Steemit recruitment has stalled

steevc (73) in steemit • 8 years ago (edited)

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8 years ago by steevc (73)

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demotruk (69) · 8 years ago

This is crazy. Worst possible timing. How can we have no sign ups at a time like this??

steevc (73) · 8 years ago

It sucks. From what I've seen in chat it's taking 3 days to verify a new user. This is a fundamental feature. I have wondered if they are deliberately restricting sign-ups whilst they fix a few things. I think they should tell us what's going on really.

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demotruk (69) · 8 years ago

I wonder if they're planning on encouraging peer sign-ups. For example, instead of @steemit creating an account for a new user and providing the initial Steem and delegated Steem power, you get a friend to sign you up, and the friend provides the initial Steem and delegated Steem.

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steevc (73) · 8 years ago

That's an interesting possibility. I'd be willing to do that to get some friends signed up.

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paradise-found (69) · 8 years ago

Recent post up with some answers here...
https://steemit.com/steemit/@steemitblog/team-update-signup-process-evolution

steevc (73) · 8 years ago

Thanks for that. I see they have been updating the sign up form

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samupaha (66) · 8 years ago

Service like AnonSteem should have been integrated to Steemit.com in the beginning. I can't understand why that's so difficult to do.

It would also create demand for steem because the account creation fee has to be bought from the market. Now Steemit is using its own steems to fund the account.

sebastianjago (66) · 8 years ago

I have a friend who has been waiting over 24 hours for verification approval and still does not have access to her Steemit account. Not very cool at all. No idea what to do either. We are in Australia.

steevc (73) · 8 years ago

I've heard it may be taking 3 days to verify at the moment. I hope this can be improved, but I don't really have anything to go on. I hope your friend can be patient. Steemit is worth using, but it really is still a beta product.

lifeworship (66) · 8 years ago

I joined Steemit because I could be anonymous here. If it comes down to verification, I'll leave and never look back. I'm not sure my paltry 5000 posts mean anything, but I do my best, and I see a ton of thoroughly verified garbage on a regular basis.

demotruk (69) · 8 years ago

You can absolutely sign up anonymously.

https://steemit.com/steemit/@someguy123/anonsteem-create-anonymous-steem-accounts-without-social-media

steevc (73) · 8 years ago

I think there are still ways to join anonymously, but such accounts may not get any initial Steem. Did you have to verify when you joined? Even with SMS there are ways to be pretty anonymous, but it may be more about limiting how many accounts people can create. We've seen that people can create hundreds (thousands?), so there are still issues. Getting no signups at all is just bad.

lifeworship (66) · 8 years ago

I think I used reddit, no verification. It's diferent now, i think. I've only ever had the one account, not that I wasn't tempted to make more. If you speak your mind on here, there is a good likelihood of never making any money ever again. I'm not sure how that works, but honesty doesn't pay, not that I'm going to change.

steevc (73) · 8 years ago

Be true to yourself. There may be some who agree with you and will vote you up. If we can grow the users then that becomes more likely

lifeworship (66) · 8 years ago

I have 450 followers. If only half of those are active accounts, it doesn't make sense that I can't get more than 25 votes on a post. Sometimes it feels like I'm here with only my 24 friends who are as SP poor as myself.

steevc (73) · 8 years ago

We know it's an issue to get actual views on a post. I would hope this will improve as Steemit grows, but then there will be more competition for views then. I consider myself lucky to do as well as I do here. We each have to decide what value Steemit has to us and whether it's worth sticking around. I'm having enough fun to carry on for now

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lifeworship (66) · 8 years ago

Where else can I converse with bright people? I'll tell you where, nowhere. My 'meatspace' life is full of dimwits. I'll be here until my financial situation demands that I not be.

steevc (73) · 8 years ago

I think we have a great community and the general quality of discussion is much better than some other paying sites I've played with. There's a lot less 'like' spam. I was on Tsu where they got millions of users in the first year, but the spam was terrible as people desperately tried to earn a cent. There were good people there, but the management lost their way and it shut down. The Steemit team need to improve too if they want to grow the platform. Less technical users won't tolerate the issues we put up with.

Stick with it and I hope it will improve for you.

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maninayton (58) · 8 years ago

Hi Steve. Thanks for highlighting the sign up issue. It is vital that it is a friendly and trouble free as possible. I have only been active on Steemit for six weeks or so but I too have been disappointed at the lack of comments on posts. As you say there are a few accounts who post and comment regularly but on the whole there is little activity. Thanks once again for the post.

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steevc (73) · 8 years ago

There are some very active people here, but they need to find your posts. I see you have been commenting, so you are on the right path. It can take a while to build a following. Good luck

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maninayton (58) · 8 years ago

It's good fun and it can be interesting to read other peoples views. Steem on!

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skrt (48) · 8 years ago

ive been telling new friends all about Steemit by the day. A lot of people are skeptically interested, and Im sure if there were some nudge they could at least visit the site.

Skrt

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steevc (73) · 8 years ago

I'm holding back on recruitment until I know people will be able to sign up easily. I don't want them to get frustrated

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skrt (48) · 8 years ago

But explaining the premise to people has definitely been interesting. Of course people love to hear that all they have to do is keep trying to post content that garners the favor of the network.

Skrt

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maninayton (58) · 8 years ago

Agreed. Let us all nudge harder. Thanks.

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cannabissativa (57) · 8 years ago (edited)

Very interesting topic , i personally did not realize it was that hard to verify an account , but sounds like a hazzle. As for the number of signups. Looking at the introduction posts , it is definitely not boomin yet !

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steevc (73) · 8 years ago

I think it's largely about preventing mass sign-ups of dummy accounts that could be abused. There are reasons for people to want to have multiple accounts for themselves and that should be allowed. They need to find the right balance. It has to be easy for non-technical people to sign up.

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bart2305 (60) · 8 years ago

One of my friends is trying to create an account, but for some reason, there has been a delay. I will visit him this week to figure out what is going on.
Follow and resteemed!

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steevc (73) · 8 years ago

I've heard it may take 3 days to verify an account. I don't know how sign-ups are working now. Do you know what steps they had to go through? Are they awaiting an email?

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skrt (48) · 8 years ago

@steevc
When you say verify your account, are you referencing the badge that you have at the bottom? Wherein you're supposed to send in a photo for identification sake...? Because that seems like it throws a loop in the whole anonymous communication idea.

Skrt

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steevc (73) · 8 years ago (edited)

There is no official verification of identity here that I know of. They tie the account to an email and were using SMS. My badge is from Steem verify who charge a small fee to do a manual check. It's not obligatory to do an intro post with a photo, but people do that to prove the account is real. There are still ways to get a more anonymous account if you want it. I don't need that.

Steemit Inc are more concerned with reducing the number of bulk accounts that get created by scripts. See this update

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skrt (48) · 8 years ago

I see what you're saying. Yea I have no need for anonymity either. I havent given out my real name yet, but that just keeps everything funny.

I could understand how having large numbers of accounts as bots would sway the system as a whole.

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dickturpin (59) · 8 years ago

It does seem problematic to sign up. Took me a day if I remember right. I haven't done that verification lark. I'm happy to build up a reputation good or bad over time.

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steevc (73) · 8 years ago

I think in your case it was due to the lack of available SP to delegate. This current issue seems to be something different. Did you get an SMS to verify your phone?

I think verifying accounts and reputation are separate things. The latter is based on how your stuff gets voted on. Verifying identity is harder to do. I think FB, Twtr etc do it manually. I like the Keybase method of signing posts on various sites to prove you control the account. I would think Steemit could implement something like that.

Anyway, we know the reputation of Dick Turpin anyway. He's a bad lad.

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dickturpin (59) · 8 years ago

Yeah I think I did get an sms.

"Bad lad" How dare you! #shakesfist

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steevc (73) · 8 years ago

Well you chose that alias ;)

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dickturpin (59) · 8 years ago

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steevc (73) · 8 years ago

All that fist shaking is likely to give you RSI. Get back to the 'stand and deliver!'

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dickturpin (59) · 8 years ago

Shush, I'm trying to get my step count up on FitBit

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steevc (73) · 8 years ago

I guy I worked with did that when we had pedometers from the health insurance scheme with points for steps.

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paradise-found (69) · 8 years ago (edited)

I intentionally go to the new introduction posts periodically, wanting to welcome newcomers. It has been very obvious to me that there is barely a handful each day, this is not good. I believe HF 18 impacted those posting, with no rewards some quit and stayed. By them staying, we just haven't felt the impact of their quiting yet. This has in turn impacted new signups. With the HF, who wanted to get new signups and have them frustrated over rewards. The very slow rate of verification needs to improve. When I came on board in February, it took an hour or so. Does this delay in verification have anything to do with people opening thousands of accounts? Trying to prevent this abuse?

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steevc (73) · 8 years ago

I don't know if this is deliberate or not. Lack of information leads to speculation! I hope we will hear some update from the team soon.

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paradise-found (69) · 8 years ago (edited)

Deliberate? Doubt it.
There have been people opening thousands of accounts. This is frowned upon. So in order to prevent this abuse, maybe they are going the extra mile for verification. That's all.
Concerning the lack of new Steemians? That's easy, HF 18. Lack of rewards led to: less posting, poor content, lack of enthusiasm. This all leads to less new signups. I believe this was an unintentional consequence which can and will be overcome. But it's certainly easy to see why it happened. And now is not the time for 3 day verification!

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steevc (73) · 8 years ago

I found a lot of people I talk to stayed active through the HF18 low. It's not just about the money for some of us. They need to deal with abuse of the system, but joining for a human should be frictionless. I'm not a web developer, but I would expect there are ways to do that these days.

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paradise-found (69) · 8 years ago (edited)

I stayed active as well, its not about the money for me either. But I'll admit, my enthusiasm waned a bit at times, seeing rewards is good for the spirit. I posted some really good stuff and it was frustrating. It's not realistic to think no one was impacted. And there were some that quit, others posted but took less time, poorer quality. As I said unintentional consequence of the HF. And it will be overcome. I'm not against the HF, I like the attempt at a level playing field.
You brought up a good topic here!!

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steevc (73) · 8 years ago

Sometimes there has to be disruptive change and they could have handled it better. People didn't expect such a difference initially and I can understand some were put off. I hope they come back. At least this was done whilst Steemit is relatively small.

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