Nobody loves electric bikes more than I do. That said, as the market for them grows, their designs are starting to get a little bit overpowered. Dual motors, wattages over 10kw and other such developments are turning them into what amounts to quasi-legal stealth motorcycles.
This may be fine if they're used in the city and mingle with traffic. But what about places intended for foot traffic and conventional bicycles? Such as dedicated bike paths, sidewalks or hiking trails? The question becomes somewhat more muddled then.
In much of the world, the legal limit for the wattage of an electric bicycle motor is 250. That's laughably weak and not much good for anything. On the other hand, in my state it's 1,000 watts. Arguably more than necessary, though I appreciate the leniency.
There have been countless times when I was out riding that I called out "on your left!" or "on your right!" when coming up behind a jogger, dog walker, etc. on the bike path with the intent to pass them. But very often, they cannot hear me because they're listening to music on earbuds.
Who is at fault here? I'd say neither of us. Yet there's an obvious problem, isn't there? The situation is unsafe, and understandably there have been legal challenges to electric bikes in many countries (and states in the US) by people who do not feel safe sharing paths and trails with them.
Initially the response was draconian. NYC banned electric bikes outright for a while. Many state parks flat out banned them from entering, and that's still widely the case. Still other parks have selectively permitted bikes fitting certain criteria, on certain trails, which imo is a more reasonable and nuanced reaction.
I love to bike. Specifically ebikes, as they give you all the fun of cycling with none of the work. I also love nature. Combining the two is a recipe for unparalleled joy, familiar to anybody who reads my eBike Exploration posts. But I don't want to make anybody feel unsafe.
Besides setting aside certain trails for electric bikes, permitting conventional bikes as well but not pedestrians with the understanding that they will encounter higher speed ebikes, I think part of the solution is increased public awareness of ebikes.
That part of the problem ought to largely solve itself over time as people become more aware of the existence and usage of electric bikes, so they'll be less oblivious when walking on paths where they're likely to encounter them. This is the case in China where ebikes have been the dominant form of transport for more than a decade.
No pedestrian in China is oblivious to ebikes. They are so widespread there that foremost in the minds of pedestrians is a paranoia about ebikes that may be approaching them from behind, the sides, etc. As such ebikes in China have their own separated lanes alongside roads.
That's the first half of the solution I discussed earlier, setting aside part of the transportation ecosystem just for ebikes to inhabit. The second half is public awareness, which if China is any indication, is going to happen organically over time.
Whether law makers cotton to this two-part solution or not, time will tell. So far it's looking good. Cooler heads are prevailing and many areas with outright bans on ebikes have since relaxed those rules to permit them in certain areas, under certain conditions.
That won't satisfy everybody, but that's the nature of compromise. eBikes are themselves a compromise between bicycle and motorcycle. Between powered and unpowered transport, and a way to get into electric vehicles on a budget. That's arguably their greatest strength.
Recognition of that tremendous value proposition, being able to own an electrically powered vehicle for a small fraction of the price of an electric car, should temper discussion of ebike bans. How can we ask people to reduce their carbon footprint in one breath, then forbid them from taking the cheapest path to that goal in the next?
What other option for clean, powered personal transport exists that's financially within reach of the poor? Should electric transport be the exclusive hobby of the wealthy? It can't be, if it's going to make any dent at all in global emissions. It needs to be within reach of everybody.
Electric bicycles neatly bridge that gap. The fact that electric transport is a class issue often escapes the consideration of law makers, but with any luck as they continue to explore the issue, this aspect of it will occur to them. But enough of my thoughts on the matter. What do you think?
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@alexbeyman,
I don't know why these bikes are rare to find in my country! I think this might be a nice option, specially for the people who wish to hiking, but some practical difficulties there! Coz, there are no particular roads at those mountains!
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The “trail” should be open to everyone.If they could put a limit on power/speed output to mimic the abilities of a real person, it could be a cool way to improve access to and involvement with spaces that are currently limited. AND THEY HAVE TO BE SILENT. That would make them basically indistinguishable from pedal bikes right?
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I love ebikes for its simplicity and ruggedity. For me I would say why not? Once you are sure it has the capacity to, then go along with the flow and enjoy your ride.
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Surely there is established Electric Mountain Bike Trail Etiquette?
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Electronic bikes should not be on hiking trails because its like riding a motor cycle on the trail. Some electric bikes carry lots of power that they might not be bikes anymore
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Seems like you are lucky living in your state allowing 1k. I think one of the reason there is such a ban is the states want to protect them self against any la suits in case there is an accident, but that’s my opinion. Seems like China already solved this ebike issue.
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Kind of. Many people just disregard the law in China. They tried to ban ebikes in cities a year or two ago but almost everybody in cities used ebikes, so it was not enforceable.
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So do i, absolutely correct
Ebikes will really be a useful piece of machinery for people who love to cycle, but cant for some reason, we cant also deny the fact of it efficiency
Yes there are risks to its adoption, but looking at a place like China where its a norm, then i can only suggest proper public information about its health and safeties
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Riding an electric bike was a really nice experience for me.
One of my friend has it, and I tried it.
It feels so nice driving up the hill like you're going down.
And have you heard of Greyp bike?
My other friend works for that company, and he said that he could bring it one time, so we can try it.
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Greyp is a very premium eBike. You're lucky if you can ride one.
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It's pretty expensive.
Especially for Croatian standard.
I'm just lucky that I have a friend that's really good with Mate Rimac, owner of that company.
But, I'd rather drive their new car - Concept One.
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Me too for sure, but I already have an electric car, and it doesn't replace the feeling of light weight, power and freedom of an electric bike. Especially a powerful luxury one like Greyp. It feels like someone put jet engines on a hang glider, if you get what I mean.
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I'm really excited about trying it out, after what you said.
Riding a 2000$ electric bike felt awesome... I can't even imagine how 6000$+ bike would feel.
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We don't have e-bike in our country or should I say i haven't seen it even once. According to my thoughts maybe if possible it can be taken for hiking, but since its a e-bike wont it be heavier than the normal bicycle n be a little difficult to take it up there.... I dont have much knowledge about these stuffs cause I am the person who doesn't even know how to ride a bicycle cause I am scared😂 But i think if the capacity of e-bike is rather good to go up there then surely it should be allowed.
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Yeah they should be allowed on hiking tracks... they are ruggedly built and of course consume less in terms of cost of running . Hiking bikes runs on natural energy of the biker and this cause weariness which is bad for hiking but with ebikes. Less strength are consumed
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Popal E-volution
This one is my favorite. I am saving money for it so that one day i can ride it with my little sister.
If we think it is safe to ride Electric Bikes on Hiking Trails then we should allow it because now days Electronics bikes are really strong & safe.
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E-bikes have gained popularity in recent years. They are cheaper than other types of vehicles, easier to park, and are perfect for commuters who are looking for additional health benefits on their commutes to work. But the question is can it go all the way up a mountain.
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The efficiency of Ebikes is undeniable, and I feel it should be allowed for hiking trials if all precautions is taken into consideration for the purpose of safety.
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Agreed. The technology is too efficient and useful to disallow.
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They should be allowed but they have to use caution around hikers who should be given the right of way.
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I think they should be allowed because its is no different then any other bike other than speed or ease, it is not like you are hurting anyone. Calling out which side you are going on a person is going to have problems with both. I certainly think electric bikes allowed to use bike paths side walks on the other hand I don't really know about the speed for a side walk being so narrow could be a little more hazardous than a regular bike.
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I think you and other people are overthinking it. Just post speed limits. Jogging trails should probably have 10-20 mph speed limits, depending on the width, and bike trails maybe 25-30 mph. I can easily get a single speed up to 20 mph on a straight away, no electric assist. Downhill, I can get it a hell of a lot faster. Considering most aren't geared properly to really allow pedal assist at top speeds, most electric bikes are about the same as a normal bike. Maybe a bit faster. Once you get over a kilowatt, you're starting to get into motorcycle territory, and they should be limited in speed while on bike trails.
They aren't motorcycles though, so they shouldn't be outright banned. They're the same size as normal bikes and don't produce any fumes. For the handicapped, they might even be the only option for prolonged bike rides.
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Electric bicycles are less noisy and are simple and why could not they cycling on hiking trails? There are many cycling lovers who would like to do this :P
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i like ebikes as well even though in my country it is not that popular.But it is definitely a way to enjoy a ride with much less effort
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It is also the cheapest powered personal vehicle that is non-polluting. Governments should realize this and encourage their proliferation instead of getting in the way. But I do admit some consideration is necessary for how to safely integrate them into society.
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Well said.I couldn't agree more but you need infrastructure for that.And governments mostly see ebikes as an obstacle and not as a possible solution
I can only imagine my city with many ebikes.You would see happy faces again...but who cares for that...not to mention the pollution you just said
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In EU, regulations made e-bikes completely undesirable to me:
As I can easily achieve 25 km/h on average than I would just carry around all that heavy electronics.
In my utopian world, e-bikes would be on the roads, but in their own narrow lanes, cruising at 35-40 km/h. Cars would pass them with no danger, pedestrians would be happy. Everybody would be happy.
But... Bosch wrote the law.
e-bike I would like to have
http://www.greyp.com/
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Rimac sure does make some beautiful machines. Shame about the draconian ebike laws in the EU, a buddy of mine went ahead and built a 1kw ebike anyways figuring the cops wouldn't notice or care. But they did, it was confiscated within the week. They are much more savvy about ebikes than they were a few years ago.
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Electric bikes are not bad, I might get one myself. I'm just a poor bloke so I can afford only normal bike lol.
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" As they give you all the fun of cycling with none of the work" - Haha I could say the same only that I have never actually tried one. We don't have one available here :(
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i just know one thing that is
ebikes are wonderfull!
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I think in everything and above all... Safety should come FIRST... If it's not safe then it shouldn't be used regardless ... PERIOD
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once we safely integrate them into society
ebikes will be quite useful.The increase in the use of such automobiles instead of the ones which work on diesel and petrol will definitely keep a check on air pollution. we should start using more of such commodities and encourage others to do the same.
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i really like ebikes. but the right for pedestrians should also be given, how it should be.
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I really agree if the electric bike is issued. because the bike can make the air population not polluted
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Essence, friend Alex. Many things must evolve to return to their essence, to their origin, society has the perception of technology without thinking that not everything modern is better than the original.
The bicycle does not escape, being its origin the transport without energy, its benefit to keep us healthy in its practice, to install an engine is to change it completely, do not worry the same man who today invents a machine in a while will make it again original.
Regards !!
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great, fact that electric transport is a class issue often escapes the consideration of law makers,;;;
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In my area no one would support new lanes, the bicycle lanes only get used a few months a year and I don't know if e bikes and cyclists would get along. Cars and ebikes probably wont mix either. We have nice bike trails here but I think motorized vehicles are banned though I think rules are more against dirtbikes rather than e bikes. Society should adapt to new modes of transport everything being banned is lame.
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I'm so tired of working like a madman. I should probably get a bike and drive beyond the horizon.
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i love ebike too much.riding on it is really amazing experiencem
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E bike is the coolest thing ever. Your bike being a great example. I fully concur with you.
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Yes absolutely..!!
And probably this is the best option.
Cheers~~
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