What is considered spam or abuse? (My Thoughts About Steemit Inc's Answers In The FAQ)

in steemitfaq •  7 years ago  (edited)

Whether you are new to the Steemit platform or have been around for awhile, it is important that you understand Steemit's stance on spam and abuse.

Just to be clear, the following 13 guidelines are located on the "What is considered spam or abuse?" page on the Steemit FAQ. While the headers below are pulled from the Steemit FAQ, my responses to the guidelines are my own. (Trying not to break rule #10.)

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1. Asking for money, views, upvotes, follows, or resteems.

We have only started, and I can already understand why new users might be confused. The language being used is simple to understand, but the Steemit community is filled with in-your-face and subtle examples of this guideline being broken.

Just yesterday, I sent a comment similar to the following:
"I see that you want to practice English, I set up a new account that will teach basic English lessons. Follow me if you are interested in learning more."

Did I break the rule? I didn't think so until I read this guideline #1. What if I said, "I have set up an account that will provide simple English lessons. We would love for you to join us."

Is the problem in the use of the words money, views, upvotes, follows, or resteem? Or is this a matter of intent? Unfortunately, it is sometimes hard to judge intent.

2. Leaving nearly identical or materially similar comments on multiple posts.

Do you have a standard line that you use in all of your comments? For example, I have often closed my comment with "Keep pressing forward and keep Steeming!"

I would not be able to find all of the comments that I have written that included this phrase. We should always try to post authentic, engaging comments but I see other people who include a life motto or saying in their comments. I have done this as well and I don't have an issue with this as long as there is a personal touch to the comment.

I do have an issue with repetitive, short phrases such as "Good post." or "I like your work." because these types of comments do not pass the "Proof of Read Test." I believe that I just coined this phrase, but please let me know if you have heard it before because I do not want to break rule #10.

The reader passes the "Proof of Read Test" by writing a comment that proves he or she read the post. I do not mind comments that include repetitive mottos, saying, or banners as long as the reader "proves" that he is she is interacting with my content at a personal level.

3. Comments that are unrelated to the topic of discussion.

Self-promotion, especially when unrelated to the topic of discussion, is spam. Comments are meant to add to the conversation. Comments can be used to ask additional questions about the topic. They can also be used to encourage the content creator and other people who are interacting with the content creator. I personally believe that comments can be used to challenge a position or correct inaccuracies (but I recommend doing so with caution and with a kind spirit).

Comments should never be used to draw peoples' attention away from the subject matter. If you can not add anything to the conversation, it is better to not write anything at all.

4. Sending unsolicited links or requests to users via wallet memos.

Your STEEM Wallet is a very important tool. Your wallet provides you with the ability to make financial transactions as well as understand your earnings.

Unfortunately, your Wallet can be spammed as people try to grab your attention by leaving you notes in the Wallet Memo.

The following screenshot shows 2 unsolicited requests directed to me:
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5. Posts that require upvotes to enter or play in a contest or game.

So I have broken this one. I have not created many challenges or contests, but I did ask that people upvote my post so that it would increase the reward. Sorry guys! I spammed you.

This seems to be a specific application of rule #1, which prohibits asking for money, views, upvotes, follows, or resteems. So if you are interested in creating a contest, be sure to follow the appropriate guidelines.

I have seen some recent posts that say something similar to:
"An Upvote, Follow, or Resteem is not required to follow this contest, but it would be appreciated."

That seems like a proper work-around to me. What do you think?

6. Sending users a link to your blog or a post if it is not relevant to the conversation.

This is a specific example of what we already discussed in point #3. If you don't have anything valuable to add, then don't write a comment, especially one that includes a link.

A link adds value when ...

  • it adds to the conversation of the original post
  • corrects misinformation
  • brings additional information to light that is related to the post, but not included in the post

7. Posts or comments that include little or nothing more than an offer to trade follows or upvotes.

I will repeat this again. If you do not have anything valuable to add to the conversation then don't write a comment.

"Trade for trade" or "upvote for upvote" is not a meaningful addition to any conversation. Steemit is not like other social media platforms. When you abuse the system, other Steemit users can downvote you which may impact your earnings but even more important impact your reputation.

Use your comments to serve others, not to be self-serving.

8. Using tags that are unrelated to the post.

Tags are like a directory that connects similar content. They are an important part of the Steemit system. If you are not using tags properly then you are probably not getting exposure to your content.

It does not make sense to include a "beach" tag for an image of a mountain. A "mountain" tag makes more sense. A broader tag like "nature" would work for both.

Tags are supposed to be specific. You can use broad tags like #steemit, but be careful not to get lost in all of the noise a broad tag.

Abusing the tagging system is not cool. Abuse occurs when people try to use a trending tag that does not relate to a post as a way to get more people to their post.

Another point to consider is that some communities in Steemit create tags that represent their goals and vision. If you do not follow the community's guidelines for their tags then they might receive pushback from their members and leaders.

9. Threatening users with any type of physical violence.

I really wish this point would not have to be included. It seems obvious that we should not threaten any type of abuse.

Steemit only references physical violence. I would like to add that emotional and psychological bullying should not be allowed.

Differences in opinions should NOT be viewed as threatening or as bullying. We need to learn to speak civilly to one another. I appreciate how Steemit allows various viewpoints and opinions to be expressed.

Both personal expression and protection of others should be valued. As hard as it may be, we need to strive for both.

10. Not citing sources when using someone else’s material.

We need to give credit where credit is due. It is not shameful, but rather honorable to value other people and their work. Citing sources is required for both information and photos.

One of the easiest ways to cite a source is to include a link. For example,[source](www.steemit.com/@SumatraNate) would look like source and would direct you to my Steemit blog.

I use this method when I source within my post. For photos and images, I prefer to cite the references at the end of my post. I normally include a header called Image Sources: then list the links to the images I have used. You will find an example of this type of citation at the end of this post.

Pexels.com and Pixabay.com offer images that can be used for FREE. Even though these images are free to use, they still need to be cited properly.

11. Posting ‘not safe for work’ content without using the “nsfw” tag.

If you are posting sexual or crude content, be sure to use the nsfw tag. Let's protect each other in our work environments and make sure that children are not being introduced to inappropriate material.

12. Selling or offering to buy votes/resteems/follows, or schemes that facilitate this.

Houston, we have a problem! So we are not supposed​ to buy or sell votes, but there are entire systems set up on Steemit that encourage us to do so?

I have used bidbots. There is no reason for me to lie about it. And you could have found out that I did if you wanted to.

Do bidbots fall under this guidelines or does this just apply to personal transactions? The waters are getting a little bit muddy.

What is interesting to me is that Steemit seems to identify this type of behavior as spam. So operating a bidbot service or using one make us Spammy. Is it immoral or illegal? Not sure of that answer, but I believe that the bidbot debate will continue.

13. Scams or Fraudulent offers.

Hey guys, stop trying to rip people off. Stop selling one thing and then delivering another. Let's use the Steem ecosystem to build each other up instead of tear each other down. If we can validate the use of Steem within our own community, we have a better chance of making Steem mainstream.

If we work together, we will all benefit together.

Final Thoughts

Let me know what you think about the Steemit FAQ guidelines regarding SPAM and Abuse.

  1. Have you read the SPAM guideline before?
  2. Do you agree with all of the guidelines?
  3. What changes do you think should be made?

@SumatraNate


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Nice post, cute photography @sumatranate! <<< haha
upvote me <<< ho ho ho
follow me <<< hehe

I read everything from that menu and the white paper and such sometime soon after I signed up. Do I specifically remember reading these? nope ::shrug:: All that reading was kind of a blur back then. Information overload...

  • Speed limits are set by a few representatives of the people supposedly to protect the people and keep them safe. The problem I have with that statement is when I have to go 10 mph over the speed limit to keep up with the flow of traffic. Apparently that is the will of the people and not some random limit set on what we can and cannot do. So apparently we can no longer call the rule setters representatives, since they do not represent the will of the people.
    • So re: #5 and #12 are just a couple of ???silly??? rules that most people do not agree with.
      • re #5 If I'm giving away something, why can't I set the rules? Especially if I'm giving away from the payout of the post, there is nothing wrong with asking for an upvote. People don't expect to win the lottery without buying a ticket, why is this any different?
      • re #12 I think it quite obvious what the will of the people here is. That it is quite OK to sell or purchase votes. A few people have appointed themselves sheriff and will punish you if you happen to purchase votes not according to their standards. That's just wrong. They are the ones who should go to jail for ASSuming powers no one has given them.

The whole problem situation boils down to Steemit is anarchy. The only rules you must abide by are those implemented in the software. Ex. You cannot upvote within 12 hours of payout. There are no other rules except those which people try to force you on. If you are a big enough player, no one can force you to do anything, so for you, there are no rules.

  • That does not say there won't be consequences if you break a "will of the people" rule. You will likely get flagged for a downvote if you are too obnoxious.
    • So until if and when government is set up on Steemit anarchy rules.

Let the will of the people be King!
Long live the King!

BTW please upvote my latest gardening post
SMH I can't believe people actually think this strategy might work! haha!!!

Thanks for the comment. I see that you enjoy having some fun. You make a great point that the enforceable rules are those set by the software. I would advise that we try to follow basic principles of kindness and generosity, but to be honest, not everyone is on board with that and each of us as individuals are not 100% onboard with it all of the time.

I appreciate your to-the-point, sarcastic response​. Always nice to meet someone else from the Show-Me State. Have a great day!

I just really don't get people who post those types of comments... Just poking fun at them a bit... haha

Yes, I agree, we all should treat others as we would like to be treated. I've seen a few come and go who thought otherwise... Steemit just didn't work out well for them since they never learned to play nice with the other kids. It's unfortunate that if you have enough SP, you don't have to play well with others...

State of Misery... what a crazy place to live huh? cold cold winters and hot humid summers with pretty nice springs and falls (all 2.46 weeks of them!). haha
Oops I mean Missouri...

Cheers! Have a great weekend!

At first, I was thinking, "This guy isn't getting the point." Then I realized that everything was so over the top that he completely understands.

We do indeed have crazy weather!

I had been asking for upvotes for contests before, but then I read an article by @simplymike about the guidelines. So, I made it optional. In the end, it doesn't really make a huge difference to the reward!

Making the upvote optional is wise. I wish you the best with your future contest.

Yeah, I have read the guideline. I read it whenever I am in a need of a good laugh lol. I agree with the guidelines even though I too have broken a few in my days. The problem is there is no police figure. Noone is making sure if people follow those rules or not. That is what we need, a steemit police or some sort of consequences for breaking the rules because there are none at the moment.

You bring up a valid point. Just because a guideline is written does not mean that it is enforced. We might differ on this point. I am not sure if I want someone who fills the police role. Someone with that much power could use it for bad, just as much as for good. I like the idea of people supporting posts and causes that they agree with.

If we did a better job of mentoring the newer users, I feel that some of these issues would decrease. Thanks for stopping by. Much appreciated.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us about the Steemit guidelines. I get very frustrated when people break rule #8 and #10. I run a weekly initiative and the tag itself specifically states 2 things...if you do needlework you post using this tag on Mondays. We get quite a few people posting irrelevant topics under the tag and all throughout the week instead of on Monday’s. Now some I know can’t always post on Monday but I’m talking about those who don’t care and use the tag as they please.

I’ve been on Steemit long enough to spot fraud and plagiarism right off the back. So I am always watching to make sure people are posting their original work and not copying and pasting others work and claiming it as their own. We have had several people do this and have called them out and shown proof that their content belongs to someone else...they haven’t used the tag again.

It irks me that people join here trying to make a quick buck off of someone else’s hard work. I will not support such nonsense.

Also thank you from mentioning about the nsfw...I think that is so important especially so people’s kids will not be exposed to that stuff.

Great post! 😊

I know that you have created a special tag for your project. Since I have not created anything that I would on regularly, I am not as passionate about this point ( but I do see its importance).

Tags in general are really important and it does not seem that most of our users know how to use them properly.

Plagiarism, on the other hand, is something I definitely can not support. This is not just a steemit issue for me, but in all aspects of life. People need to be acknowledged for the work they have done. I have messed up a time or two in the past, but I am trying my best to honor others.

A new level that we don't often talk about is citing sources of inspiration. What if someone's post inspires you to write a great post? if you don't use their images or content, do you need to include them in your post? As a sign of respect, I can see this taking place​, but I am not sure if a legal issue.

Thanks for stopping by! And keep up the good work as you keep your movement going.

It does seem quite a few users do not know how to use the tags properly.

I totally agree about plagiarism in all aspects of life.

That is a good point about sourcing inspiration. If someone has given me advice I source them. If I have gotten ideas from another person I try to remember to give them credit for that as well. I too think that is just as important. It’s all about building each other up~ 😊

Thank you so much! I plan on keeping up with it ;D

Yes you are right @sumatranate, but I think when we are in good relationship we might drop a single word comment like "good!", is that considering as spam as well??

I have read the guideline a few days joining on this platform but I found many user do not go accordingly. Especially when witness suggest to support them at the bottom of their post

In my thought it is really grey, but some of them still stick with the rules.

Regards

I think that two friends may be ok with a simple word like "good." The problem is that everyone is also watching their public conversation. The whole community is watching and judging what we do.

I agree that there are not many people who follow all of the guidelines. One thing that I appreciate about Steemit is that there is not one person who makes the rules. I also appreciate that people in our community can help us learn, grow, and treat each other well.

As always thanks for the comment.

Hi Nathan no worry, because I consider that we are close friend, aren't we??. Yes I agree that other community member will see all the comments too

Yes, we are close. You have been a great supporter of my blog and I want to be the same for you. The problem is that when our conversation is posted on Steemit, then other people can downvote what we say to each other.

It is not likely that someone would do it, but it is possible.

#12 immediately pops out at me wow. Vote selling services classified by the FAQ as abuse. Interesting indeed, and you are right that there's pretty much no way to enforce it even if everyone agreed on that (which we don't). But yeah, not going to have that debate here haha but it is worth mentioning...

It is an interesting point. I know that there is no a consensus​ on this matter yet. I guess only time will tell. Unless it is forbidden by the program, I think that bidbots will be around for a while.

They can serve a good purpose. But sometimes they help bad people do bad things. I guess that is true about most things in life.

thanks for sharing, will read it after my stream! :-)

You are welcome. Hope you enjoy reading it later.

I have no more information about this. But you have prepared two accounts. Your presentation is very good.

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us about the Steemit guidelines. I get very frustrated when people break rule #8 and #10. I run a weekly initiative and the tag itself specifically states 2 things...if you do needlework you post using this tag on Mondays. We get quite a few people posting irrelevant topics under the tag and all throughout the week instead of on Monday’s. Now some I know can’t always post on Monday but I’m talking about those who don’t care and use the tag as they please.

I’ve been on Steemit long enough to spot fraud and plagiarism right off the back. So I am always watching to make sure people are posting their original work and not copying and pasting others work and claiming it as their own. We have had several people do this and have called them out and shown proof that their content belongs to someone else...they haven’t used the tag again.

It irks me that people join here trying to make a quick buck off of someone else’s hard work. I will not support such nonsense.

Also thank you from mentioning about the nsfw...I think that is so important especially so people’s kids will not be exposed to that stuff.

Great post! 😊