Rene @world5list and I have been putting a lot of effort lately into bringing more people onboard the Steemit train. But during this process we've come across several important roadblocks we've often encountered when showing minnows the ropes. Therefore, we ask you—the community—for advice on ways we can solve these problems in order to streamline a newbie's process into joining this amazing platform!
The first and most major challenge is the signup process. Accounts can take up to two weeks for approval. Such a delay can cause one to lose interest once they've finally been approved, which will lead to lower “conversion rates” and wasted marketing efforts. We understand this approval process is important in reducing the creation of spam accounts as well as verifying real users, but the only way to speed up this process is through @anonsteam, which also requires payment using BTC, LTC, or STEEM, all of which our potential users may either not have or aren't willing to make the small financial investment for (due to their lack of knowledge on how smart of an investment it really is!).
We have been putting in a lot of time into showing people the ropes, but most others may not have as much guidance. Some people may discover the platform on their own (as was the case with me). These are the same people who may not know where to even begin in getting involved with the community. Additionally, a lot of people aren't even aware of Steemit.chat or Discord, both of which are extremely useful tools in enhancing your Steemit experience. Nevertheless, Rene and I are still taking out a lot of time to bring on quality content creators and highly encourage others to do the same...because after all, this is the most effective way of truly spreading the word and growing the platform :) Happy Steeming everyone!
It is easy !
Dedicated people will always gain money and gain followers
I like your post
Thank You for sharing
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Slowly but surely I'm beginning to realize that this platform is more so about quality over quantity. Had it not been for articles like these, I would have given up. Its content like this that hep encourage users such as myself press on. My best advice is take your time and pride in the content you put out there and you'll be a top earner in no time. What's that quote from that old shitty movie 'If you build it, they will come' Accurate breakdown of this platform.
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Indeed !
Now I'm working on quality for my post and it takes more than 2 hours to complete one post and more than 5 hours to collect information and quality for my post
All the best for your future posts and followers.
Help them as much as you can
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Thank you. Same to you :)
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You had me right up to the point where you called Field of Dreams shitty. For shame! (That's not a gun, it's your finger--I mean come on, it's James Earl Jones!)
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I agree, I keep telling everyone it's all about persistence and hard work. If this were an easy game, everyone would be doing it! Thanks for taking the time to read my post & I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
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Yes, yes, yes. I just replied to a frustrated fellow-new-steemer today, and said something to the effect that you've just got to do the work, there's no getting around it.
Here's a link to the response I made, for anyone else who is new and nearly ready to high-tail it out of Dodge:
https://steemit.com/new/@juliany/being-a-new-person-here-is-hard-someone-need-to-create-a-noob-friendly-tutorial-and-sticky-it-lol#@joanroberts/re-juliany-being-a-new-person-here-is-hard-someone-need-to-create-a-noob-friendly-tutorial-and-sticky-it-lol-20170626t223745812z - and now you've got my 2 cents worth twice!
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To be fair steemit is still in beta and all the people which are here are early birds imo.
I started my 4 th week now here and bought in as a dolphin. For me it also felt like forever till my account got approved and I kind of got frustrated a bit and since steem was rising I was flirting with the idea of selling it again.
By far I dont understand all now or even a lot how certain things work but I am enjoying my steemit experience for the most part and figuring out which features I want to use and how much I want to throw myself into steemit and therfore if and how active I want to be on steemit.chat or different discord groups.
I also think in the long run it would be better if more happens not behind "closed" curtains since it makes it even harder to get involved.
Anyways good post.
I am curious about your opinion about commenting after the fork.
Before it used to be the tool to earn your first upvotes and followers, since people now dont upvote so many comments anymore.
Also I am totally upvoting my own comment :-)
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I think you're going about this platform in exactly the right way: figuring out how involved you want to get while still keeping the experience as enjoyable for yourself as possible. A lot of people are signing up for this platform for all the wrong reasons (money) and therefore get frustrated after a few weeks and a small handful of dollars. Take what you can while giving back as much as possible but at a good balance that you're comfortable with. Steemit.chat or Discord--I've personally found--are not absolute prerequisites to improving your Steemit experience.
Regarding commenting after the hard fork, I honestly don't know too much about this or how HF-19 impacted the commenting process. Although I've spent a lot of time on this platform, I'm still learning more about these technical aspects on a day-by-day basis, so it's difficult for me to give my opinion on these things. But as soon as I know more I'll be sure to fill you in on my thoughts ;)
Btw, I upvoted your comment too & I'm glad you enjoyed my post!
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To be honest, money was exactly the reason I signed up here also at first and I am guilty of follow4follow shit also in my first week.
After realizing it didnt bring any upsides and wasnt fun at all. I decided to change this and engage in content and catogieres I enjoyed and tadaaa....it changed my experience 100%. Suddenly I was learning about stuff I was genuine interested in and from time to time I was even able to teach or add some value to their post, which is waaaayy more fun and also earned me more followers and most importantly engaged follower.
I would be lying if I said I dont care about the money at all but if you have fun and engage in an "honest" way money will follow. At least this is my experience for now.
Come for the money, stay for the community
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When people put the time and effort into putting together quality content and get cents on the dollar users will definitely stop using the platform. Steemit is very top heavy and will always be in my opinion. The same people are always at the top, well deserving, but it doesnt give the newcomers a chance to get known. I believe there should be another tab at the top that has quality content, but not many upvotes. Not sure how this would be possible, but im sure can be done. It will give people more hope and drive to writing better.
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Something like the would definitely 'make the process easier', but I'm beginning to appreciate it in its current state because it motivates me to be as creative as possible. #ChallengeAccepted
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Oh. Thank you very much for your rich information about steemit! As a newbie like me who seldom using online English platform like Reddit. Sometime will feeling very very uncomfortable haha. But this community is very warm, people in chat room are nice they help me a lot! It is wonderful!
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Yeah it's awesome here! I'm glad you're enjoying it :)
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You have made some very important points and i hope steemit look into them. However this world is always in a hurry and expect everything to run like a movie. You should Vick out tending there is suppose to be a blog on HF20- some real kool stuff will be happening. It's a great post by the way and its informative too. If there is a waiting process, and people could be researching and start formulating things before hand. Ill upvote because you want better for steemians and minnows like me. Im still barely a week old.
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Welcome to Steemit! I agree, everyone is all about instant gratification these days, without realizing that this place is more about quality rather than quantity. Anyways, I'll definitely be looking more into HF-20! Thanks for making me aware of it :) Best of luck Steeming!
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Your mom ... hey, that's me @offoodandart. Glad I'm reading your posts.
Seriously, it's been helpful for a minnow like me. Case in point, I'm not aware of Steemit.chat and Discord. I'll check them out.
Thanks again, son!
Love, Mom
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The biggest challange is certainly not the signup process. It is a newbie writing his impressive 3 pages post he spent 3 hours on cause he heard he needs to "contribue value" and then it reaches 4 people and makes $0.02. Then he sees people posting a picture of their cat saying they took it for SteemIT get 400 usd. You can take a guess if he would ever waste his time here. That`s the biggest barier.
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I love this freakin post!
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Thanks! Glad you liked it :)
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Thanks for the post
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Thanks for reading it :)
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I had the same problem when telling my biggest fans on facebook... they were confused. I have yet to tell my 22k+ followers on FB on a post but only individually.
I started 3 weeks ago and I picked it up real fast but your right the week delay made me forget about it and I did lost interest for a few days.
Steemit will fix the issues soon I hope, great post man! 💪🏼😂💯
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Thanks, glad you enjoyed it :) I lost interest for a few days too, but thankfully I decided to follow through! Being active on this platform was the best choice I've made in a long time!!!
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I appreciate you bringing more people to Steemit. Interesting stats on the number of users and active users, did not know that, lots of room to grow the network. :) Didn't know about Discord either, just crated a account their. Do you know where to get an invite?
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Mmmm I was under the impression that you can simply create a Discord account (which is what I believe I did). What kind of invite are you referring to?
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I thought there was a Steemit group or something on Discord and that you need an invite. I already created a profile on Discord.
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Ah yeah, you're right. I'm not sure how to send invites as I've never done it before & have only been invited to certain groups...but let me ask around & I'll get back to you as soon as I find out :)
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Thank you! :)
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Great post. Iv been part of the community for roughly 2 weeks and still struggling to get my head around it at times! I ended up using my third post as an intro as I didn't do it on my first post, rookie error! I don't think it was well looked upon, but naturally did it with best intentions... there is some quality content on here to look at, but unless you are on top, you are put to the bottom and not really looked at by anyone...
Love the post, it's a lot of what Iv been thinking since I joined. With that said, loving it on steemit, and will continue to use it with enthusiasm. Got my vote 👍🏼
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Thanks for your upvote of confidence ;) Each post may not necessarily be a hit, but just keep up the hard work and it'll only be a matter of time until "you are on top." Hope this helps & happy Steeming!
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My account has been approved in less than 3 hours. So I guess it varies.
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Wow that's great! I'm glad to hear the approval process is speeding :) Mine took 13 days....
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I am new, and for the past couple of days, I have been trying to figure out how things work. Interface and lack of convenient features are not as much a problem for me as the way the community seems to operate. I am not against a hierarchical structure of things - nobody has figured out a way to eliminate the Pareto distribution style of income, power and influence yet - but I do have certain worries about the fact that you need to be busy finding connections and the right people rather than posting quality content that may take days to produce (because if you are new, you don't know how much you'll earn on your time investment).
Another worry I have is the very fact that we have a financial incentive here. First I thought it would be good, but now I start to feel like it may prompt a lot of plagiarism (that is being addressed, I hear, which is good) and short posts with little content value in them.
I think there should be interest groups and communities for them on the site and not on some third party sites, so people don't need to go through recipes and posts about bitcoins before they discover something they are really interested in (I am, for one, come with very different interests). That would be one step. I still have no idea whether we will see anything seriously researched and written on a variety of topics in any significant volume here. Or maybe I am yet to discover that - but that brings us back to the "discovery" issue again. =)
Just my 2 cents. I am ready for downvotes)
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You make some very valid points, but I do think this all depends merely on how you look at it. Establishing good connections with the right people helps builder a tighter sense of community where you're surrounded by like-minded individuals who share the same interests as you. I also think that posting shouldn't be about the money, but rather, as a means to spread/share your message with the world...the money is just an added bonus! The "discovery" issue can be improved upon, but if you're really here on this platform because you enjoy it, then it shouldn't be considered much of a burden to dig through posts with the hopes of finding something that you really connect with. I've found that those who truly enjoy being here are the ones most open-minded about learning new things (i.e., recipes and BTC posts) despite not having any previous history/experience in these niches :)
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Well, frankly, everything depends on how you look at it - unless there is objective evidence your view is false.) But I digress.=)
Well, I understand the idea of a social platform is in its name - to build a community. My point, I guess, is that SteemIt doesn't give new players to do so effortlessly. I mean, just a simple multiple choice question - if both Facebook and SteemIt rewarded you with the exact same money, would you be posting here or on Facebook? This is not only a problem of inconvenience, it is a problem when the lack of tools available to newcomers (average people) consolidates power in the hands of those who already holds it.
I do enjoy SteemIt, but that's not a motivation enough. I either dig through it or I do some research and produce content. Time resources are limited, especially if you have other work.
And I am skeptical about your observations of people's interests). That's exactly what I wanted to say - people might as well (and I would argue most likely) vote for highly voted posts or popular bloggers for the financial incentive in it. I wouldn't be surprised if most of those people don't even read them (heck, I hear there is an automatic Steem voting service for that!)
Now, this issue is inherent to the way societies function in general, so my complaining about it would be trite. But I do want SteemIt to be a better platform and I do want SteemIt to try and address it. If I could help somehow, I would, but I don't even know how - and that's another issue with the platform, in my humblest opinion. =)
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Helpful Indeed
Pls follow me
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Hi @theywillkillyou, i started my account 4 days ago, and the biggest road block i found so far is what @alex-nj said about the content quality and disparity in payouts, but yet again, i think in the long run those that make posts with more value will get more followers than those that just post memes and pictures of cats, it´s all about posting and getting the followers numbers up!
One thing i think they need is chat on here ;)
Peace
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Chat is available on a separate platform called steemit.chat check it out ;) And welcome to Steemit! I wish you the best of luck here!!
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@theywillkillyou, I quote Mahatma Gandhiji here " First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight with you, then you win"
That sums up everything.
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Haha that's a GREAT quote!!! Thanks for sharing :)
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You described the situation exact as it is.
People need more help to can sign up here. But fist of all they need to have trust. And for now this is something that depends only of them...
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Soo nice!!
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Thanks :)
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Using Steemit is easy. But easy doesn't mean that you don't need to work for it.
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I agree, it takes time to learn the ropes...but it's all smooth sailing from there :)
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I found the eSteem app shortly after signing in, and find out significantly easier than the Web interface. That might be in part because I'm used to Facebook, and eSteem gives a similar look and feel.
I can sort of understand why people come and go so fast. I've tried posting a bunch of stuff but I know that I'm no celebrity and I have no real friends here, so I'm kinda using it as a diary for fun instead. If I had unique and useful I might be able to make a mark here, but I'm not a journalist etc.
I think it would be nice to have something equivalent to subreddits in an easy browsable list, using the tags feature, but also since tags are limited to one word it limits this function.
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Hi there! I just quoted you on my latest post here: https://steemit.com/steemit/@theywillkillyou/cents-on-the-dollar-per-post-why-steemit-why
I hope you don't mind a little bit of exposure ;)
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Subreddits are a great idea! I think it's only a matter of time until something similar gets rolled out :) I like your take on using this place for fun rather than as a means to make a quick buck...and I think that's where most people are getting frustrated. They're in it for the money rather than a place to have fun & learn new things! Thanks for your input, it was really appreciated! And I hope you enjoy the @randowhale upvote I just sent you ;)
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I am a week or so into Steemit, and have read for about 6 hours about the engine and balance.....and "nearly get it" from a summary noob type of view. I worked within large software system architecture for a decade, so I can only imagine how crazy it all looks to people not tech-savvy.
But, one can just post and enjoy for months, and super slowly learn about the engine and balance.
Great article - thx.
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Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
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Another site for newbies that is really helpful is https://www.steemithelp.net
It walks you through the whole process of how to make posts, how the money works, how to rock it.
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This is really great I wasn't aware of this at all! Thank you so much for sharing :)
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Dedication commitment originality consistence if you have those you wont have a problem with steemit.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@tinashe/steemit-future-in-africa-zimbabwe-going-viral
check out my new post you may like it-
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Hi @tinashe great job spreading the word in Zimbabwe, that's truly inspiring! I really enjoyed reading about your efforts & hope to establish as many channels of communication as you have in order to effectively spread the word and help out as many minnows as possible!
By the way, did you know that when I clicked "Follow" on your blog I was your 1,000th follower? ;) Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing your post!
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Thank you very much,it humbles me to see that my efforts are being recognised.Steemit is the break through that we wanted so we are not looking back.
Thank you for the following ,an UPVOTE for you
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Thank you for your post. I have, fortunately past the stage of the entry and am now a minnow, but even so I have been in here posting for 4 days and I have had plenty of doubts about coming back to this steemit. However, since I don't have many "real life" friends or family, I have more of an incentive to stay for the conversation, for the polite and frequent comments given me by the posts that I have made. I feel that this in itself draws me back. I have noticed a steep decline in upvotes in the past day or so and I know that there has been a tiny decline in the price associated on my upvotes in some posts that I had a couple dollars noted, but now there is a trickling down of the totals as I upvote others and make my comments and resteeming. I don't understand all of this, but as I said before I try to focus in mostly in the conversation and commenting on the many posts that I find, like this one.
I appreciate you being here for people that need reassurance and to also campaign for an easier better understood platform to new people.
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Thanks, I appreciate your kind words & hope you keep coming back to this place! Please enjoy the @randowhale upvote I've just sent your way ;)
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Thank you Angelo, for the response and the upvote you sent. Keep posting and I will be there to comment, upvote and back you up.
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Hi Angelo, thank you for this post.... you got my attention as you are obviously passionate about helping this community grow and helping newbies and minnows have a better experience. And thank God for people like you..... As minnow yes it was daunting to get set up .... especially discord... But its been almost 2 weeks and I have learned more than I expected.
I very quickly realised that there is no success here unless it is collective.... and while I pushed through the frustration of the endless effort with very little reward cycle.... I dedicated myself to helping other fellow minnows.... And suddenly I went from nothing to 154 followers in three days ......
Mainly with this series of posts:
https://steemit.com/steemit/@yoda1917/how-minnows-and-newbies-can-get-lots-of-upvotes
https://steemit.com/steemit/@yoda1917/how-minnows-and-newbies-can-get-lots-of-upvotes-part-2
https://steemit.com/steemit/@yoda1917/how-minnows-and-newbies-can-get-lots-of-upvotes-part-3
https://steemit.com/steemit/@yoda1917/how-minnows-and-newbies-can-get-lots-of-upvotes-part-4
I am a minnow and I am walking the talk in these posts and living through the pain with the other minnows.... And growing with my fellow minnows....
And it is through people like you helping us that makes it possible.
I have upvoted and followed....
Please check out my posts, and if I have what it takes can you please please resteem them so more minnows can be reached and shown the ropes to a better return. And If I really deserve it ... maybe a follow and upvote on my posts Again ........
Thank you so very much :)
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Hello, thank you for sharing your posts in an effort to impart your knowledge on the community! It's people like you who make a huge impact on this place...upvoted & followed :) We're so grateful for people like you
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Thank you for the kind words and the upvote... Can I convince you to resteem this so more minnows can have access to a better experience?
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It took me weeks to familiarize myself with whats going on on Steemit, not to mention the endless hours spent on steemit.chat. And i consider myself a savvy person, working with computers for the past 25 yrs! It can be overwhelming. .. and time consuming, but to me it is fun.
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I agree, I could spend all day on this platform & be happy about it! A lot of people don't realize that if you put in the work, the money will follow. Everyone is just too focused on the quickest payouts these days that they're failing to forget about the most important message: that quality content is what's most important. Anyways, I'm glad you're having as much fun here as I am :)
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Hi again! I did a little shoutout to you here: https://steemit.com/steemit/@theywillkillyou/cents-on-the-dollar-per-post-why-steemit-why
Hope you don't mind the exposure ;)
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Personally....I don't believe the platform is ready yet.
I mean it is still in beta phase.
We need to give it time and utilize that time to firmly establish ourselves so that when it is ready for the frenzy, we are in a better position to truly help those we bring in.
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I had no idea the waiting period was that long now, wow! I've been running around compiling a list of useful posts, and including that bit about payment to @anonsteem just put you on it. You are absolutely right though, since I'm finding it difficult to gather info for new users, there is a huge lack in that department here.
To be honest I think these difficulties are intentional, interface included (which is supposed to be addressed in HF20) You've probably heard that the platform is still in beta, my personal feelings on the matter is that by not making it simple, they're ensuring that most of the beginning users are intelligent, purpose-driven, motivated individuals. They want to keep censorship in any official capacity away from steemit, and because of the quality of those the platform has not only attracted but retained, a self-policiing mechanism sprang up that works. I definitely think that was one of the agendas. Also I think they wanted to hold back the tide until they had worked out most of the bugs. (I could be wrong, but this is just what I see)
I wanted to vote on this, but it's apparently in the final twelve hours.
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That's a really good point...by making this place as user unfriendly as it currently is, it's likely "weeding out" lazy individuals looking for an easy way to opt in & cash out.
Regarding useful information, you might find this site really helpful too https://www.steemithelp.net/ Also, I really enjoyed your recent post. It was a great read! Upvoted and followed ;)
Now worries about the vote...I just wanted to say thank you for taking time out of your day to read through my content, it's really appreciated :)
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you're absolutely right. we need to make steemit a place where new comers can feel comfortable and not overwhelmed with the whole experience, and at the same time be more supportive of niche and non-steem related content. it's the only way we'll be able to attract the mainstream audience, AND keep them here.
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Well said my friend :)
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