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rok-sivante (75) in steemit • 7 years ago (edited)

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evolved08gsr (57) · 7 years ago

One of my biggest problems is when an account posts the same comment "Followed and Upvoted", on countless posts, but when you look at each of the posts, you don't see the upvote, and you don't see the follow.

These are the users who I want to seriously punish. Because I'm finding that so many new users are falling for this "trick" and upvoting the Spam comment, and actually following this Spammer!

We need to band together and be more aware of those who are commenting and voting on our posts. I know that it's exciting to see a comment, and someone praising your content. But.. BE SURE THAT IT'S TRUTHFUL!

Advocating "Flags" is one thing, but I think the most important thing we need to advocate is Self-Awareness of your own content and those who are visiting your content.

If everyone managed their own blog/comments as intently as they focused on earning rewards, Steemit would be a much more Original and Spam-Free Place!

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

Oh man. Yep. Those types definitely are asked to be flagged into oblivion. No rewards for outright lying.

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braveheart22 (43) · 7 years ago

I'm an example , I mistake doing this error that I think 99% are doing , and thanks to @rok-sivante all of us must understand the STEEMIT rule : BE ORIGINAL ,don't SCAM , post QUALITY posts , and all of us we'll be a big special community : a STEEMIT COMMUNITY :)

Thank you @rok-sivante

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corganmusic (53) · 7 years ago

Bring value, Bring value, Bring value :)

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

That's the name of the game. 😎

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braveheart22 (43) · 7 years ago

I'll do the best :)

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corganmusic (53) · 7 years ago

Nice Post Friend!

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corganmusic (53) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hahaha I've seen that all too many times on here. I notice that you have a killer reputation, and I assume that's why they were dropped so low with your flag. Each point up is 10x more upvotes than the last reputation score.

Also, IMO they deserve it.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

It's a tough call sometimes. (Deserving it.)

As the case with this story, the kid was quick to humbly his acknowledge his error and change course, respectfully. Thus, deserving of leniency. I wouldn't want to hit him that hard, when he recognized he was out of line and communicates that he is committed to righting his wrongs.

Though for other cases, where it's not even clear whether there is a real, conscious, intelligent human behind the account - that it's more likely run by a bot dishing out straight bullshit, than yeah, time to lay the heavy hand because it's outright abuse and there's no way of arguing it.

Discernment is essential to assess what's appropriate in each individual case.

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victorier (66) · 7 years ago

I think first what need to do is need to define inappropriate activities in very detail to avoid any unfair situation

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dougbudlong (52) · 7 years ago

I second that. So the question is.. Are these clear expectations presented to every newcomer, or are we expecting them to actively seek out "keepers of the code"? Those who do are desirable but what is the (or where is the..) one page that we are all on - from which to express ourselves, share and engage? I guess a rebuttal question might be.. And with what we have to work with.. do we need one?

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davebrewer (59) · 7 years ago

Mostly the wild west. Community sets it's own norms. You'll get yelled at if you are too far out of mainstream.

But there is a lot of courtesy for extreme wild positions without a lot of yelling, so the community is in general fairly tolerant of all sorts of behaviors and opinions.

Except "raping the rewards pool". LOL. That is always a touchy subject. With no commonly agreed definition,

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steveitt (53) · 7 years ago

The kind of "spam" comments you speak of are the very things people do in conversations in real life everyday, and in either case they are annoying.

Someone asks you 'Do you like my dress?' or 'What do you think of...(insert movie, tv show, etc.)' and people say something like "Yeah, it's great." or "It's good." Saying a meaningless "I love you." is the worst. If you haven't shown the person any practical love, it's just like spam that's been sitting in the sun for a week.

People have meaningless "spam" conversations all day long, and nobody gets upset. Don't get me wrong! I am an introvert, one who appreciates the idea that when one speaks, it should always be a meaningful comment

My point is that it seems to be a universal bad habit that we all fall back on sometimes. I don't like it either! Also, one of my personal pet peaves is what I call the "tin-can" post. This is a post that is over 80% self-promoting links and crypto addresses. Maybe it's just me, but that seems even more tacky than a trite, meaningless comment, or a beggar's "upvote me"--the type I hear in everyday conversation--the "white noise".

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jtstreetman (52) · 7 years ago

I love you, I love you too ... and Your beautiful inside and out. makes me want to puke ... ALL Fakebook sheeple.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

Lol. :-D

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heymattsokol (68) · 7 years ago

You are so right that it is important to flag this stuff, even if it sometimes feels weird to do so. The worst case scenario is for a spam commenter to actually profit from doing it - that means Steem rewards are being allocated to spam, which jeopardizes the whole system...

We gotta work together to keep this place moving. Well said.

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boodles17 (49) · 7 years ago

It felt weird for me too until I realized that there was only so much Steem available and that their spam was hindering my progress as it was taking stuff away from my posts.

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amyf (53) · 7 years ago

I'm grateful to those of you educating new users like myself on this! Steemit takes a desire for community, and i think because of the older users there are many available posts to teach us. In my first few days I left spamy comments like "nice post! Followed." and was able to correct my behavior before I annoyed anyone too much- luckily!

This is a great place, with plenty of incentives to be genuine :)

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

Your feedback is appreciated. Great to know stuff like this is still serving those newer to the platform.

You might find some gold in this curated piece - a lot of content, though a pretty thorough rundown to help shorten the learning curve and navigate the maze with some fundamental principles to up one'/ game here:

The Dirty Dozen: My Top 12 Most HIGHLY Recommended Posts For Steemit Noobs To Accelerate Your Success...

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

Amen. 🙌

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livinguktaiwan (74) · 7 years ago

A lot if newbies fall into the 'I've followed you please follow me back' trap without realising this is the dumbest and most annoying thing on Steemit. And then sadly you have the real spammers where many couldn't give a toss. They are the most annoying.

Just out of interest @rok-sivante did you go back to see if that spammer stopped spamming or did he/she move onto others after realising he messed with the wrong guy?

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thegoldenphoenix (61) · 7 years ago

nice post @rok-sivante welcome to the community, upvoted and followed you you can do the same

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thegoldenphoenix (61) · 7 years ago (edited)

;p i am not a bot just i couldn't stop my self :p well @rok-sivante thank you for this great post i think i can agree with you in some points and disagree in others just one thing some times we should give an excuse for each other because we are all human beings we do a lot of bad stuff with good intentions ;) for a newbie or for some others steemit is place for profit ...but after you spend some time in the steemosphere you will realize that steemit is about giving not taking ...the reward is just something to help you and make you feel comfortable when you spend more than 2h writing a post or 5h editing a picture or more than a week building creating or crafting your soul in this product that some ... just will passe and say "nice followed you follow me "...and this will be appreciated of course if it is not a bot :(

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aldentan (67) · 7 years ago

I posted a video last week and the comment was "nice writeup" -_-

We definitely need to do something about this. We don't want newcomers to come here and see this place as spamland. We don't want them to think that it's the right way to be good at Steemit too.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago (edited)

Even if/when comments like that aren't spam - which surely is sometimes the case - it's really not adding much anything of value to the dialogue.

Maybe it's just my personal opinion, but why comment anything at all if it doesn't say something more than such a generic acknowledgement. Why is it a nice writeup? What about it do they like? What did they takeaway from it? Etc...

Perspectives like those might add something worthwhile to a dialogue and enrich the flow within the community...

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flemingfarm (68) · 7 years ago (edited)

This is an exemplification of a current problem in society as a whole. The technological revolution has a had a revolutionary effect on the ability of many people to maintain a regular human interaction. The impersonal and detached way that these comments come across is the true tell of their intent. I have zero use and little to no sympathy for anyone doing this as this is proof that they have not even skimmed the content. There is leeway if they are a noob, but within a week of being on the platform, there is no excuse for the level of bullshit comment posts that continue to be made.

Again, thank you for bringing another one of the underlying problems to the surface for us to reflect on and hopefully instigate a change. Without acknowledging there is a problem, it will never be fixed.

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whatsup (75) · 7 years ago (edited)

I think you make a couple important points... It is how I feel about spammy posts also. New Users come online and decide how to use the site based on what they see. Then many of them emulate that.

This is why I also flag fairly often now. We have the tools to reward good behavior and to discourage bad behavior. We must start using the tools.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

I'd add: if you are going to flag, it may be best to leave a comment as well explaining why.

If not, the flag will probably go unnoticed and they won't realize what they've done wrong. Having the lesson spelled out along with the penalty, behaviour is likely to change a lot faster as they realize the consequences of what inappropriate actions they've been unconsciously taking. ;-)

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amyf (53) · 7 years ago

I am a mega newbie, and I appreciate you laying this out so simply. Down votes feel like I'm doing something MEAN, but I finally downvoted some spam this week. Not that I'm ripping reputations or anything, but I want to do my part to make Steemit great!

I am grateful that you comment and give the user a chance to correct the behavior, some people I've seen truly didn't know what low quality posts/ out right spamy actions are doing to Steemit! It is good to give people a chance to change :) Thanks for the post

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

👌🏼

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allfabeta (67) · 7 years ago (edited)

I raised this problem 5 days ago. Beside just "nice photo, please follow my" I started to get a shit like under giraffe photo:
@allfabeta I've recognized that when it appears to be like terrible, just stepping absent for your moment would make all the primary difference on the earth

@allfabeta This demands somewhat more time and energy to Consider in excess of. Wonderful you provide it from a unique angle. Mhhh not really easy... and it had been previously Very hard. Many thanks for allow us to Consider.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@allfabeta/new-spammers-turn

and I start to flag these.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

To repeat from another comment reply above: I'd suggest adding a comment when you flag letting the user know why.

Otherwise, the offender may remain clueless. Best give them a heads up to make sure they realize the consequences of their actions.

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allfabeta (67) · 7 years ago

thank you for the suggestion. I'll put my comments with explanations why

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muhammadyasir (41) · 7 years ago

It's your steempower they are after lol. Some of us actually don't get fake comments as well:( lol.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

quite likely.

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jtstreetman (52) · 7 years ago

I agree 100% I finally was able to get back to steemit and was amazed at all the spam. It's definitely time for another flag war, just against spam this time.

and btw, Great Post man !

Cool Rok i hear ya !

and yes agreed with all above :) lets not spoil this beautiful social media with dumb comments like u said above :)

TILL NEXT TIME STEEM ON BRO !

we are stronger together !

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bashadow (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

lets not spoil this beautiful social media with dumb comments like u said above :)

So your post in bold and headline fonts is not spoiling the post? Your stupid meme is not spoiling the post? I mean really what does that meme have to do with this post at all?

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nejc1107 (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

DUDE DID U EVEN SHOW SUPPORT AND RESTEEM THAT POST !?!?!?

Do that before u write dumb comment like that .. and

YES DUDE I PUT HEADLINE AND CAPSLOCK in my comment

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bashadow (65) · 7 years ago

Thank you for that oh so kind and wonderful comment.

seeing more thoughtful, courteous, genuine, engaged, personable comments in the dialogue rather than the weed-like bullshit described above that's been running rampant lately.

have a pleasant day.

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nejc1107 (50) · 7 years ago

U still didn't resteemed tho!

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bashadow (65) · 7 years ago

Nope and I am not going to. If you think I do not agree with the post just because I did not do as commanded:

If you agree, resteem this.

You are wrong. My blog is my blog, Not you nor any other poster is going to tell me what to resteem, who to follow, nor who to like. I am an Individual, and I will do as I see fit. I will not be made a lemming by anyone. I am not an in crowd follower. I follow what I want to follow, I read what I want to read, and no one tells me I must do something. You are free to follow, post and do as you want. As am I.

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nejc1107 (50) · 7 years ago

im not telling you what to do, what bothers me is that u trying to be smart under my comment and tell me what to do and how i should write my comment.. u see where is this going... ur not showing support for Rok and his work ur just one of those smart a$$es who is trying to prove his point..telling me that my comment is spam because i put giff inside and put bold latter..

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bashadow (65) · 7 years ago

And that is the problem trying to define Spam. I guess we just need to agree to disagree.

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dinglehopper (61) · 7 years ago

I think the people who introduced Steemit to the newbies should tell what the site is really about. I read comments online people saying that this is just another site to socialize , post random stuff and make money. That is how they invite their online friends to join.

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drewkin (41) · 7 years ago

I was hesitant to use the flag, but there has been so many spam comments that it makes reading comments difficult. On other platforms I do enjoy reading the comments, sometimes they are hilarious and other times have insightful information.
It's annoying when every post you visit has the same comment, generic versions of "Follow me" or "Buy my product"

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

YEP.

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healthiswealth (67) · 7 years ago

Hi Rok,
Me personally, I do not like flagging for any reason.
Freedom of choice allows readers to decide.
Newbies like myself don't have the writing skills as great as yours.
I say, If they are not harming you.. Don't harm them.
So what if they are begging for votes and attention... they just want to be part of the group/Steemit community.
I do agree with yah bra that standards should be in place but to lash out in any way towards anyone is not my cup of tea.
I have been on the ATTACKED side of self rightous assholes flagging me here and it is not nice.. I will never flag anyone unless they start flagging me.
Love the picture of the Fist Rose, did you draw that? Great work!

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

no, snagged the pic from Pinterest.

t'is not a matter 'lashing out,' but using a tool to deter behavior that is inappropriate. free speech isn't a rationalization for outright hostile, disrespectful, integrity-lacking behavior. anti-censorship isn't a rationalization for abusive conduct or spam. we're growing a community here, and codes & standards of conduct and values need to be established. yeah, some people might abuse the flag function - but it's also a tool to help in the process of setting those codes and standards...

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healthiswealth (67) · 7 years ago

Hi bro,
I welcome some kind of change for inappropriate comments/Spamming but I asked lots of people about your post and they said;
"Hi, like your post, keep them coming" or something along like that/ short and not much contribution to the post.
Is Not spam.
I remember reading in your post something about; Author curation is taken by useless comments or something along that line.
Well, I recently found out that YOU want any comments of any kind/ Good or Bad within the first 24 hours of your post that is where the Author makes his rewards.
Everything after that goes to the voters.

For a open platform, I don't like flagging at all.
I think they should just have a block button option.
Don't like what I am posting? don't read it. Comment or Spam that does not go well with the Author; then Block them on that post.

Flagging comes across as censorship while Blocking provides remedy for inappropriate behavior.

You working today? I am coming into Van thought we might meet?

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