean "new user" if a new account comes out of nowhere and starts getting 300 votes per post, and over a thousand dollars per payout, how does that happen? I was consistently in the top 30 authors last summer for over a month, but I never got a payout that high even once, and didn't have multiple hundred dollar payouts everyday even. They may be new accounts, but there are whales behind it.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Last summer a minnows vote wasn't worth 1 cent so 500 minnow votes would have been less than $5.00, right now a minnow with 500 SP can give you a 40 cent upvote making it a $200.00 post, have you considered minnows aren't here to make you happy?

You waded into my post telling me what my problem was, so I responded by further explaining what I'm seeing. May I suggest, if you'd prefer another perspective, engage someone else. I'm not asking anyone to make me happy. I never said I wasn't happy. I'm doing quite well here, but I could do better and will. A lot of others would do better as well if more votes were used, decentralizing the rewards. That was my point. The activity on several of these accounts indicates that they are not what they appear to be on the surface, so I mentioned it.

that's a good Idea.
I'm muting you

Great, have fun.

Ok, let's say you're right and I'm wrong, you say you are receiving less votes, yet you don't even upvote comments that are agreeing with you, why is that? At least I always upvote any comments on my posts, unless I think they are made by someone who didn't read the post or is actually attacking me, in this case I would agree you don't upvote me, but please tell me why you don't upvote the other guys?

I do upvote comments occasionally, but prefer to upvote articles. Like I said, I'm guilty too of not using my full voting power.

Did you see this guy up above the muted me because of our conversation? LOL

@markrmorrisjr said "The activity on several of these accounts indicates that they are not what they appear to be on the surface"

I've been keeping an eye on these "instances" whenever I find them while surfing my feed...and the feed of others. I've noticed some of the same here as well.

There was someone, I can't remember who exactly and names are unimportant at this juncture, but there were several comments that received 2 rather decent upvotes...your's being one...which still stand.

The other seems to have removed those votes. Why I'm uncertain of, however I would like to know if such activity actually counts as a downvote on a comment/reply...if so...well that's just dirty pool.

Yes I am rather engaged in the comments here, there is much here for me to absorb and I'd rather not lurk. Just in case you were wondering what my motive was...if any.

~may all hatred cease...let there be peace~

edit: just to clarify...after double checking...perhaps I didn't look close enough as I do see 2 names on many of the early upvotes...of which you are one... just unsure f the second is the same now...my apologies if I'm mistaken.

Still the question stands alone. Can someone downvote comments/replies? You're free to test that theory onn this reply/comment...shoddy research lol...I assure you I won't take offense. All in the name of thorough research. ~smiles fer miles~

Yes, you can flag a comment. And yes, it is dirty pool.

"There's whales in them accounts"

Yes, something the man who just muted because he couldn't correct me into believing that wasn't true didn't get.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

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Nevermind. Sorry. I had to mute someone on one of my posts because he couldn't be civil. I welcome disagreement, just don't like when people are rude about it.

As far as the sentiment of this post, you're absolutely correct

My voting tendencies haven't changed, I'm still consistently driving my VP down into the 30's.

I just love to see a well written post get that extra 0.13.

It's so rewarding knowing I've given to someone who hasn't written a piece about food or bikini yoga parties.

But your topless yoga photo shoot was upvoted by me :( lol

Oh, I don't know if it's a good idea to let anyone else know that. ;-)

Just pretend it's Facebook! Maybe you'll get a tea contract! jk

That was a great post! Happy Monday to you!

I stand corrected...I thought it was SP that mattered...not much I could do about my VP...and I've seen it go down to zero result when I vote...by my upvote registered

There is apparently an app for smart phones that allows you to adjust VP without having to have that magical 500SP that gives you the slider.

I see...hmmm...not a big app fan...but that's good to know!

Me neither, I struggle with the weather channel app.

yeah me too...I just live with it...the weather I mean ;-)

Good for you! I'm afraid that's not a wide spread attitude, it seems.

Yeah....there's plenty of foodies and bikini yoga parties to go around a 100 times here and online in general. Thanks for pointing this out, and I may start to ratchet up the quantity of my daily votes. Thanks @theblindsquirl and @markrmorrisjr

SP is hugely important. Vote power degrades as it's used, and that is why people vote hesitantly. HF19 actually made VP worse, by using it up in ten votes instead of 40.

I still vote hundreds of times a day, which is why you only get $.03 from me.

Wait! where's the post about bikini parties? I wanna know... for science!

Anyway, I knew I followed you for a reason. It was a good reason.

I strongly advise against viewing the topless bikini yoga post without protective gear, possibly a welders helmet.

It has not been determined yet whether the resulting blindness is temporary or permanent.

Ack! I hadn't you personally in mind when considering the scientific study of topless bikini yoga posts. Thanks for saving my retinae with your timely intervention!

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Though I appreciate and agree with a lot stated in this post, I think it has missed a key problem that has now been amplified due to the new changes. Whales (and the potential for Whale Networks and bots) and the abuse of power contained within the "flag" option.
Have a look at this ariticle done by @crypto2day. Take note of the two users that flagged the post (zathras & zatrhas). Two "separate" accounts posting the same/similar content consisting basically of simple stories linking to third party news sources (as far from "original content" as one can get, absolutely nothing original about a spokesperson stating "here's some news from another person"), both flagged this post. I suspect they are run by the same person/organization. And their lack-of-original-content posts are raking in decent profits (dollars instead of cents, such as we 'enjoy'), while real photos we took and shared/real stories of our lives/original artwork and crafts we made are not even breaking enough value to invest in a stick of bubble gum. It makes me sad, it makes me sick; it seems the whales here are nothing more than steemit's version of the Bilderberg Group, elites abusing their power to persuade (control, manipulate) the economy and the masses for their own benefit. SIC
And so our hands are tied. What can we do?
As a network we could all flag their content based on it's hand-me-down lack of originality... and yet this would just create a list of users for them to go on the offensive on, using their weight to flag all of us and bury us even deeper.
We could 'Mute" them, yet from my basic understanding this would just prevent us from seeing them and not them from seeing us (they would still be free to flag us while we would be blinded to their damaging actions).
I can come up with no solution other than to either face off with them in a war we can't win or comply (stop posting content we suspect they would flag - basically allowing them to win without a fight).
I Will Not Comply!
I plan to just keep doing what I am doing. And if they go on the attack so be it (I can start another account... or, worse case scenario, research and develop a bot to take them on from a server that is not even in my home or on my network IP).
@crypto2day's reputation points fell from 37 to 7 seemingly instantly due to the actions of these Whales and their network of censorship.
If we can not find a way to defeat these efforts of the malicious Whales, then there is little to nothing we can do to "win" in this game because the game is fixed. So long as the Whales continue this war they started our efforts to upvote and resteem and share our content will have little impact or meaning, and their malicious actions have the power to even cause damage to our value if we upvote, resteem, and post content that does not fall within their own personal beliefs and agendas.
/sadface/

Well, you can use your voting power that way if you want, a flag is a vote and depletes your power. I'd rather encourage the things I like. I think the flagging is an issue, to be sure, but it can't be fought by doing the same. FWIW, I didn't "overlook" it, hell, I openly picked a fight with Bernie Sanders not a week ago over it.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

Being new here, I really don't know what to do.


I suspect getting into a flagging war with the bigger fish is a war I can't win. I suspect standing up for us and calling them out will only garner their manipulative and damaging attention. And if I just ignore it I won't be able to stand myself for not defending self and others.
Again, I only state these opinions as it relates to your original post - if one get's on a crap-list of a network of Whales, their upvotes and comments and posts can do more damage than good to one's account when the Whales go to war.
Sure, I get there are legitimate reasons to flag content. Yet the deliberate act of flagging for the sole purpose of destroying minnows based on differing opinions.... this should be outlawed, and should outrage anyone not involved in any schemes to destroy minnows to build up one's own account.
I bow to you Sir. Best bet tells me to keep my mouth shut and just continue posting my artsy-fartsy content, and hope I only get the attention good hearted minnows and well-intentioned whales.
Thanks for the post and reply, very engaging indeed. Good stuff.

I still think the best bet is to support good content, including your own.

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

I agree 100%, and this post has really opened my eyes to a few things (leading me to peek at your feed, leading me to follow you for the coolcool original content).
I should really disclose that I do not encourage anyone (including myself) to take on Malicious Whales both by themselves and from their own account (from their own computer as well). I do know that IF I were planning to dox a politician or deface a website that it would not be done from the same computer I log into Steemit and Facebook from. Same principles here... Opsec, full effect.
And to really simplify everything I am trying to say:
1: Follow @markmorissjr
2: Don't provoke Malicious Whales
3: The best thing we can do to combat Malicious Whales is follow the post's example of actively upvoting, commenting, and resteeming/posting our own original content (and, should it go to some kind of lame Flag War, let the nerds and geeks we all know and love handle it with their scripts and bots and whatnots).

You got it! Steem on!

People either place themselves in a world of lack, or a world of abundance with their thoughts.
Voting behavior puts this on display.
I like to vote and share. Others don't vote and think that they save.

one word...well five...astute!

I think instead they are trying to maximize the impact of their vote, which degrades as it's used. This problem is intentionally written into the platform, and became worse with HF19.

Oddly, depleting VP in ten votes instead of 40 means whales have to spend less time to extract the maximum rewards from the vote pool now. What a strange 'mistake' to have made.

Frankly, I reckon actions speak louder than words, and don't credit incompetence where malice better explains results.

Votes reward out of the pool of new Steem made every day, not from peoples accounts, and I think most people do understand this. So I don't think they are trying to 'save'. I think they are trying to copy whales.

I'm a little minnow and I like to vote because it shows appreciation of the blog you're reading. :)

I believe your vote registers even if there's no SP in your account...answer may appear...here...just below you if OP or someone who knows replies...or just try it and find out?

I believe it does? I hope someone can answer this too.

yes I believe so...80% surety ...I'd like a definitive answer as well.

see @blindsqirl 's comment above us

peace out...in

Done! Thank you!
Happy Sunday to you!

~smiles fer miles~

and you...I love mid-century modern...followed

Thank you and thank you for the follow!

so what you're saying is...stay calm and vote on...

I too was concerned and confused...only being here a week
after the fork it seemed the thinking was we only had 10 votes
when I got here I voted on posts and comments I thought deserving...never even understanding about SP and curation

excellent research...those still confused need to read this...and I'm going back to upvoting at will...until...well a steemless upvote is still a counted upvote ...correct me if I'm wrong on that would you?

upvoted...followed...and resteemed...first time I've actually said that ~smiles~
hardly the first time I've done so ;-)

~may all hatred cease...let there be peace

Even though you may not see $.01 result from your vote, even if your vote is depleted, it still contributes some 'vests', which add up incrementally to reward comments and posts you vote for.

The rewards pool is where the rewards come from when you vote, not your own personal wealth. The amount of rewards is calculated based on your wealth, but does not come from it.

Vote until your fingers bleed!

lol...may I quote you on that?

Please do!

thank you...I do believe I will...at some point in the not too distant future

Good Read :)

STEEM ON

Honestly I don't see what hardfork does. I see certain people posting pics of them eating lunch and making $100 . Seems janky.

I'm not talking about the $100 posts, those are peanuts. I'm talking about $1500 posts.

Id take $10 posts lol. Im just starting out though

  ·  8 years ago (edited)

I feel you! Im still trying to get a handle on this. At first I saw some movement, now I am counting pennies and trying to maintain my voting power.

Unless you are just conserving vote power to upvote your own posts and comments, there's no point. Whales can upvote their own comment and make $100 a vote. Our pennies worth of votes are immaterial alone.

Only when we vote early and often do our votes draw wealth from the common pool of rewards and distribute it to the accounts creating the content we like.

I have voted hundreds of times today, I think, and my votes still paid you guys a couple cents. This is what we need to do to best promote content that matters.

Vote a lot. Slide into home plate worn out and tattered, from running wealth to those that make comments and posts we like.

Im new here so i still dont understand how all this works but i just do the same thing i do in all my sn, i like (upvote) the things i like. Thats it! I dont even care much about losing the steem power or whatever is called. I get that is not a wise thing to do but also why am i have to just upvote 10 things per day? Dont we supossed to upvote the things we like? What about if i like 30 things? So i have to choose between all the things i like and just show my appreciation to just 10 people? Nah! That doesnt feel right to me! I dont look how much "power" the post have, it doesnt matter if its a trendy one or one with $0, if i like it i just upvote it. BTW, i just upvote yours... Have a nice day!!

That's exactly the wise way to vote. You have more than ten votes, but vote power depletes as used. I have voted many times today, and my vote still passed some SP from the reward pool to your account. So does your vote.

Don't choose between the things you like to vote for. Choose between the things you like and the things you don't care much about. Vote for all the things you want to support, and you will cause at least a tiny financial reward to go to the account your vote went to.

That's what im trying to do. I generally only like or upvote the things I really like. Some friends tell me I'm wasting my steems thingy by voting "more than I should" but I don't really care, the least I can do is showing my appreciation when someone takes its time to make a good post. That's how things should be. Have a nice day!

I came here to Steemit thinking because of what I read of it's fairness and freedoms, wanting to get away from the everyday aggravation and manipulation of the outside world. Having to walk on eggshells for fear of reprisals or offending someone appears to exist every where. Good content deserves recognition and rewards............billytwohearts

Are you finding it to your liking?
Just curious...as you didn't state such

~be~

I feel I have been treated fairly, by those who have actually read my posts. My dislike is based on the politics I see, where a very few seem to have the control of the entire platform, really no different than the outside world. I'm a firm believer in equality for all. I have never believed in two sets of laws. I am neither impressed or humbled by those that are rich and famous.
I do not know the original intent of the originators of Steemit, yes it is a business, but the way that it promotes itself does not appear to be the same once becoming involved.
Yes I would say I have become slightly disappointed, however one of my major concerns is the damage being caused by those who do not seem to realize what they are doing to the overall community.
I honestly think that Steemit has a great future, providing the masses do not become hostile, for it is the masses that create the steem, not the elites. Without them pulling on the oars the steem ship will cease to move forward...........billytwohearts

It is as it ever was. Those with the weight throw it around to their mutual benefit. If this place should become like many/most other blog platforms then I expect there would be a slippage in growth here...perhaps even shrinkage. Still until another platform comes along Steemit has the advantage of first position as a place where people come to not only have a chance to earn something for their work but become direct patrons of other artists who's work they enjoy.

It is hard to keep out the schemers and spammers and I suspect it will get worse before it gets better. I'm of the opinion that bots are better served seeking out repetitive posting, and those gaming the system, giving those persons a cooling of period to reflect if they want to continue their course of action or consequently being locked out.

2FA is an option and, as well as adopting a "know your client" policy in order to curtail multiple accounts. This cryptosphere is a growing entity...they say all is possible on the blockchain...if that is true then eventually we will have the community the majority seeks and a way to bar entry from those who would "game the system" or just...not make the cut.

Only time will tell @billytwohearts.

~may all hatred cease...let there be peace~

Welp, after HF19 I tried to understand voting tricks better. That was a mistake, because it resulted in exactly the problem you treat herein. People are trying to maximize their vote power.

All these tricks are debasing Steemit, or at least preventing it from becoming what the rhetoric about it promised: a platform that rewards ppl that post, and ppl that comment and curate.

These rewards are too manipulable for financial reward to be of much use in promoting content.

I think the only way to cure this problem is to simply let each persons vote have the same weight. Varying it by reputation might not be a bad thing. Varying it by how many times someone has voted decreases the motivation for folks to work hard to curate.

Does it make sense to pay someone less per hour the more hours they work? No.

Steemit needs to attack this problem at the cause, which is that rewards from the pool are extracted preferentially by those who are more wealthy.

Ending that inequity will solve myriad problems, and promote curation that does what curation was supposed to do: promote good content.

The reason 99% of author rewards inure to 1% of accounts is not that those accounts are good authors, but that they suck more from the rewards pool because they have more SP.

You got my little $.04 upvote, a follower, and a resteem too.

My rewards have increased by at least ten times.
I used to get $1 to $2 max for a post.
Now I'm consistently getting ten or twenty.
I've had 500 steem days.
I'm selling $100 a day in SBD's and putting it into my
Credit Union Account.
and a thousand dollars every friday

If this is a problem.
I LIKE IT!!

Well, I am happy for you. You have put in effort and time to get there, too, which is admirable.

I hope you only ever have such beneficial problems.

That's all good, and I hope your experience is ubiquitously replicated, but I reckon you'd be just as happy if there were no bots involved, and the rewards you've receive were strictly based on your charm, immeasurable intelligence, and devilish good looks.

L O frig'n L !

yeah...we all got problems ;-)

more quotable quotes from a valued-customer for valued Steemit customers

yer make'n me have ideas here @valued-customer ~smiles~

If they can get the smaller accounts to make fewer votes, while they continue to vote, they can concentrate their power pretty much the same as they always have, regardless of the shift in voting power, which I think was a good change.

good information!!:)thanks..

I guess I'm confused. I was not voting as much as I did the day after HF19 because my power was completely diminished (I am a brand new person, just over a week old here).

When my voting power was diminished I was giving $0. Should I not wait for my power to rejuvenate so that my votes are worth more and I can vote a little more before my power is back to zero?

From my understanding, because every newbie got trigger happy (I know I did, I was stoked to give out $0.02! I felt like I was finally contributing!). Now I guess I am trying to conserve. I like to give out votes to people who comment thoughtfully on my posts, but I was conserving for the "best" comments because I didn't want my vote to be worthless.

According to the latest data, you should have a minimum of 10 votes daily at full power before you voting power begins to diminish. Since the platform doesn't support fractions of a cent in payout, you'll see a dramatic shift, while someone like me goes from $10 a vote to 9.75 and gradually down from there.

Yeah, I guess what I am saying is, no one's (the newbies who came just before HF19) haven't even come close to fully recuperating yet from the day after when we all went vote happy. Maybe this "less voting" will get better over the next few weeks while we recoup our powers.

Yes, I believe it will.

I've found a little success so far, so I'll hold my judgement.

I want to see more smaller accounts better awarded and it feels like that is not happening as quickly as it could.

I try to upvote about ten times daily, but as i upvoted more pre hf19, i have had to adjusr my votibg behaviour. I assume that we are still adapting somewhat...

Even at 50% your vote is still worth more than before HF19

Yes, but only people with more than 1M Vsts (408SP) can vote at less than 100%. Once I get there, I will vote more at a lower amount of voting power, but until that day, I am stuck at 10 100% votes a day.

well, you can actually vote more, but at less power, also, don't forget, go back and vote for your favorites the next day, stories stay up for 7 days.

Most minnows are still scared from the fact that they have to wait inorder to get their full upvoting power back, but good point i never though of it this way :)

How low do you let your voting power get before you stop voting for the day? Mine is at 72% right now and seems to take longer to get back to 100%. Just curious how depleted you let your voting power get.

I vote for whatever I like, but remember, you don't have to vote for it that day, you've got 7 days.

Vote with all your might!

Or, at least a quarter of it, or a tenth, but VOTE! LOL

My vote is worth 9 cents. Haha

Well, that's about 8.5 cents more than before HF 19, I guess.

Haha. It is. It makes a whole lot of difference, really.

Yep, now, if we could just all agree on what good content looks like.

My comment looks good... Enough. I think. Haha

Thank-you markrmorrisjr for the very informative article you wrote. When all the changes happened, I really wasn't sure about how to vote. But your clear points really helped to clarify voting for me. I'm sure there are other people out there that aren't sure about all this so I will do as you suggested and resteem this post. I hope you continue to occasionally post more articles like this which are helpful. Keep up the great work. Thank-you!

the latest wisdom says, you've got 10 full power votes daily, so if you voted at 50%, that would stretch it to 20.

Thank-you! It makes a lot of sense. How do you reduce your vote to 50% when going manual voting. That would help immensely! :)

Every time you go to vote, it brings up your vote power, just move the slider.

Thank-you for your follow through. My daughter just told me I have to have at least 500 steem power in order to use a slider. Maybe that is why the very beginning minnows don't have too much flexibility in this so they don't vote too often. Again, thank-you! ;)

Well if your account is that small, you'd be dealing in fractions of a penny difference. You'll grow. Keep it up!