I join Steemit November 2017 with main account (i am hiding name). But upto February i struggle to rewarded with dollar. My reputation remain stagnant with 30 and 31.
One day somebody tell me that if somebody with high steempower vote you, your reputation can grow big and you earn many dollars.
So I send @berniesanders a message in his wallet asking him to help me also and vote me so that my reputation also increases and I get dollars.
![](https://steemitimages.com/DQmfG5JRkbpeb3cwZLxqJqDGGDbWhwgHXCFgRRLipp2369m/image.png)
However he did not upvote me. So I look for him in discord, and managed to chat with him in February middle there. I made the same request to him, and also tell him that me I am talented to make good memes and videos. I even send him sample meme.
He like the meme and told me I am very talented and he will support me.
But he told me that his steempower was decline and he cannot upvote me. However he told me that he has a friend called randowhale who has many steempower and he will talk with him to vote me if I do for him something.
I said what is that? And he said that there is an evil man on steemit called @haejin who is fighting.
He told me, that if I help him, he will make randowhale to vote me and my reputation will increase, and I will get many SBD. He also tell me that he will send me SBD through someone.
I agree. So he tell me that I do this.
- That I create another second account for fighting @haejin
- I use second account for posting naked people on post of @haejin. He tell me that he will be send me the pictures via @hendrix22 and @lyndsaybowes.
- He therefore tell me to make memes that abuse @haejin, and abuse where he come from, is it South Korea. He tell told me that @lyndsaybowes will sketch and put sample image at comments of my posts which I improve.
- If me I do that, he promise me his friend randowhale will vote me
- So I sign up another account in around 20th February. But steemit delay to approve until march when it approve.
- So I tell @berniesanders that steemit approve my second account, and he tell me he will write something and give me to post as introduction and wait.
- So he send me his writing about connecting quality content creators and curators, using @hendrix22 in discord, and me I copy and post as introducemyself. Link is here. https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@steemcog/good-news-initiative-to-scout-quality-content-and-recommend-to-curators-is-here
After me post my first post, he again send me another post about coward whales and again I post. @hendrix22 give me in disocord. Link is here: https://steemit.com/steemit/@steemcog/to-stop-haejin-join-the-mud-war-minnows-to-hell-with-cowardly-whales.
@hendrix22 and his friends even support and upvote. You see here below.
9. After that @berniesanders send me using @lyndsaybowes picture of black boy with open buttocks. He said I post on Comment of @haejin everyday for one week and then he give me another. he also say me work with @baejin. Here is photo of naked buttock he send.
- Yesterday again @yndsaybowes post sketch of meme for me to improve on my comment. You see it here.
And she even upvote all my posts promoting and encouraging me to post open buttock on @haejin.
That is how me meet @berniesanders and he make me to do that, and work with his friend mainly @lyndsaybowes and @hendrix22. His friend @randowhale upvote my post in main account and grow my reputation to 47 now.
However I have reading about @haejin and all things but me I find nothing wrong with him. I dont hate @haejin and only want to grow on steemit, but @berniessanders convince me to post naked people on @haejin.
He also tell me that he has program for destroying @haejin and that he go step by step and that someone know @haejin face in Korea and will tell police of tax.
Me I don’t hate @haejin and don’t want to fight. But @berniesanders manipulate. Now because me I have report him, his friend @randowhale will downvote my main account which he know.
@berniesanders I am beg you to leave me alone. Me I am from Juba and I want to make money for school fees. Don’t flag my main account.
After this message me I will keep quiet but if you flag my main account, me I swear I will post this naked pictures on your posts and @hendrix22 and @lyndsaybowes and all your friends, but if you leave my main account alone, I will do nothing.
I can even send you master password for this account and you use if you want, but you leave my main account alone, please I beg you. Thank you.
I write this post to apologise to @haejin to forgive me. I am sorry @haejin for post naked buttocks on your post. Forgive me. I will not do again. I know you are not bad person. @berniesanders and @hendrix22 and @lyndsaybowes decieve me. You can see my posts they support all time and upvote.
Also steemit I am sorry. Forgive me for posting obscene picture on good platform. I promise to give password of account to @berniesanders and not use account again.
Thankyou, and forgive me @haejin and steemit.
Thank you for promoting this @haejin, you showed everyone your TRUE character pushing more trash to the top of trending (just like your "TA").
You are a fucking liar and everything you posted above is complete bullshit, for that, your account will now be killed.
Eat shit liar.
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I know your English is terrible, but, you should learn the meaning of "permanent". I know you're slow in the head, but voting power recharges here, quite quickly in fact. Moron.
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That is an outright lie proven by your posting exactly 10 times every day to maximize your rewards from bikini boy.
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Just out of curiosity, if it's not about money, would you be interested in supporting some projects on Steemit for a good cause?
Or upvote some original content creators?
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Amen.
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Stop upvoting your own posts then? Or is it really ALLLLLL about the money?
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I have to assume that you downvoted me @haejin, which cost me two sourly-earned brownie points, because I said that "if you want to promote shitcoins, you need to post ten times a day." I have been your follower for many months, and always admired your creative style and easy-going manner, but this ?
Be serious, you ARE promoting shitcoins - I'm not saying you're getting paid for it or something, let's just assume that you do it to give everybody a chance for a good investment in little-known coins, which would be entirely reasonable.
But my statement is simply correct and not worthy of scorn, because if you want to do these things, WHICH YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY DOING and which is largely being appreciated, you actually HAVE TO post a lot.
How else would this be working ? And why blame me in this war of whales, for simply pointing out the obvious - if the reason is not a Freudian one.
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This is 100% bullshit and everyone reading this post knows that. You’ve shown 0 proof and your terrible English leads me to believe this is just another scammy post by @haejin slandering me.
Go fuck yourself. This is a lie and you’ve provided 0 proof.
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@Haejin suddenly became a good person and gave $650+ to some random guy, even though he has never done anything for any minnow ever before...
Lol, can't believe @Haejin thought we wouldn't know this is him
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No matter who you are it can apply to you
#memequeen @lyndsaybowes thank you
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Hey @berniesanders. What do you think about this meme? Is it accurate enough?
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in this world of charts, the meme will be king
you got talent nice work(s) :D
wish you manyyy profiits
proof-of-brain approved.
@sublimate
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You can't fake proof of brain on the Steem blockchain. Must be some truth behind this valuable post 😆
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I dunno man, the evidence seems pretty overwhelming to me... ;)
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Haejin, I'm going to try and help you out even though I firmly disagree with you. Typically, the first person to try to play the "literally Hitler" card is on the losing end of the argument.
I would recommend sticking to addressing the substance of the arguments against your practices rather than try to malign us as Nazis. Sure some of us may behave with more civility than others but do not let you be distracted from the important issues at hand.
To learn more, see the following.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
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Because you are lying.
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Disclaimer, This post was heavily promoted with bots by @haejin for about $1500.
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You’re so full of shit it’s not even funny. You know as well as everyone else this was written by one of your non-English speaking fanboys. Again, showing your true colors.
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I wonder how you thought that you can convince steemians about this bullshit.
You have shown no proof that @berniesanders and you talked on discord.
No one will hire people for this.
Please flag this post to hell!
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I am pretty sure this post written by haejin. Berni can do everything alone. no need to hire you. You are fucking liar. It's clear that you are haejin or hired by haejin.
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The Steemit Donkey speaks only truth!
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Steemit minnows be like:
Also:
:runs away before bernie notices her:
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GIMME SOME POPCORN!
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Hahaha! @kivsha shared the fun with me and I am loving it!
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to @berniesanders and his multiple accounts :
Letting the guy see a big reward then downvoting him is just cruel imo
F*** you bernie.
I mean this time you really acted as a f****** c***.
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Wow! What a way to get major upvotes...!
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they were all purchased from boosters
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God Damnnnnnnn
There are a whole bunch of folks on STEEM that use this platform to support a mere basic standard of living... There is a large community of Venezuelan users who are going through terrible economic troubles, getting food and basic supplies is a struggle. STEEM came along and is helping to empower these communities. I really just hope you can begin to use your wealth to make the world a better place, there are too many greedy bastards out there man. STEEM can be a great place to HELP people. I post recipes, photos and random nonsense and I always upvote the people who comment on my blog. Lately a lot of the people who comment are from Venezuela and need the upvotes more than I do. It feels good knowing you are helping people on the other side of the planet, without even necessarily giving them anything from your own pocket, just some voting power that will replenish over time.... at the same time you are giving STEEM to people who support you, which will overtime grow their accounts and their votes will be worth more on your blog. Helping people makes the world go round here on STEEM. I just hope to see you and @ranchorelaxo do more good with your massive pockets, that's all.
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funny that @haejin is spamming comments here and disclaiming around and he does not even reply to this comment by you that very well deserve some attention, a dude with 77 rep... he prefers to invest load of money to promote this crap to discredit @berniesanders
this @steemcog person is very fishy. he is acting like he does not speak english very well... he also claims that the material he used was give to him by others, but i see an interesting meme lying around your posts that does not make sense to me in the argument, that meme show david and goliath and i guess that is in line with the "cog" (steemcog) "conquer of goliath " states on your blog info.
that meme was also provided to you by bernie / bernies followers ? :)
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They are clearly up to no good. I unhid it for ya ;)
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ha! :D . thank you very much!
is back again! :D
eat that juno! :D
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something here that need to be hidden from others @starjuno?
why don't you comment here like you comment on your own blog, don't you have a point of view on this?
You are not posting / resteem post about Life, Travel, Food, Astrology anymore since 2 months ago, now you are just posting haejin's TA's in korean version... better change your Life, Travel, Food, Astrology description if you are not going to post your own stuff anymore :)
are you haejin's girlfriend and maybe you are just backing him up?
You move from earning $7 to -$20 with your regular post about food,etc and started to earn $100 - $200 after you move to haejin TA charts
I would like to know what you think!
language should not be a problem, since you are flaggin post written in english it means you can also speak english, please engage to comment on english too :)
@starjuno if you feel you cannot talk freely without loosing @haejins upvotes, remember this a big community, is he stop supporting you others will help you grow up, start doing english posts and comments to gain more followers! , unless of course you have decided that TA charts is what you want to do here at steemit
take care, hope to chat with you someday if you want to
@sublimate
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well found out recently that @haejin has delegated power to you, i guess is mostly to flag comments they do not like to be seen? can you express yourself @starjuno ? i only hear your flags but no discussion from you, and this a blogging platform ;)
what about sharing your views ?
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Bernie & haejin should take all this to Facebook
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I can completely agree, this would never be seen if it didn't receive your boosts.. but it's hard to believe the content is legitimate when there is no screenshot from the Discord channel.
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hmmm... @steemcog... you are the devil himself...why did you first agree to that if you knew it was wrong....
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lol exaggerate much?
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@haejin, please respond to the posts linked in this comment. They are directed at you but you muted the account:
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Is it the same fear I smell whenever I mention the Rancho situation to you? Why do you keep running?
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@haejin, please respond to the posts linked in this comment. They are directed at you but you muted the account:
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this is make up english i bet you $0,001 SBD
try to portrait an educated person to make believe that he was fooled and that maybe he did not know what he was doing, nice one dude :)
got more magic tricks? i like magic!
he does not know how to say expose, but he clearly knows how to say rapist, liar and communist, weird english to me, but i am weird :)
maybe i am just nuts you know :)
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I am honestly very scared by this war between @berniesanders vs @haejin. I feel too much time, effort and SP has gone into this war already, resources that should be targeted towards new users and quality content creators!
This much drama on this platform will drive away new users. I have friends who I've introduced to Steemit and the first thing they see are posts about @haejin's "rewardpoolrape" and so on, this drives away new users as crypto is already a leap of faith for many.
Many other friends of mine started using Steemit, then stopped due to low recognition. If more time is focused into helping and bringing up minnows and less in hunting whales, it could really help this platform thrive.
Of course, I don't mean to say @haejin is innocent and should be ignored. He obviously makes as lot from Steemit, more per day than many do in a year on Steemit. He only selfvotes and his friend RoR votes for him which "rapes the rewards pool". I personally don't see anything wrong with self-voting, given you don't ONLY self-vote. However, as a whale, I feel you have increased responsibility (great power comes great responsibility) to not be greedy and not only self vote. This is destroying the platform as new users are leaving due to their effort vs reward not being favorable.
I too used to self vote a lot (probably like 80%) but now I frequently vote for others and also sell my votes on Minnowbooster as I realise in the long term, voting for others helps the platform grow which in turn increases the value of Steem, thus my own investment's value and everyone else's on Steem.
However, if greed overcomes people, I feel like there should be incentives or penalties put in place at the blockchain level.
Curation rewards SBD and SP and reduced curation rewards for voting on same user too much
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Most users are missing out that this is a social media and they assume they should get recognized on some special level, instead of treating this as a social media.
In addition to this, quite many users are hanging around only for the rewards, assuming that with the content they create they are entitled to certain kinds of rewards.
I'm quite sure most of us joined to get the rewards, but having any other motivation is a big bonus, especially when you can't assume people will specially work to find a minnows post and that it should be something they want to rewards.
Ps. If I'm not wrong, the reward pool is of a certain size. If a whale is upvoting himself without being flagged, he'll drain bigger and bigger amount of the reward pool to himself, leaving less for others.
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The first time I saw this “war” I thought it was a pretty shilly thing to do
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hahahahahahaha
OMG this is the funniest thing ever! This is a gag right?
If Bernie has something to say, he says it, he doesn't hire patsies to take the shit for him. Nor has he ever hidden the fact that he owns rando, so to say he would "talk to randowhale" is straight out of make believe land.
I hope Haejin is rewarding you well for this post. You're going to need it!
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He can't say what he want (and that's a good thing), he is ignored by 80% of haejin followers.
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DRAMA, DRAMA. AND DRAMA . . .
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i tell you. we should name this movie "The Battle of the whales"
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Don't predict your downfall like that. Have faith in yourself Haejin. The bad whale is the one who spends all their SP upvoting themselves. So the bad whale is you
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Power fight. Both guys have too much SP and instead helping each other and all community to make Steemit better, they fight each other.
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I feel your English is so made up than your whole story, the community isn't that dumb not to understand it.
Good try and whole respect for your creativity of this level.
Why not try some fictional writing and stories rather than wasting your time on trying to seek whale attention like #gold-diggers? there are lots of contest going on, I am sure you'll succeed.
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Steemit no apology you accept from!
Open buttocks me no see and want see from, now!
Where show me open buttock you for post!
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i upvote u resteem me follow
open buttoks
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Who wrote this piece of work for you?
https://steemit.com/steemit/@steemcog/to-stop-haejin-join-the-mud-war-minnows-to-hell-with-cowardly-whales
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Is this a Haejin FUD attempt or what? This gives me a complete propaganda vibe. The account was created days ago. Everything about this seems weird. I can't believe this is on the front page.
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We need evidence.. the best thing about blockchain is you cant alter data, even if you try to edit a post, the original is still saved.. but I must say you are very creative..
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I don't know what the fuck you're talking about but your a weird ass dude! I upvoted your post and wrote "sounds good to me brother" What naked pictures are you talking about lol.
Post them on my blog you fuck tard! Go Fuck Yourself!
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Open buttocks 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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I don't think this went as @ranchorelaxo & @haejin had planned. God they suck at trolling...
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Its so hard not to read this crap. lol
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I was pretty surprised too see this on trending - sadly all the rewards that are on this post came from the bidbots paid by Haejin. :(
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Maybe you are right, but I don't see any real evidence so for that reason I flagged this post. This do not belong to the trending page at all!
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I disagree, finally something good to read on the trending-trash page for a change.
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Obviously it's better than seeing all Haejin's TA there, but still I would like to see something more intelligent on the trending page! :)
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I agree. It cracked me up. Haha!
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This is probably the most random and weird things I have read on Steemit. Also @haejin gave him a bunch of bot rewards for posting this too. It obviously doesn't seem like this was a random post. @haejin has to have been in on this. Funny stuff @steemcog I will give you that. Offensive and possibly racist too posting 'the black guy with the buttock ripped' so I don't support that part.
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This load of shit is the first thing anyone sees when they check out Steemit for the first time?
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LOL
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;)
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At least it is more attention grabbing than the TAs. Haha!
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What in the world is going on? lol
This is one of the weirdest posts I have ever seen and I cannot tell if it is a meme/troll or not.
However, I follow @haejin and I have never really seen a problem with his posts. I did wonder how much he made on the platform. I tried using boosters to up my posts, but I always end up with less SBD than when I start. So, I am not sure how it is really that profitable unless you have a group or a few friends (including his own) to upvote content.
I believe you will need to get lucky to make money on the platform in its current state or make a significant investment to somehow boost your own SP.
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The man who doesn't use any upvote on people, using @postpromoter bot to promote this post..
Like hell, I will believe that...
And @steemcog !
You said, you didn't find any wrong with sir @haejin.
Please, tell what you understand about STEEMIT Rewardpool first.
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Yeah, I'm looking for that satire tag, It's too ridiculous and goes on way to long to be true, but it was a great chuckle, well done, we all need some laughter during these times.
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lmao I know right!
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This kind of thing, (whether it’s real or satire) is the reason I will never post content in Steemit. Sorry, I graduated high school years ago. I didn’t like the childish behavior then and I surely don’t appreciate it now. I read a few people’s posts here and that’s it. I will never pay for any steem power. Why would I? The first whale that gets pissed off will just down vote the account to oblivion. Way too much drama and clique behavior on Steemit. It seems that the up vote system is created to bring the worst out in people.
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"See, there is some drama on a website so that's why I never post."
Well you could also post, not get involved in the drama and just avoid pissing off any whales.
It's not very difficult, as most users are able to do that :)
Don't take stress though, nobody is forced to post anything.
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The upvote system is fine. There's just one really angry sperg that likes trolling @haejin. Either because he's jealous or just needs drama like a crack fiend needs crack.
Said sperg has made a lot of accounts in order to fuel his 'war'.
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I think you misunderstood me. I said he likes to troll you, not that you were the troll.
You've been good to us @haejin!
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Again I do not think you know what a sociopath is. Berniesanders is not one, by any means. Please do not use improper terms. Your knowledge of psychology is just as horrendous as your quantum mechanics and physics knowledge (which is damn near none) so for the love of god, don't talk science because you make yourself sound completely and utterly immature and someone with no intellect at all, possibly because you have none.
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What you guys think of my MEMES So far??
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Ikga fafitube beginnen😂
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My favorite part - " I am talented to make good memes .... I even send him sample meme."
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@steemcog you are a hero! Anyone else own up now, karma is going to hurt real bad sooner or later. You are cursed!
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Quite a long story, can't believe this is happening. Could be made into a short film or some sort of documentary. I still like using Steemit over Fb.
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This write-up appears too fake to be real. For example the poor English as far as i am concerned was a make believe, the writer can write English better that what he wants us to believe. Sorry Bros from Juba or Cuba if you please, i don't buy your mullarkay and cuckermamamy bull.
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hahaha some weird thing is going on here
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Well that was a funny read! haha
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Nice post brother.
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however ,the comments again will be bed
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Well wel well what we have here.Another drama
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So that's how proxy wars are waged on steemit :D What is it, a pissing contest 2.0? :D
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pole pole ekala poli. eka dektu gamchi wanega
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I wonder if this is fake news?
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LMAO!!!! this whole post is a meme in itself!
Comedy gold!!
I may even resteem so it can live forever in my account and know I can always find it again when I want to reminisce about that time this happened. ^_^
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I have to assume that you downvoted me @haejin, which cost me two sourly-earned brownie points, because I said that "if you want to promote shitcoins, you need to post ten times a day." I have been your follower for many months, and always admired your creative style and easy-going manner - but what is this ?
Be serious, you ARE promoting shitcoins - I'm not saying you're getting paid for it or something, let's just assume that you do it to give everybody a chance for a good investment in little-known coins, which would be entirely reasonable, even benevolent.
My statement is simply correct and not worthy of scorn, because if you want to do these things, WHICH YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY DOING and which is largely being appreciated, you actually HAVE TO post a lot.
How else would this be working ? And why blame me in this war of whales, for simply pointing out the obvious - if the reason is not a Freudian one.
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All I can say is @haejin is having himself a load of laughs... and money.
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This post has received a 27.05 % upvote from @boomerang.
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What in the living fuck have I just read.
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The Truth.
Truth always is and never isn’t.
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It's only meant for use as informative or entertainment purposes.
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Congratulations @steemcog!
Your post was mentioned in the Steemit Hit Parade in the following category:
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LOL
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75.76% @pushup from @haejin
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;)
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xD lol
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This post has received a 3.20% upvote from @aksdwi thanks to: @haejin.
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LOL @Haejin wasted his money. HAHAHAHAHAHA
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You got a 21.07% upvote from @buildawhale courtesy of @haejin!
If you believe this post is spam or abuse, please report it to our Discord #abuse channel.
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LOL, the only one he's exposing is you for being extremely gullible. He has no evidence. Others have already asked for it. SMH.
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@berniesandres is a good man, I don't think he did that.
![just_bullshit.jpg.png](https://steemitimages.com/DQmUKRqAG9yVPTpCWAdHmDPkerjTMtytMCv78CKXoaR3z6G/just_bullshit.jpg.png)
that's what I think on this post:
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English is not the first language of all people by far. Also english as been used for so long all over the world that it has changed independently so differently, that's why people do not talk all like you. In the UK, the US and Canada, mainly english speaking countries, the language used as many difference.
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This is the blockchain, right? That means that the post can be altered, but there will forever be a record of the original and the alterations.
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There's an Edit button, though maybe there is a time limit to edit it. Still learning though.
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You can't edit after it pays out.
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You have one very powerful person voting for you, and from that one individual, you get the vast majority of your status and wealth here on Steem. You know that is what everybody is talking about...you know it. Yet, when the situation comes up, you always deflect...always. For once, can we just focus on the one issue that is central to everything else that is going on? Can we acknowledge the actions that started this whole war and that are still going on today? Can we not run away from it and finally, for once, just speak directly about that singular subject, like men? Please?
I just want to end this, and frankly, I'm very surprised that you don't.
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Just wondering but why is the problem not deemed something that needs to be fixed with a code change rather than trying to, apparently ineffectively, police people using the same flaw/loophole that the people they're mad at are exploiting/utilising in the first place? The reason it might feel like such a difficult futile losing battle is because if your problem is you have bucket with a hole in it you don't expect to fix the leak by getting mad at the water.
Ie. The problem needs to be a blockchain based solution the same way bitcoin solved the need to trust people to not scam each other. In the same way, the way Steemit actually uses the votes needs to be significantly rethought. What Steemit decides what it considers quality and therefore rewards with higher payouts and greater visibility is based on an aspect that has absolutely nothing do with the quality or even the content of a post whatsoever. Obviously you can't be surprised when voting rewards and quality of someones content don't match when the very measure by which to decide how much a post gets rewarded is so very is so disconnected.
A post becomes LITERALLY "valuable" because of how high it's rewards are. This is the exact opposite of how you'd want it to work. How high it's rewards are should reflect the general consensus of what people think of it.
What I wonder is this, even if @haejin is upvoting himself with a lot of steem power is this really worse than someone who posts no original content, puts no thought into their posts, has no following or anyone that cares about their content, buying upvotes for them all? Is he really the example of the problem you want to use all these resources to going to war against? Because haejin's vote is still something that he ultimately paid for in terms of owning all that steem power.
Steemits rewards are generated through effectively POS mining and normally the POS rewards from your own coins are yours. If we saw the steemit rewards as effectively the steem we earned through POS mining, with steem we locked up as Steem Power, which we'd then be free to do what we wanted with it, it would dramatically change how we saw the whole matter. In this point of view everyone is grateful for people sharing and rewarding them and people aren't guilt tripped or similarly pushed into thinking they have to.
Honestly THIS the basis on which I want to see Steemit built, where you positively insensitive people to voluntarily share their POS rewards because it's more personally rewarding as well as more profitable than to keep it to yourself. The alternative is that the rewards your steem power generates is not your own and therefore to directly pay yourself those rewards is always seen as "stealing" from someone else and always needs to be put under close scrutiny to make sure people are being altruistic enough. That breeds distrust and the most destructive of emotions, resentment. Where you end up hating the people the more money (steem power) they have, but you still know you want their votes and pander to them through gritted teeth while resenting the feeling that you should even need to police them to make sure they don't steal what's rightfully everyone else's and which they deserve to have all that control over it.
You'd think by how many talk about this that those with steem power are just getting free money providing nothing. Yet you have to have all that steem in the first place and you have to have it all locked up and unable to use. It's clearly not accurate/fair to think about the rewards as being purely something that belongs to the "steemit reward pool" of which the user holding the steem power used to generate them holds no claim, as if the one who contributed all that steem played no part to play in it.
I'm confused at why @haejin specifically rather than all the posts that contain 100% 3rd party content, those that have no audience or put virtually no effort into it. I mean have you SEEN how much people get for posting MEME's?? You may think haejin's posts aren't good enough to justify such high rewards but I'm sorry it can hardly be a good example of taking advantage of vote bots that reward and litter Steemit with crap/plagiarised content. These are two separate aspects, the content itself and the way in which haejin is using the rewards. People keep carelessly talking about both as if they were the same point making for confusing mess for anyone trying to figure out what's going on. Somehow haejin has become some kind of poster child for something which he really isn't a good example of. It is regrettably doomed to backfire once people start to see the forest for the trees.
The main thing I want people to think about is to ask themselves exactly what it is they want. Just how good does the content have to be to justify upvoting yourself with such a powerful upvote? Because when people with really big followers get here and really can post any old crap and not have to buy any upvotes or upvote themselves and yet still see MASSIVE payout, and what then? You need to know what your own rules are. You need to ask yourself if that will be a big problem too. Because if it is then really you discovered that the real issue for you has really nothing whatsoever to do with self voting or vote bots since no votes or self voting need be used for you to have a big problem with it. Is someone who highly upvotes themselves NOT OK even if they objectively post quality content? What happens when Twitter-type platforms are built on Steemit where a platform which is designed for the least amount of effort can get thousands of even TENS of thousands of dollars? These are all very important questions Ive never seen anyone show any awareness of asking themselves, I just get this general vagueness that they just find it unfair.
What's so offputting about all this to people in and outside of Steemit is that it's difficult to understand the blockchain technicalities of what's going on along with trying to understand exactly what the point is with this vagueness and lack of clarity about it all. It's not clear what the rules are so it just makes people worried about using it. I mean, is buying votes considered bad? Will that get you flagged? Is self voting always bad no matter what?
If someone want to go about dealing with this in the most healthy and productive way for Steemit then they have to make sure their actions dont end up causing more of a problem for the future of the platform than the original problem they claimed they cared about.
Steemit will never be able to scale if it can't even figure this out rationally. Just imagine the political wars that will happen if people really start migrating over from places like YouTube and Reddit. At least with YouTube it's just one company deciding to censor you, whereas with Steemit a single powerful flag can totally wipe people out and Steemit has absolutely no way to deal with this for the same reason it has no way to deal with someone posting objectively crap content everyone agrees is crap receiving high rewards payouts. That's why I believe the problem with flagging to be a far worse problem.
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It is a problem because it constitutes voting abuse since the major portion of the rewards come from an account that does not meet the "proof of brain" concept as outlined in the Steem documentation. In that same documentation, downvoting (negative voting) is described as a means to mitigate such abuse. It is a problem because it gives people ample cause to rightly downvote the article based on disagreement with rewards. @haejin doesn't like to get downvoted, so he employs fear tactics to discourage it. I would like to talk about resolutions so that he won't have to worry about being flagged so much.
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I know it was a long post and I may well have added important parts of it in an edit you missed but I'm not sure what question you think you're answering.
I didn't just ask why it was a problem, I was asked why is the solution not being demanded at the code level. It is impossible for it to be truly solved unless you change the smart contract rules that govern Steemit. Unfortunately as far as I understand it you'd not be able to change enough to actually completely close the loophole even if you did, not without changing something fundamental.
Flagging will absolutely not work and can't possibly work. All you're doing is trying to push the water back in a leaking bucket. Well it's a losing battle that's why people are finding they're not getting anywhere. I really have no idea why anyone thought flagging would be any effective way to deal it.
The entire system of flagging is like the most basic possible placeholder one could have added, just so there's SOMETHING. It's one catch-all button. You can see people refer to flagging interchangeably with "down voting" which is quite telling knowing how people normally use up/down voting or like/disliking on places like Youtube and Reddit. Here since flagging is the only option people can use so they will use it to signify their disagreement as well as being the same button to press if someone uploaded child porn or death threats or to complain it was their content that was stolen. You only get one button and it all goes in the same flagging pot.
The entire reason this is a problem at all is that voting power is linked directly with post rewards, be that upvoting (give rewards) or flagging (take away rewards). It has nothing whatsoever do with the content it has nothing whatsoever to do with how many people upvote the content. Now of course in theory we HOPE that good/popular content will eventually coincidentally also get voted on by those with significantly powerful up votes. But the fact that hundreds of people can be overruled by or made totally insignificant against a single powerful upvote, means that the very foundation of which Steemit functions works in a way that creating content people enjoy, find valuable and quality is completely disconnected from the reward pool.
Why do people make so many lame posts? Why do people make so many posts which you can see they put the bare minimum amount of effort into it that they think they can get away with? Because you're insentivised to do that! Because you know you can buy an upvote and the role you post plays in the game is just a means to an end. The appropriate attitude to foster is one where you need a certain amount of consensus that has nothing to do with voting power so that if you put no effort in you can't get rewarded like that. The attitude should be one where you are always thinking about what value your post could bring to other people, because you need them to be rewarded. Currently we have a system where the power of the vote is what matters, where that vote doesn't need to come from a person that values your content and which you can even buy.
The upvote value does not indicate quality anymore than someone with a powerful flag on a post means there's anything wrong with the content whatsoever. All flagging is doing is highlighting the other side of this serious flaw within the the system.
The rewards need to be connected to something which have some direct relationship with the value people find it's contents. So long as you can literally make a post valuable by sticking money to it then you'll never get what you really want, which is undoubtedly what the original intention of Steemit was - That the monetary rewards a post generates actually represents the value people find it to have and so if you failed to grab anyones attention you'd therefore not get rewarded for it
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Edited to add: Holy shit, dude. Do you realize you edited these two posts 61 times? How's anybody supposed to have a conversation if you keep going back and changing what you said?
LOL, ya think?
I agree with most of what you are saying, but the fact of the matter is that changes to the blockchain will take a long time to incorporate. I believe we (Haegin supporters and Haejin detractors) have the means to settle this right now, at our levels. We have made significant progress these last couple of days, and I feel that we can continue to build on that progress, if only we can stop ourselves from getting side-tracked.
I'm not totally convinced that a change to the smart contract is absolutely necessary. Changes to the trending algorithms can be made at the site level. There are a number of things which could be done at that level such as
All in all, I think have a lot more options than most of us realize.
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They don't give a damn, thereby this network, clumsy as such, is turning more and more into a ghost town. Why would I even contradict anyone when that will reduce my influence to zero, while I can have an interesting conversation anywhere, at minds.com or Google and even Facebook ? And earning money is only possible with content for desperate people (like crypto junkies), or with the help of whales - thereby the one forte steemit is supposed to have turns out to be a real time-waster.
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Im fairly neutral in this whole thing.
Could you point out how the account does not meet the Proof of Brain criteria - Im honestly curious, if not no prob, I can look at it closer later when I get some time, thanks!
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saw this coming a while ago https://steemit.com/moderation/@snowflake/the-last-missing-piece-of-the-steem-puzzle
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I like boobs
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Wow you have no idea about the blockchain do you... Everyone can go back and read earlier versions of a post, easily...
As well, anyone with an ounce of common sense would know this isn't true simply because Bernie wold just make an account through anon steem and post the pictures himself... Don't be so fucking obtuse haejin,you claim to be smart yet you are probably the biggest fucking dumbass of them all.
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Aw c'mon flag really? It was obviously a joke.
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I know but I wanted to :P, my upvote should have made up for any potential damage caused by my flag though I don't remember how much I flagged with.
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lol thanks i will upvote you with the small amount i have till smartsteem undelegates which apparently screws you for a week
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Good evening friends, I know that you are someone very busy and despite all the controversy that you do not harm the community and the use of your vote is your problem. But I'm insisting that I need a little help to start a project that is based on giving an opportunity to all those publications that are being undervalued with a small contribution as a (Upvote, reSteem or any type of donation would be helping this project to be consolidate) if you want to know more visit my post and you can find more information in my last post. I know that you.
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wow, you forgave him just like that? it was really nice and sweet of you to. Never seen such before
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I believe this story. And bernie has a real psychological problem, he is a narcissic pervert. He began the flag war and complains about haejin defending himself ... he just lie and invert the role.
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Seems like you need some Coaching From Master @Haejin
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@enolifetrades - Haejin better think about expanding to 15 posts a day throughout the next bull run.
He posts what 26,000 readers request.
There isn't a single one of us that woudln't like to see 50 posts a day if he could.
It's informative. It's thorough. It's easy to digest.
Case.
Closed.
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