RE: My accounts are on the Hive blacklist

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My accounts are on the Hive blacklist

in steemworld •  5 years ago  (edited)

AFAIK the blacklist was strictly who voted in favor of the sockpuppets (i.e. pushed us into a corner to force the HF). I understand the problems around it and I hope it can be resolved later on. We just had to move fast for now.

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We just had to move fast for now.

Moving fast seems to be the new normal. First shoot them, later let's see, if they were enemies or friends. There are accounts on that list who invested much time and money into Steem. It cannot get more sad than that.

Your sensationalism is causing my left eyelid to twitch and I'm trying really hard to stay calm.

Let me ask you something and I need you think about this.

When I voted for what I believed in, did I know I would — at some point in the future — know, that I would be receiving an airdrop?

No. I didn't know that. I had no way of predicting an outcome like that. I did not vote for an airdrop, because it didn't exist.

You, and many others, made your choice, just like everyone else. Deal with it.

P.S. I really like SteemWorld. Thanks for all your hard work.

They still have their Steem. Why would they want Hive? That's not what they wanted. Money comes into the picture and all of a sudden everyone wants to pout about their own personal decisions that they were fine with 10 minutes before that list was published? What's sadder? Tell me. They wanted something else, not Hive. So why should they suddenly care? Money? Greed? Selfishness? No integrity? Which one is it? Tell me.

1 type wont get, those who dont care

I have heard 2 types who may get:
Philosophical dispute
Mistake

Can be each divided into
greed
genuinely interested in hive

I think steemchiller had philosophical dispute and is genuinely interested in hive.

Id vote yes give airdrop.

"Divide and conquer the world" is their mission. Many who are taking part are not even aware of this fact. I have seen enough.

Is that a fact or is that sensationalism?

Who would be creating a division with a statement like that?

As for the airdrop problems. I think he can settle it like a gentleman.

Many worker bees blindly followed and continued to work for the same old self-chosen kings as before.

Is that an accurate description of me?

I don't fucking think so.

Can we just end this? Please? Can everyone just move on? That's all I ask. I'm upset. I'm sick of this shit.

Yeah, this post was definitely written to be sensational. However, I was just trying to look into why he supported some sock puppets. He is no enemy of decentralization and doesn't seem driven by greed which my two important qualifiers. Some actions do seem to me to have been made in poor judgement.

I do think the 'worker bees' reference is demeaning (better than a drone I guess) and there have definitely been a lot of nasty words thrown around. Poop slinging is, unfortunately, a common debate strategy.

It was a spicy way to write his last post on our combined chain, but I don't think it was over the top. However, Hive will be a fresh start for all. I'm leaving some of my baggage behind. I will absolve my sins and become born again as a member of the hive. I hope the people who want to jump aboard the train also consider this.

By accepting the airdrop, it means we are interested in the future of Hive and support decentralization and the removal of the Steemit Stake from centralized control (okay most people just want more money). The past is in the past, I hope.

There will be proposals written by people who didn't receive an airdrop. I can't imagine this post making a good proposal. However, I do hope he makes a sincere effort at a Hive proposal when he is ready. Steemworld offered us non-tech people a deep look into the inner workings of the blockchain. It's a unique dapp created by a unique dapp person. I think he could fit in better on Hive than Steem if given a second chance.

I'm seeing folks who actively participated in a Sybil attack on a blockchain now wanting to get paid for it. This is ridiculous.

He writes this post, in this manner, to cause an uproar, and blames everyone else for the problems.

I'm done with this garbage. I spent weeks watching this nonsense and barely said anything. This place is lucky I didn't explode weeks ago.

What's done is done. Everyone get over yourselves. Carry on with life now. I'd like to think we're better than this.

I'm done talking here.

Correct, even if we accept his premise for jumping in, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

I'm probably dense for jumping into this one. I like the unapologetic types. There are a few people begging for forgiveness, with literally nothing to say for their actions and they aren't even worth my time.

I'm done with this garbage. I spent weeks watching this nonsense and barely said anything. This place is lucky I didn't explode weeks ago.

Only a passionate person who cherishes Steem/Hive would say this.
It will all be over soon. 4 more hours I think.

Don't let them fool you!!!

There are accounts on that list who invested much time and money into Steem. It cannot get more sad than that.

Yup, my hardwork for 2+ years will be locked/nullified on the launch of Hive.

I'm also in the list for following a proxy witness.


I guess the devs will not look back on the code (about the list) as they have a lot things to prep for the launch...

who invested much time and money into Steem

So stay on Steem. Why not?

@steemchiller there is a handful of people on the exclusion list who I would support in a heartbeat if they were to post a proposal to appeal their exclusion. You are at the top of the list.

Not sure that I can agree with you choosing to vote for sock puppets even for a reason you thought was good. But, let the person without sin cast the first stone, mistakes get made.

To me, that doesn't erase all the hardwork and contribution you've given the community. Please consider submitting a proposal and give the community a chance to speak in your favour.

I wanted to post proposal for the appeal but the ironic fact is that I don't have that 10 HBD to make ke it!!

Now I'm trying to gather as much people as I can so that they can vote on the proposal and our voices can reach the community!!

@steemchiller I like the explanation. Truth always visible late but not possible to hide forever.

I am asking you @therealwolf , what kind oft advantage do you have, to take normal user out, who once voted for Tron Witness? Are you afraid that we small users will take over the new Hive Blockchain????? I voted the Tron witness first, because in my eyes it was not right that you freeze his ballance. But as well i didnt agree with the latest censorship moves from Tron. Both side have dirty on the leg, you always must be remember that in your mind.....!!!!!!!!

So i am asking you again @therealwolf, are you Witness afraid that we small users who are long time before Tron here on Steemit, that we take over the new Chain???? Only because we voted once for Tron?!

If this is not raccismuss , than what it is?

  ·  5 years ago (edited)

This is a new chain. No one has been "taken out".

Everyone still has their Steem. People who didn't contribute to destroying Steem and causing a group of volunteers to do a hell of a lot of work just to recover something of value for this community (decentralization) are also getting free Hive. Those who helped destroy Steem (even if they may have, also, supported it, as we all did) are not getting free Hive.

This is a new chain. No one has been "taken out".

But they have been denied of their rightful stake on that chain by a metric a dictator set because they figured out both sides were dirty and they'd rather sit on the fence?

Forked off chains are new chains, they do not owe anything to users of the original chain. You did not lose anything by not being given free HIVE tokens.

  ·  5 years ago (edited)

You actually did. Because now, your accounts are on a duplicate chain with all of your past contents. You have the keys to that account and the only thing missing are the coins. You lost something. Naturally, the coins would be yours but you lost it because someone ran a code with the intent to exclude people like you.

No you did not. You DO have a right to demand that your content be removed from their network or even the account to be removed. But you DON'T have a right to own property within that new network.

You have no rights over what chains get generated from the origin chain. If you decided today to make your own fork of Steem and remove me from getting any coins from your new blockchain you did nothing evil or terrible against me. You simply decided not to incentivize me to participate in your new network.

I would clearly not join your new network unless it was somehow so awesome that I just had to join. However, nothing was taken away from you because it was a brand new network that you have no legal rights or claims to.

This makes better sense.

There is no "rightful stake". All stake on the Hive chain is new and no one has a god-given right to it. Steem coins and stake are unaffected.

I do not get it why I am on the blacklist too. Never supported the sockpuppets.
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