I have been doing some planning and I see my previous post on this topic post did good indicating there is some support for this but not nearly enough especially of my posts of the models I want to bring on here. One at less than $10.00 and one around $3.00 currently. You don't seriously expect me to show that to these girls do you and try to get them to come on board?
I have been doing some brainstorming on how I'm going to pitch and sell this idea to these women. And the ones starting out or with out much of a following and the ones that really want to work with me because the like my work are my best shot.
But the one's with the larger following or a name are a different ball game all together.
I'm writing this after sitting down planning out who I want to contact first and seeing how crappy my recent post has done of a model I want to contact who is a person of influence in the Glamour/Nude modeling industry.
So I'm going to add that if I can't show these models my posts doing really well and that they can too especially if it's pictures of them that I have posted... They will not come on board.
These girls make money they get Several hundred to a couple thousand per shoot, their following gives them gifts, and many have sugar daddies.
Many of the The Adult/Porn Actress are Escorts/Call Girls on the side and make $1000-$2000 for that. None of them with any kind of following are going to sign up if they are seeing $5-$15 on posts because it not worth their time.
They are not going to be willing to grind it out making little to no money in hopes that steem is going to make them rich a few years from now. That is NOT their mentality. They don't do what they do because they want to work hard and add to that everyone on here that posts adult content it attacked and flagged constantly by the Puritan Crowd.
We have what 5000-6000 active users, with how many being Anti-Adult Content?
These models/actresses have nothing to gain here if there is no money in it. Seemit needs them they do NOT need Steemit.
And before someone that has no idea what they hell they are talking about says "But they post on IG, FB and twitter for free" They post of FB and IG because they get gigs, paid cam shows, more fans, and paid to post many times especially girls with large followings and the jobs that book them require them to post on their social media. Companies now ask the size of a model/actresses Instagram even in the mainstreem word. No one asks about Steemit.
It's the the same reason I post on those sites, because I get paid bookings/clients for doing so and TF models for my Art Projects.
One booking is more than I have made here so far for a fraction of the time I have spent on here and I have made liquid about $800 on Steemit. Steemit is not quick to use like IG and FB or Twitter. You have to upload images to a third party, prepare them, copy links, promote in chat rooms several times a day, network, etc... And then deal with random flagging/hating assholes.
So this is up to you. I'll do my part but without the support of the whales of my posts and work so I can recruit this is pointless and a waste of my and the girls time.
Why would they bring their thousands of followers here for what as those people have no voting power. Which is the major flaw in the way Steemit works. They can get those guys to buy cam shows from them directly or sell them videos and picture sets and some send them gifts for no reason at all other than they just ask. So if there is no money here you will not get girls with large followings.
You have to understand when I approach a model my reputation is at stake, I don't want to be known as they guy that wasted their time, that's detrimental to me and my career and future projects and I will not do that. After seriously thinking about this Money and Success are my primary motivators not getting back the Puritans.
I will approach the smaller models starting out and those that are working with me but I'm not going after girls with big followings if I have nothing to show them as it will make me look like a fool.
So far two times I have really tried do something to promote Steemit and I have not gotten the support I needed there will not be a third. The first was the crowd funding for my Sexy Santa Shoot that I was going post all over my other Social Media and then post the exclusive pictures on Steemit to get people to come here and it did not get even the lowest funding level.
Now I'm wanting to bring the Adult Industry on here to help community grow and yes it started out as me wanting to retaliate at the Puritan sect but after @pfunk talked to me I saw it was good for Steemit and decided to run with it but during planning and planning my sales approach I realized I have nothing to show them of any value that would be motivating to them currently and that is a problem for the girls that make money.
Also bring more people creating NSFW/Adult content also creates more competition for me as the more people putting out similar NSFW content on here the more those votes get spread around and the new people it brings on have no voting power.
But I'm willing to do it if I'm supported well and is a win/win/win situation... I win, the girls win and Steemit wins. I'm not willing to just waste my time if there is low to no ROI on my investment of time and energy in hopes that Steem and Steemit will be big someday. I'm also not willing to bring people on that will get support while I don't as I'm not getting commission, over-rides or a stake in the company, I only get what my post generate.
I have goals for 2017 and I'm not wasting my time and energy working for free or hopes for the future. I have several things I have to work on and the one with the money will get the priority and my attention.
If you want me to be the Evangelist and Mentor to the Adult community make it happen. If not. in that case... I'll just keep posting like I have and bring on the girls I'm working with that are interested until I get busy with my other projects.
So that's where this is at. I'm over all of the trying to convince people and asking for support. I will not make third effort if this is not supported fully by the top whale crowd. I'm off to bed at 6:34 Am.
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People should only come on here if they understand how the economics work.
The total reward fund right now is only several thousand dollars due to the Steem price.
The whole point of coming on early is to build up a following and earn Steem that may be worth a lot more in the future. Promising people huge rewards right now is only likely to lead to disappointment.
People who mined bitcoin in 2010 did it even though it was basically worthless at the time - they were speculating that it would be worth a lot more in the future.
These kind of posts come across as being extremely ungrateful and to be frank they are not productive.
If you really believe in Steem/Steemit you should be promoting it anyway. You have been here for several weeks and expect to be at the top of the trending page already.
Sorry but life doesn't work that way.
I have been a big supporter of your work because it is fantastic, however, I will not support anyone that I feel does not have the best interests of the community at heart.
Steemit is not yet at the level where it can support multiple people as a sole revenue stream.
I'm not a whale but I suspect that they would tell you the same.
You should think of using Steemit like a future investment - like mining or buying bitcoin in 2009 or 2010.
Making these kinds of posts will not endear you to the community. If anything it will likely turn them against you.
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I had my own taste of this when I was expecting Steemit to be on the same level of Medium. It didn't happen, and people got mad at me for expressing my honest criticisms and expectations. However, I have made some mental adjustments, took a chill pill, became grateful for Dan's technology and giving me my own bank account without ever asking me to do anything in return. It's not an easy thing to go from several hundred dollar posts down to $3 ones, as is the case with many of us early adopters (although not all), but with Steemit there are no guarantees. Actually the more you expect, I think the fewer rewards you will receive. The less you expect, and the more you act on behalf of others, sometimes the more you will receive, but not always.
It's a crapshoot and we are all guinea pigs.
The sooner you realize you're a guinea pig the better off you'll be. If experimentation and getting along with others isn't your game, this probably won't be a fun game for you.
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Exactly:) Nobody is owed anything by Steemit.
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true! The bright shining stars are noticed as long as they shine for a looooooonnngggg time. Look at @papa-pepper for that example. He's got 10,000 posts and he's never complained! He's ecstatic. That's who succeeds here...
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Yes :) If you do good work and help the community you will build up a following and you will succeed. The thing to understand is that helping Steemit/Steem helps us all.
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Yeah he really is, sometimes I am still blown away with how much he creates everywhere. Sometimes I think he doesn't sleep!
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I didn't sleep for the first 3 months I was on Steemit......well i did in 4 hour spans....
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This is it ^^ . People think that SteemIt owes them something. SteemIt does NOT owe ANYONE anything!
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Exactly mate:)
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Lol Weird Al always get's my vote!
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I sent a shoe sole once to Weird Al. I love him.
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Me too. I'm not gay but for Weird Al I might make an exception - he is a genius of parody!
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His brilliance is only matched by his absurdity.
I was ready to marry him.....ha ha ha ha ha!
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I think "Smells like Nirvana" is my favourite!
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ah, for the hell of it, here we go:
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Pure genius! I forgot the "marbles in my mouth" bit!
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:) Now I see why you've got way more posts than me! You have more stamina!
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YES :)
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:)
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Wow, very nicely said with a touch self-introspection added to it. Happy I stayed a follower to you even after possibly judging you to much from the times that you speak of! Cheers!
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Totally agreed. I support @nspart bringing other communities to steemit, however it's an attention economy; new posters need to build their traction by genuinely interacting with the community. Posts with hostile tone like O.P.'s are a great way to lose attention. It's fine to be a critic but don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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They don't feed you. They feed themselves
https://steemit.com/scam/@the.masses/if-some-whales-could-just-upvote-themselves-all-day-and-get-away-with-it-would-they
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Exactly, this is more than just being a critic. This is biting the hand that feeds you and then threatening to leave if your not fed even more. The food will be saved for later, others will eat it!
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Without taking a stance on the original post...
Yes, that's absolutely how you build a huge userbase.
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It might take balls and some degree of mental effort to do that.
Yes you take things out of context and then make a flippant response with a meme. Such genius. In the early stages of a platform it is only common sense to learn everything you can about what you are investing in but I suspect you are just trolling.
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LOL. So you're a small minded judgemental asshole, got it. Sorry, no... I'm just ambivalent on the subject. I can see lots of pros and cons to bringing porn stars to Steemit.
"Out of context. " The last refuge of the guy who said something idiotic.
Nice touch going straight to the troll argument though, it really proves your inability to think.
Have fun, we're done here.
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Lol you're right you are too pathetic to even qualify for troll level.
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Then it's not worth my time to go out of my way. So I have my answer. With the same energy put in recruiting, mentoring (all of which does not benefit me unless I'm making bank on posts) and posting here hoping things take off I can build profitable recurring income stream in business in less than a year if I really work at it. I have done it before.
And on here you only get paid for two pay periods. If I or the girls create and sell photosets on other sites that become's perpetual recurring income.
So that's it I'll just do as I have been doing. And use this as another way to monitize my content and also suggest that to the models I bring on rather than pitch Steemit as the next best thing to sliced bread.
Sorry but I have to think of what's best for me this year and where I'll get the most return on time invested. Mining bitcoin was automated so it's not a good comparison time wise. If I want to cash in on Steem it's better to for me to put my time where I will get the most money returned and then just buy some Steem at .15 not work for $.25 an hour.
As far as people turning against me for offering to do this and put the time, energy into to it and point out the issues I see and ask for support in turn. If that turns people against me and they don't like or support my work I'll just stop posting altogether.
Have a nice weekend everyone.
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Nobody is going to be annoyed at you for doing that. Maybe further down the line the situation will be different but it is virtually impossible for a photographer in particular to get by on Steemit alone.
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man. just keep posting the naked chicks and get whatever rewards you can get, and never complain, that's how you can WIN with steemit, if some of your posts don't earn good money, then oh well whatever, it's just copy paste using your finger tips to earn money with content you already have.
this link will put it all in perspective for you @ http://steempunks.com/dashboard
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By never complaining?!! You've been groomed!
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and tucked in with bedtime stories
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Exactly! how much time can that actually waste, not much at all IMO?
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I completely agree, or at the very least, be willing to admit they don't fully understand the system yet.
Exactly, this isn't some sort of business transaction here. Other just bring people to the platform, they don't make excuses why they can't!
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Yes exactly:)
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In the beginning I knew nothing about the economics and received very little support but just kept on persisting and learning until I figured it out! It took some time but no I feel like I have a decent amount of knowledge!
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Yes I think most people are the same! When you don't know how it works it can be disappointing. That was why I have been trying to make guides like on steemithelp to make it easier for new users to understand.
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Yeah, that is good of you; It really does help! For the first month I hardly posted at all becuse I was confused about how everything worked. Then I was confused when one of my only comments was this "steemcleaners" that I felt was attacking me. then I stopped posting as much for the rest of the month.
When I tried again I go lucky and made a post that connected with people. Then Luckily, other users encouraged me and I continued more. Then finally reached the place were I am at now.
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Meh, if I wanted porn with bitching I would get married.
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you should do stand up comedy :)
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this was so fucking funny! Damn, where's @tuck-fheman to make your comment into a new comic.
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LOL, while I support @nspart, I gotta admit that was funny!
but don't you lose the porn part once you get married?
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In my experience, the first three years is porn, the second three years is porn with bitching, and the last three years is mostly bitching. With a big horrible extraction of time, material goods, and money at the end. Then you marry someone else.
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LOL
Was it Heinlein that set up the scifi story in which marriages were 3 year contracts?
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Pretty sure it was. "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" might have been his earliest use of it. But that's just how it worked out for me. Five marriages in, I'm pretty much an expert.
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you've been married 5 times?????? Hilarious! I never bothered with it since I tend to get tired of men after 9 months! When the thrill is gone, I tend to vanish. I'm a perpetual teen in my mind...
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I like marriage, I believe it keeps women who want to get married happy for a little while longer.
I stayed married for a long time when my son was born (almost 18 years) but my average is much lower than that. I am not an easy man to live with, and I choose strong willed women. The clashes are passionate! Great fun in retrospect, hard to survive at the time.
I usually grew to find my spouses and partners more interesting as I went along, but also more annoying. I would marry 3 of the 5 again, if I were assured it would only be for the first part.
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That's what the internet is for!
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lol but if you're already paying for the wife, the fun stuff needs to be a mandatory inclusion ;>
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Hilarious 😊
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You win.
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Wow, this is like that . Show a little nudity complain ever three days!
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I support your work, and appreciate that you are trying to grow the platform, but this post is a big mistake (IMO).
I do hope that you understand there is a fixed reward pool on Steemit. What that means is that if your post is upvoted to $200 - that is $200 that everyone else on Steemit did not get that day, because it went to you. I am not saying that your posts don't deserve to earn a lot - but when you write something like this, you are essentially telling the community that you think what you are doing is more important than everyone elses content. You "deserve" rewards more than everyone else. Even though I believe your intentions are good, your post comes across as very selfish.
If the expectation of your models is that they are all going to be earning hundreds of dollars per post, then there is going to be a big problem of expectations vs. reality. Right now, the rewards pool can only afford to pay out a few hundred dollar posts per day. If you bring 20 people here and they all have that expectation - there is already not enough rewards to go around, even assuming your models get all of the rewards on Steemit - and nobody else gets practically any. The price of STEEM is just not high enough right now for tons of people to be making hundreds of dollars a day.
Really the right attitude to have is that everyone comes here to post what they think has value. The community votes and decides on what they like. If you are doing things that add value to the platform, and the community agrees and upvotes your posts - then you will make money. There are no guarantees though. Every one of us spends huge amounts of time and effort creating our posts, knowing very well that the hours of work we put in may result in a post that pays less than a penny.
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Well said, Very nice of you to explain how the steemit economy works!
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Thanks :)
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Your welcome, was good of you to do!
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from reading the comments, I'm delighted to know that pimp style mental manipulation does not work on the steemit community.. YAY!
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haha, omg your completely right this is exactly pimp talk! I stop sending you customers your way unless you give me a bigger cut!
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for fuck's sake, me too! I think I'm the only woman even commenting here on this thread! It's stuff like this that makes me want to become Amish for real!
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Now we are two girls commenting here, @stellabelle! :-))
It was a too crazy post, I couldn´t resist.
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lol this post is WAY TOO FUNNY
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This shtick has gotten old. If you're not grateful for the support you've received so far - which is much greater than most users on the platform - then I see no reason why you should continue receiving it.
As I stated before - this is not a job and it's not a get-rich-quick scheme. If that's how you're treating this, then you're going to continue to be disappointed.
I've had enough. You've lost my support.
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If you think me making and offer to do something to help the community that will take a lot my time and energy and then point out the objection I will face and asking for the support to make it happen and be compensated at the same time for my efforts is a problem then I don't want your support.
My mistake was not just being a normal user and keep to just posting and trying to really help Steemit. Don't worry it's off the table. I'll just be a regular user and post if it's worth my time. If not I won't.
And I have repeatedly thanked people for thier support and even named people that have helped and mentored me.
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The problem is your constant whining and threatening to leave because every post you make doesn't rise to the top of the trending page. If you didn't make a post like this every other day, then you'd probably have more support.
Leave. Stay. Who cares? You're assigning too much importance to yourself. It's not like nude images are hard to come by on the internet. You should be grateful that you're able to post your content for any money at all. Instead, you decide to act as though your content is revolutionary and deserving of all of the available rewards every day. Newsflash: It isn't. If that ruffles your feathers, you can always go post on Facebook or Twitter, or anywhere else that doesn't pay you.
In any case, constantly whining and being arrogant doesn't attract users...and certainly won't get you the whale votes that you're seeking. Manage your expectations, drop the attitude, and just post the things that you'd like to share. All of this other nonsense is only hurting your reputation and will accomplish the exact opposite of what you want.
If this place isn't worth your time, then you're free to find other alternatives. Nobody is forcing you to stay here.
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I'm not lucky, I'm a business man and my content has value. ROI is key to if I stay go in any situation having to do with money vs. time. And stating what needed to be done to make whagt I was proposing happen and what is required is not whining.
I never asked for all of the rewards pool. And if the rewards pool is as small as you say that's disturbing.
Anyway I'm tired of talking about this. Your entire comment is nothing but insulting and you already said you won't support me anymore so let's just drop it.
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Your comments still shows a lack of understanding of steem economics. Please learn more from the other post around you. This is more like a free investment than a job. The reward pool is small because there is a larger user base right now and things are being distributed more or less equally. You are actually getting one of the larger pieces of the reward pool; If that is not enough for you then you are welcome to leave.
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while I like your efforts trying to bring new people and users to steemit the way you are asking for it sound a bit off.
at the moment steemit is not a way to make quick cash, so you should just get new comers to steemit, as the top earning people won't come here yet.
the whales owe you nothing. so stop asking for their support. if your cause is great enough, people will help you, but there is hundreds of users who are helping steemit more than you did in your short steemit life, so get in line earn more respect the support of the whales will follow.
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Exactly, their are so many other users who have been here doing things way longer. Talk about what you are doing; Don't talk about what you can do then complain that you need more to do it!
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How funny. It is certainly a new sales pitch to me: My product is so good that if you don't all pile in I'll just fuck off.
5000 - 6000 active users. So what? Only a proportion of them will be interested in what you have to sell. I'm not, so frankly couldn't give a flying fuck if you are here or not.
Top marks for arrogance, though.
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Sorry to say, only 1,215 active users 30 day avg according to steempunks http://steempunks.com/dashboard
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see above....the Puritan crowd has spoken.
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I don't they say...lol They never supported me. The money I made on here didn't ever come from them. I could careless what people that don't support me say. I only listen to supporters.
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Did you see the "Weird Al" Yankovick videos? Maybe you could do something like that!
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Hi Nico,
we want to see unique content here. Maybe think about to use steem-branded underwear and give it your models for the shots. @felixxx made a design proposal some months ago.
https://steemit.com/doodle/@felixxx/more-steemit-design-doodles
Steem On!
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If someone wants to have it made and send it to me I'll shoot a model in it.
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I demand I get whale upvotes on ALL my posts as well !
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No. I'M Spartacus.
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"All your whales belong to us!"
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LOL
This should be in #humor
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TRUE :)
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Your comment goes into the 'ROAST' category.
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You should just buy a lot of steem and power it up. You could also encourage their followers to power up some steem in order to help their favorite model.
Become a whale and encourage others to as well and you can promote these girls to the top of trending if you want to.
The answer to your problem , like the answer to most of steem's problem is to quit complaining and just buy more steem so you have a say in things.
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I agree.
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True.
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haha yeah actually, that is a really good idea. but let not give to many ideas on how to dominate the system:p
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You must change your soundtrack "girls, girls, girls" to "boys don't cry"! (;
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omg, the roasting continues...
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ahahaha... to infinity! (;
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LOL - nice one! :-D
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Both @thecryptofiend and @timcliff make good points.
I understand the retaliation motive very well, and it appeals to me. But once it was made clrear to me that the reward pool is limited now, I decided to dig in for the long run.
True enough. I tried my hand at the adult entertainment biz some years ago (which is another reason I support you here), and MOST of the girls are like that.
I urge you to keep up the good fight here, and to selectively recruit girls that can understand the potential here. Good g*d, what a coup it would be for you and a boon to Steemit if you could bring a girl with mega-followers here!
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LOL - if there was a reward pool for arrogance, you´d make it to top of the the trending page, man! Do you seriously believe that your behavior will lead to anything but laughter? You should have learned from your past posts (and related comments), unless your intention is amusement.
When you started I really liked what you were doing, even followed you and upvoted some of your posts. You have great quality content to share here and could have easily proceeded in the same line, but your recent actions are simply over the top.
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Well said!
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I'm just offering to go out and be an Evangelist to the Adult community and I know what it will take to sell them on it, but I'm not doing for free. So that's off the table. I'll just go back to posting as long as it's worth my time.
It's not arrogance to know your ability, know your worth and know what you can bring to the table and want to be compensated for it and your time. My knowledge, connections and ability have value. I was trying to make a win/win/win situation for all involved. I now see that's not possible.
Btw the I'm not demanding or forcing anyone to do anything. I'm making an offer and stating what is required to make it happen. It's not been well received so I won't do it. Not a problem.
It's also not arrogance to know and state their objections ahead of time and ask for help to counter them. That's called being smart and being a good sales person. Maybe you didn't read my story about my past experience in online. I know what I'm talking about and will rarely speak if I don't.
So I'll go back to just posting and be a regular user.
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There is a difference between knowing that you are good at what you are doing and telling others that you are better than they are (and deserve the whole rewards pool).
We are all regular users (including wales), since we are all having the same rights and duties.
It´s never too late - there have been others before you who were almost leaving, then turned around and re-gained their respect. Your content is brilliant - try to put that in the focus of attention and not your ego :-) Steem on!
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People are not understand this. It's never been about my ego. I can leave or I can stay. It about what I was willing to do by going out and being an Evangelist and Recruiter in the adult industry, what I need to do that, and what I must show them to get them to sign up. And showing a model that her image made $3.00 is not going to cut it, in regards to getting her to sign up. I got called Arrogant by pointing out the Obvious that these girls don't need Steemit, Steemit needs them. When it's a logical fact.
Honestly this site has become too much hassle, to much debate and taking too much of my time, with not enough reward. So I'll go back to posting only and if my post do well enough to keep me interested great if not I won't. No big deal.
I'm really sorry I ever tried to do anything more than just post as I was doing.
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You have really caught my attention on Steemit over the past week @nsart.
I'm following you and want to see you succeed here.
I usually keep my comments very short, but am going longer here, because I think you could really bring something to Steemit. Your photo shoots are great, and I think you are right on the ball when you say adult content will bring in the traffic.
BUT...
If there is one thing I think you will need here it's patience.
Back in August last year when I first joined Steemit, there was a lady who posted a variation of an absolutely basic smoothie recipe every day, and made hundreds of $ for every one. Eventually it dawned on me that her husband was a whale, and it had nothing to do with her second rate content.
Now she has disappeared, but some of the people who were posting quality content back then are now the very influential people posting comments on this post. I have been following them since August and know how much work they have put in. For them to all be commenting on your post means you are already catching the attention of some of the most on to it people on Steemit, and that is a very good start.
I think you could own the NSFW section of Steemit, but it might take a few months - if you stick at it I really think it could work for you.
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That's a hell of a picture...lol And thanks for your support.
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This post has been ranked within the top 50 most undervalued posts in the second half of Jan 07. We estimate that this post is undervalued by $6.80 as compared to a scenario in which every voter had an equal say.
See the full rankings and details in The Daily Tribune: Jan 07 - Part II. You can also read about some of our methodology, data analysis and technical details in our initial post.
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Dude , why do you keep on complaining with your posts so much; You have received so much support! First you might leave, then your not going to leave. Then your going to bring a lot of people here, then you say you can't and that you need more! Stop making these ultimatums and going back on your word.
Even the "famous" people here are not doing that! They either bring people to the platform or they don't; that simple!
I don't think you really understand how well you've done for just joining. You've been here approximately 2 month and already have 67 rep with 5,000 SP; Not including the money you've transferred out of your account. That is better than so many other people on here, even some of the successful people who took more time to get where there at; It takes times for all that. You've skipped most of that waiting time and still are trying to get more.
I was hearing you out before and actually taking into full consideration your opinion and keeping a very open mind. But this shows your just in it for the money right now (which you have been receiving)! If posting here really wastes that much of your time just stop posting, power down what you have and just stay on the other network that supposedly can offer you so much more.
You clearly do not understand the economics here and what cryptocurrencies really have to offer. Glad so many other people have been nice enough to explain it to you. Start listening and hearing what other users are doing instead of just being in this thing all for yourself!
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I think the key answer is not pay attention to dollar value but steem value. It would be necessary to have cheap steem priced goods and services that attract these girls. Perhaps make agreements with high level beauty professionals, spas or product shops that pull them to accept steems. Thanks and good luck again.
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LOL
Seriously this is the most funny shit I've seen on Steemit.
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Nice article!
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Nobody's doing as good as they should be on steemit because some whales are just paying themselves. Haven't you noticed?
https://steemit.com/scam/@the.masses/if-some-whales-could-just-upvote-themselves-all-day-and-get-away-with-it-would-they
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can you not utilise steem to generate traffic to fb twitter etc and vice versa? , just a thought....
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Idiotic, based on Judeo-Christian brainwashing who serve a tyrant God. The tried to murder the world and killed people left and right killed first born innocent Egyptian children and rule by threat of eternal damnation. And look at the Muslims same mentality because it's the same God and they kill left and right have for 1400 years. I'll pass on this ignorance.
Then go to cultures where nudity are common and open and they have more peace, and happiness. Indigenous tribes run around naked, Eskomos share their wives with guests. They both seemed to do ok until the out siders came with their "Morals".
Just because some guy said it, does not make it right. Especially considering the source.
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