SteemPoll v2 beta release and improvements poll

steempoll (52) · 8 years ago

Option:

Add the ability to raise and track funds directly through SteemPoll leveraging Steem’s escrow (multi-signature) features, establish fundraising deadlines, and returning of funds to donors in the event the minimum is not reached

Please discuss this option below via comments.

You can see results on www.steempoll.net

$4.63

8 votes

steempoll (52) · 8 years ago

Option:

Improve poll statistics

Please discuss this option below via comments.

You can see results on www.steempoll.net

$3.40

arhag (67) · 8 years ago (edited)

How about a metric based on the MVESTS of the accounts (not delegated, but the amount actually owned) that upvoted (by any positive percentage) the option as of the time that they voted? Even with payout declined (I know 2 of the options didn't decline payout because of a bug) I don't think users should have to waste their voting power to vote on a poll. And a MVESTS metric would help the community understand what stakeholders in Steem think about certain issues in a way that actually corresponds to what changes may actually be approved (via witness voting for future hardforks for example). With this metric, however, it would be wise to close the poll within 7 days to avoid abusing poll results by moving Steem Power around to other sockpuppet accounts (for that matter the existing shares metric would also be vulnerable to that if the poll was open for several weeks). Speaking of which, there is no current capability to have the poll end by a specific date (and have the tallies frozen in steempoll.net at that time), is there?

By the way how do you handle the situation where a vote is removed (or downvotes for that matter)? In the case of the MVESTS metric proposed above, you would have to record the MVESTS at the time of voting for each vote so that if they were to later remove their vote you could properly deduct the right amount from the tally.

$0.00

good-karma (76) · 8 years ago

Thank you for input @arhag!
For now participation is major factor, we want user to be able to participate without hassle of using other site, but use what UI they are daily using. And vote with ease. Initially when I proposed bit different changes and plan was to use custom_json and have custom built-in voting mechanism and that in itself is not difficult task, but participation would be difficult. Current model is still not perfect and requires voting power! But poll owner/creator basically can decide what factor they want to make decision from (vote count means net votes, reputation is average reputation of voters, stake is delegated one for that vote). I am thinking to use external db (steemsql, steemdata) to get account stakes which should be easier than making dozen steemd requests for each account, that should be much better representation of Stake chart. db can also be used for deadline oriented polls to close data collection. I am really looking forward for more input and perhaps find better way of increasing participation. I have also thought of iframe embeddable polls but those are not reliable and secure. What would you propose to increase adoption and easy usage, participation? I thought of having token and giving them out to incentivize the participation, poll creators would create market for that token, still not sure if that would be viable.

$3.21

arhag (67) · 8 years ago (edited)

Yes, I understand why you designed it this way. But if I understand correctly, the only metric that isn't Sybil vulnerable right now (well at least within a narrow time window like 7 days) is the Shares metric, which depends not only on the user's MVESTS but also their voting power at the time they vote and voting percentage they choose for the vote. A metric based only on MVESTS, although a little harder to calculate than Reward Shares, means that users can vote on each option of the poll with 1% voting weight (like I did for the option above) and have their vote fully counted while wasting the least voting power (actually technically voting weight of 0.01% would be the least allowed amount but the steemit.com UI currently does not allow that level of precision).

Yes, I think the DB approach is the right way to go. I think it would be nice to eventually have iframe embedded polls with nice UI. I'm not sure why you are saying that it wouldn't be secure. The problem with that, however, is that steemit.com and every other client would need to whitelist the domain. Another option that may actually be better could be to come up with a standard for describing various types of polls that Steem clients can adopt. The data, following the standard, that describes the poll could be encoded in JSON and set as a value to some attribute in the div representing the poll that you already ask the user to embed in the post. Then supporting clients (you could start with enabling it on eSteem and then if it gains popularity maybe steemit.com and other interfaces will also adopt it) could read that data and generate the poll UI, while non-supporting clients would just ignore the div as steemit.com currently does. Even in non-supporting clients, users could always still vote manually on the comments as I did, or alternatively use your external website (in fact you could put a link to the external website hosting the poll within the div, and for supporting clients they would simply render the poll UI rather than rendering the contents inside the div). It would be important to define an appropriate and well documented standard for the polls and add versioning support so it can be upgraded over time without breaking clients that have not been updated to support the new version by having them think they can render the UI of a poll using new version features when they really cannot and should not.

Personally, I am not a fan of the added complexity of a token. Perhaps if/when Community Tokens (CT) are supported on the Steem blockchain it will make sense to integrate support with those for the polls (for example polls weighted based on the amounts of a particular CT the voting accounts hold), but prior to that I am not sure it would add any value to add tokens into mix in terms of helping adoption or ease-of-use.

$3.05

14 votes

good-karma (76) · 8 years ago (edited)

By not secure, I meant iframe injects the script that can be hacked and it is very sensitive subject. But you are right, if whitelisted it can be implemented. Communication between an iframe and parent document is not always possible, they should be within same cross-origin...there are some workarounds but I believe those communication layers are not supported by all browsers, which limits its usage to view only. I believe view only is useful to see statistics/result of the poll...

$2.73

carface (63) · 8 years ago

Adding a poll feature like this would be great, really expands the option of a single post!

$0.81

eric-boucher (68) · 8 years ago

What a great update and information package on this powerful tool!

Thank you so very much for sharing. I was wondering if the users fee will come to change as the value of the Steem will also shift? I think it is a good idea to have some fee for its usage too, especially for the development involved in the processing and general development. Great job!

All for one and one for all! Namaste :)

$0.59

steem.engine (51) · 8 years ago

Nice! Been hoping for something like this for a while. Twitters poll integration is pretty nice, albeit limited. Would be a good interface to get ideas from

$0.27

13 votes

good-karma (76) · 8 years ago

http://beta.steempoll.net is external yet leveraging Steem features, you can quickly generate poll and receive embedding code which you can them put under any post you are making anywhere (steemit.com, busy.org, chainbb, esteem, etc.) Options will be published separately under you post so people can vote and discuss each option. You can then go steempoll site to check stats and make informed decision.

$3.32

happy-doge (51) · 8 years ago

This update is great good-karma. Being able to see poll stats and discussions through the project's posts/comments will definitely allow for wider visibility to other users or target audience.
It's also awesome to know that it's now free to use.
You're rocking this good-karma! :)

$0.27

good-karma (76) · 8 years ago

It is beta of v2 and might have occasional bugs, so I urge people to test out and run experimental polls. You can get stats like what's average reputation for each option, number of votes, voting stake, etc to help you decide. You can also check discussion under each option to know what people think about it.

$2.65

2 votes

happy-doge (51) · 8 years ago

Got it sir. I'll test it out when I think of an idea or a topic and I'll report to you regarding bugs that I encounter.

homeartpictures (73) · 8 years ago

This sounds very interesting to my friend even though I do not really understand it. I do not think I need to know the necessary....

$0.26

13 votes

good-karma (76) · 8 years ago

It is simply creation of poll that you can embed to your posts and get crowd input. It can be anything, question, project ideas, feature requests, etc. :)

$3.47

5 votes

homeartpictures (73) · 8 years ago

Ah understand. Thank you very much my friend...

taufar (57) · 8 years ago

Again and again you post useful information. #steempoll is one important thing in this platform. Always do your best @good-karma. Step by step this platform interest many users.

Esteem User
@taufar

$0.20

slowwalker (80) · 8 years ago

Thank you for your efforts

$0.20

rymlen (68) · 8 years ago

Another really cool project @good-karma. I think this can even be leveraged as an investment decision making tool. The knowledge level on crypto here is just too high :)

$0.20

good-karma (76) · 8 years ago

Yes, Project is wisdom of crowd as well as help other projects to grow and get donations/funding, etc.

$3.41

6 votes

zikri (53) · 8 years ago

A very remarkable project, yes I did not ask much, but it's really cool

xdark21 (50) · 8 years ago

i want steemit to be in the top 10 best crypto this year...Up Vote for Steemit

14 votes

robertdurst10 (58) · 8 years ago

Cannot wait for this! So many times I want to ask people questions about something, so I release a post and then I usually don't get any responses because most people are too lazy to comment. But, if all they had to do was simply vote, I believe response rate would be so much higher! Thanks and Steem on!

good-karma (76) · 8 years ago

No need to wait :) http://beta.steempoll.net is already available with above features, give it a try ;)

$3.33

6 votes

robertdurst10 (58) · 8 years ago

Just made my day lol

$0.00

reggaemuffin (66) · 8 years ago

I suggest you enable steem-connect. I don't want to paste my private key all the time. That would make it seemless.

$0.13

good-karma (76) · 8 years ago

Thank you for suggestion, Yes, there is a plan with future updates ;)

$2.80

olegst (65) · 8 years ago

Interesting project! :)

$0.13

tamsguitar (67) · 8 years ago

Great idea. Since it will also include crowd funding for projects thus i was wondering if product promotion of freelancer artists or individuals may have a place here as well. It's just an idea, you guys can think about the feasibility .

$0.13

carloserp2000 (54) · 8 years ago

Interesting publication congratulations

mashilomj (27) · 8 years ago

Returning of funds to donors in the event the minimum is not reached is a relief to me. Awesome article overal

sunbahri (47) · 8 years ago

Many hands to success
I also want to be the same as you all need. True, or not? Follow me @sunbahri

digitalplayer (58) · 8 years ago

so useful - up up

cyberblock (65) · 8 years ago

This will be a great tool that can improve the Steem community big time! I'll be in on this project :)

nitinchugh (54) · 8 years ago

nice post
upvoted followed resteemed

voltairev (31) · 8 years ago

Very informative thank you.

arcange (73) · 8 years ago

Congratulations @good-karma!
Your post was mentioned in my hit parade in the following categories:

Upvotes - Ranked 3 with 608 upvotes
Pending payout - Ranked 2 with $ 834,37

2 votes

lautenglye (54) · 8 years ago

nice....your post deserve upvote and resteem....

nitza (49) · 8 years ago

Amigo , he visto los comentarios a mi parecer entendí a pesar de no ser tan ducha, hay claridad y consistencia en el post

mericanhomestead (65) · 8 years ago

Very cool. Creation of a poll that can be injected into a post, Right? I'm really interested in SteemQ and it would be cool to see that incorporated into that video platform as well. Will be following! THANKS!

engraqin (48) · 8 years ago

Nice updates lol
gonna love😍it

afriaulia (56) · 8 years ago

Nice !!!

chrisaiki (63) · 8 years ago

I just create a poll and I still have to transfer 0.01.
Which doesn't bother me at all. It would be fair if you catch a % of the reward people get from the poll.
But where is my pool ?

good-karma (76) · 8 years ago (edited)

Please use, http://beta.steempoll.net !
http://steempoll.net is old version with fee, above doesn't have any fees.

@steempoll publishes the poll if you used v1 which is http://steempoll.net

But if you use new beta version, you will have to embed poll to your own post.

$3.24

adriansky (70) · 8 years ago

Man you always come up with the best ideas making steem more and more user friendly for the user thats what makes this community so unique!

stop by my last post i took some Ariel of San Francisco have you ever been?
https://steemit.com/yourcityvibez/@adriansky/yourcityvibez-ycv-1-san-francisco-aerial-photography-blood-sport

chrisaiki (63) · 8 years ago

Option :
Add the id of the poll's creator on steempoll home page

gmuxx (67) · 8 years ago

This looks brilliant, great idea! I have a few ideas where I could use this

Thank you

team101 (61) · 8 years ago

Looks to be a great help in building traffic.

https://steemit.com/steempoll/@chrisaiki/do-you-plan-to-use-steempoll-in-a-near-future

chrisaiki (63) · 8 years ago

good-karma (76) · 8 years ago

Great 👍 it look like options are published on your post as comments which means it is working... future improvements are coming soon 😉

$3.06

chrisaiki (63) · 8 years ago (edited)

It would be nice if you could add the " show result" button as another comment, with a link to the graphic of course !

bobskibob (60) · 8 years ago

brilliant embed polls here. going to try it out now :D

good-karma (76) · 8 years ago

Great 👍

$2.76

bobskibob (60) · 8 years ago

@good-karma quick question do i post the

on markdown or in raw for it to work sorry dont want to get it wrong

$0.27

good-karma (76) · 8 years ago

Doesn't matter, just putting it inside your editor should work fine! :)
Will consider making a tutorial, but product is not ready yet and might change some functionality ;)

$2.76

2 votes

bobskibob (60) · 8 years ago

i tried it . it dint work lol i must be doing something wrong had to edit my post . if u have 5 minutes please have a look at it tell me what did i do wrong. my post about upvotes

https://steemit.com/steemit/@bobskibob/should-upvoting-your-post-be-disabled-poll

good-karma (76) · 8 years ago

Is this a post?

if so, you don't have poll embedded inside your post.

visit: http://beta.steempoll.net
Navigate to New and create poll with question and options
After submit, you will get small script which you should add it inside your post content.

$2.77

bobskibob (60) · 8 years ago

yes thats the post. originally i did all that but had to edit it because poll dint show . is it posible to see the original post ?

it looked something like this .

Should upvoting your post be disabled –POLL

Should upvoting your post be disabled

$0.00

good-karma (76) · 8 years ago

I just checked the history, it seem like you have included poll. That's strange, Can you add back same embedding script and edit post? I will check if something was wrong... Thanks

bobskibob (60) · 8 years ago

i think a tutorial is needed for nobs like me hahhaha

$0.00

nulls (54) · 8 years ago

Right improvement, good luck

$0.06

happyphoenix (66) · 8 years ago

Nice improvement, thank you ! :)

$0.06

freedomnation (57) · 8 years ago

Good!

$0.06

steempoll (52) · 8 years ago (edited)

Option:

Further development of discussion feature

Please discuss this option below via comments.

You can see results on www.steempoll.net

$0.00

steempoll (52) · 8 years ago

Option:

Project update page: a dedicated page with the latest updates and news about a given project for users/investors

Please discuss this option below via comments.

You can see results on www.steempoll.net

$0.00

13 votes

baconaught (2) · 8 years ago

@good-karma

$0.00

1 vote

jingis (41) · 8 years ago

Very nice, yesterday I was thinking about that Steem needs something like that :)

$0.00

ades (65) · 8 years ago

This is a great program of friends

$0.00

vm2904 (64) · 8 years ago

@good-karma
I was wondering about the polling capabilities of Steemit platform. I am a minnow who wants to host interesting contests supporting wildlife and deforestation cause. One of the ideas was to host a poll comparing interesting funny animal pictures.
Since I am only 7 days old, I am still learning the ropes. I will study your blog in detail and also learn some more about steempoll. Thank you.

$0.00