The Steem Power You Earn for Holding Steem Power

in steempower •  6 years ago  (edited)

Many newbies here don’t realize that you earn Steem Power simply by owning Steem Power. But even most folks here who do know that don’t understand it correctly. They probably think of it as interest, but it’s not (more on that later). And I’m pretty sure that only a tiny percentage of people here understand exactly how much they’re making.

I joined Steemit 16 months ago and was absofreakinglutely clueless about its inner workings. You posted and, after a while, would sometimes earn some Steem Power. A few months later when I had been looking at my wallet, I’d noticed my (tiny) SP balance, went to my Feed page, and then had gone back to my wallet. To my surprise, my balance had increased by 0.001 SP. What the heck? And so started my long path down the rabbit hole trying to figure out what was going on. I quickly learned that I was earning interest. Much later, I learned that I wasn’t actually earning interest on my holdings (hint: your real holdings are in terms of Vests rather than Steem Power) but prior to learning that I muddled along trying to understand by what percentage my Steem Power was growing “just sitting there”. And the further down the rabbit hole I went, the more I learned that many things I had assumed to be true simply weren’t.

In this post, I’ll show you how much you’re making on your SP today and explain why that percentage is constantly changing.

Since I’ve gone down the rabbit hole, I’ve done several posts on the subject, most recently three months ago:
Do You Earn Interest on Your Steem Power? Yes, and No. Implications for Muslim Steemians.

It includes links to earlier posts I’d done on the subject which show some of the ways I’ve fine-tuned my understanding of the value of holding Steem as Steem Power and a link to a post by @lukestokes where he discusses why the Steem Power you earn for holding Steem Power is an adjustment for inflation rather than interest per se.

And the wording of the Steemit FAQ has changed to reflect this difference. A year ago when I first started looking into this, it had said “STEEM tokens that are powered up to STEEM Power earn a small amount of interest for holding.”

But now, the FAQ has somewhat clarified that, removing any reference to interest and simply says “15% of the new tokens are awarded to holders of Steem Power.

Straightforward as that might seem, it allows for some fuzzy thinking. In a long comment to Luke’s post, I dug into why it can be a bit confusing even though true to say that 15% of created tokens go to holders of Steem Power. In this post, I’ll show how the interest that’s not interest builds at a higher rate than most people might assume.

In the very early days of Steemit (yes, when dinosaurs walked the earth), Steem had an annual inflation rate of 100%. You read that right. But it didn’t last long. As the FAQ says,

Starting with the network's 16th hard fork in December 2016, Steem began creating new tokens at a yearly inflation rate of 9.5%. The inflation rate decreases at a rate of 0.01% every 250,000 blocks, or about 0.5% per year. The inflation will continue decreasing at this pace until the overall inflation rate reaches 0.95%. This will take about 20.5 years from the time hard fork 16 went into effect.

So Steem’s inflation rate is constantly falling. We’re now more than a year and a half beyond December 2016 so Steem’s inflation rate has fallen below 9%.

While it’s easy to think of one’s influence on Steemit and the Steem blockchain in general as a function of the Steem Power you hold, under the hood it’s really about the Vests that you own. One hint about this is what you need to become a Minnow, Dolphin, etc. Many here mistakenly think along the lines of it takes about 500 SP to be a minnow. No, it takes exactly 1,000,000 Vests to be a minnow. The amount of Steem Power needed to be a minnow is constantly rising, but the number of vests needed is unchanging. You can go to steemdb.com to see how much SP equals 1 MVest. Write the number down. Look it up tomorrow, and you’ll find that the number has gotten larger. That rise is a function of Steem’s inflation rate. The Steem Power you earn for holding Steem Power is nothing more than an adjustment for inflation. Metaphorically, Vests are gold (representing immutable, unchanging wealth and power) while Steem Power is the paper currency that is used on a day to day basis in lieu of that underlying asset. At some point in the not distant future, 499 SP will represent 1 MVest. Later still, 501 SP will represent 1 MVest. Think of Vests as a real asset and SP as a derivative.

The formula for determining the current rate of Inflation for the creation of Steem tokens is

(978 - (head_block_number / 250000)) / 100

Go to steemd.com the for current head_block_number value. Right now it’s 24758710 so

(978 - (24758710 / 250000)) / 100 =

978 - 99.03484 /100

= 8.7896516%

is the Steem inflation right now as I’m typing, but by the time you read this, it’ll be a little bit less than that.

If you earn Steem Power for holding Steem Power and the holders of Steem Power get 15% of newly created Steem, it’s tempting to multiply the 8.7896516% inflation rate by 0.15 to come up with a bit more than 1.318% as how much your SP grows “by just sitting there”. Not a huge amount, but probably more than your bank is paying on your fiat. But it’s the holders of Steem Power who get that 15% of new token; holders of liquid Steem (or SBD for that matter) get none of it.

How much Steem exists? Surprisingly, there’s more than one answer to that question.

virtual_supply refers to the total supply of liquid Steem + Steem Power + SBD

current_supply refers to the total supply of liquid Steem + Steem Power

total_vesting_fund_steem refers to the total supply of Steem Power

We can get the numbers from steemdb.com

Right now,
virtual_supply = 285,372,433
current_supply = 272,833,243
total_vesting_fund_steem = 193,190,165

Again, these numbers are as of when I looked but will be different by the time that you look.

virtual_supply/total_vesting_fund_steem = fnord

Yeah, I made that one up. Okay, borrowed it from the Illuminatus! trilogy.

Right now, fnord = 1.477

(Steem inflation rate) x 0.15 x (fnord)

Right now, that’s 1.947%

That’s what you’re earning for holding Steem Power.

But that’s just a snapshot. It will trend down over time as the rate of Steem inflation goes down. But notice that I said trend. The virtual_supply/total_vesting_fund_steem “fnord” ratio can fluctuate up or down depending on whether, in the aggregate, people are powering down or powering up. So if a bunch of large accounts are powering down at the same time, the rate at which you earn Steem Power because you hold Steem Power can actually increase briefly even though the Steem inflation rate is continuously dropping.

As I’ve said in earlier related posts, I’m more nerd than geek, so geeks are free to clarify or correct any mistakes I may have made in the comments below. Probably a few months from now, I’ll rework this and post an updated version.

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I was looking forward to a good explanation and understanding of how holding Steem Power is good for me, but the more I read, the more muddled I got. Not your fault though, I am one of those you have to explain things to, like a 5-year-old.

Basically, the more Steem Power you have, the more influence you have on Steemit and other apps running on the Steem blockchain. And the more SP you have, the more you can earn over time, both by getting SP simply by owning SP and by earning higher in curation income and/or self-voting.

Thank you for the clarification. Understood! :-)

I had no idea that wombats were so adept and diving down rabbit holes... but now I know. EXCELLENT work here, as usual. Take an extra C note out of petty cash, get yourself a good steak and bottle of good whiskey and enjoy the weekend... you've earned it with this one!

I hate being redundant, so I'll just say "ditto" on what everybody else said. Well done, Mr. Wombat!

This has always been kind of gray to me. This post helps, the vesting fund is where the 15% is determined. I will need to chew on this information for a while. The one thing that is clear if you dont get your vests now they will be harder to get later.
Resteemed

I don't understand why you state that getting vest in the future will be harder. Can you please clarify?

Competition. Hard Fork 20 will simplify onboarding. And when SMT’s get going, it’s quite possible that there will be many more accounts than there are now. Steem and Vests are now growing by less than 10% per year, the number of account is growing faster than that already and might well accelerate.

Thank you for this reply. I have to wonder, given this why ned would power down now? I know its his perogative but this sends a mixed message .....

He might have a zillion reasons in real life. Maybe he’s buying a house, that would take a lot of Steem.

And people here are always complaining that so much Steem is in the hands of just a few dozen accounts. If @ned sells some on the open market, it can move into new hands.

I’ve seen people here make both statements in the same post, complaining about Steem concentration, and complaining about a whale like @ned powering down. Seems like a bit of cognitive dissonance.

I feel it's a good thing personally that he is powering down. Spread out the steem among more users and help keep the price low for right now. Personally I'd rather it sit at $1 for another year giving me the chance to power up more over time at lower prices.

Nice thing is once it's no longer centralized for the major holdings no 1 or 2 people can have a massive effect on the market. This is very good for the future of the price as real investors hate seeing that a few people could in the matter of minutes crush the value of their coin.

Good in depth explanation of how it all works. Much more than I have ever dug up. I just looked at the amount of SP I've delegated or received and see how it has increased over the course of a week or month and then do the math to get it to a yearly rate. Usually around 2%, but your explanation is much more elaborate and precise.

Is it fair to say that since you are given Steem Power to adjust for inflation, but not given Steem, that holding Steem that isn't powered up means you are losing wealth over time due to inflation?

Yes. 1000 Steem powered up today will be ballparkish 1018 Steem a year from now. Not powered up, it would still be 1000.

Illuminating! Thank you! I thought new people were minnows from the beginning. I only recently realized there's a lower level, plankton. That's me. Recently I finally achieved 100SP, which was my first goal. Long way to go... This explanation, including Vests, is really helpful at my level of understanding (beginner).

Absolutely wonderful explanation! Getting my spreadsheet ready to keep track of this! I have been noticing the SP increasing as a function of the frequency of my posts as well as by me accumulating more SP.

Thanks so much. This has always been confusing.

Is this why when I delegated a little bit of steem, at an even number 10.000 and it is now being shown as 10.021? Does that mean steem you delegate out still counts toward the growth figure?

Yes. If/when you un-delegate, you’ll get back more than you put in.

That is actually pretty cool, so in 4 months my delegated 40 steem has grown by 0.177. That is all free steem. That is great. Thanks for the explanation.

So if @bashadow didn't delegate the 40 steem but powered it up in his own account would the growth still be the same @preparedwombat, i.e. 0.177?

I think it would Gill, that 40 steem is powered up steem that is what gets delegated. I would likely of over the 4 months made more because of vote power if I kept it all, but donating it out is not a bad deal at least you get a little return on it, which I did not know before this. I of course saw that the delegated SP was growing, but since mine wasn't shrinking, I never really thought about it.

I'd noticed my delegated Steem was growing too an didn't know why either @basahdow. Problem is I'll probably forget all this by the end of the week. I don't retain much of the maths side of Steemit/ 😂

It's nice to know that the Steem Power I'm holding is earning me more though.

Yeah so even on the step away days it still makes a few pennies.

Yeah so even on
The step away days it still
Makes a few pennies.

                 - bashadow


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Worth remembering @bashadow when I'm feeling a bit down with it all. 😂

Correct.

Thank you for your confirmation @preparedwombat. 😊

I think I understood a bit of that @preparedwombat. That's no mean feat with regard to my understanding of such things. 😂 Good job at trying to explain. Thank you. 😊

Short answer, hodl Steem Power.

Thank you for this post! I knew about this kind of interest but it's way clearer now.

It is a really a good explanation about the inflation and your Steem Power.