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mariusjuk (38) · 7 years ago

Daniel Larimer:
"Steem has excellent security on accounts, but very poor governance. The community reward pool is the preverbal wallet on the park bench. Those who are voting for themselves and hiding behind pseudo-anonymous accounts are thieves stealing from the community."
"With proper governance the Steem reward pool would not be pilfered for private gain. Achieving this requires much stronger transparency with identity verification and dispute resolution systems combined with incentive structures that disincentives self-voting."
"I will be moving toward transparent blockchains with strong identity, good governance, and a commitment to protect property rights while disempowering those who would launder profits from digital kidnapping."

It will be not an extension, but new project.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

In that case, gotta wonder what Steem price will do when it launches... (could see myself Powering Down for sure)...

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flashfiction (57) · 7 years ago

"I will be moving toward transparent blockchains with strong identity, good governance, and a commitment to protect property rights while disempowering those who would launder profits from digital kidnapping."

This is, in essence, Steem 2.0.

A new project, based on the same steemit idea, but with a better design that incentivates curating and providing a better governance system.

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littlescribe (65) · 7 years ago

Hey, that's what I just wrote as what I hoped he would do. It would be difficult, though, to start all over. If there was a way to transfer my steem, and my account, and everything about it, to a place that discouraged self-voting and bought bot votes for the trending page, and allowed a more organic and creative trending page, then I would be remiss if I didn't at least look into it.

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spiritualmax (64) · 7 years ago

It's no secret that Dan hates Steemit.

He is going to build it and he is going to compete... he is by no chance getting back here, and I would even wager he'd be happy if this would burn, the way I read him speak about this.

Finally, I'm going to enroll there for sure, I'm going to be an early bird this time around, I have EOS, so if it airdrops to holders Ill get an headstart, but I won't even need it as I'll be pumped with a new system to work on...

As for STEEM, will it depends, Dan's views are unrealistic for the most part, too extreme on one side of the spectrum, it works in a small community but on a platform for the masses his vision is tought to last the test of different personality types.

We'll see... I'm excited, but at the same time cautious.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

Dan hates Steemit

man, that's quite the strong statement!

are there any particular posts here you've read that go into more of the details that has led you to such a conclusion?

I really hadn't paid close attention to the controversy regarding his beef with Ned and/or other "gossip / news," so am curious if there's anything in particular that'd sum up what I've missed to clarify his stance...

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spiritualmax (64) · 7 years ago

Here's something to read.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@pandorasbox/eos-to-build-a-competitor-to-steemit-will-steem-survive-eos-long

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

👌

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cyprianj (62) · 7 years ago

From my little experience so far on steemit: below are few of my findings
-encourages originality
-Not a platform for the indolent ones
-Rewards the diligent ones
-Well secured
-Ease of operation
-Encourages socialization.

Steemit it has gone a long way to be dumped. It is easier to develop and improve on an existing foundation than starting a new one.
With the advent of decentralized systems like @steemgigs, busy.org (which i got to know about today) i beleive steemit is going to reach its peak. These are challenging times, it only gets better if we collectively put in our best to see that steemit rises again rather than leaving.
They work more on this beautiful platform rather let it decay.i see potential immeasurable growth potential in steemit.
Yesterday i got to also know that steemit was 2yrs old, i had to use the opportunity to test the new busy.org by making a quick happy birthday text.
It was really wonderful.

My worry in steemit is the way peoplw now abuse the voting bot...they no longer post quality content because they beleive they can always make the money. I agree to the fact that steemit lack a bit of governance......

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bitboss (49) · 7 years ago

you just haven't been here long enough. just wait til you post something that upsets one of the tyrants that owns bots and 30 accounts. say goodbye to your rewards.

steemit is junk.

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dj123 (60) · 7 years ago (edited)

it's like 95% probably the latter, building a community, even a sub 1 million one, and a brand isn't an overnight event, and if freedom is dan Steem holding has anything to say, he still owns millions of Steem....and why hasn't he cashed out for the last 12 months if the plan wasn't to integrate, the real mind blower is this:

SMT will be a token....running on a token......running on another token!

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eurogee (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hello @rok-sivante

Too much worries here and I certainly understand. Any other investor would worry as much...

To be honest, That short expression by Dan is very worrisome and could be easily misjudged by grapevine. This is about money and every topic regarding money is a sensitive one. Dan should not have made such short remark if I am to say something on it.

All your concerns in this article, of course, are possible scenarios. We keep keeping fingers crossed.

rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

Not a matter of “worry,” simply as much as curiosity...

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eurogee (65) · 7 years ago

✌️

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taslem (48) · 7 years ago

Is this your concern for the future of STEEM and steemian sir?
You are an investor, and I can understand your anxiety over your digital assets. But believe me and rest assured, steemit development is increasing all over the world. Even if the system changes may be a better upgrading. There will be speculation amid developments and issues that concern investors. So stay alert to all possibilities, however, the game and fluctuations play a major role in the currency of the crypto is no exception to the STEEM currency. Hope you have more success.
Hopefully steemit progresses towards a better and with a high level of security.
Regards....

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

No anxieties, only curiosity.

And I know Steemit development is increasing.

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taslem (48) · 7 years ago

Okay..

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taslem (48) · 7 years ago

Perhaps you should know, your name is often mentioned by the steemians in Aceh.
Among the other names you are well known @rok-sivante :D

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artonmysleeve (63) · 7 years ago

Maybe an up-grade to steemit would be a good idea as there is still bugs here and there. I wouldn't like to see the steemit platform crash as everyone pulls there crypto out. this is one place i spend most nights on and i love the content that I read.
What would you thin would make this platform better? I would like to see less spam that is my biggest issue.
and maybe less people asking for up votes all the time.
Lets see whats on the horizon hay.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

spam, beggars, and bots would definitely be at the top of my list. and some sort of solution to rewards inequalities, as has been addressed with the whole #rewardpoolrape war lately...

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artonmysleeve (63) · 7 years ago

Yep, Alot of people work hard for there up-votes but then others just get up-voted and down goes the reward pool, my problem would be that if i was to start flagging this could have an impact on me post in future, so I stay well away from the war.
Another thing i would like to see for steemit which came to mind would be notifications, so if some one commented or replied to a post it would pop up on screen. would make life so much easier, I have been reading posts but 11 minutes ago you replied, if i had notification this message back to you would have been nearly straight away.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

I’m not 100% certain, though think that either busy.org or one of the alternative Steem app/interfaces does have a notification feature like that. Coulda sworn I saw it at some point when checking one of them out, though not sure which exactly...

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tfame3865 (74) · 7 years ago

Busy.org has notification running pretty well

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pojan (67) · 7 years ago (edited)

hello @rok-sivante, you have given a little analysis about EOS. now I am confused,

what stands for EOS? can you tell me about that?

talk about bitshares, steemit and eos. this is a blessing bearer for all kite, take a look at earlier bithshares as long as there is no steemit, whether he is already known throughout the wider community or not. whereas with the presence of steemit, this is enough to infect the entire community in the world, they can quickly join and recognize steemit, and not only the programmers who join here, but also all the society can be here now. why is that ?, because steemit is very easy to use, just by writing content, then share and we will all get rewards. and of course this will increase and will become king again, we can see since the emergence of steemit until now, how many hundred percent have advanced for steemit, and I am sure the next will be even better. and about eos, is it eos, if eos is an abbreviation of ethereum then i think this is a helper reaction between steem and eos. and if this eos is indeed a new reaction created, then it will be very difficult to reach the peak of glory like steemit. because everyone is familiar with steemit and many people who already feel the beauty of steemit. this is just an analysis of me.

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rjunaid12 (58) · 7 years ago

An upgradation to steem will be the best. Steem with EOS integrations is the best case scenario, that'll be fair to everybody

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udy.lion (44) · 7 years ago

steemit will sail fine with less scammers, spam's and bots

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

Most certainly!

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neiji (43) · 7 years ago (edited)

the science of useful, thank you @ rok-sivante always share posts good so that I am I as the newcomers disteemit understand.

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godswill (54) · 7 years ago

This the far I have got to know so far on this development.
Left for me DAN should go for a new platform backed by steemit or eos preferably. Getting qnd upgrade of steemit blockchain when NED is not outrightly in support points out danger.

But still on the second thought is a beautiful thing steemit 2.0 come to play.

Thanks for the enlightenment @rok-sivante.

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crystalhuman (64) · 7 years ago

Cashing out and letting Bernie burn this place down sounds like a nightmare lol! I just got here! Perhaps that's better though, I haven't had too much time to invest my life into it. Although I really hope to see some fixes and creative implementations, this platform is the best one yet. #KeepSteemitAlive

Thanks for the massive upvote @rok-sivante

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

your welcome.

I had caught your memo attached to transfer - usually, I don't pay attention to them, but looked for some reason, and couldn't not chip in a little for your worthy cause.

may your wife emerge triumphant from the trials... 🙏

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crystalhuman (64) · 7 years ago

Thank you very much, she means the world to me.

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blessedman939 (64) · 7 years ago

I was in a group where this issue was discussed, I would certainly love Steem 2:0 which effectively solves some of the downside of Steem blockchain. I'll keep my fingers crossed till then.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

Was there any insight shared there as to the likelihood of what is coming, or mostly just speculation...?

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ponpase (76) · 7 years ago

Based on Dan's history of starting projects and then moving onto the next, it could be pretty surprising for him to turn around and come back to work on Steem - perhaps especially in consideration of the recent controversy around his clashes with Ned. It might be deduced that the "Steem 2.0" comment was not necessarily to mean an updated version of Steem, but a similar, improved concept/platform.

But then again, maybe not.

You have done the analysis and wrote it well. But I feel confused with the above sentence. How is the continuation of this story? I think you should go back to doing an analysis on this. I look forward to the next edition. Thank You .. I dare not respond and predict what will happen next with steem. Thanks @rok-sivante!

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

Brief history:

Dan Larimer first created Bitshares. (And was the first to publicly talk of the concept of a blockchain-based "Decentralized Autonomous Corporation" - which later got picked up by mainstream as the DAO - Decentralized Autonomous Organization.)

Then, he left Bitshares and went onto create Steemit.

Then, he left Steemit and went onto create EOS.

He never did go back to Bitshares, but left it to the community to continue. Same - so far - with Steemit. Thus, it "could be pretty surprising" if he were to come back to work on Steem - in particular, because there was apparently some differences between him and Ned, Steemit's CEO.

No further analysis required, or no further story to report. Just have to wait and see what happens...

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frankbacon (65) · 7 years ago

Highly rEsteemed!

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boodles17 (49) · 7 years ago

It may be something as simple as steemit graduating from beta status.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

Good question when that’ll ever happen...

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tfame3865 (74) · 7 years ago

There is no house without problems, all this issue here and there is normal. There is no where it can be always perfect.

EOS WITH ALL THIS HYPING WILL STILL HAS IT PROBLEM, I AM PRETTY SURE OF THAT BUT TO ME, STICKING TO THE DEVIL YOU KNOW IS BETTER THAN STICKING TO THE ANGEL YOU DONT .

LET US FOLD OUR HANDS AND SEE HOW IT GOES. I HOPE HE NEVER TAKE PEOPLE THERE AND GOT THEM ABANDON JUST LIKE HE HAS BEEN DOING.

STEEMIT IS STILL IN BETA STAGE AND WE ALL ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE IT WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE.... ROME WASNT BUILT IN A DAY @ROK-SIVANTE

ADVICE > IT WILL BE BETTER NOT TO TEST THE DEPTH OF THE RIVER WITH BOTH FEET

I LOVE TO SEE COMPETITION AS IT WILL BRING ALOT OF NEW INNOVATION

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greenrun (66) · 7 years ago

The "steemit 2.0" could be a good thing for steemit. People tend to perform better under pressure. Who best ensures pressure than a competition offering similar services? I came across this same discussion on Twitter. Many believed it could be a good thing to have some competition. Let's see what the future holds. Thank you.

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twitterbot (56) · 7 years ago

SaltyMashedPotatoes tweeted @ 22 Mar 2018 - 14:40 UTC

"Dan left #Steem expressly to create a competitor to Steem and is advertising it with a supposed “inside track” to… twitter.com/i/web/status/9…

Disclaimer: I am just a bot trying to be helpful.

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iamibek (43) · 7 years ago

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ervin-lemark (71) · 7 years ago

EOS == Steem 2.0 :)

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joythewanderer (78) · 7 years ago

Love the way you made that gif in the end.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

Confession: I didn’t make it, just found on giphy.com

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joythewanderer (78) · 7 years ago

No worries. Interesting gif you’ve found!

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aldentan (67) · 7 years ago

Let's go MAINSTREAM. Maybe that's how it is for now. He's jumping from ship to ship for us to build ourselves first.

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deanlogic (61) · 7 years ago

Interesting Tweet and replies. ;)

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scan0017 (65) · 7 years ago (edited)

What a fantastic, informative post @rok-sivante!
I always wondered what Dan and Ned were fighting over... Thank you for the info!
As you said, whatever happens, this will be interesting...
Maybe NOW we know why Steemit was always considered the beta version?
I love Steemit, I'm staying!
Nothing says we can't diversify and be on both though, right? 🙂

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

True dat.

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littlescribe (65) · 7 years ago

Might such a project be a completely unique venture unto its own, or an extension upon the existing Steem blockchain?

No. I doubt that.

Might the "Steem 2.0" idea be an upgrade to the existing Steem blockchain with the features and benefits EOS enables?

That's more likely. Especially with egos involved....

Personally, I'd think it'd be preferable to upgrade the existing Steem platform - both leveraging the network that's been grown so far over the last couple years, and ensuring that the Steemit community is honored for their service and commitment through their inclusion in "Steem 2.0," whatever it may be.

Yes, I agree. But he might have burned too many bridges there...

were it possible to upgrade with EOS integrations such that the few hundred thousand Steemians who've been working hard to build up their Steem holdings could easily transition to "Steem 2.0" while ensuring their Steem retained its value and could be utilized in the next iteration,

I could see that happening. Basically pulling over the userbase to his site. But then, it's a big risk. He's better off joining forces. But I guarantee you if there IS another operating system for steem, he's doing something that will get him his baby back. This is his baby, and he left it. I just could never get over that. I always felt like he'd come back. If there is a steem 2.0, and it's not just a saying, then I betcha he'll try to steal the userbase. But it would be smarter for him to collaborate. People would be in an upheaval.

The first thing he should do is manage the purchased bot votes and manage the trending page so promotionals go to the promo section. And self-votes count as promo votes. This is @nonameslefttouse's idea, and I second it.

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fr3eze (68) · 7 years ago

The BM is so mighty that I think the only thing can kill his own porduct, Steem, is another product developed by himself.

If he is really going to build a new blockchain to be Steem competitor, they might fight each other to death or, they might end up evolved to two different product and co-exist well together. We shall see.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

could end up serving different niches/tribes/markets, too.

considering there's 7 billion people on this planet, it'd be safe to say there's enough room for both and more to each serve their own positions...

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fr3eze (68) · 7 years ago

Well said enough.

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