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goldendawne (69) · 7 years ago

I learned so much from this post, mainly the comments between @webcoop and @beanz

I was just researching and reading about Steem, SP and converting to increase my pay out potential.

After reading this and the comments I have a MUCH greater understanding.

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

That is the good thing about this, it's the interactions between members. Discussing things to understand it better.

You might want to see my latest post. It might give you some ideas on increasing your pay out potential more.

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rodeo670 (61) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thank you for this informative post! I actually learned about the amount of Steem that is generated and how it is distributed among the users of the platform.

I fully agree with your post, it does take money to make money on here, and people who come on expecting quick riches usually don't make it in the long run because of their ridiculously high expectations.

Yes, we are somewhat at fault for marketing Steemit.com as a way to make money "doing what you already do for free on Facebook" and other similar hooks that people have used to get others onto Steemit.

Perhaps we can mitigate this effect by drawing them in with the monetary gain aspect but showing them and teaching them the community aspect once they've registered.

I know that's what I've been doing for all my friends who ended up joining Steemit after me, I direct them immediately over to MSP so that they can get a feel for the community and they can feel comfortable socializing and developing connections with others on here.

Once my friends started coming to Steemit, I decided it was time for me to put my money where my mouth is and invest in Steem. As of right now I've invested about a measly $200 but it's a start...I wanted to keep powering myself up so that when my friends finally came on my upvotes would be worth a few cents at least and they would see the real monetary value of my support for their creations.

I plan to continue investing in Steem for as long as I possibly can, every paycheck. I fully and truly believe in this platform and I know it will thrive if we can just treat it properly and help all the new people coming on to see/realize the community building aspect of it first.

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blockgators (67) · 7 years ago

I usually explain Steemit to people as Facebook or Reddit and always that you can earn money. I say money most of the time because when I say Steem or SBD they get confuse and then it starts a whole new conversation.

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beanz (68) · 7 years ago

Do you see the people who up-voted your post which worth $10, $5, $2 or $0.27. Look into their wallets and you will see that they invested in steem that is why their up-votes have a value of more than $0.

I'm here since the beginning. Majority of the users you're talking about did not invest money. They invested their time. I invested my time and accumulated over 10'000 steem in a year without spending any money.

Why is it not like this anymore? Because now you buy upvotes. Why is the price crashing? Because this is unsustainable. Why did the whales used to power up the minnows? Because a token distributed to many people is far more valuable than a token in the hands of a few. Hence the price crashing as all the tokens go back to the few with the most money to crash on the market.

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

You said you did not invest any money but you accumulated over 10,000 steem over the year.

If you don't mind me asking how did you get 10,000 steem? Is it from the people that up-voted your posts? How did those people got value on their up-votes?

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beanz (68) · 7 years ago

That's what this used to be believe it or not. We got paid for adding value to this community. The same value you add, except you're now expected to pay for upvotes. Which doesn't really pay you much at all.

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

That is good you managed to get that much steem from just posting good quality posts.
But the point I am trying to make is those people who have up-voted your post had money invested in the steemit platform otherwise their voting power value would be just $0 and you would not earn that much.

Just imagine this, what happens if no one buys steem or sbd? Then your 10,000 steem would be worth nothing. It's just like having a 10,000 likes on facebook that's about it.

What we need on steemit.com are people that will invest as well as post good quality articles.

If other people are selling up-votes that means people out there are buying it. The value of steem can only go up if there is a demand for it.

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beanz (68) · 7 years ago

Correction. The people who powered us up were miners. The only money they spent was on their electricity bill to mine millions of the cryptocurrency into existence and then using the power to attract thousands of users to the platform by rewarding them and hence bringing up the price of steem as more and more people believed in the project.

The problem with advising people to buy STEEM for Steem Power is that people are not also being told WHY they should buy it. NOBODY should be powering up their account in order to make more steem. That is not how this works. Steem is an active investment, not a passive one. If you invest and you just want to passively wait for the price to go up you leave it liquidated. If you want to actually actively help increase the price, you power it up and you USE THAT POWER to make steem a valuable place to be. Paying yourself with your own steem power is a very bad way to do that. That's like treating this like a ponzi scheme. And that is what the people selling upvotes are doing.

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

So what you are trying to say is we just leave the creation of steem to the miners. We should not buy steem to power up. We just wait for the miners to up-vote our post in order to have steem.

I wonder what steemit.com is like if there is a rule that you cannot bring in steem and sbd into the platform. You can take it out of the platform and sell it for other cryptos or fiat but you can never put it in the steemit platform. Which makes the steem that are circulating inside the steemit.com are the steem that are mined by the witnesses.

Tell me, why did you join steemit.com, what enticed you to join in? Is it because of the steem that you might get when your post get up-voted?

Steem is an active investment, not a passive one. If you invest and you just want to passively wait for the price to go up you leave it liquidated.

If I have 100,000 steem to invest, I think it is wise to power it up to earn interest as well. And as @dan said "steemit wallet is the most secure wallet in the block chain".

If you want to actually actively help increase the price, you power it up and you USE THAT POWER to make steem a valuable place to be.

Isn't that what others are doing? I have seen whales who are doing good to the steemit community by helping us minnows grow.

I think I am asking the wrong questions.

How about I ask you, what made steemit so great back then?

What happened, what went wrong?

Do you have suggestions that could make steemit as good as it was before, and what are you doing to contribute to make steemit better again?

What can you suggest to others like me who are new to the platform, who have no idea how steemit was back in 2016. How do we make steemit as good as it was before?

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beanz (68) · 7 years ago

So what you are trying to say is we just leave the creation of steem to the miners. We should not buy steem to power up.

LOL. No that's not what I'm trying to say I'm not trying to say anything different from what I said. You asked

How can we promote steemit.com as a good investment? How to convince people to invest in steemit.com?

As somebody whose been here through the good times and the bad I know exactly what attracts investors as I've seen them come (AND GO). They don't always stick around because too many believe they can make money by earning more steem by powering up. But actually, if you power up 1000SP you pay out 1c. That's 10c per day, $36.50 a year, which costed almost $1000 to power up. Obviously this is not the way to make a return but many people are encouraged to "spend money to make money" here and they end up helping in crashing the price because they don't understand that when you invest in steem, it is just like investing in bitcoin except that you have the power to influence the value of the network USING YOUR SP to vote in such a way that makes the social network better.

THAT will increase the price of steem, and if you want investors THAT is what they need to understand if you don't want them acting irrational about their investment.

How about I ask you, what made steemit so great back then? What happened, what went wrong?

The bear market always comes. And this causes people to get greedy because it's impossible to hold up the price in a bear market. Apart from that it was the last hardfork. Linear rewards make it very easy to sell your votes. As long as you can do that the rewards will become LESS distributed which will make it easier for whales to crash the market.

what are you doing to contribute to make steemit better again?

I already pay for my delegated SP and I use it to boost minnows. I'm also building a community and encouraging others with their own communities. I also host a podcast which is very beneficial for new users to understand how this system works. You're welcome to join
https://discord.me/votu

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josh-bctpodcast (41) · 7 years ago

I think the biggest impediments to steemit right now are the lack of mobile functionality. Especially iPhone, it crashes nonstop and won’t post jack. Next step, integrating an audio player. I post audio files to my blog as podcasts, playing snippets from the site would be great, rather than linking to my site.

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

I'm not sure we will be seeing more improvements on steemit.com pretty soon. I think our best bet or hope are the 3rd party developers, see if they can create more projects. ...

I also think that is what the STINC are aiming for which will boost their SMT... the APPICS which will be the new start of SMT and if that will successful more projects will follow suit. So this 3rd party apps will just be created around steemit.com, piggy backing on its structure.

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upgoater (45) · 7 years ago

This post has received a 57.14 % upvote from @upgoater thanks to: @skyme.

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appreciator (66) · 7 years ago

This post has received gratitude of 33.90 % from @appreciator thanks to @skyme.

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minnowhelper (53) · 7 years ago

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nettybot (45) · 7 years ago

This post has received a 12.50 % upvote from @nettybot thanks to: @skyme.

Send 0.100 SBD to @nettybot with a post link in the memo field to bid on the next vote.

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Have a great day!

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nabes (51) · 7 years ago

I joined just for fun and to learn new things about the blockchain and what people from around the world have to say.
i dont really care about the payouts, cuz mine never break $1 so whatever, its still free thou!

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

if you love what you do like writing articles that is great. The pay out is just the icing on the cake.

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nabes (51) · 7 years ago

nah, i dont care much for writing articles, im an artist i paint stuff, walls, trains, cavnasses and so on. like i said im just here to learn, read and comment on peoples comments

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

Okay let me rephrase what i said, if you love what you do like being an artist, learning, reading and commenting on peoples comments thats great. The pay put is just an icing on the cake

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nabes (51) · 7 years ago

true dat

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theshopologist (25) · 7 years ago

Has anyone heard of Compumatrix - Henry Banayat - He took 50 of my bitcoins on video on behalf of his financial company compumatrix -stating he would trade them for profit. I have been trying to get them back since September and he continues to say he will send but never does! Stealing 50 bitcoins is not honorable - stealing the profits and lying is not representative of his public statements! The space needs to weed out thieves to protect the community.

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

why would you give 50 bitcoin to someone you hardly know to trade it on your behalf...toinks

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

I feel sorry for you.... I just went to their website an it looks suspicious already...
I think you got scammed

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bellyrub (60) · 7 years ago

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minnowsupport (70) · 7 years ago

Congratulations! This post has been upvoted from the communal account, @minnowsupport, by webcoop from the Minnow Support Project. It's a witness project run by aggroed, ausbitbank, teamsteem, theprophet0, someguy123, neoxian, followbtcnews/crimsonclad, and netuoso. The goal is to help Steemit grow by supporting Minnows and creating a social network. Please find us in the Peace, Abundance, and Liberty Network (PALnet) Discord Channel. It's a completely public and open space to all members of the Steemit community who voluntarily choose to be there.

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pushup (51) · 7 years ago

38.73% @pushup from @skyme

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compumatrix (46) · 7 years ago

Great post @webcoop! Speaking of which, Don't forget to follow, upvote and resteem the posts of the mother of e-commerce law in the Philippines, Ms. Janette C. Toral @janettetoral ... let's give her a warmest welcome

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

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compumatrix (46) · 7 years ago

That's a serious accusation from @theshopologist when she's the one who messed up her bitshares account by changing/experimenting on her Active and Owner Permission which led to her inability to access her account. You don't mess around a decentralized account and your control over it. Now she cannot authorize any transactions to withdraw her assets out of the bitshares dex platform.

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rocketsteem (0) · 7 years ago

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

I hope that long term plan of your will be successful... good luck..

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