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rok-sivante (75) in steemit • 8 years ago (edited)

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8 years ago by rok-sivante (75)

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jonknight (59) · 7 years ago

Completely agree with everything you said here. And it doesn't stop with steem social media! Any community will survive or fail due to the value it produces, and that value is always determined by the individual and collective efforts of the community.

Value can show up here in so many ways. It's not always a new post - I've found value in comments and especially resteems (which is how I found you!), and some of the folks who resteem value aren't who we might consider "Creatives". But they add value to the whole by recognizing value and spreading it.

Well, it's your post and I'll end my opus here. I mainly wanted to thank you for the work you're putting into the community. Went off on a rant lol.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

YES. Well-stated.

Your welcome, and your feedback is appreciated. 🙏

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jennamarbles (57) · 8 years ago

Very nice advise you provide there, thank you very much!

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bacchist (69) · 8 years ago

You left out a very important part...

https://steemit.com/curation/@steemed/im-a-steem-whale-looking-for-writers

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valspeaks (48) · 8 years ago

Very useful article. Thanks, it was interesting to learn something new.

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sanbir (52) · 8 years ago

I will try to follow your advice. However, there is still an element of randomness and luck. So much content is being posted. Whales don't keep up with everything. Odds are, they will never notice your greatest post.

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nippel66 (64) · 8 years ago

Great post, should be more of this exelent work.
Alot of time to make so great post i think.
Hope for more simular great reading from you, keep up the good work mate :)
Upvote from mee

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mjgrae (52) · 8 years ago

This is a great post, but does anybody else find it slightly ridiculous how many of the top posts in trending are related to Steemit itself? How many topics on Reddit are directly related to reddit and getting this much love?

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

there is valid reason for this...

(and do bear in mind that the highest-rewarded post so far at over $26k was a makeup tutorial. the story about Beyonce order 150 burritos also got like $8k. neither Steemit-related).

we are building the Steemit community right now.

there's alot of newbies coming onto the site, who need guidance, direction, and assistance in shortening their learning curves.

many of the top-rewarded Steemit posts aren't just hype - they're contributing to users' understanding of the dynamics of this system, the foundational philosophies and culture codes, and the skill sets, attitudes, and social protocols required to be successful on Steemit.

in essence, alot of the well-rewarded Steemit posts are like training & support material - serving to get newbies up-to-speed so they can more smoothly, quickly, and easily adapt to how the cyberspace works and become more valuable contributors to the community.

the more value generated within the community, the farther this project can go. as such, there's great value in content that can serve users to learn how to navigate this platform successfully - as it's their success that grows Steemit's sustainability.

and by getting hung up on the word "Steemit" in the title - you may have missed the entire point of the article. it's not about Steemit. it's about creating VALUABLE CONTENT.

the principles outlined above are equally as applicable for ANY sort of content, be it writing or podcasts or YouTube videos - posted on a blog, Facebook, Medium, or published in a newspaper or magazine.

I've tailored it towards Steemit because I have a great interest in seeing Steemit succeed. And for Steemit to succeed, it needs to be abundant in high-quality, highly valuable content. the better content people create, the better the entire community will do. I COULD have left any mention of Steemit out of the titles or body and focused it just on creating valuable content - but the dots need to be connected for some newbies to paint a picture of the path forward to both their success on this platform, and consequently for the platform/community itself...

so yea, it gets a bit tedious participating in the #circlejerk and writing alot about Steemit, but there's value to be generated on this topic for those who can help accelerate others' success here - which benefits everyone involved.

and the beauty is, we're still free to write about anything else too, which I do. it's all about balance...

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prufarchy (68) · 8 years ago

This! We're talking about Steemit so much because we're in the process of learning so much. Everything I didn't quite grasp from the white paper has been answered by a Steemian article about said topic.

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

Yes!

Upvoted for the clarity this brings to the matter. Thank you for sharing this short, golden nugget 👌

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kidsysco (64) · 8 years ago

I think we could also see this trend changing over time too. Sure talking about Steemit is what is hitting big bucks now but in a few years, re-pasting the same content over and over may not generate the same income. I think this says a lot about originality in writing. The ones who are only here to game the crypto currency system are going to be weeded out through good curation sooner or later. I am starting to get tired of reading the same old thing... How I made 100 Billion Dollars on Steem it in 10 mins.... or I am quitting my job to become funded by Steamit here is how I did it... THese articles, this one included are eventually going to fall aside once folks start to catch on and get bored with the same old stuff. RIght?

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himshweta (60) · 7 years ago

Hey, I am unable to use more then 5 hashtags. How are you able to use so many??

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

that was a long time ago. used to be able to use more. now only 5.

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sauravrungta (77) · 8 years ago

I have been doing exactly all that you have advised. But unfortunately, the Steem gods have still not shown any love. HEHE!

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mammasitta (70) · 8 years ago

Just keep on doing your best !

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sauravrungta (77) · 8 years ago

yeah...we mustn't lose heart! :)

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mammasitta (70) · 8 years ago

Ha I am already cloning my heart 💕💕

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sauravrungta (77) · 8 years ago (edited)

Lol!!

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mammasitta (70) · 8 years ago (edited)

I read the last time and now again ! Thanks Rok ! I am learning so much !
We all have to find our own personal style and OUR ways ...first of all to show who WE ARE .
I just posted again and its fun , not sure if its considered as spam to put a link here . I guess not so good . any thoughts on this would be welcome . I have no idea who I follow and how I find people I do follow . Its kind of a messy I think. But i found out I have already a little steem power . no idea where it came from .

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

Steem Power - partially from rewards on your posts, partially from voting, and a few bucks from when you first signed up...

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mammasitta (70) · 8 years ago

I am quite active so far :) nite nite and give me some love and feedback at some point . coming weekend might work

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clevecross (59) · 8 years ago

Not read a ton of articles that really present helpful well written advice on what to expect from your own work before putting it to the public. Second posting I've bookmarked for my return home (vacation with brother) when I will take time and seriously put focus on my effort to contribute with quality

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

:-)

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prufarchy (68) · 8 years ago

Just found you today and been reading your posts, which are pretty captivating. Thanks for sharing your insight, and reposting since the first one got messed up. I didn't see the first one, so I'm glad I caught it the second time around. This is obvs an upvote ;)

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

your welcome, and thank you for the feedback :-)

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macu (33) · 8 years ago

Nice post but I still feel like whales, or newcomers who are friends of whales, have a big advantage. I have been following the travel category for the last few days and some posts are so good but get so little votes and get lost in 2 hours. Others only show three average pictures and go trending. It is a bit frustating.

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

there's method in the madness. sometimes there's randomness. but in the end, there are predictable factors at play that determine what catches & what doesn't. sometimes it is a matter of luck. but if the value is there and people are persistent to keep on through any discouragement, sooner or later, they may get their winner...

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mammasitta (70) · 8 years ago

Be patient and keep on writing valuable content ! Trust in miracles !

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wisehammer (55) · 8 years ago

You know, I don't feel mad for not being noticed much, I just love the fact I can contribute with good content, having a space of my own, the rewards are just a plus.

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scrachit (43) · 8 years ago

Great post! Learned a few useful things from it. Check my new post too to see who can benefit from using Steemit - https://steemit.com/steemit/@scrachit/what-can-steemit-bring-to-content-creators-writers-journalists-artists-photographers-and-all-of-us

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nelu.ceban (60) · 8 years ago

so you are our teacher now??!! :D:D

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

I might have gained a few insights along my journey that others find valuable, and readers will take what they will from my sharing. I don't view myself as a teacher - much more like a student, rather - constantly learning...

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mammasitta (70) · 8 years ago

He is mine ! For sure !

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bhokor (53) · 8 years ago

Thank you for the advices, but i think at moment is to get whales friends

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acassity (61) · 8 years ago

Wow I was wondering how this post earned so much money in 24 minutes and it is because someone has 792,000 in Steem Power is that one of the founders or what?

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

not sure who it was, but there's probably at least a couple whales who threw down to get it up so fast...

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mammasitta (70) · 8 years ago

Collect steempower and become a shark ! 🐬

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averagejoe (40) · 8 years ago (edited)

I wrote a post on whats makes a steemit post successful based on analysis of the most successful blog posts so far on Steemit. You should take a look, and let me know if you also agree .... https://steemit.com/steemit/@averagejoe/dear-steemit-how-do-you-make-something-go-viral

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

I checked out your post and left a comment.

I also would have left a downvote, seeing that you outright copied & pasted all my tags from the bottom of this post - or had saw my other story on tagging and copied the ones from there. (you haven't been around on the site long enough that you would have seen the original of this post and copied from there, since its now inaccessible on the front end - but it's still there on the blockchain, so if it ever came down to a matter of proving plagiarism, there'd be concrete evidence. this may not be a HUGE matter with tags - but it IS if you try pull the same off with other people's posts - and I would not be surprised if you copied chunks of your story from other users as well.

a big thumbs DOWN for originality value. however, the downvote couldn't happen because it seems my account doesn't have the option to downvote posts anymore.

a tip = DON'T copy chunks of other people's content.

not a great first impression to make here, Suresh. :-(

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idevcg (48) · 8 years ago

Great advice! I would like to add that timing of your posts is also very important. You need to post at a time when people are online. Otherwise, no matter how good your post is, if it gets lost when most users wake up, you won't be rewarded.

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

yep. i didn't touch on that as that deals more with posting STRATEGY, whereas this is just focused on the value of the posts themselves. but absolutely. if posting stuff while everybody's asleep, it's gonna get buried quick...

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mammasitta (70) · 8 years ago

Soon the whole world will be involved and it will not matter much anymore . I personally post when it's done and I was not so lucky to be seen . I don't think too much about such factors . I just go when I have the feeling to go 😝

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jessica-miller (55) · 8 years ago

Excellent post! I actually found out about this one from your post on tags, and took the time to find the new link because your writing is so on point to what I've been searching for. I have a few posts that I feel I've implemented some of your ideas, but now I have a direction to include more in my thought process of writing. Thank you! Upvotes from me on both posts :)

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deborahwalker (35) · 8 years ago

This is really interesting about values, because what we value and hold dear to us can be very different for us all, hence the level of variety on this and most platforms. Your use of the Chinese 5 Elements is definitely something I would like you to write more about because it's something I use in my own work and I think it's more than relevant. I would love to see a perspective of the 5 Elements given to not only the platform but also it's relevance in writing articles. Thanks

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

I'll come back to share the post with you once it's completed. taking some time, and backed up with a whole bunch of other articles too - but REALLY cool stuff...

alot of my insight has come from immersing myself in Roger Hamilton's Wealth Dynamics for the last decade, which is all based in eastern philosophy and the wisdom of the I Ching & elements. it's a different outlook on value altogether (though they might also link into the 5 as well), though he's often broken down value into 6 types:

Knowledge
Passion
Purpose
Contacts
Character
Talents

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deborahwalker (35) · 8 years ago

Yes I'm familiar with Roger Hamiltons work and his book, so that will be interesting.

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theadmiral (29) · 8 years ago

Quite a powerful post. I think that that steemit enables a shared interest of community - whatever the story. Thanks for the breakdown!

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allasyummyfood (73) · 8 years ago

Really a great read for those just joining the platform like me, it gives me more inspiration and I cant wait to put everything into action.I have million ideas already how I can add value to this community, and of course it might not be valuable to everyone but Im willing to give this a go! Do you mind if I include you in the post? :) Alla

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alkemix (48) · 8 years ago

Thanks, insightful & useful information. Most interested in the correlation between the five types of value and the five Chinese elements, always love that sort of info. And since we're writing and learning, naturally these archetypes when focused will allow much richer creative output.

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aleksandraz (61) · 8 years ago

Thank you for the post, @rok-sivante . I do like your writing and read it a lot. I tried to make by best in adopting recommendations you stated in this post and as you've advised am leaving here a link to my new post. I would consider it a great honour if you leave me some feedback on it.
Here it is: https://steemit.com/psychology/@aleksandraz/how-to-identify-envy-get-rid-of-it-and-why-it-is-important

Thanks!

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s1ennaaa (41) · 8 years ago

Thank you for your advice, basing my posts on value is a great way to view the content i curage. I look forward to seeing where this learning curve takes me.

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josuepalacios (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hi, @rok-sivante , I just came across this post and also this one and I found them very helpful, do you mind if I translate them into spanish for the hispanic community.

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rok-sivante (75) · 7 years ago

sure.

feel free to go through my history of posts and translate whichever you feel would be valuable to the hispanic community.

if you're going to translate quite a few, and end up earning some good rewards from them, splitting some of those rewards and sending over some of the SBD from them would be appreciated.

though if just a couple and not that many rewards, don't worry about it...

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theonepercent (27) · 7 years ago

very helpful information anyone new to steemit should def check this out alot of valuable information

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steemgrindr (53) · 8 years ago

Wow! Added to my favorite posts list.

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karenb54 (73) · 8 years ago

I'm searching for as much advice I can get with Steemit, I haven't a clue how to add pictures spent ages searching for advice to help. Seems you know what your doing so any advice you may have for a newbie would go down really well.

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rok-sivante (75) · 8 years ago

I curated this list a while ago that'd recommend checking out and reading the linked material:

The Top 10 MUST-Read Posts To Supercharge Your Steemit Experience

Regarding pictures... You need to host them on an external site - I use www.postimage.org

Upload there - the 320 for websites size, unless you want smaller for thumbnails - and then once it uploads, copy the "Direct Link" and paste directly into your posts. Easy-peasy. :-)

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karenb54 (73) · 8 years ago

Thank you for this i really appreciate your help

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