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therealwolf (75) · 7 years ago (edited)

Edit: I've thought about what I've written and while I still believe that huge amount of bought upvotes are somewhat irritating for the user to determine if that post has real value - the things I've wrote were too harsh. Let's create on something positive instead of being destructive!

What the actual fuck? Have you taken a look at the github pages from steem(it), busy or utopian? If you would have, then you would have realised that there are a lot of people doing a lot of work to make 'your dream world' come true.

The funny thing is that the lack of actual value in your post and the amount of useless rumble of thoughts without a line isn't what pisses me off about your post.

What pisses me off is: the fact that you bought votes worth over 140$!

You blame steemitinc, busy and all the developers that they're not doing their job (which is not true) - and instead pump your post with an incredible amount of money - which truly has, in my opinion, a value of max. 5$.

How about you start looking at yourself and the post you've written, before you start putting the finger on others..

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ntony (55) · 7 years ago

Good points! I guess the info about the votes should be presented at the beginning of the post, for more visibility.

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

A notice like saying

"I have used up-vote bots on this post to increase visibility only and not for any other reason"

Is that what you mean?

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ntony (55) · 7 years ago

Yes, I was thinking that the author should make a notice he plans to use up-vote bots for his post. Also the devs, maybe could make the voting info available on the post preview, before the post is opened, here :

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

If you see that it is up-voted, promoted or boosted by bots you probably say "not worth reading".

Always don't judge the book by its cover. I always look at the title of the post and if I see it is interesting I read it. I don't really look at the value of the votes made, because it could be upvoted by whales or bots which does not really have anything to do with the value of the post.

Also the devs, maybe could make the voting info available on the post preview, before the post is opened, here :

That could be an update for "steemit more info" by @armandocat

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

It's all good mate. I don't really take things to heart over here. We are all different people and we all have different opinions. So things like this I don't really call it fighting, maybe heated up discussions or discussions with a passion.

I still believe that huge amount of bought upvotes are somewhat irritating for the user to determine if that post has real value

Dollar signs (pay out value) don't really have anything to do with the quality of the post or article that is posted because I could be a whale and upvoted myself for 50$ them my other whale friends and relatives who got me on their auto vote will also give me 50$ each. Then there are also these upvote bots.

So yeah in my opinion the posts that are on trending or hot don't mean it is all good quality articles.

Since you touched that subject and you are irritated with it. Maybe you can suggest something to me how to make this tactic of mine better.

Every time I have money for the steemit platform I go and buy steem or sbd at the exchange. I then transfer it to steemit.com.

Now instead of powering up all the steem in one go. I decided to use it to promote or boost my posts using upvote bots. I look at it as hitting 3 birds with one stone.

I am investing in steem (by buying steem at exchange)
I am using it to promote or boost my posts
I am helping out the guys who owns the bots minnowbooster, buildawhale, etc by using their bot

I believe in steem and the future of steemit.com that is why I am investing in it little by little as long as I have money to put in.

So yeah let me know if my way is harmful to the steemit.com and please tell me how. And please don't stop there, suggest something, something I could do better

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therealwolf (75) · 7 years ago

I understand that. Again - I was too emotional. Should have taken a step back and looked at the situation - you're just trying to get you message out. And it's a flaw in the system that one can manipulate the trending page so much.

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igster (63) · 7 years ago

Now that I think of the issue with buying votes, should we as a community set up an account that burns all the steem used to buy upvote? Sent sbd could be used to buy Steem and burn. This would benefit the whole ecosystem rather than select few.

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

Sent sbd could be used to buy Steem and burn. This would benefit the whole ecosystem rather than select few.

Could you please elaborate more on this, I am a bit slow in the steemit ecosystem.

How can burning all the steem used to buy up-votes benefit the ecosystem of the platform?

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igster (63) · 7 years ago (edited)

The overall supply of Steem would diminish, Steem would become more scarce and by doing so raising the value of every Steem in existence.

Essentially what people are doing by buying upvotes to get into trending page is what Steemit Inc should have provided by default, but now we have this promoted tab that no one visits making it useless.

What gives Bitcoin its value is that there will be only 21 million of them, ever. Steem has somewhat high inflation currently so little deflation won't hurt, it would rather pique the interest of investors.

If Steemit Inc isn't willing to fix the promoted feature, maybe we can do it together so everyone benefits. But I'm not sure if there's a way to burn Steem, anyone know if it's possible?

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ntony (55) · 7 years ago

Maybe send the Steem you want to burn to an inactive whale. Wouldn't that be like burning it?

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igster (63) · 7 years ago

I can be inactive and you send Steem to me, sure :)

I'm sure you get the point. It needs to be 100% certain that the funds are gone. No trust required.

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dustinaek (28) · 7 years ago

You sir are a savage, and you have warranted a follow from me.

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

Aww you only like savages? How about me, a gentle, kind hearted soul.

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therealwolf (75) · 7 years ago

haha - appreciate that!

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rawdawg (61) · 7 years ago

Thank you for pointing this out. . .funny how you didn't receive a response.

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therealwolf (75) · 7 years ago

Well, I wrote this in the first place as a statement. He prob. has a good reason why he did it - everbody has their reasons.

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selected (58) · 7 years ago (edited)

Ohh boy! :) Do you use some browser widget to know how much was the vote power of the users?

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modemser (62) · 7 years ago

nice to learn with you guys , i hope it will work out :)

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

What will work out if I may ask?

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simondocherty (52) · 7 years ago

The more and more I think of it (and yes I have used them in the past), the more I despise upvote bots. I will not be using them anymore and didn't on my last post a few days ago.

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

Well they have given us these tools to use so let us use it for goodness not for evil.

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roji.abraham (52) · 7 years ago (edited)

@webcoop: Look no further for the potential of steemit than just see how this post itself has fared.

While you are extremely sceptical of the potential of steemit, you still earned $165 in rewards simply for sharing your insights here - which other platform wold provide such a reward system that makes it worthwhile to post your opinions and insights and as long as people find it valuable, gets rewarded? None really.

To put things in perspective, as a blogger and , I have posted great content over the years in various platforms - Blogspot, Wordpress, Facebook and none of them even earned me a penny! I've written countless 1500 - 2000 word articles educating people on various things, sharing ideas and knowledge on a host of topics and this one post has outearned my 12 years of earnings. Truly ironic, isn't it? :-)

Also, I often get annoyed by this whole "moon moon" thing - seems everybody on any cryptocurrency only wants the moon without sparing a though to see if that platform is constantly creating value and solving real world issues :) ... When currency/token simply rises for no reason, that creates a bubble.

Steem may not be shooting through to roof today, but it has a solid foundation in place - an ecosystem that makes it worthwhile for a user to participate in social media in actual monetary terms. When more projects are built on steem, and the potential keeps getting realised, the token value of Steeem dollars will appreciate.

I am one such user who is willing to wait and be just stay happy creating good value content and getting a readership till that happens. A platform like steem is invaluable for somebody like me who spent more than years creating original blog content and never got rewarded apart from gaining a handful of likes on facebook - Steem gives me the assurane that my time and energy accounts for something in the and and that's why I'm on it. :)

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

yes you nailed it there. The problem is this is mainly for bloggers. Bloggers who wants to make money for their blogs.

When a good quality post will only earn a few cents, a non blogger at heart will just quit because they will say spending few hours making a good quality article for a few cents is not worth it. That few hours spending creating blog could be spent somewhere else better.

That is the reason it is hard to get a wider audience because steemit is limited to only bloggers. We might just have to wait until a better version or another site that will actually create or implement a social media functionalities before we invite others.

But that don't mean we stop inviting other to steemit, we never know we might make them a better bloggers than they think they are.

About the investors, people do invest in steem and steemit due to it being the first to couple social media and cryptocurrency and we are looking at it as there is a future for it. It might not running as a bull right now but it might one day when more and more apps and website adapt to its structure and using steem.

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foovler (63) · 7 years ago

The problem is that there are people abusing their voting power if they don't agree on contents. Get rid of flagging and steemit will be a better place.

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

It's a catch 22. If you remove flagging more spam will come out or plagiarism.

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foovler (63) · 7 years ago

Well that sux

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greatness96 (69) · 7 years ago

You really nailed it here, @webcoop. Most times I really wish I was a developer. Steemit has really opened a wide business opportunity to designers and developers. I guess I need to learn these things. @greatness96

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

I wish I am too, would be nice if I know how to do this things programming and what not. I'm not sure what the deal with steemit.com if anyone can clone it for free and put in their own improvements, like an open source (if that is what they call it).

We have busy.or, zappl, steepshot and utopia and if those will become successful they could monetize it and become millionaires.

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stuvi (41) · 7 years ago

Is amazing how at this point, this kind of tools exist and there are people trying to cheat. maybe steemit is the gate to new tools like this. but now the people should start learning how to use it..

Thanks for the post!

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

Is amazing how at this point, this kind of tools exist and there are people trying to cheat

Cheat in what way?

people should start learning how to use it

Maybe the have learnt how to use it well that is why they are using it.

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keks (56) · 7 years ago

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

Thanks

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heart0048 (51) · 7 years ago

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

You are welcome

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julesdan (54) · 7 years ago

I'm new to the community and really enjoying the platform! Hopefully we the Steemians all benefit!

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elassri (38) · 7 years ago

Good job

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

Thanks

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serenoblues (53) · 7 years ago

I think you are on to something?
So what are your thoughts on Facebook? Zombie world? 😋

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therealwolf (75) · 7 years ago

good job choosing your quality content...

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inalittlewhile (54) · 7 years ago

There's a whole internet out there you can work on. It doesn't have to be all on steemit. In fact, that proposition seems rather silly.
To a brand newcomer, this post tells me to run away. Thanks.

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

Which propsition is that if I may ask?

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inalittlewhile (54) · 7 years ago

The proposition of working only on steemit. I want to be building my own websites, not just working on someone else's.

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rawdawg (61) · 7 years ago

How come you haven't responded to @therealwolf ?

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

I have a good response but too long. Busy at the moment with work. I will be posting it later

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

I have replied

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dante01 (59) · 7 years ago

talk about that... this post savagely turn tides...
Good pointers @therealwolf

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

I have replied therealwolf. Have a read and join in with the discussion if you wish.

this post savagely turn tides

In what way?

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dante01 (59) · 7 years ago

Today, as much as we knew tech era did well... then social media era took place and sky rocket everything... This platform turns tide in social media history... merging with the crypto-currency idea it became a wide array of possibilities thus changing lives.

Otherwise if not this is only like myspace and friendster that after few years of reigning it shuts down.

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ohi786 (46) · 7 years ago

what it means anyway!!

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

which topic?

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spinbot (53) · 7 years ago

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arcange (73) · 7 years ago

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joshua-golbuu (56) · 7 years ago

Hi @Webcoop,

I'm @joshua-golbuu, or Josh for short and I just joined @TeamAustralia / #TeamAustralia a few week ago (I moved from the islands of Micronesia to Australia to study and live here).

I just wanted to drop a note to say hello.

As I'm new to Steemit, I don't really get how things work yet but I do appreciate your perspective on the Steemit world. Thank you for sharing.

I don't have many recent posts because I just finish my last exam on Friday, but I very much like to get to know everyone in our team. Hope we will meet on Steemit.

here is my re-intro with more details: https://steemit.com/teamaustralia/@joshua-golbuu/from-micronesia-to-australia-my-journey-re-introducing-myself-to-teamaustralia-and-to-everyone-in-steemit-after-my-exams

Peace ✌ & 💖 love!

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bulut (25) · 7 years ago

The world is old.

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

not steemit world

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iamlee (25) · 7 years ago

neat good job

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webcoop (63) · 7 years ago

Thanks

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