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nobidbot (44) in steemit • 7 years ago (edited)

4/27/18: THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN PUT ON HOLD AND IS SLATED TO BE ADOPTED BY @whatamidoing

You can read more about it here
The replies to this post reflect the reasons behind this change.

I @bycoleman, am happy to turn it over and hope that the @whatamidoing team can bring it to its full glory!

The #nobidbot tag was introduced by @whatamidoing a few weeks back in his post:

Why don’t we all protest the Trending and Hot page? - #nobidbot

Is there any point in checking the Trending page? Any whatsoever?
Nearly all of the posts in Trending and Hot have been paid for. Even whales can’t compete with an army of bidbots anymore.

If the whole page is filled with posts who merely paid to get there, it means that there is absolutely NO correlation between quality and payout. There are posts with $200 payouts where $196 is from paid bidbots. The high payout merely gives the illusion of quality.

I propose we make use of a tag (#nobidbot) for users who are not using any bidbots and encourage whales and dolphins to get onboard and support us. If we can get some good curation on the #nobidbot tag we can also encourage many of the users of those bidbots to stop and join our cause as they discover there are more ways to succeed without these kind of schemes.

The #nobidbot tag was further adopted by @looktothefuture in this post.

So, the more I thought about this concept, the more I realized how @byColeman and I could utilize @transparencybot to help bring awareness and incentives to this tag.

As of 4/18/18, @transparencybot will begin upvoting random posts that use the #nobidbot tag and have not used bidbots on the post.

The number of posts it does per day depends on its remaining voting power.

The tag does not need to be your first tag, i.e., it can be any of your five tags used. NSFW articles are filtered out.

The upvote will not occur for at least 24 hours after you have posted your article.

Currently the upvote value at 100% is about $.15. As @Transparencybot receives more delegations or increases in SP on its own, the upvote value will increase as well.

So the logical progression of course is to have a central place for quality posts

using the #nobidbot tags which are programmatically selected but MANUALLY curated.

This blog will attempt to select and highlight quality posts that meet both the programmatic and manual curation standards.

Must use the #nobidbot tag
Must not use any bidbots, resteemers are not strictly forbidden but discouraged.
Post must be at least 24 hours old (To be added to the manually curated list).
Currently there is no author reputation limit, wealth filters or exclusions based on quantity, but these factors may influence manual curation.
Although not fully disallowed, auto-voting and circular voting (from multi-account authors) logic will be considered to prevent abuse of these tools.

Posts that meet the above programmatic criteria

will be selected and listed in our organic Trending, Hot and New list. This is a list of articles that DID NOT USE BIDBOTS; therefor, if they are voted up, it is because people believe they are worth their vote ... Pretty simple concept isn't it!

Exceptional post that are found via additional manual curation will appear in both a separate list and may also be resteemed here and other companion blogs including @transparencybot, @introbot, @looktofuture as well as other participating authors.

This is just a start and much of this may be revised as we receive feedback and gain knowledge.

Please stay tuned. If you would like to be involved, please let us know.

Curators will be listed in the replies below.

Brought to you by @Transparencybot and @byColeman, with special thanks to @whatamidoing for introducing the #nobidbot tag.

Let's start a fire and get quality back on the trending list!!

@byColeman

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curatorcat (67) · 7 years ago

This sounds like an exciting initiative, and it is definitely part of the "New Steemit" that's arising and working towards a content and community driven venue. And that makes me super happy!

I see more and more posts like this, along with posts and efforts by people like @krnel, @abh12345 and @davemccoy and there seems to be a glimmer of hope that we CAN guide Steemit back in a better direction that's not just about creating a giant cash dispensing circle jerk!

Woo-hoo for that!

=^..^=

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lyndsaybowes (71) · 7 years ago

I LOVE how quickly this is evolving, such a great idea. #nobidbot is my new trending page!

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glenalbrethsen (68) · 7 years ago

I very much like the idea of the organic trending, hot and new list pages. Where will we find them? Won't they just automatically spring up under the nobidbot tag as people filter through those? Or will they show up elsewhere, too?

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago

Here I guess :D https://steemit.com/trending/nobidbot

(Does that count as a shameless plug?)

You can change 'trending' to 'hot' or 'new' too.

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bycoleman (59) · 7 years ago

Yes, you can do that, but those post may actually use bid bots.

I plan on creating lists within this blog that will update automatically and sub sort by category, for example life, crypto, introduceyourself, etc.

Later, some of this might move to an off site server to create a richer user experience, with the links bringing them right back to Steemit.

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abh12345 (76) · 7 years ago (edited)

Sounds good.

I have a feeling that the up and coming (where is it?!) communities will 'guard' against posts voted by Bid-bots.

There will need to be either a list of Bots, or the communities will be closed - I guess managing a Bot list might be easier.

Then you've got the issue of Pay for vote services, where someone has delegated their SP to MB or SS, etc.

What I was doing here - section 3, was taking a look at Transfers, and anyone receiving a delegation payout was part of the 'other bots'.

And then you've got the behind the scenes vote buying - probably the trickiest of the lot to solve.

Early days though!

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pbock (60) · 7 years ago

I'd say the idea of a front-end +- identical to steemit but with an added"no bid bots allowed" mention, and showing posts according to this new metric (aka., no bidbots) an interesting idea.

there could even be an added "bidbot addicts" tab that showed the posts having used the most bidbots XD

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enjar (69) · 7 years ago

Quite an amazing project you have created. Trending and hot have become so worthless when trying find things these days I hate to even look at them. It is just disturbing the amount of money people are willing to blow on very basic posts.

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j3dy (60) · 7 years ago

at least there is some movement, plus there is some "engagement" I'm still split on bidbots, I really think they are misused as cash cows ... It would be nice to use them when you see something valuable, but there is on return on that, or nobody's done it so far :) that would be nice actually, imagine paying for curation, that would be nice, send sbd, if it's nice great, get it back and a return on your investment,

well the only way to mildly impact the trending is to flag at this point, but nobody likes that and it's bad for business. . .

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enjar (69) · 7 years ago

I’ve once in a while received a bidbot upvote by one of my followers want to support content I’ve created that was above my normal standard. My game reviews tend to be rather in depth so when they very little. A couple of times in the past someone was kind to me at least and help out a little bit.

Impacting Trending

There are a few ways to impact trending. Some of the bigger accounts do go on what seems like flagging parties. You will see a collective group of people doing at least something.

Another way is to find 100% abuse and there are bidbots that will blacklist that user so they can’t do use them again and even if it’s really bad to pull their vote while still keeping the money that was paid. So in effect, those person loses a few times. However what is consider abuse is different from each one and it really has to be a pile of garbage or on a topic, some of them refuse to support. Most time that is joining a bidbots discord one such list of this going on can be found here blacklist update

Another way is to find plagiarism that is trending and not only report it to places like steam cleaners but also to the bidbots owners that are supporting it hoping they pull their votes. The cleaners themselves have over 1.5 million SP. That along with if a couple of places pull their votes will be enough reduced a post down quite a fair amount. I use to have an example of this bookmarked but looks like I lost it. One guy was copy/pasting stuff off google and had a bunch of open posts he bidboted to top of steemit trending. Needless to say, many communities were not happy about that and dealt with it.

Most seem to want to make it to trending front page of steemit. I rather not lol. Just but a bunch of spam comments, and pissed off people going after your work. Far too many fakes as thinking if they get top comment it will get them upvotes. I’ve had top comment for quite a number of hours on a trending post It made two cents before some guy came along and upvote his spam comment to the top and people just kept doing that lol.

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j3dy (60) · 7 years ago

I just go through the 70% crap comments, leave my thoughts here and there and then it's another week of no trending for me, I find that place a bit :D well it's better than before, it's 2 steps up from before, there is some quality, there are some more interesting authors, so bidbots helped with the variety and promotion, but I don't think that's how you get quality, more like hype and that's that,

so ideas about the nobidbot, any suggestions for improvements, I think it's doing great for some reason :D never expected such waves, although I see mostly older authors who are already onto how steem was operating before and prefer having a conversation rather than empty inflated numbers called "promotion"

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marty-art (58) · 7 years ago

Cool, I will try out the #nobidbot tag, haven't used a bidbot in ages! :D

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bycoleman (59) · 7 years ago

Excellent. You may already earn a random upvote from transparency bot. It is only worth a little right now, but it is a nice thumbs up at least.

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erikaflynn (61) · 7 years ago

Finally we see the first real step, not just complaints that everything is bad for us, original authors and human curators. It gives a hope:)
#nobidbot - Let's make it a new trend on Steemit!

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bycoleman (59) · 7 years ago

Thank you!! It takes discussion, but discussions are useless if we don't put something, anything into motion.

Its going to be a bit ROUGH starting, but there is so much talent here, I'm positive this thing will get very refined and powerful down the road.

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gniksivart (67) · 7 years ago

Need to include no self voting as well otherwise the trending and hot will still be useless.

Just my opinion.

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digitalfirehose (58) · 7 years ago

I've tried bidbots and am still on the fence about them. I believe that they can serve a useful purpose for guys like me. I write my own content. I do a little manual curation every day. I don't use any autovoting at all (though I have one fan who votes for my articles automatically>.

The @transparencybot seems to be replacing one lottery for another. I'm not sure that another lottery is going to help.

I would have to give it more thought, but my first impression is that this system doesn't seem to address a pet peeve of mine: nepotism.

I use the word nepotism in this context as an attribute of people who vote for their friends and their friends vote for them, regardless of the quality of content. I know of one whale so accused who said, and I paraphrase here, "You're just jealous because you're not one of my friends or family". That is nepotism. That person does write very high quality posts with pictures to boot, but I don't believe in voting for someone just because they're your friend.

I believe that I write high quality articles and I do so without regard to the trending page. I'm under the impression that in order to build a following, I must engage with my audience and do so consistently. I must curate, comment on other articles by other people. I tried bots to see if that would help me.

I've found that the math for bidbots works well in the sense that they generate demand for Steem and SBD. If you're asking for 50/50, you're going to need to keep investing to keep it going. If you go 100%, you're not going to earn much Steem Power, but you can in theory buy it later by powering up. I think in that regard, bidbots are an asset.

As to the abuse that you aim to stop, I only try to set an example by just performing manual curation. I am fervently in favor of manual curation, but still I am split about the bidbots because I've seen arguments on both side from whales and dolphins.

I can't say that I have both feet in on this idea, but I'm willing to give it a try. I will try the #nobidbots tag on my next few posts to see what happens next. I am interested in manual curation for my own posts and I'm actually rather hungry for comments and feedback on my articles.

You have an interesting approach here, one that I will check in on again to see if it has gained traction.

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