Why Steemit is not a Scam, Scheme, or Other Kind of Fraud

in steemit •  8 years ago  (edited)

This is my attempt at explaining precisely and clearly why Steemit is not a scam, scheme, or fraud as so many naysayers and skeptics have been claiming.

In the video, I conduct a brief overview of Steemit, Explain proof of stake versus delegated proof of stake mining, and why the former is associated with scam coins. I explain how Steemit is not categorically the same thing as a pyramid or Ponzi scheme. I also briefly touch on the question of whether Steemit is sustainable, as well as clarify the intentions of its creators, Ned and Dan, as I perceive them.

However, I do not claim to be an expert on Steemit, but I feel like I have a strong grasp of the platform after doing ample research, which I invite all skeptics to do and consider.


My name is Sterlin. Follow me at @sterlinluxan and Psychologic-Anarchist. I also run the Psychologic-Anarchist Facebook page and produce YouTube videos. My interests lie in the intersection of counseling psychology and anarchism. I write about the depredations of psychiatry, and also the philosophy of compassionate anarchism.

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If it's a scam it's the worst scam in history. They give you money to start then pay you to create and interact with new and interesting stories and make new connections. Bwa Ha Ha

If this is a scam what is Facebook? They have never paid me a cent then once I invited all my friends and built my business page they start to charge Me for them to see my content.

No damn kidding!

Absolutely. lol

It wouldn't make much sense not to wrangle all new users into investing some amount of money into it.

Indeed. I was going to discuss that point as well, but forgot. Nonetheless, I think I made a good case for why Steemit is not a scam based on the facts.

Some people don't like the lock up period in SP but there's no other better way to encourage long term growth of the platform. The key is to keep adding new users at a rapid rate and attract more and more quality content. The payouts should con't to attract more and more writers of all kinds.

Indeed. I don't mind the lock out personally. It makes sense from a tactical and economic standpoint. So long as liquid currency is still distributed at a fair rate, I don't see any issues. And you are right, more users will continue adding value to the platform. Well said, @hedge-x.

lol.

LOL

lol

Sterlin, I really liked this vid. I can see you did some legwork, and you are technically not indolent or ignorant.

Thank you @littlescribe. Much appreciated.

Thank you, I've saved this link in my email drafts folder to have handy to send to others. Since I'm new, but can't stop talking about Steemit to others, this will come in VERY handy!

Thank you so much! I hope it works well to debunk the fraud myths regarding Steemit.

Money and ponzi scheme are the same thing, because as soon as we choose to not share things for free and use money a minority will always have more than the majority and people with be exploited and lose out. But hay, Steemit is all good for me so far, so I have no complaints really :D

If I plant and harvest corn, I will always have more corn than those who don't plant and harvest corn (unless they steal it from me).

Corn can then be used as money by me to buy fish or shoes or services etc.

If I share my corn for free, the number of people who plant and harvest corn will diminish. Soon I will be surrounded by indolence.

Agree. Many systems are working in the Crypto space (not just Bitcoin) b/c if these systems align incentives the right outcomes will follow. These SD payouts will only attract more and more quality writers to the platform. Therefore, more quality content created, will equal more users longterm. Giving a higher and higher valuation to Steem.

that is not money, that is barter, and it is a closer version to simply just sharing or giving

ask yourself "why do I give free things to my family and freiends but not to others who may need them?" the answer is humans are predominantly selfish and hoard so some go without

the whole world is my family, is the correct perception, every being and everything, so if I produced food I would just share it with everyone I could

That is money in some societies. Money is simply the most marketable (widely accepted) commodity. There have been many societies where a measure of grain was money.

Money often in the past was silver or gold because they were the most widely marketable commodities and would be accepted for trade across wide areas.

money is a coin or paper representation of goods or services, once it becomes food it is just barter or sharing

and if I have too much grain don't share it to people who need to eat then I am just a demon

there are still some sane communities that just all work to make food and share it all, along with making clothes and shelter for each other

Great analogy it applies to building your own working capital.

It still could be. But if you're not investing money into it and earning your steem via curation/posts who really cares. You're only out what you never actually had. That's how I look at it.

That's the point, friend. It can't really be a scam if you are not required to invest money. But yeah, that fact does demonstrate that you don't really have to worry about it anyway.

Perfect explanation that every troll needs to listen to. Sad enough that there has to be an explanation for this!

Thank you so much for that @mrs.steemit. I put some legwork into this.

So many trigger words in the title lol

I know right. lol

You can find posts of mine almost a month ago where I was tackling this same argument. I think we all go through this phase and try to explain it to people.

I said if it is a Ponzi scheme they are doing it totally wrong because I haven't had to spend a dime. :)

Appreciate your insights on why Steemit is not a scam. Now...I am looking forward to your take on "Is Steemit Sustainable?" I'm betting that it is!

Thanks a bunch! Maybe I will do a video on whether it is sustainable.

Will look forward to it if you do make the video. To me sustainability is the key question. I do have a gut feeling that this platform has lasting power to it.

Nobody is required to buy anything . Just like with any venture there are no guarantees since nobody can predict the future.

Clearly, @sterlinluxan is hiding something from us...

People are calling #steemit a scam for the same reason men call women mysterious.

They ain't getting any love.

They expected to hop on and make a bunch of money easy like and then they see people that already have a following hogging up all the love. So instead of trying to make better content or engage in the community they call it a scam and they leave.

I like it. I dont need to make a bunch of money to enjoy steemit.

Good video Sterlin.

I think an excellent point was made a while back in a bitcointalk thread from a developer responding to the fears about a pump and dump. If you've determined that there is value in the Steem platform, this should ease any fears of large stake holders dumping their liquid steem.

So it seems there is one last bone of contention that is at the root of all complaints: "Steemit can dump and everyone who buys now will lose money".

This statement is true, we could sell all of our Steem over a short period of time during which there are no buyers. Such a move would reduce the price, but it wouldn't change the value. The result of the sale is simply that Steem moved from one set of hands (who could DUMP) to a new set of hands (who could DUMP). It wouldn't make the project dead, it would just be under new management.

If the "pump" is real value and utility, and I believe it is, any "dump" should not be feared and it is ultimately an opportunity for new investors.

It's curious that the same people crying about the centralization of stake, are the same ones crying about fears of "dumping". When this "dumping" is exactly what is necessary to decentralize the stake.

It also makes no sense to complain about the two-year holding period and also complain about dumping, when it is exactly the two -year holding period prevents any sort of rapid dump. Yes people can sell, including the developers (and as you say that is what is needed for ownership to become more widely distributed), but it will take two years to do it, during which time everyone has plenty of time to see what is going on and respond to it accordingly.

But trolls and cry babies rarely make sense, and I honestly believe that is 99% of what we are dealing with.

Ah yes. Thanks for the clarification on the utility of the dump. Well said, friend. Duly noted.

I don't understand all of the "scam" criticisms, particularly from a user perspective. In that regard, it's absolutely not a scam.

From that same perspective, however, there certainly is the perception that the system is being abused. There has been a considerable amount of frustration about trending content and "whale" voting that isn't being seriously discussed. I think that's turning a lot of people off and discouraging some very good writers. Ned, Dan, and the other whales should try to do more to address that - even if it's only perception. It can still be damaging to the platform overall and ought to be taken seriously.

But, no - there is no scam. There's no requirement to invest in this in order to participate and the rewards are in fact real.

Sure, that is another topic and it may very well be a valid criticism. However, I believe that Ned and Dan are indeed already considering making changes. @dantheman has been writing fervently about possible other voting mechanisms and algorithms.

Great thoughts overall here, friend.

Its been said a few times but its not actually free money as you invest your time into the platform whether that i curating or writing. I think that is the simplest way of putting it.

Yes. I get into that and talk a bit about why Steemit gives the impression that it is not abiding by "market signals" in the traditional sense.

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I've gotta say it can only act as a scam if you invest your time and or money in something that fails. It can only fail if we as individuals all decide it's false. Right now, I'm confused as to how the funds come to content without advertising to fund it, but that's mainly because I'm still struggling to decipher the white paper...