A Serious Question About "Taxation is Theft"/ "Anarcho Capitalism" / "Voluntaryism"

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I'll preface my thoughts and questions with a fact about me and my life:

I'm a civil engineer in Canada, and I work on a LOT of projects that are funded either through municipal or provincial (and sometimes federal) funding.


I get the opportunity to work on a large variety of community infrastructure projects -- from potable water networks, waste-water collection and treatment, road networks, storm-water drainage, and more.

I've seen many people on here, both influential and some less so, speak to the idea that 'taxation is theft'. While I understand numerous points to the argument (not wanting to fund the war-machine, for example), I'm having a hard time rationalizing the idea that taxation is theft with the fact that there is an incredible suite of infrastructure that is needed to make liveable communities.

There is a vocal community that speaks to how "every human interaction" should be voluntary, and maintaing a non-aggression principle. I fully agree with the non-aggression principle (do unto others, and don't do unto others, etc...) . I'm curious to hear how all of this wraps together. I have a hard time imagining someone in an upscale neighbourhood 'voluntarily' providing funding for improvements to a water system in an adjacent community (despite the systems being literally connected and reliant on eachother), or roadways, or social services etc... If anything, this would shift into, in my eyes, a form of 'passive' aggression aimed at others that are unable to contribute as much -- punishing them for being subjected to the whims of an amoral marketplace.

Living in a system that is 100% voluntary may be all well and good and achievable if you're on your own piece of land living in the middle of nowhere, on your own water system, with a sanitary septic tank and disposal / treatment field of your own, and you're able to grow your own food, never have to drive anywhere and live with nobody downstream from you in your watershed -- but in an interconnected world, there are numerous types of public infrastructure that is needed, and needs constant operation and maintenance. But at the end of the day, life isn't perfectly fair, and sometimes, for the best interest of society or even yourself, sometimes you have to do something you don't necessarily want to do.

I do not deny that todays version of government / governance is an outdated relic from the 1930's where we all didn't have smartphones in our pockets which allow us each to have a voice and express our thoughts, wants and needs. Back in the day, the only way to form some sort of social consensus was to vote for an individual or party that you trust in having your best interests in mind. If one were to start things again, presenting that same system in today's world seems laughable.

Given that blockchains are largely about achieving consensus -- it seems to me that there should be some way to implement them to allow us to navigate ourselves out of this weird, relic governance model we're currently in, towards something that is substantially more accountable, transparent and just -- but I'm just not sure what that may look like.

So perhaps I'll end this with a question that kind of wraps the above thoughts together...

Whether or not you believe taxation is justified, or theft: In a 'fair and just world', in what way do you envision being able to pay for roads, water networks, water treatment, sewage treatment, emergency services, and the like? Would you maintain the status quo? Would you still rely on a totally 'voluntary' methodology? Or is the solution more of a new-age, decentralized consensus mechanism that we all leverage to constantly modify and update an actual 'social contract'?

I'm tagging a few people who's articles / blogs / thoughts I've linked to, as well as some others who I've seen speaking to the same philosophy. I'm keen to hear your thoughts, @adamkokesh, @lukestokes, @teamsteem, @dan (teamsteems article was referencing and paraphrasing an article by Dan Larimer), @everittdmickey... I'm certain there's more, and if you can think of someone that has some insight to this discussion, please tag them in the comments.
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I think we should be open to real theft. Just as long as you're not stealing from me.

Oh I'mma gonna steal from you, alright.

Nice.

I do feel I have a fairly unique viewpoint on this, given that I come from a country with super high income tax (I've paid 45% at times) but with a host of governmental services and am now in a country with much lower income tax but it kind of feels like everyone has to fend for themselves.

Personally, I like a high income tax society that tries it's best to look after everyone even though I'm sure I was paying more tax than a lot more wealthy people. I'm even happy to pay for things I don't necessarily agree with, as long as it means that other less-fortunate people are able to have their basic needs met.

I do struggle with a super-antiquated government style, and have yet to find a form of government I can really agree with. I hate that Australia's government (regardless of who is in power) can only really ever look at super short-term issues. I'd love to get rid of the two party system and have some sort of issue based government, but I don't really have a model that I think would work yet.

In regards to your question though, I'd love to see a localized tax contract... if you want to live in this region, you pay this amount of tax. People could ultimate choose what they want to pay based on where they choose to live. Regions could attract more people by providing tax incentives, just like they do with businesses/industries.

Thanks for the response, dude! I appreciate your review of the two different tax-structures you've participated in -- very interesting.

I remember being a bit surprised last year, listening to some of the Australian politicians speak -- It was pretty reminiscent of some of the talking points you hear on American news (which also seems to be echoed throughout the world, these days).

Two party systems are brutal -- it's the illusion of choice. Three party systems are only marginally better (here in Canada, it's typical the Liberal, Progressive-Conservatives, and now New Democratic parties that are the big 3... ALthough the Green Party, Marijuana Party, Communist Party, and other parties barely get enough acknowledgement to let people know they exist). More choices, the better I say -- but even that only goes so far.

I think I like the train of thought you're on with the 'localized tax contract' idea. I've spent a fair amount of time drinking beer and thinking about stuff like this, and it always starts drifting into "who gets to decide" on what "borders" define each local region. Are certain things off-limits? I know there are corporations suggesting that potable water isn't a human right -- so what happens if a bunch of rich people set up their 'city' or 'tax-haven' on top of fresh-water or other natural resources (kinda-sorta/strangely similar to what we've done to indigenous communities in north America), and then force you to play ball?

So many unknowns. I need to just buy a farm, some solar panels, and move to the boonies.

There's the real theft, I suppose. Sometimes I forget that my charge-out rate is ~3.5x higher than what I get paid.

The company does use that money to provide for administration, breakfast sandwiches, expensives, and support staff. There's a profit as well, but probably not quite that high. Interesting post amigo. -rg

Truth. And it's probably very safe to say that things are a bit different where I / we work in comparison to most corporations (thinking fast-food franchises, for example) where the ratio is similar if not higher -- and they don't have the same type of overhead.

Not trying to rip on my situation too hard -- because it IS pretty juicy, and closer to fair that most places.