Wow. You folks just keep making it harder and harder for me to want to be here.
Many of my posts(nearly ALL) include art. Art that I made, myself.
If I were to come here and buy my votes, that would make me a fraud.
I can't simply buy a "Worlds Greatest Artist" trophy, place it on the stand, then call myself an artist. Someone might want to see me actually produce some art some day.
I have to compete with frauds.
Fucking frauds who buy participation awards and FRONT like they are exceptional bloggers.
Fuck this Shit
Why should I bother? This vote buying bullshit is killing this place. You don't care.
Instant Gratification is all you need.
Another fucking post about nothing but bitching earns more than my entire week of work.
All I wanted to do was entertain. So I did just that. Did it well. Far better than many. Didn't buy a damn vote. I'm happy with the results.
Pardon my honesty
I'm just sick of this shit.
Congratulations!
Free Votes For Sale Here! Get Your Free Votes! For a Limited Time Only I Have Free Votes For Sale!
The bot stuff is evil!
Exactly as you said - true content doesn't get any chance of spotlight in these circumstances which is increddibly frustrating as both the site and the community keep stressing original quality content, especially to newcomers like me, but a lot of what I see is everything but that.
I approve this message.
Us smaller legit people get drowned in all the spam and I too have been wondering whether or not I truly wish to invest my time and effort into this site.
The future is uncertain.
I will continue for now, hoping things get better, but I already feel quite demotivated as the post I put the most work in (a long-ass essay) got the least payoff since it barely got any views at all. And I despise the thought of trading or otherwise trafficking upvotes - it feels empty and dissappointing.
Who is in charge anyway?
isn't there some goddamn administration to this website that could take care of this bot cancer? If not purge it entirely, at least circumsize the shit out of it?
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We are all in charge. Decentralized means self policing.
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So whats the solution? Why would anyone spend time working hard here for peanuts when whales or whatever are up voting and funneling money to themselves? If people are just after market trading gains, let them buy steem on an exchange. They should not be able to basically bribe upvotes and steem from whales which are supposed to be earned rewards, not paid shares. If they want to invest, they should do it in there market, not gobbling up hard work earnings. I'm not even 2 weeks in and now I understand why I was told to avoid this platform and not waste my time. I'm going stick around for at least a little while because FB is soul draining, there actually IS good content and community here, and I need a work from home prospect even if it only nets me 10-15 bucks a month. Even posting everyday that STILL seems like an unlikely amount with all this drama. Additionally, this internal economic power struggle will hurt the market value dissuading small investors, dropping price, so even more whales can swoop in to manipulate the crypto currency. Decentralized didn't work for the dollar, doesn't appear to be working here.
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Most of us have very little practice living in a free society. This was an experiment.
Still is.
I am enjoying watching it play out. There are also a lot of people who are earning more than they would earn on Facebook.
I guess it depends on perspective.
However, I admit, I can not imagine putting big money in the system to be distributed by our current whales. No thank you.
We will see if we get better at this.
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It's the human condition - it would work if we mercilessly weeded out the psychopaths, but hey - that would be fascist wouldn't it ? So we end up with fascist systems for EVERYBODY instead, or call them centralized. Some may be milder or more "socialist" (egalitarian) than others, but that doesn't really make a difference. Humans are bad social animals who need rules and strong laws. The West is right now disintegrating because its laws are weak, so they will be replaced with Sharia.
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The west would be replaced with sharia?
Yes, I do agree with the fact that human beings can be vile sometimes and lawlessness increases this. Here is the thing though, too much harsh or unnecessary laws end up enforcing negative reinforcement which will lead to the same result. There as to be a balance. The whole point of steemit is to bring fought positive reinforcement, make good content and be active to reap the benefit. Some people took advantage of this and have to be stopped by us finding democratic paths like contacting the other 'whales' and asking them to step up. Most of the people at the top helped create or grow this app and do not want to see it fail
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@jojof Well mate stop worrying about sharia. Ain't nobody going to impose sharia on you. It is just your fear of sharia that is helping fascists exploit you. Lets make this world a better place by respecting each other.
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@themobilewriter .... did you even read that comment? They are saying Sharia is going to replace western laws. @jojof cause (sarcasm) religion is so peaceful and everything right?
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I'm not trying to be xenophobic or anything but ... sharia isn't the solution for anything
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Wow, first of sharia is a rule of law for muslims and is not what fox news say. Sharia law does not mean kill and rape or whatever you have been brainwashed to think it is. So what you meant to say is islamophobia notxenophobia. Xenophobia is the hatred or fear of people from other countries. Also the video you showed is just videos of some stupid individuals going on a rampagne. You can't be sure they are muslim and even if they are that does not mean its sharia or that's how all muslims act. I could post a picture of a white man shooting up a school and say this is why we don't need white men but that would be ignorant and wrong. Not all white men are school shooters, not all black people are gang members, not all mexicans are drug dealers, and not all muslims are terrorists. Please be informed before you speak.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"- Abraham Lincoln
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Yeah, I don't watch fox news, or any MSM. Thanks though.
Many of the people in that video are wearing the Algerian flag, most likely they are Muslim. You can hear people yell 'Allah' throughout the video. I just posted this to illustrate that religion(s law) is not the solution for anything. I guess I did mean to say Islamophobic and not xenophobic but thats beside the point.
Obviously I know that this isn't how all Muslims act. I have Muslim friends thanks. Neither did I say anything about the other groups you mentioned. However to say "The West is right now disintegrating because its laws are weak, so they will be replaced with Sharia" like @jojof stated is a little bit presumptuous and offensive and I have to take up issue with that.
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But that is the thing, people causing chaos is not sharia. Please do your research of what sharia is and also the west is not being replaced by sharia, it has being drenched in Christianity too much for that to happen. 60% of American would vote for a muslim president compared to 93% voting for a catholic president. Even if we were to have a muslim president, there is sometime called laws and politians, and there are judiatiary processes that would stop something like that from happening. But please do some research on sharia, some nonbias research. I know there are some assholes that are committing horrendous acts and trying to use religion, I understand. Those people make me sick too, but please let's not use them to justify ignorance and bigotry. Love and peace to everyone
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Workers have always been exploited. I don't know of any system that hasn't done this. When we go to 'work', the employer underpays us for our talents so that he scims a profit. If the workers abandon him, he just sets up shop somewhere else. They'll ride the gravy train until the wheels fall off.
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Decentralization to the point of saying "here it is, do what you want with it", will eventually get people killed. There will always be people who think differently about things. We need someone "centralized" to use the system to say whether something is allowed or not. People can then talk about it all they want and come to whatever conclusions they want, but in the mean time, those that are literally getting rich by abusing the system will come to an end.
As it stands, anyone with a bunch of email addresses and some time can strip the reward pool for junk posts.
I am starting the think it is time to start powering down.
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People get killed in controlled economies as well.
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good luck getting new members when people learn members are being killed because someone didn't like their post for any one of a few hundred reasons. yeah, I think with all these grown ups running the show it is time to power down and move on.
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Yes, you should probably do that.
Hint: In the last century, the anarchists you fear have killed a few hundred people, while the control freaks you say we need have killed a few hundred MILLION people.
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lol, you are the one imagining people killing each other. Not me.
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great follow me
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It is a dao.
That said, stinc holds the master keys.
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This is why Steemit will never truly be a viable platform. Human nature is just way too strong.
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NO. I'm proof the place works without all the bullshit. Right here. Maybe that pisses people off and makes them afraid to look. The place works fine. These humans got nothing on me.
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wtf is this fuckery
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I was planning on doing a post about this. Buying votes its like self calling you blogger of the year. To browse trending amd find content just like this contentjunkie's post, and to read the post and ask yourself "why does this has so many big votes"?
You check the voters and voilá, top 6 voters are bidbots.
This sickens me, sub par content getting 300+ in rewards and for what? A sub tier rant?
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"This sickens me, sub par content getting 300+"
Do you get sickened when you see an ad at the top of a Google result? I bet not. Your envy is what sickens you. You can purchase votes too if you wish to promote an article. Don't let envy make you twisted and bitter.
"Buying votes its like self calling you blogger of the year."
No, it's not like that at all. It's exactly like advertising, you know paying for exposure.
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Yes!!! You are a commercial on television. I just hit fast forward. It's a dying business model.
Those minnows buying votes aren't getting exposure! It's a scam! You're simply regurgitating their narrative as if you're the PR manager.
9 out of 10 doctors prefer Camels brand cigarettes!
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I read your comments here and I like how you think, seems like we are on the same boat. Started following just for the sake of reading your content. Happy new year.
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I'd much rather be busy working on my own things today. After watching these people battle it out for so long about who's version of doing things the wrong way is the best way to do things the wrong way, I guess I had had enough.
Happy new year to you as well.
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Well this is definitely a good thing to come out of it, Eric is awesome:)
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Aw, two of my top favorite people on steemit meeting for the first time, makes the bad stuff going on not matter so much.
(My first day really back :)
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Do you really want this place to be pay to play? Steem has so much potential and this type of thinking is what is preventing it from being actualized. I'm a bit of an idealist really. Something romantic about a platform where, in theory, everybody has an equal voice and authors are rewarded on the basis of QUALITY! If you create quality, you will be rewarded. Sounds good in theory but where did we go wrong?
I, for one, have said it once and said it again that I have ABSOLUTELY no scruple with a 0 SP user making a hundred dollar reward if they produced something exceptional.
But the problem here is you have a slew of scammers that are getting rewarded through employing "advertising" services for nothing exceptional. It's a damn shame but it is quite reassuring to see more people that think like I do being more vocal about this issue.
What if you could pay a "service" to give likes to your Facebook post? Perhaps, there is and I wonder how you would feel about that. These tricks are used to confer to the material an artificial quality, perhaps a semblance of quality or popularity but, more often than not, it's just hype. We have reduced a potentially much more inspired blogging community to a sick sort of cash grab for those that whore themselves to (deceptive) marketing tools.
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In the process of creating something that will help through incentivization of good flags and have started a no self voted promotion service. These things may help but to effect significant change in the current design would require a change of heart from the top down.
But how does one convince the one that has the gold egg-laying chicken to give it up for the greater good and therein lies the problem. If one bid bot stops, they are going to go to another.
If the community were to get behind an antibidbot (one that targets posts stilted up on paid upvotes), then there may be hope yet. There are also a less drastic approach I am considering and that is we create a new Steem front end that specifically filters out self voted and bid botted posts. They can play in their own echo chamber. We don't have to play ball. We just need o collectively opt out of supporting them and I believe things will change.
@br0, I'll keep on keeping on. If we all work together, we can change this place for the better. I'll do what I can
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Don´t take it personally man, I´ve seen your content and it is good, but this post is highly overvalued. And not overvalued by organic votes (which then the community is the one deciding it adds value to the platform) but by bidbot votes.
Yeah, I get sickened by toutube adds not letting me watch a video, i get sickened by google shoving up my face a plane ticket to a place I googled, I get sickened by Facebook telling me to like something based on my conversation key words. So yeah, I get sickened by paid content on steemit, which is supposed to be free of all the centralized agenda from mayor websites.
I don´t feel envious, this comment as I said is not personal, If i wanted I could use bidbots on every post of mine and get them not to 300 but to 600, but i dont do it because if the community is not ovoting them high enough, perhaps it does not deserve to be up there, dont you think?
I know you don´t use them a lot (bidbots) and I´m actually not against using once in a while on e of them to give some visibility to the content or the message you are trying to get through, but to use 6 of them and get it to 300? Damn, you could use one and get it to 80 and this comment wouldn´t even be here.
If you want to advertise or pay for exposure, that is why the "promoted" tab is there, to pay for exposure. Bidbots (for good or bad, I´m not the one to tell) are just a way of rigging the system.
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Promoted doesnt work. Because you know< promoted content should be on the same feed like ordinary one, but Steemit Inc. never heard about it.
And so we have bidbots.
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The bidbots and purchased delegation are being used my many people to take advantage of the SBD bonanza at the moment. I am not saying it's happening in this case but I know of other people that are doing this.
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It's a slap in the face to all of us who worked hard to get to the level we're at. We were all competing honestly at one point. It wasn't perfect, but majority of us sure tried our best.
This vote buying nonsense is bringing my property value down. Think about it. Look how much I had to work to get what I have. Now, are they trying to tell me it means nothing? Sure looks like it.
Pathetic at best.
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Have a look at minds.com, they're issuing a crypto token soon... now this is a classic social network, and there's moderators. It drew lots of people from facebook because it lacks political censorship (if you don't want to read Nazi or Commie posts, just switch off "open content", if you don't want porn switch off "explicit" - you get 50 points an hour just for being there, and you can use them to boost your posts. You can also buy these points - there's quite a few artists on the network and there's other users who will send you points whenever they appreciate your posts.
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I'm loyal to this place. I came here to help build it. I stay here so people can see how the place can work as intended. It was working great for many people until these middlemen walked in. We don't need them. As soon as people wake up and realize the potential of this place when it's functioning as it was designed, not even the sky is the limit.
Now I realize I sound like an idiot. Idiots also said the car would replace the horse. Idiots said the internet is NOT just a fad. Idiots said everyone would do their shopping online. They were always idiots, until everyone realized the potential.
Something like that.
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I have almost 90k followers on Google and I've done "social" since five years now... so this is not exactly the first platform I'm looking at. It didn't feel right from the first day, and I'm not even talking about the people you have in mind - I didn't realize they even existed. No, my impression was just one of empty shelves with dreary designs, and without any atmosphere. It does not compare well, it's clutzily made and lacking the intricacies and qualities other networks possess.
The only attraction of steemit is in fact the monetary gains system, the network is as such a glove that fits the steem coin and gives it a semblance of meaning, which is not unclever from a marketing point of view. On the other hand, it will of course attract a certain kind of people - to put it bluntly, the sort who hope to financially gain from it. Is that hard to understand or in any way surprising ? It is obviously exactly what the originators wanted it to be, as much as the human condition must have been the will of an omnipotent creator ;)
If you think you belong here, then that is obviously the case.
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Sure, maybe to you, and other people who have "done 'social' since five years" the only draw to steemit is the money, and there is a reason why people like that burn out here, because it is all about the money. But for the REAL users this platform is great. I can find content creators, support their efforts, have an actual dialog with them, curate through their comments to make the best rise to the top (good luck with that on youtube or facebook), etc. I have yet to see a single social platform that gives that much control to not just the runners of the community, but to the members as well.
Not only that, but if any group of people wish to share whatever opinions they have, it is not censor-able in any way (aside from filtering and flagging but that is beside the point). I am hard pressed to find cons aside from all the spam comments that never get up-voted anyway with their "I vote u vote me resteem follow". but have you seen the spam on youtube or others?
Spam be spamming since before spam was spam.
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I only came here for some special content and so I had a prolonged but entirely unambitioned look, for the reasons I listed. You see, I earn my money indirectly, from assuring that certain things and people get placed well on search engines.
I see steemit much in the same category as youtube, which I also sometimes visit for special content. I had a look at facebook in 2012 but decided against joining it - Google is handling spam very nicely, there's no trouble at all and marketing still works if you know what you're doing... regarding youtube, many creators have recently left it because it had started to censor politically and/or demonetize ad-unfriendly content (a very flexible term that also excludes some art). These people have all flooded into other networks, mostly minds.
It's unsurprising that you find no flaws when you really don't seem to have all that much to compare.
Sorry for insulting your home turf - some people feel comfortable on a construction site - I'm not envious, that's all.
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Okay, I was offering you an out to better elaborate how minds allows so much more community control (especially when they seem to have a scatalogical disorder on their newsfeed for most newbies) But I suppose you would rather assume you hurt an entrenched "steemer" (forgive the pun).
You haven't spent much time in youtube comments if you think google does a good job at eliminating spammy comments or curating the best to the top, go sift through some comments on a trending video, it swings all over the place with the majority adding no value to the topic at hand.
I wish you no ill will and hope you have a great 2018 wherever you choose to spend it, I hope you can "keep done your social for year"!
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Search engines?
Google my name.
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I have never heard of minds.com. I'm going to go check it out right now. Thank you jojof!
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If you are familiar with fb you may find a video useful I recently made, comparing minds.com's mechanisms with those of the big terrible facebook we all once loved.
https://steemit.com/facebook/@paradigmprospect/why-minds-com-is-what-facebook-promised-to-be-or-a-brief-video-introduction
Minds and Steemit in my view serve two different purposes, I feel they complement each other instead of replacing each other.
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Ok I'll check out your video.. Thanks :-)
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Really good to see someone else fighting the good fight. You keep it up now. I've opted out of bid bots and self-voting for some time but it really ticks me off to see others just zipping past me using their "tools". It's quite disheartening but I know people like us aren't going to stop anytime soon. We need a real witness. One that runs on the platform of not making self-voting easy and one that vows to fight this bid-buying bullshit. They'd have my vote in a second.
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"Think about it. Look how much I had to work to get what I have."
LOL and yet yesterday you tried to chastise me for pointing out how you were taking it personally. Looks like I was right. Thanks for proving that point.
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Is there something wrong with taking this personally?
You come here here to point out scammers. You use a scam to point out the scammers. Meanwhile, you've been scamming the entire time.
I personally don't like scammers.
So what. Deal with it.
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You do realize what it takes to get me to upvote a post with more than 2sbd payouts, dont ya?
Ganging up to rape the reward pool is bad, no matter how pretty the packaging, or the context.
Thanks for being in the struggle to rid steem, and the world, of those folks willing to do so.
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All that money... straight to the middleman hustlers. Watching history repeat itself.
I hate reruns!
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Yes, I upvoted that. I thought my message was more important than the spam below. Especially the comment CONGRATULATING you, @contentjunkie, for having one of the highest paid posts in the past 12 hours.
*Edit: I've since removed my vote because apparently it doesn't need to be there anymore.
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You sound very angry and out of touch.
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Anger: A natural human emotion. As natural as happiness and sadness. I am not ashamed of being angry.
Out of touch: You, wanted to be a hero. Since you're not a natural hero, you bought your hero name tag and pinned it on your shirt.
Maybe you'll come at me with the age old argument: "Look how much money I spent. I won't be earning those rewards you see there on this post."
Right, you're working on the backs of everyone else. You, made a decision to take that much money away from the rewards pool because you thought you were important enough. Meanwhile, if you'd take your blinders off, you'd realize you robbed every single minnow here. You're contributing to the 1% club, robbing from the poor to give to the rich.
Out of touch: My ass.
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You. You I like quite a bit. You're fucking angry and show it.
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Why should I hide my humanity?
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You should re-write that as "Why did I try to hide my humanity?"
Well, you tried to hide it earlier because you were embarrassed by it. Then you seemed to rationalize it as righteous and so now you are embracing it.
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Meanwhile, back in reality land. Who gives a fuck.
You damn right. Scammers make me angry.
Watching you do nothing but act like a troll is comedy to me though. I also laugh when I'm happy. You're making me happy too.
So now what?
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"Who gives a fuck."
You do. Obviously you give too many fucks.
You're doing again now. Trying to hide to hide a part of your humanity that you are embarrassed by.
If you stay true to form you will now follow this up with another comment embracing it.
Flip-flop
Flip-flop
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Don't patronize me.
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The voice in your head, when you read my words, sounds angry and out of touch. It has nothing to do with me.
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"It has nothing to do with me."
It has everything to do with you and the words you wrote.
"Fucking frauds... Fuck this Shit... Another fucking post... I'm just sick of this shit."
That's anger plain and simple. If you weren't trying to portray anger and frustration then you failed horribly as a writer.
"I can't simply buy a "Worlds Greatest Artist" trophy, place it on the stand, then call myself an artist."
That shows how out of touch you are. You have a strange view that people are giving themselves trophies and celebrating themselves as the world's greatest artist for making the front page.
You are projecting your own weird delusions of grandeur on to others. It seems more likely you are the one giving yourself a trophy or thinking of yourself as the world's greatest artist for having made the front page in the past.
Now you see others buying their way there and it erodes your fantasy and the sense of self worth you've constructed around it.
Quit being so bitter and just pay a little to promote your own posts. You would expand your audience and increase your earnings in no time. It's an investment in your profile that can have a positive ROI within a week.
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Make it all about me. Go ahead.
Come to your conclusions. Tell me who I am, what I stand for, all of that. You're the expert.
Just play it all off like I'm just some pathetic chump whining about rewards.
You're reading from a script. Saying all the same shit you folks say when you feel the need to defend yourself. Twisting things, taking things out of context, pointing out my flaws.
I'm not going to go back and repeat myself using the princess words you'd prefer to hear when people speak to you, your highness.
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Thanks. I enjoy humor.
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This just keeps getting better.
Now I find out you're a copy/paste scammer. I hope you're not buying votes to reward yourself for that bullshit.
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So you're going to act like a child about this?
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LOL says the man-child throwing a tantrum.
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How did I know you'd resort to name calling :)
This is the third and final time I'm saying this. Stop speaking to me.
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Hypocrite much?
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wow..... that real funny
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I spotted you again!
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Ha! Thanks. I needed that laugh. Now I'll be taking flak for defending EVERYONE! Just watch....
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let me put back my glasses, so I can see better.
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I agree people need to put in the work and not get piss bent when they cannot short cut the system through vote buying and promote shit that no one needs to see anyway. I see a ton of those bullshit posts that are nothing but stolen youtube videos using these types of services to clog up the "videos" tag.. Fuck em.. they do no good and all they do is push down content from authors that may of actually put in some work to create an original video.
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Make shit posting great again!
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Really? I am not understanding again... #confused
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I feel the same way. There needs to be a kind of bot-fighter against such suspicious activities like the hero of the post did. I also focus on quality and feel a bit cheated.
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This platform blows.
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Good Work Follow x Follow please <3
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YESSSS!! I noticed even some of the witnesses have been corrupted! BernieSnaders, Randowhale, Grumpycat seem to be all part of the SAME GROUP(not naming the witness right now, but he knows I am watching him-hint:mark(y)mark) And possibly even the poster above, who can tell anymore?? (I say this because of the terminology "raping the reward pool" that they all use, most normal people dont use this language, lol- but who is normal anymore- If I hang out here long enough I might start saying that, who knows?) Anyway, It is all about creating descension, arguments, and confusion, meanwhile they rake in rewards on both sides of the argument. The best bloggers with the highest ratings are downvoted to invisibility by this posse(all the while upvoting themselves into trending with the bots), with the rape language used to get people all emotional. Then the same people (with alternate, good personality accounts) will accuse the worst offenders of rape, gaining upvotes all over again! I am not saying that the above poster did this, but I am saying that it happens on this platform rampantly.
Nonames, as an artist, I know there are other notable platforms coming out in which you can earn a living doing art...Hopefully they will address the bot/reward pool manipulation problem better than steem is...
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Thanks for the grin. I guess SP corrupts, and too much SP corrupts too much.. or something.
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Nope. Those people are born that way.
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I have no idea wtf is going on lmao
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A million times yes.
Its so bizarre that anyone supports vote buying or bots. Its all so obviously wrong. Don't people have any honour. Just because something makes money doesn't make it alright.
I am here to make the best content I can support interesting posts. If they are popular that's great. If a few people read it and enjoy it that's great too. I don't want to make money by using bots or buying votes or any other scams. Money is not as important as integrity.
There must be some way to stop all of this. This site is beta.
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But your ad about your votes for sale is not shit huh?
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Maybe go read the thing, then talk.
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It was meant as satire
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good
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I would like to point out you CAN actually go buy trophies that say world's greatest artist. Not that it would mean much to the world on a grander scale.
That joke aside I believe you are right and it was something that was an issue on twitch a few years ago with view bots. But if we are decentralized then there is little that can be done at this moment. The blockchain doesn't have an anti-fraud purpose and it would have to be monitored for outside of the blockchain itself since the voting can be purchased with any other currency. I would argue that some values could be changed. Something like reputation taking more effect but then that could be manipulated as well if not implemented carefully.
It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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