That&#x27;s all folks!

clayop (73) · 8 years ago (edited)

Because we now can use @jesta's leaderboard for free?
Author Leaderboard
Curation Leaderborad

Add: You now can decline payouts, so if you are willing to serve the community for free (like jesta).

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lifeworship (66) · 8 years ago

why should the community be stopped from rewarding the efforts of someone who provides valuable content? i keep seeing this presented as a viable option, it is not. continuing to give people things for free engenders dependence and weakness. a vote is a small acknowledgement of the value someone receives. without it complacency and resentment are bred. if someone cannot vote for something from which they gain, so be it, but @masteryoda was providing something that i want to reward and see more of, so why should a powerful downvote take away the choice of us all to better the community how we see fit? the powerful downvote has a right to their opinion. why should this extend to the suppression of the voices of hundreds of other steemians?

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clayop (73) · 8 years ago

Why should the community pay while the same service is provided for free? Should we use our limited reward(currently under $20k per day) for a service that is free in other place? See that jesta only got $300 for his leaderboard service announcement, and he will provide the service without any additional charges. While masteryoda's leaderboard is still valuable, it surely is overpaid compared to jesta's (its marginal cost is zero)

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aizensou (65) · 8 years ago

The problem is that anyone could easily replicate @masteryoda's work now by using @jesta's leaderboard. It's a good series, but somehow it becomes redundant now. It's like robots have replicated many works of human in many industries.

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lukestokes (75) · 8 years ago (edited)

I’m personally and viciously targeted.

Can you help us know which definition of "vicious" you're using here?

Vicious:

addicted to or characterized by vice; grossly immoral; depraved; profligate:

given or readily disposed to evil:

reprehensible; blameworthy; wrong:

spiteful; malicious:

unpleasantly severe:

characterized or marred by faults or defects; faulty; unsound:

savage; ferocious:

Might there be another option? Maybe those with influence on this platform think your daily payouts are too high for the service provided and are using the only mechanism available (the flag) to lower the payouts and leave more in the rewards pool for others creating original content? I'd hope people flagging your post would also leave an explanation and it saddens me they have not.

This is the second time you've said you would quit Steemit, the first being when your photo curation (which some saw as copying someone else's photo curation) started getting flagged to lower the payout.

Maybe less drama and more reason would be helpful here. I think your daily stat posts provide useful information. I also think they are often rewarded too highly compared to other quality content I see with few or no rewards. When you take this as a personal "vicious" attack, instead of a more reasoned approach about network payouts, from my perspective, you're coming across as ungrateful for the rewards you are getting and for those who do appreciation the content you create. It sounds like you're just in it for the money, not the community.

I hope I'm wrong, and I hope people who flag you and anyone else will explain themselves.

Edit: For those who do value daily rewards information, you can always get it here on demand thanks to @jesta.

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contentjunkie (73) · 8 years ago

"Maybe those with influence on this platform think your daily payouts are too high for the service provided and are using the only mechanism available (the flag) to lower the payouts and leave more in the rewards pool for others creating original content?"

Bingo!

"It sounds like you're just in it for the money, not the community."

I don't even see a problem with anyone being in it for the money they should just set their expectations realistically. In theory anyone getting rich off Steemit is giving back to the community somehow regardless of motivations. If rewards are going out the window with no benefit to the community then there needs to be some investigation and tweaking of the system.

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lukestokes (75) · 8 years ago

I'm all about realistic expectations, for sure. And yes, you're right about the money motivations not necessarily being a bad thing, but I also think, from a game theory perspective, people like to reward cooperative actors more than selfish actors. I'm not saying acting in your own self interest is bad, just something to consider from a game theory perspective. People would most likely vote up content from authors who are truly more concerned about the benefit of the whole network than about their individual reward slice.

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aggroed (78) · 8 years ago

those who have Steem in this community are in no place to make any moral arguments about how it should be distributed... 0.03% of the people have 97% of the Steem. Fuedalism called. It wants to know how Steemit figured out this wealth distribution.

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lukestokes (75) · 8 years ago

Are you implying having Steem Power is automatically immoral? Can you explain your reasoning here? The wealth distribution is explained in the white paper and statements by the founders. If people feel this is immoral, why would they participate here?

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pocketechange (58) · 8 years ago (edited)

Just below this is the post you need to un-flag...
I figured you were having a hard time finding it...Thanks

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lukestokes (75) · 8 years ago

I already removed my flag. Those remaining flags are from other accounts.

I suggest you just move on. You will get downvotes here. It's part of how Steemit works. Some people just flag because they disagree about payouts or any number of other reasons. Search for "flagging" and you'll see all kinds of posts about this. If you let it bother you this much, you will not enjoy your time here.

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pocketechange (58) · 8 years ago

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lukestokes (75) · 8 years ago

Flagged for spam.

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pocketechange (58) · 8 years ago

If you can't find the flag, it's above this comment you made...

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pocketechange (58) · 8 years ago

Are you saying someone flagged me for spam... Or are you saying you just flagged me for spam...???
@pocketechange

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lukestokes (75) · 8 years ago

I flagged you here because you sent the exact same message to me and many others over and over again. That's spam. If you're not familiar with how to treat others in an online community then maybe this isn't the best place for you. Maybe this post will help you.

Don't spam or you will be flagged.

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pocketechange (58) · 8 years ago

lol

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pawsdog (55) · 7 years ago

I don't have time to scroll through the entirety of masteryodas blog, but I'm doubting that fluff posting stats got him to his current level. I bet at one point before he turned to the dark side his content was informative, engaging and testament to the hard work put forth to produce it.

I'm but a minnow in a big pond, but the reality here is that stats posts or more akin to spam than engaging content. I wrote a comment previously on a different topic where I described "Lazy Whale Syndrome"

"This may even address what I as a new user have come to see as “lazy whale syndrome”.. I’m a whale, I made it.. I’m just going to post articles full of links with the mentality that the legion of dung beetles following me will upvote in the hopes of gaining curation manna from the turd I just produced."

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contentjunkie (73) · 8 years ago

You should have broken down the number of hours you worked on those stats and the total amount you were paid. I'm willing to wager you were more then compensated fairly for your work.

Do you really think the stats you were providing weren't being overpaid? Come on. Let's be real, you got here early and carved a niche out for yourself, good for you. You had luck, timing and some foresight on your side. You had a nice repeatable formula for easy money. You reaped some stellar rewards that far exceeded the actual value of your posts. Did you think the party would last forever? Get real!

$60 a post is still a great payout for using some scripts you wrote months ago. $5 a post would still be profitable. I hope you wrote scripts to automate it, it would have been foolish not to considering you must have some programmer chops to get at the data to begin with.

Put it on a cronjob and just be happy for anything you get. It should be free money for you at this point.

This whole post sounds like you are getting mad and throwing away your money printing machine because it only prints $5 bills now.

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joseph (75) · 8 years ago

You should have broken down the number of hours you worked on those stats and the total amount you were paid. I'm willing to wager you were more then compensated fairly for your work.

What is the Steemit.com minimum wage set at?

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contentjunkie (73) · 8 years ago

"What is the Steemit.com minimum wage set at?"

Zero.

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lifeworship (66) · 8 years ago

it's not about being compensated fairly or i wouldn't be dirt poor and ready to leave too. the community spoke with their upvotes by the hundreds and 1 person decided that their voice is more important than everyone else who voted. i'm more interested in these dummy accounts i keep finding with zero posts, zero followers and zero followed that are having hundreds of thousands of dollars transferred to them and then transferred out of steemit. some have enormous steem power and don't appear to be adding anything at all in the way of content except snide comments making fun of people. my butt doesn't hurt, but if people don't wake up to the obvious corruption around here, Steemit's butt is going to do more than hurt. looking at your profile it seems you may be getting the shorter end of the stick too, unless you are just hiding it well. why defend the abusers?

please don't flag me for being honest. not that you would. i just never know.

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contentjunkie (73) · 8 years ago

I won't flag you for having an opinion. You make a lot of valid criticisms of problems in the system. At the end of the day I think it's rather foolish and butthurt of @masteryoda to stop. Even though the system has issues the system is still working in his favour at the moment.

I will be more than happy to pickup the slack. I'm already looking over his lists and figuring out what I have to modify in my data collection scripts to duplicate what he was doing. If I make one tenth of what he makes now it will still be profitable in the long run.

" i'm more interested in these dummy accounts i keep finding with zero posts, zero followers and zero followed that are having hundreds of thousands of dollars transferred to them and then transferred out of steemit."

If you look at who is voting for @masteryoda don't you find the exact same type of accounts? Isn't he being auto voted on by curation bots with large accounts from mining and witnessing? What you describe seems to be systemic and platform wide to me.

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lifeworship (66) · 8 years ago

hope i didn't fly off the handle. this stuff is starting to get right up my nose. @masteryoda is obviously good at what he does. i think if i were he i might quit too.

i have only just started looking into these dummy accounts, so, i don't know how widespread it is. i am still looking, though.

i do know that i can't justify hanging out here for much longer and getting so little out of it.
i will miss some steemians, but my learning habit is suffering here.

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dgiors (60) · 8 years ago

All that said @masteryoda is free to make their own decision. I get that you are urging them to continue as do I. That said if for whatever reason Yoda wants to take a break it's at their volition. We'll miss you quite a lot. But don't ever think you owe us an obligation.

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markrmorrisjr (70) · 8 years ago

he's not griping about the damn payout. Simply pointing out that it was not exorbitant, but the downvote still happened.

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contentjunkie (73) · 8 years ago

A rose by any other name.

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markrmorrisjr (70) · 8 years ago

Are you forgetting that the downvotes also effect his reputation score on the site? It's a bullshit move by a dictator and I for one think he stayed in longer than most would, but whatever.

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contentjunkie (73) · 8 years ago (edited)

Calm down. You're not understanding how the reputation system works. I specifically mentioned this in one of my other comments. The rep on the account is not being threatened. Ned has a reputation score of 61 and Yoda has 71. Ned can't hurt Yoda's rep score. It is literally all about the payouts on this one.

I'm all for Yoda making a post to rally community support to combat these flags but this post seems shortsighted and butthurt. I have a feeling he will be back though.

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markrmorrisjr (70) · 8 years ago

Thanks for the clarification, as for the condescension, you can keep it. My opinion is just as valid as anyone else's and attempting to manage a response to a comment you made on someone else's post that was completely demeaning and rude is ridiculous.

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contentjunkie (73) · 8 years ago

"Thanks for the clarification, as for the condescension, you can keep it. My opinion is just as valid as anyone else's and attempting to manage a response to a comment you made on someone else's post that was completely demeaning and rude is ridiculous."

There was no condescension in what I wrote, grow some thicker skin.

It's funny that you would assert the validity of your opinion despite acknowledging that it was misinformed and then somehow feel my opinion was invalid and required managing.

As for being rude, you take the cake. You're the one swearing, labeling people dictators and spreading false information. I have both complimented and criticized Yoda with valid reasoning for both.

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markrmorrisjr (70) · 8 years ago

"Calm down" when exchanged between two adults, is highly condescending. "Butthurt" is definitely rude. You're arrogant. You approach this as if from some position of authority. And I swear when I want to. Grow up. Don't post rude shit if you don't expect some rude responses.

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contentjunkie (73) · 8 years ago

""Calm down" when exchanged between two adults, is highly condescending. "Butthurt" is definitely rude. You're arrogant. You approach this as if from some position of authority. And I swear when I want to. Grow up. Don't post rude shit if you don't expect some rude responses."

You were irate over something that wasn't true. Telling you to calm down was completely rational. I'll say it again now. You need to calm down man. Now you are getting all butthurt too.

You can swear all you want but when you do so and try to call others rude you're just being a hypocrite. Butthurt is a rather inoffensive word that I also couched with compliments. It was mild compared to your rudeness.

Grow some thicker skin before you start comment threads with swearing. You obviously can't handle what you're trying to dish out.

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markrmorrisjr (70) · 8 years ago

Seriously? #steemitabuse ? Wow, yeah, I'm the one with thin skin.

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markrmorrisjr (70) · 8 years ago

For the record, you didn't need to quote my entire comment, it's right above this one. LOL

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contentjunkie (73) · 8 years ago

"For the record, you didn't need to quote my entire comment, it's right above this one. LOL"

Since I am unable to respond directly to those comments in-thread I choose to supply the context.

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contentjunkie (73) · 8 years ago

"Seriously? #steemitabuse ? Wow, yeah, I'm the one with thin skin."

I have no clue what that is supposed to mean. Are you having some kind of issue with #steemitabuse now? I wasn't involved.

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joseph (75) · 8 years ago

I do not think @ned is the one flagging @masteryoda . The person flagging @masteryoda has chosen him as a scapegoat, because he is the least to bring back retaliation from whales. The other accounts on the list are obviously targeted but not with same fury. It's time we step back and start thinking why these solutions are only a disguise to a worsening problem. I was hoping the two sides would meet at the middle, instead we are pulling further apart. Alienating some would only cause the whole to fracture, and nothing positive comes of it. If killing @masteryoda's account will make steemit a better place then I am all for it, but the truth is it will not.

I was once disillusioned with the idea that whales were the cause of all our problems, I truly no longer believe so. Maybe they are just the convenient hanger we love to stretch our disappointments on.

I said it before, the point of failure is not what people do, it's what people are able to do. You can not give someone power and expect him to use it without any set of rules. If the issues were dealt with on the blockchain, this case and others would not surface.

So now we assign a surrogate to negate @smooth's vote on an account, and with him the votes of 200 other people. @masteryoda quits, the surrogate moves to another account, or will he? How fast can you kill accounts in this fashion?

I had conversations with many people about abuse, and the conclusion is if the whales wanted to abuse the system, they can do much more than you and I think. The best solution was to bring everyone to some sort of agreement, but the path taken was opposite to what common sense dictates.

Farewell @masteyoda , Farewell @rok-sivante , and Farewell @commonsense

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contentjunkie (73) · 8 years ago

" If killing @masteryoda's account"

Hmmm reputation score of 71 with almost 65K in SP. Seems like @masteryoda's account is "healthier" than most. At this point there is no risk of killing his account with a few flags aimed at lowering payouts. The only one killing the account is the owner.

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joseph (75) · 8 years ago

At this point there is no risk of killing his account with a few flags aimed at lowering payouts.

@contentjunkie what is to stop someone from flagging your post's because they think it's overpaid, and what will your response be? Can you tell me what is the pay limit on your posts, and at what point it deserves a flag? $1 - $5 -$1000

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contentjunkie (73) · 8 years ago (edited)

You seem to be under the impression I condone the flagging. Let's set the record straight on that. I don't condone the flagging.

If I were in @masteryoda's position I would continue to post automated posts that make me money and let people flag the account since they can't affect it. His rep is 71 after all it's not like those flags are actually affecting anything other than the payout.

If whales began to flag my posts I would make posts about it and try and rally some community support behind me to combat what I felt were bad flags.

Abusive whales could be the end of Steemit if they wanted but the incentives are stacked so they won't.

As to your original point though, this account is not being "killed" so let's not pretend it is.

PS: Here is a stats list I now publish weekly inspired by what @masteryoda was doing. I'm happy with anything it makes. https://steemit.com/steemit/@contentjunkie/weekly-steemit-top-50-power-up-list-oct-8th-oct-14th-2016

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thecryptofiend (74) · 8 years ago

Yes I thought it was for the market to decide these things. Also as I stated in the etiquette guide I think it is only fair to say why you flag people when you do it. I'm dismayed by the amount of community infighting we have these days. I was hoping Steemit was different from other places. I hope we don't end up like bitcointalk or reddit.

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contentjunkie (73) · 8 years ago

"I'm dismayed by the amount of community infighting we have these days."

As the price of Steem falls I expect more and more of this.

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thecryptofiend (74) · 8 years ago

Sadly I think you are right.

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stellabelle (75) · 8 years ago

why is @commonsense leaving?

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ghostwriter (63) · 8 years ago

Can't leave, because it was never here. :)

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teamsteem (74) · 8 years ago

I just made myself his first follower.

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lifeworship (66) · 8 years ago

i do not think it is all whales. #notallwhales . i think it is a small number of people who are gaming the system and turning all the rest against each other. i have found another account, just today, that has 25 reputation, zero posts, zero followers and zero followed that is having hundreds of thousands of dollars transferred to it and then transferred out of steemit. this does not seem like it is adding value or content. a small number of people are abusing the anonymity here to take value out of the system at disproportionate benefit to themselves. if you just go look around you will see the abuse. this does not include @masteryoda and others who provide valuable services to steemit.

i, for one, value @masteryoda and the content @masteryoda brings (brought) to steemit. i don't begrudge any part of the rewards that i think he deserves. go to the trending page and explian to me how some of these jokers have provided valuable enough content to be rewarded over $50,000 in the last two months. i've gotten over 500 votes in the last 10 posts and i've made 20 something cents. apparently talking about smoking hash in one post is $150 or 600 times more valuable than everything i've done in my last 10 posts. if this is actually so than i deserve not benefiting. we'll see.

i could be wrong here, i don't think i am. if you see something strange, go look at the profile page of the progenitor of the strangeness and see what there is to see.

to the people who are obviously stealing from the rest of us, share some of the wealth with us and maybe i'll think about shutting up. maybe. otherwise, the hunt continues. maybe i should start making everything i post about the corruption that i am finding. i was raised to not be a snitch, but i'm not benefiting from my hard work, so, maybe steemit will find it of value to know the accounts that are being used to steal from them.

oh, and let me preempt the simplistic, predictable response that i'm going to get from people like contentjunkie, who are like these pull string dolls that only say "are you jelly?" grow up, look around you, the world is bigger than the inside of your head.

sorry @joseph this was not directed at you. it just sort of came out here.

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masteryoda (71) · 8 years ago

Thanks @lifeworship for saying the truth in such powerful words, I really enjoy reading you!

It seems snitches have a bright future here, many of them climbed to the top doing just that, just make sure you snitch in the right direction if you want to succeed :D

I'm calling it a day, this buffoonery have become too morbidly unfunny for my taste.

oh, and let me preempt the simplistic, predictable response that i'm going to get from people like contentjunkie, who are like these pull string dolls that only say "are you jelly?" grow up, look around you, the world is bigger than the inside of your head.

This one made my day, well said :D

Thanks again!

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lifeworship (66) · 8 years ago

never give up, never surrender. thank you. cheers.

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wordsword (58) · 8 years ago

Is @ sewerrey such an account with zero posts, it has 10.000 steemdollar steempower, i have no clue if that is much or little but he has been flagging erika harris under her artikel; If your vote is your voice.
I'm a layperson in all this internet blockchain stuff, I thought I let you know.
(isn't a sewer a drain? :)

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lifeworship (66) · 8 years ago

i an not much more than a layperson myself. i have seen a few accounts now with 25 reputation,zero posts, zero followers and zero followed, with over 100,000 steem power, and over $200,0000 transferred from other accounts and then transferred to poloniex. i don't know about @ sewerrey. keep a look out.

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kevinwong (76) · 8 years ago (edited)

Maybe just try different content and such.. bro. The landscape always changes just like IRL. I've been trying out so many businesses and if somehow the potential for returns are not there anymore, time to change it up and try to add value elsewhere. Just like I do with my posts (although I wish I have better ideas on some consistent series to produce!). Hope you stay around!

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inertia (73) · 8 years ago

What gives, @ned?

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wilmaballsdrop (59) · 8 years ago

Why are your posts being flagged?

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contentjunkie (73) · 8 years ago

While I don't condone it at all. I completely understand it. @masteryoda has been extremely overpaid for these posts for awhile now. He has amassed a small fortune from it. Good for him, he spotted an opportunity and struck while the iron was hot but it was too good to last forever.

Now reality is catching up.

PS: I don't like the use of flags on his posts I would prefer to see less people upvoting them to get the same effect on payout instead of actively flagging it.

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heroic15397 (62) · 8 years ago

Why not simply create a downvote button where someone would have to use Steem Power in order to use it? Flagging sends the message that the poster did something wrong, where in @masteryoda ''last post case'' I just can't see any wrongdoing on its part.

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sift666 (65) · 8 years ago (edited)

Now that sounds like THE ANSWER to me !

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skeptic (57) · 8 years ago

brutal yo. @ned is a douche and everyone knows it. As for @dan shit we all seen his posts about how we need to bully everyone into thinking the same way he does or they should be exiled from the place. :/
Hope they fix this stupid flagging setup because at this point there are more bots then actual people because people leave faster then they join because of the flagging.
At least my opinion on what I have been watching go on for a bit.

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lifeworship (66) · 8 years ago

@masteryoda, do you think it possible, and i'm just going from evidence that i have seen, that there could be information in your aggregated data, that could demonstrate that someone or some are siphoning money from steemit using the multiple accounts and anonymity? i may be totally off base here, but i know what i have seen. i just don't know if it is possible to implicate anyone using the data you've compiled. it seems if someone were stealing, and could be implicated, they could be incentivized to flagging posts such as yours to disincentivize you continuing. just a thought.

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jlufer (75) · 8 years ago

Do not get wrong @masteryoda not give up, recuere the story of David and Goliath (the strength of the debles) force

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thecryptofiend (74) · 8 years ago

Sorry to see it end but I can understand why you would lose hope.

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vi1son (59) · 8 years ago

Oh cmon! You give up too early!

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deliverance (51) · 8 years ago (edited)

Oh boy that's not good. This is going to get flagged too.. probably. Good Luck!

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ausbitbank (73) · 8 years ago

If you're really leaving please allow #steemtrail (or anyone) to vote on your behalf so all that SP isn't going to waste :(

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freebornangel (73) · 8 years ago

I hope you stay, the community is behind you.
If folks want to vote you up for their own reasons that is nobody's business but their own.
Anybody that uses their influence to shape the community is trying to be tyrannical over it.
Not many folks here will bow down to that.
Please stand up and we will get you supported.

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marzukibrain (55) · 8 years ago

@masteryoda i'm follow you......!

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tanchiknik (39) · 8 years ago

I did not understand: "Flag" - a local version of the "ban"?
I toko chatting wanted every one of inadequate supply in the ban, but did not find how to do it ...

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linkback-bot-v0 (54) · 8 years ago

This post has been linked to from another place on Steem.

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Learn more about linkback bot v0.4. Upvote if you want the bot to continue posting linkbacks for your posts. Flag if otherwise.

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michaelstobiersk (65) · 8 years ago

This is sad!

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ba-boo (53) · 8 years ago

Where to draw the line, hum.
On one side, sometimes the emotion of jealousy causes people to lash out and say " make it fair" , like communism.
On the other side, to actually spread the wealth so the community as a whole feels rewarded.
One may way may reduce drive but there is a balance I guess.
I should read deeper into what's happening here but to lazy, just felt like writing something 😁

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schattenjaeger (71) · 8 years ago

I'm confused. Why were you flagged?

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ajmalsoby (38) · 8 years ago

we all should live in peace and prosperity. grow together.

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pocketechange (58) · 8 years ago

Did I stumble upon something I shouldn't have... I went down from 47 to 46... That never happened to me before...
@pocketechange

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dgiors (60) · 8 years ago

Upvoting this post has the same cognitive dissonance as "liking" a Facebook post about somebody's grandmother passing away. @masteryoda I applaud your work. An upvote from me is encouragement that you have my support in your endeavors. It saddens me you're moving on from your stat tracking. Your work will be missed.

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shahzaibniaxi (51) · 8 years ago

Come on @masteryoda when you post ??

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beulahlandeu (53) · 8 years ago

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josephlwiess (54) · 7 years ago

"Ok so I woke up once again today to another flag of my statistics post which was barely above $60 in payout."
As a person who creates original content, you don't have anything to really gripe about. I write original fiction and my daily payout is barely 2 dollars and some days, none at all.
You are posting statistics pulled from a spreadsheet.
But, I guess that people like statistics more than they like fiction and that's okay.

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sohelsarowar (42) · 7 years ago

I follow you, please follow me, sir. I'm totally new to Steemit. Hope you will follow me and help me get filled up by Upvoting. Thank you so much.

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steemitboard (66) · 6 years ago

Congratulations @masteryoda! You received a personal award!

Happy Birthday! - You are on the Steem blockchain for 3 years!

_{You can view your badges on your Steem Board and compare to others on the Steem Ranking}

Vote for @Steemitboard as a witness to get one more award and increased upvotes!

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