Trouble #14 Fighting where we stand!

funbobby51 (59) · 7 years ago

I had to stop watching when he said "illusion of private property"

freebornangel (73) · 7 years ago

If you want to be free, you are going to have to reject all the programmng that made you love your slavery.
Not just the no brainers, but the ones that require effort.
http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/pierre-joseph-proudhon-what-is-property-an-inquiry-into-the-principle-of-right-and-of-governmen

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funbobby51 (59) · 7 years ago

I am as free as a bird, I can't think of anything I cannot do. I like my property so I am going to disagree with that particular Frenchman.

estimate those which society thinks of making hereafter; add the ideas concerning property held by all theories in common; interrogate history, and then tell me what will be left, half a century hence, of this old right of property; and, thus perceiving that I have so many accomplices, you will immediately declare me innocent.

Well half a century and then another whole century went by and we still have private property.

freebornangel (73) · 6 years ago

Well half a century and then another whole century went by and we still have private property.

Any question he would have been right if the population wasnt dumbed down?
Most people embrace their slavery sooo tightly that they cant conceive of being free from it.
They fight to keep their masters because their masters were smart enough to train them not to read.
They mindlessly meld with the flashylight box rather than do the boring heavy lifting needed to conceive of a better lifestyle.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

No need to burn books when nobody reads them.

I am as free as a bird, I can't think of anything I cannot do.

Burn your insurance paper, take the tag off your car, dont 'click it', drive around town for a couple hours, and you'll not only find out how free you ain't, you'll be lucky not to spend the night in jail.
Resist, and you'll get worse.
Anything but licking boots is unacceptable, and you already know that.

I like my property so I am going to disagree with that particular Frenchman.

Nobody is proposing taking your stuff, in fact, if you read my proposal carefully, you will see that i propose giving you free stuff on your promise to keep working.
I figure 20k hours, but that is subject to revision.
When you are 50, you can travel the world for free.
Keep working, stop paying.

Let me state here that historical references are a guide, not dogma.

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funbobby51 (59) · 6 years ago

No need to burn books when nobody reads them.

I like to phrase it "if they want to hide the truth from people they will put it in a book"

Burn your insurance paper, take the tag off your car, dont 'click it', drive around town for a couple hours, and you'll not only find out how free you ain't, you'll be lucky not to spend the night in jail.

So is that actually what you want to be free to do?

Resist, and you'll get worse.
Anything but licking boots is unacceptable, and you already know that.

So you have been licking boots? When I interact with police it's to tell them to do things for me. They are public servants, if you are licking their boots that is silly. And when the police do the wrong thing its very easy to "resist" them, in court, not the side of the road.

Nobody is proposing taking your stuff, in fact, if you read my proposal carefully, you will see that i propose giving you free stuff on your promise to keep working.

Well then that is a non starter for me, I do not want free stuff nor do I want to work.

I figure 20k hours, but that is subject to revision.
When you are 50, you can travel the world for free.
Keep working, stop paying.

That sounds terrible.

freebornangel (73) · 6 years ago

So is that actually what you want to be free to do?

Among other things.
Mostly i want to live in a less punitive minded society.

When I interact with police it's to tell them to do things for me.

Dont get out of line much, eh?
Do you wear a tie at work?

And when the police do the wrong thing its very easy to "resist" them, in court, not the side of the road.

Right, my freedom doesnt start until the judge ok's it.
I should be happy to surrender it and abide by rules forced onto me by masters that think i should wear a seatbelt. 0.o
Funny type of freedom you got there,...

Well then that is a non starter for me, I do not want free stuff nor do I want to work.

Excellent, feel free.

That sounds terrible.

So, tell me what sounds better to you.

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funbobby51 (59) · 6 years ago

I've been riding around with a missing license plate and an expired inspection sticker from another state for like a year now on one of my cars. If you went to NH you would not be required to have insurance (assuming you have a clean record) or wear a seatbelt. You can ride a motor scooter on the highway topless and without a helmet smoking a cigarette up there if you like. It is sketchy as hell, I got hit and run up there. Driving is the most dangerous thing most people do and driving on public streets is not a right, having license plates and drivers licenses is very good. People who can't maintain a license or registration typically can't maintain a safe vehicle either and then their freedom becomes a wheel flying through your windshield causing you and your family to die. On the other hand there is no benefit to allowing bad drivers and bad cars on the road.

Dont get out of line much, eh?
Do you wear a tie at work?

No, I've learned that the police can only bother you if you let them. I already told you I have no interest in work, I'm more of a bon vivant, that's why I couldn't get into your scheme that would have required me to work.
It's all the people who live in your state who vote and participate who decided you should wear a seatbelt, probably because they don't want your airborne corpse to fly through their windshield and kill them when you decide to rebel against those damned authoritarian signs saying "wrong way" on the highway, not any "masters" ;)

I like the way we do things now here in America except we need to repeal drug prohibition and regulate drugs and repeal racist gun laws as well as legalize prostitution and carefully and thoughtfully regulate that as well. That would solve whatever social problems remain in our society that appear to be caused by government but are caused by bad government policy that was created due to racism and corruption. We basically still have Jim Crow laws in the form of drug and gun laws.

bimboola42 (42) · 7 years ago

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