A Crossroads for The Mesopotamians

in themesopotamians •  6 years ago  (edited)

I don't think it's a surprise to any of you that I've been missing my enthusiasm for Steem since the debacle that was Hardfork 20. Few of the philosophical issues raised by the hard fork process have been addressed, and instead the top witnesses are spending their time once again returning to the idea of 50% curation rewards, something that I feel exacerbates the primary issues with Steem rather than alleviating them.

The Mesopotamians was founded to use my stake to work on what I then saw, and still see, as the primary flaws in the Steem ecosystem:

  • Vastly unequal stake distribution, particularly the small number of users with psychologically meaningful votes.
  • Lack of user acquisition and retention programs that weren't pay-to-play.
  • Disinterest from the current generation of Steem leadership in encouraging the development of the next generation.

These aren't problems that need giant, system-wide changes to put into practice, and Steem seemed like a welcoming place to put them into practice. The novel rewards system here gave me the opportunity to build something to accomplish those goals, while maybe making a little money at the same time.

I'll refer to an infographic I made for a post that never ended up happening, describing the rewards flow between populations on Steem:

steempops.png

Holders refers to all Steem that isn't used for upvoting: cash, idle accounts, downvoting initiatives. All that Steem still is used to generate rewards, and those rewards go to the two categories of active users.

Miners are the people whose goal is to extract value from the system. They pass their own stake around to each other, take their share of the extra rewards from the inactives, and leak a little bit of value to the participants from inefficiencies in things like vote-buying systems.

Participants are the core players on Steem. They're the people who interact with each other, vote because they like things, post to communicate, and so one. The Mesopotamians were selected to be intense participants, current and future leaders of that community.

I believe that Steem's success comes primarily from growing the number and the collective voting power of those users in blue. That's what this system was designed to enhance. But I'm no longer convinced it can be effective.

There are lots of things that make me feel this way. Blockchain developers have demonstrated that they don't care to consider user experience in their process. When Dlive lost its big delegation, that didn't go to someone that could support users, it went to Oracle-D, whose sole purpose is to pump the Steem price. Andrarchy has been showing signs that Steemit Inc. is desperate for a price pump, and quite a few users have been doing the same. The people whose input I relied on to develop these priorities have largely de-prioritized them in favor of looking for reasons for a higher price. High-stake users are rebuilding the system willy-nilly because they're convinced it's so broken they "might as well just try something" even though they're unconcerned with the problems I outlined above.

I've seen what happens when companies start making decisions in hopes of raising the stock price instead of any deeper strategy, and it's not pretty.

But the key for me at the moment is that the switch to 50% curation rewards has been gaining momentum. This is a change that actively works against the goals above.

50% curation would benefit the profitability of The Mesopotamians quite a bit. We're currently making in the neighborhood of 3% annual return, adjusted for inflation. 50% curation would jump that all the way up to the 15% range.

But percentages aren't everything. The difference between 25 Steem a week and 50 Steem a week isn't really all that significant. The return from this program comes when this generation of users become dolphins, find it a worthwhile way to build the next generation of leadership, and support it with their stake. And so on, recursively, into greater generations and greater user numbers. The Mesopotamians is built to succeed if and only if we can generate a significant stakeholding userbase. It's also built to try to make that happen.

Under 50% curation, our "dolphin machine" is slowed substantially. The time between each generation becomes longer, and since it's an exponential process, that means that at the long time-horizon of the program, it removes large numbers of Mesopotamian graduates from the userbase. Which means less leadership for Steem, and also less financial security for The Mesopotamians. Neither of these are things I think we can afford.

That difference is enough to make me lean towards canceling the project entirely. If it's going to happen, now is clearly the time to do it; I'm in a position to return some of the support we've received from outside sources, the one delegation we're leasing is ending soon, and this is basically the last moment when unwinding things is going to be relatively easy.

It seems to me that I have several options here, and I'm going to lay them out for discussion. Feel free to add new ones too, if you see something I don't.

  1. Maintain things as they are. Lease delegation to grow the program as planned, and basically operate under the assumption that the Steem development process is so broken that it won't be changed to hurt us anytime soon, and hope somehow that either it never does or we make enough progress in that time to be worth something.
  2. Change the development path to turn it into a passive system for me. No more curation posts, no more level-up projects. Just an automatic Steem growth encourager. If I'm not spending much time on it, the returns don't look so bad, but it's much less compelling that way.
  3. Move to a different Graphene-based system with less-toxic leadership, probably Whaleshares. I still like the Graphene magic math, and what I've seen of that community indicates that stakeholders are actively looking to build leadership in the next generation. The best argument against moving to Whaleshares is that they don't really need it. (The second-best is that they're just going to have similar issues later.)
  4. Stop, cash out, and buy myself a vibraphone and a new couch. Part of why this is appealing is that winter is coming, and winter is like that, but honestly being significantly less invested here has a pretty strong appeal.

We're getting to the point where the best argument people can come up with to stay and build things on Steem is that the price might eventually moon, and one, that's not a good thing to base decisions on, and two, I don't think that's very likely anytime soon. The way Steem looks more and more desperate every day is not appealing.

If this program were just me, I'd be ending it tonight, playing around on Whaleshares for a while, and maybe developing something there if at some point I had a good idea and the price became attractive. But it isn't just me, it's made up of a lot of different users, who have their own stake in things, and those users need to have a chance to have their voices heard. So do our supporters. So, the comments to this post, folks. I'd like to hear what you think.

Include your Whaleshares username in the comments either way; I need more people to vote for there.

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i’d vote for option 2 and stay away from whaleshares. some others you may know that i look up to are @whatsup, @battleaxe, @crimsonclad, @fyrstikken, @underground that are also mentoring a person such as myself to grow to full fledged dolphin. when money is on hand i invest, i run two radio shows and starting a curation project under one of the above, i personally help 6 planktons with sp to help their RC and i feel as a community sticking together is key. we saw what happens when we do, netcoins. thank you for all you do!!

yours,
eagle spirit

"less toxic leadership" lmfao

thought you might like polymaths reasonings ...

thanks for YOUR SUPPORT! <3

thought you might have something to add to polymath and ease his concerns.

I believe I have something now...

I am not sure how option 2 would work, turning it into passive income may allow you to rest a bit. It seems you have burn out right now.
But from my side I completely agree with number 1. I feel the witnesses are too dysfunctional to change ton50 / 50 for a while yet.

not sure you replied to the right person? this was a question posed by tcpolymath not myself. we allsee things differently.

I've enjoyed much of what you have written, but this seems dramatic and punitive to me.

Voice a strong opinion, but to preemptively quit without even attempting to see if it works... (if it is even implemented at all) Seems unbecoming to who I thought you were.

We'll see, I could argue both sides of this topic.

well said, we could argue a lot of sides of a lot of topics however if you are the company you keep some who are thinking shiny glittery things are "good" prove to me that "A sucker is born every minute" is not just a stale platitude. At some points some level of ethics will be involved and that includes those who rip code and such,,, op/ed...hope everyone has a fabulous Sunday

Like anyone else, I'm a different person when my goals are constantly under attack than when I'm left alone to pursue them. I don't much like this me, either, and I see a lot more of this me in the future if I stay.

thank you that is what i looking for 👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽
whatsup never lets me down.

Oh WOW. This is deep and sad at the same time. The platform that brought us together could potentially break our small and what seemed to be growing community. I completely understand where you are coming from, it's been a tough couple of months, heck, I think toughness is all I have experienced since I started being active. In the recent weeks, especially after the HF20 things have changed for the worst I could so. The Whole RC process and payment for account creation has further fueled the lack of engagement and potentially reduced the number of active users. As a creator it feels at some point like I am making content for myself lol

Maybe things will get better After SMT'S, Maybe they Won't. At this point honestly I think the best thing is for you to follow your gut feeling, it NEVER let's you down. At least for me it doesn't. And like every other person has stated on here, whatever you decided, I will support 100%. That is what makes us a Family, We support each other through the thick and thin. I am still hopeful for Steem, Someday, probably not anytime soon, that is if another platform like Whaleshares doesn't sprout up and offer something better to content creators. It would be a shame to be a pioneer of such great technology only yo lose at the end. Damn.

Whaleshares- @elsiekjay

In the last hour or so I've gotten some reason to believe it's not as discouraging as I thought. At least I'm going to bed on a bit higher note than when I wrote this post.

I unfortunately don't know what to tell you, but reading between the lines, I'm giving you my permission (for what it's worth) to scrap it. Do what makes you happy buddy; we'll all live to tell the tale.

Man, there is one big dark cloud hanging over steemit right now; too many are ready to leave, unhappy with how things are 'progressing', or simply just sick of the BS here. Maybe don't do anything for a week or so and then re-evaluate? But I'm assuming this isn't a knee jerk reaction.

I'm in the process of getting on Whaleshares, but when I do, it'll be the same username fyi :)

Hope you find what you're looking for with this post and its' comments.

Thanks.

Maybe don't do anything for a week or so and then re-evaluate?

That's been every week since the hard fork.

If this is the case you sound like burn out has set in.
I hate to see you go but I agree do what makes you happy.
I would say go passive or cash out and enjoy the winter.

You will be misses but your personal health (less stress) is more important

I understand completely. And you're not the first to feel this way I've noticed, but you are one of the few with an awesome initiative going on.

I'll support whatever it is you decide bud. Enjoy your Saturday for starters, grab a beer, and get the hell off of here.

That's what I'm going to do now :)

My beer is of the "root" variety, but still, I like the plan.

Even better! I said I was getting off of here earlier, but with your suggestion, I'm certainly doing it now :)

I pretty much echo the first paragraph. Do what you gotta do and don’t look back.

I think you may have hit reply to me @dollarsandsense, but I'm sure @tcpolymath will see it :)

i also say 1 or 2. dont care for whaleshares, and while some people are toxic, and some are just annoying ass kissers or users, there are some people who are good honest people. there is also option 5 - start your own system. personally im here not for the profit but for the people.

Community is about all sorts of people, for better or worse, sort of like a marriage or a dysfunctional family. you gotta try to love them for the good parts and ignore the eejit parts. if you can't ignore, then detach. I still find enough bright spots to sunbathe in.

Yeah I don't know what to say, the only foreseeable price pump I see in the future comes from perhaps some final wave capital flight maybe from China or Europe occurring and pumping the price, but that might be met with the final axe being dropped on Tether by the US, so it's risky to bank on that imo. I don't know much about whaleshares, but my gut says it would be best to hold it all in something that isn't changed by crypto fluctations until this all blows over, and then moving to a fairer next-gen crypto social media platform that pops up in the future, if you're having to go that route. I can understand where you're coming from. HF20 was a huge mistake and very anti-user. Them worrying about monetizing now really damaged the growth potential.

You do you man, you've got my support. Also, US equities have been freaking tanking like a rock, hope you still had your puts in.

my gut says it would be best to hold it all in something that isn't changed by crypto fluctations until this all blows over, and then moving to a fairer next-gen crypto social media platform that pops up in the future

Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at economically. But despite those puts expiring on the 19th (bah) the money here is still really only meaningful to my life in the sense of whether I can justify buying myself expensive metallic percussion instruments. (I could get a pantam.) So it ends up being way more about personal goals and whether fighting these assholes is what I want to do with my next months, or I can find some other way out. (Which maybe I have, I'll take the time to think that through some more.)

I wish I had more confidence that a fairer - or really, just more-consensual, for me - crypto social media platform was on the horizon without me having to actually build the thing.

I wish I had more confidence that a fairer - or really, just more-consensual, for me - crypto social media platform was on the horizon without me having to actually build the thing



DING! DING! DIIIIING!!!
I think you just made a great point, I can relate :)
It is a TON of Work! Still! We are still in the deepest darkest days of Crypto,
and many are still wondering if we will Emerge into Daylight or Doom...
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Ultimately, the decision must be yours Tim. I can see where you're coming from. Things did seem to be getting a bit better a couple of weeks after HF20, but now we seem to be heading back to how things were as people get back to milking the system.

Having said that, I got a comment on my contest post (the really long one from @eoj) which made me realise just how much projects like yours are keeping user retention up. If these projects drop out I do believe Steemit will see a slow decline in users.

In a way there is potential in the 50% curation if it can encourage people back to voting for curation instead of delegating to bid bots. The consumer base on the internet is bigger than the producer base, so if the consumer base can be enticed onto here it will benefit authors as well. At the moment the only real way to earn with a small account is through posting and those who struggle to provide decent content resort to spam in order to make anything. If they could be rewarded better for being consumers, they would benefit as well as benefiting content producers.

Now I've laid all my thoughts out, I'll just say whatever you choose to do, you have my blessing and respect. I can't thank you enough for all you've done through The Mesopotamians.

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You could put a decent advertising package behind the idea that you can put $100 here, use it to pay for content, and end up with more than when you started. Could probably even paywall content to people willing to vote on it, since their vote "doesn't cost them anything."

But nobody's interested in doing that because it would mean going out and getting users, and we're supposed to wait around for the next price pump to bring them in droves.

As someone who has been a professional writer for much of my adult life, one way or another, even when I wasn't pursuing it as a career, I feel comfortable in saying this without question:

When someone can pay me a predictable amount that I can count on in a reasonable manner, I write and deliver for them.

It is theoretically possible that you could drop $100 on five articles from decent writers that you found on the steem blockchain and maybe, if you got particularly lucky, turn it around and earn more than $100 in vote value. Maybe. Possibly. In a very narrow slice of possible content.

And that, really, is the problem.

I recognize that as a creator I could probably sink more time into this platform and make a few extra bucks – but I would have to write about cryptocurrency or, better, the steem blockchain itself, it couldn't be critical, and if I really wanted the big bucks I'd have to promise the moon and keep promising it every day.

You know what? I'm not interested in doing that. Very few writers or creators are interested in doing that.

And that's the problem, really. The social network aspect of the steem blockchain is monocultural; it cultivates one social niche, the crypto-cultist. Good luck trying to find and establish another community, another group, another topicality of larger than three or four other people, and none of those people are are going to be whales.

That's a problem. That is a serious problem. Once a creator comes to that conclusion, they recognize that they might as well just post their content someplace that supports the creation of that content, whether it be with a very pleasant editor and reading environment (Medium), or a site under their control where they direct traffic via popular social media platform (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram).

For creators, it's about content. Unfortunately, for the majority of people involved with the steem blockchain, content is a tertiary concern it most.

When someone can pay me a predictable amount that I can count on in a reasonable manner, I write and deliver for them.

What do you write, and can I hire you?

Sorry, the old editor brain kicked in for a minute there. I don't actually have a publication at the moment.

And that's the problem, really. The social network aspect of the steem blockchain is monocultural; it cultivates one social niche,

Yep, and this pretty much kicks those of us who want it to be something else in the balls. Though, if there's anybody in these comments you don't already know, you might want to follow them. They're all people who are way more interesting than talk about crypto. (Or than I am lately. I kind of want to go back to being more interesting than that.)

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I really like this idea of advertising content. As I said in my comment, those are things that can be implemented on Whaleshares. Especially because you have to share a post to reward it.

If things go smoothly on Whaleshares with some mechanism that can function like the one you just described Steem will have little options if it wants to keep the head position.

I still wonder if that's a path they may need to take.

It's kinda sad to hear you being in this dilemma. Not because I'm expecting more from you or anything, is just that you had such a drive and positivity about the project initially and just how things ended up turning (fork and steemit) has made feel about the project.
I'd say you gotta do what makes you feel good and accomplished. True leaders in this community will find their way to continue building a community and even though they'll miss you, I'm sure they will understand. As you said there are ways financially to keep investing time here in one way or another. However, you gotta follow what you believe in :D. I support your decision, and whatever you end up choosing, I've been very grateful for all the support giving and for believing in all these projects. You're truly an amazing guy

I'd say you gotta do what makes you feel good and accomplished.

Easy things like that. If I could answer that question I imagine my life would be very different.

I don't understand a lot about how this platform runs. But, I do see the trends of the majority of people just using it for a cash out. With the majority looking to cash out and abuse of the system rampant, I honestly don't see it ever looking better in the future. When the root problem is greed and lack of commitment, I don't see any of the other crypto social media platforms springing up doing better either. It's really discouraging to me, since I've invested a lot and really love the communities that I am part of. I guess that's really what is keeping me around. At this point losing the social connections and the big part of my life that is dedicated to Steemit feels like it would be a bigger loss than the money I have invested.

One of the reasons I really like the Graphene economic system is that those people don't actually hurt anybody. You can even think of it as two different versions of Steem that happen to have the same coin. Their cashouts are funded by their stake and by some of the declined stake of the non-voters. Our activity is funded by our stake and some of the declined stake of the non-voters. People fight a lot about the allocation of that declined stake, but nobody's actually entitled to it. The stake that we're entitled to, that we've earned or invested, goes entirely to our community as long as we use it there.

If they cash out and we don't, we eventually grow larger than they do almost no matter what happens.

I'm on Whaleshares - same user name. I really like the atmosphere over there, though there's less structure for downvoting those who are abusing the system. I was lucky to start off as a minnow, but it's sometimes hard to get the attention of the ones with the big votes.
Saying that, the calculated values of WLS has also been sliding, so we're just going to have to wait and see no matter which platform we prefer.

Maybe take the low-effort road until we can see what's likely to happen long term with Steemit.

Well my friend, I thank you for all the support. I really think it has been a noble and noteworthy endeavor, but the fact is, it is your stake and you are always free to do as you wish with it.
I've signed up on whaleshares with the same username, but for some reason I have never felt welcome in that community even while interacting on steem/discord. It may just be me.
I've signed up on Weku with the same username as well, but I don't have the time to really take care of multiple platforms. I don't really see my self as much of a creator, so mine is more interaction.
I know if you decide to leave, that you will be very much missed on steem and in the various discords. You do help many people and provide a lot of support for various communities. In the end I would hate to see you leave, but you have to do what is best for you.

From project to project, I have to say that HF20 was terrible for many but it was a financial boost for my particular non-profit project, because there is more VP available in our subscribers' accounts, which then generates heavier upvotes and higher earnings at EOD.
In regards of the proposed move to 50% curation rewards, it will be great to all my project subscribers because they will earn more from the votes we do under their accounts. I know that this is not financially convenient for my project, but our subscribers will be able to stake more STEEM and the circulating STEEM in the market will be reduced. This is very good move for my project because we aim to help our subscribers along their way to become dolphins, so the proposed change is an straight hit on my project's mission.
Btw, it would be very sad for me to see your project going away. I think that you can still adapt. If you ever read "The Lean Startup" you can learn that adaptability is a required skill for success. Also, you have built something already, don't let it loose its intangible value, rather build something better and bigger on top of it.

Just my 2c.

I'm a believer in adaptability, but I think it's going to have to be adaptability in an environment I have more control over.

One of the reasons to think about Wahleshares is that many of our users are already there and the code-base would transfer over with minimal effort.

I do have a whaleshares account same username, I also have a weku account same user name (I think), and a trybe account same. All of them are like my second account on steemit, Just-in-case. So far I have not done anything with any of them.

Trybe got hacked a few days back while they were moving to a new server. They have also changed a bit from being a coincentric social site to stretching their legs to becoming a bit more of an ordinary social site.

Whaleshares has been around for a bit, and I have looked through a little bit of their stuff. They did a nice walk through for a non-crypto person on getting a bitshares wallet thing. I'll figure that out as time goes on.

Steemit is in a little bit of trouble. The netcoins thing did nothing to help steem. I am sure the people at netcoins will put everyone's email addresses to good use, fortunately most of us likely used junk email addresses anyways.

The 50/50 split thing will not help steemit obtain any new content. It will likely decrease the quality of the content. People need to understand that when as a content producer that 50% is not likely to happen unless you strictly use steemit. All dapps like dtube, busy, esteem, and steemspeak, all are capable of charging their users a beneficiary fee. I am pretty sure that fee does not come out of the rewards being received by the curators. The fee these Dapps can charge are as high as 30%. I know dtube charges 10% because they recently wrote about Lowering the fee to that point.

At the end of the day if people are posting expecting rewards then those rewards are going to go down. A few of the witnesses have tried to say that a persons rewards will go up, I have no clue how they figure that is going to happen. Those seeking to earn are going to go the sure bet way and vote for content from known creators, not some joe shmoe that just joined.

I would like to thank you for all the support you have given me, without it I would have a heck of a lot less SP and a lot less vote power to spread around. I am fine with what you decide.

If you can talk to the witnesses, get them if they are hell bent on doing this then they must make it so that any beneficiary payments come out of the curation side of the rewards and not the content creator side. But of course that idea would be shot down from all sides and no prisoners taken because then you are STEALING from their entitled curation reward.

Yeah, DTube's "we're lowering the fee" thing. They used to take 25% and redistribute it to people who voted on the post. Now they take 10% and keep it. That's like Steemit Inc. claiming that they were lowering the account creation fee when they were actually raising it. There's an immense amount of dishonesty here.

Isn’t that with everything since a service costs money?

TC, I can see that we share a lot of the same vision for Steem, while entertaining different ways for getting there. SOME (not a lot) of the terminologies you use are reminiscent of "Socialism", and I do not mean that in a bad way. That is a multi-layered subject in my mind.

As far as our own communities on Steem, I believe a little (or a LOT) of Socialism is fine. If we as community leaders see fit to "redistribute" our stake, voluntarily, it is a GOOD THING. Let me say this, it is a VERY Good Thing. It is the forced redistribution I am against, which leads to my second point...
Socialism on Steem as a Whole? Bad, IMO. This platform was founded on basically Libertarian Principles, and I see people all the time wanting to fall back to Authoritarianism in all it's different iterations all the time. It is tempting to try and enforce a Top-Down Solution across the blockchain, but it is against the founding principles, IMO. Not saying you are trying to do this to all of Steem, but I had to throw that out there to "clear the air".

I agree with my close associate, @eaglespirit. She is the wordsmith and philosopher I go to for many things, she has called me a mentor but it is a very symbiotic relationship. I rely on her strengths in many areas.

I don't think it's terribly useful to characterize an economic philosophy and then respond to things because they look like they belong to it, especially in a situation where context can be so variant from what we're used to. We're an oligarchy right now, and solutions to the problems in an oligarchy are inevitably going to look significantly more socialist than solutions in a capitalist system with at least a somewhat-functional distribution and flow of financial resources.

That said, I'm also a believer in consensual and voluntarist solutions whenever possible. I've proposed voluntarist solutions to bidbot prevalence and to discovering the optimal curation percentage, both of which address the issues by giving users new options, not removing existing ones. (As far as I know the only voluntarist proposals available for those things.)

It's hard to imagine what's more authoritarian than a handful of oligarchs attempting to impose a complete system redesign in the name of stopping a behavior that isn't hurting anyone. Part of why I'm questioning the usefulness of staying on Steem if that's effective.

OK, now it looks a lot better now that it is in it's own context. Using "socialism" was just a jumping off point for me. Benevolent or Malevolent Oligarchy, that is the Question ;)

Talk some good sense solutions to me, I am at a very similar place, I have divested most of my SP "DELI" and it is parked in my main account atm. I was making some good returns on curations until I opened my Beak and squawked to my Burdy-Buddy @eaglespirit about how well it was going. I need to see if my assets are getting thru lately LOL

I am looking at your links

I understand completely your thoughts and feelings about the future of Steem, because most of them mirror mine. Whatever decision you are going to make, I will support you. If you are not going to be an active participant in this platform anymore, I believe Steem would have lose one of its most brilliant and benevolent future thinkers.
                       
Steemit will still be my primary platform for now but the news about 50/50 made me signed up to whaleshares yesterday. I hope I will be able to keep my nick and maybe we'll see each other on the other side :).

It is really a hard time for Steem... they lead developer team seems to lack the strategic perspective to find out where is the true value of their blockchain (its users).

Inmho, you should take the decision that gives you the lower risk. That depends on the things that you value more, and on their relative weight. No one should be able to complain if you are sincere enough to communicate your concerns in the way you have done.

As for the Whaleshares platform, I think that you totally should get more on it basically for two reasons. The first one is that since the platform is giving its first baby steps its development team is fully engaged with the users (at least for the moment), yours will be a very valuable opinion due to your already proven positive leadership. The second is that since the vast majority of Whaleshares users already had a Steem account, and since you can cross-post it will not be a time-consuming task.

It is true that in due time Whaleshares may start to have the same issues that Steem currently has. But if it is so, then there is more reason to go there and to build a solid alliance with sensible and good leaders who can readily build their stake since the inflation rate will be above 50% the first two years. Thus, thanks to the experience gained and the easiness to acquire/buy a significant stake we can drive Whaleshare through a better path.

Then Steemit community will be faced with an interesting dilemma. They may face a competitor that makes them change for the better or just risk to be outpaced by Whaleshares.

Thanks for sharing your concerns and I offer apologies for daring to write about your project for which I am not an active participant. On Whaleshares I am under the same username.

Kindest regards.

developer team seems to lack the strategic perspective to find out where is the true value of their blockchain (its users)

I think this is a problem so common they don't even see it. Usually the people who care about finding and retaining new users are not the same people who care about code. @tcpolymath is a rare exception who understands both. I get the impression Steemit is 100% composed of people who care about code.

It is not a bad situation to have so many tech-savvy users. On one hand, healthy open source projects can be readily leveraged. On the other hand, an educational platform similar to Coursera can be also created with this interesting user base... There is just a lot of potential within the Steem community, artist, musicians, writers, that inmho it is obvious that being able to incentivize such users to gather here is the real value of this blockchain.

Absolutely!
I did not mean the users, I meant the business. I get the impression that Steemit, inc is made up of a small team of developers. I am guessing, I could be wrong. It's not uncommon for a startup, but it's a mistake. Developing the product is just part of what a business needs. It also needs to develop a relationship with its customers. Generally, the same person does not do both of these things well. Even if they have skills, it's better to focus on one or the other and work as a team.
As far as I can tell, there is no person or team focused on the user experience here. Communications exists as an extension of or a liaison between users and developers. If my impression is correct, that's not a functional way to structure a business (even a decentralized one).

I totally agree with you... from what I understand they think that it is the decentralized governance model that would create a group from within the community who will lead the customer caring policies...

In the grand scheme of things, you have to do what you want regardless of those of us that you help. I completely understand how the Hardfork has turn a lot of people away and has caused a large disinterest in what is going on. It forced me into thinking of what I should do. I spend most of my time helping and commenting on others that I have let my postings slide, having some of the same issues others are having and need a bit of a mental break. Yet it has put me on shaky ground with another group I am in which relies on daily posting, visiting and also being chatty on Discord (which I am not) I don't know why. I like staying informed and checking on what is going on, I'm actually very shy and uncomfortable with people. This has been such a growing experience for me. Please, don't take my story as part of a reason or begging to stay. It's not the case at all. Why keep putting yourself out there when you purpose has been defeated, by the system we're trying to 'fix'

I think a lot of us are in the same situation, it's either make this a full time job or get out. There is no more room for casual. If you're not a Minnow or higher it doesn't matter how well you tell a story, take a picture and so forth. Without the SP you aren't going anywhere because you don't have enough RC to grow.

I started with the basic account. I have not added any personal funds to my account. I have a couple of delegations, mainly to help due to @pifc. In December I will have been on this platform a year. Now with the Hardfork I am back to making measly amounts on my posts unless the groups I belong to help me out. It makes you feel like a beggar of sorts. Not a wonderful feeling. I'll support whatever decision you make. This is your initiative, this is your work. If it's time to put it to bed, then so be it. If you think seeing things through just a bit longer since it's been barely a month since the Hardfork then the same. If you're heart isn't in it anymore then let it go. It's ok to live your life the way you want.

Sorry that it has come to this point, but I do feel your misgivings about Steem. I am still personally hopeful for the future, but I whilst I think I understand the need for a large curation share, I am afraid it will harm creators in the short term.

I had toyed around with the idea of moving platform, but to be honest, I had found Steem to be an interesting experiment in writing for myself. I just don't have the time or willpower to build another account on another platform. If Steem goes down, then I guess it will have been an interesting last year for me, where I've learnt how to write a bit better! That said, I do have some of the old whaleshares tokens that I should claim for WLS.

As far as your particular project, it's been an honour to be part of it and to be recognised as a potential future worthy dolphin. It isn't my place to suggest what you should do with your stake. I will continue to soldier on here, trying to keep a little flame alight for @classical-radio and @classical-music here!

I appreciate that you'd ask the community.
I will respond the same way I did to a fellow student and teacher who decided to leave our dojo:
If you go it will be a loss, both to me and to the community. I've just gotten started here, and am still excited about what we could build. That's not just hypothetical; I have an outline for what my level up project could be and about 200 Steem on Binance just swing trading until they unfreeze withdrawals. But I would adapt and could not fault you for going, everyone has to do what they know is right for them.

I have no interest in whaleshares or any other platform. I am now prompted to ask myself why. I think it is a personality trait that I commit to the end of something. Sometimes that's a good quality, other times it would be better if I set a clear boundary when to bail on something. As for Steemit, I am still using the "don't risk what you can't stand to lose" approach, so I feel good about saying I'm in one platform, win or lose, that's it.

If you're still weighing options, I see a middle way between #1 and #2: get help to implement the program. So far you have support in the form of delegations and engaged participants, but it's really a one man show. Perhaps I'm really sensitive to this because I face a really similar situation with my dojo, and I'm at a point where I really have to organize my various supports into a true team effort - or else hit that limit (that I never really set) where I'll have to call it quits.

Unfortunately the problem with a system that I'm bootstrapping by killing my own hourly rate is that I don't have enough income to pay anyone else a reasonable wage to help. And I'm not enthused about doing it any other way.

Before HF20 I really thought that I could put together a pitch package and have some chance to secure some angel funding. The next thing was going to be really cool, and The Mesopotamians is a good proof-of-work project.

But I can't justify asking anyone else for their money to put here at this point.

This is heavy man. I’ve been struggling to come to a solid understanding of how any proposed changes will affect the ecosystem here. It’s such a complex system and humans are so wierd. It’s hard for me to just assume that 95percent of people will think completely selfishly and shortsightedly. I don’t know if that is actually the case but it sometimes seems that way.

For that reason it would be a shame to see this project end. But if your energy could be better spent elsewhere then you would know that better than I for sure.

Personnally I’m going to at least wait for SMT’s and communities and all that. See if that helps before I start looking for an exit. I’m sure that a change in crypto sentiments in general will help the volume here at least. But it has been seeming more and more wastelandy around this blockchain.

I wonder if there is an easy metric to look at if this change is made, to see the effect on bigger vs smaller accounts? If it were done responsibly the changes could be monitored and if indeed it has the effect you fear then it could be reversed...

It seems like if things could be changed easily then playing around with some parameters in the early stages might be a good way to dial it in. But i guess thats a lot of work.

It would be unfortunate to have to pack my shit and move, but I guess I will have learned a lot in the process...

You can look at my last three posts for a lot of this.

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I'm a little late to this party, but it's @suitcasebaby's fault - blaming newborns is ethical, right?

@tcpolymath - I'm not sure I have anything insightful to add that hasn't already been mentioned. I echo the thanks and support of nearly everyone here - no one would harbor any ill will or think any less of you if you bailed.

Even if you disappeared tomorrow, I think you've already provided an extremely positive model for what this all could look like, whether here/now or something that comes in the future. Technical/leadership issues aside, I'm finding Steemit to be quite a supportive and positive place, and much of that has to do with the little tribe that you've gathered via @themesopotamians and your philosophy behind it. Thank you.

No whaleshares from me, not at this point. I'll stick around to see what happens here. It's about personal bandwidth for me (I barely remember to check my discord - I really can't be adding anything new now) and the fact that I'm really enjoying it here. Maybe it's luck, who I'm tracking on my feed, or maybe life isn't allowing me to get too deep into the muck, but the feeling I get using Steemit is unique in my online experience these days. Actually, it reminds me of the early days of the internet, when it was all magic and generally positive. The word "toxic" has been used a few times in the comments: that's how I'm experiencing the other mainstream platforms - my experience here has been generally positive. And that's why I'm barely on those other places anymore.

In fairness, I haven't made any financial investment in Steem. I can imagine I'd have quite a different perspective or at least make the time to dig down a bit further into the details. I'm a fairly casual user and feel successful if I post 2 or 3 times a week. My investments have been time and (what passes for) creativity. In that lens, I'm very satisfied with my "return on investment" - I've become a bit of a blogger. That's new for me. I'm interacting with interesting people and even meeting some folks in real life, which I love, and again, very early internet-y. Another by-product is I feel like I'm experiencing my life and neighborhood with new eyes. Sights I've seen every day for years take on a different flavor when looked at as potential post material. Details are noticed, exploration is spurred. These are positive additions to my life since January.

I'm rambling a bit at this stage. Bottom line advice is the same I'd give myself: if you feel like being on here is soul-draining, I'd say get out while you can, with all of our blessings. Stay as long as you're able to enjoy and get something out of it.

Those be some thoughts from my sleep deprived brain. I hope all are well and warm greetings from Thailand!

I ended up reading @meno's Open Letter to a Future Steemian before I got to this, although I meant to get to it much sooner but I have been busy working and working on posts.

One thing that stuck to me in his post was how this is really an endurance test, and it really is. Losing the Mesopotamians program will surely hinder my growth as I have grown dependent on those certain upvotes that will get me at least 20 cents, however; I cannot force you to keep it going if it is burning you out, and I can understand even more after having read meno's post how much hard work we have to put into our content in order to grow.

One thing is certain -- I feel that HF20 was not thought out properly, as I still see people milking the rewards pool with shit posts. This is surely going to hurt steemit, but I still believe in the potential. Especially when it comes to Steem Monsters.

I have spent countless hours blogging in the past and getting nothing out of it whether it was youtube, twitch, facebook or any other forums or social media. This type of social media is amazing and I like it here. I honestly don't plan on going anywhere but I do have a few other accounts on other sites. Lots of people seem to be flocking to whaleshares, however; there is something I just don't like about the name. I am only here to power-up so that I can be a curator. It would be nice to accumulate a million dollar account one day as I've been trying to be a crypto-whale since 2013.

You have to be able to see through the bad and enjoy the good. I actually haven't had the time to research many of the changes pertaining to HF20, but not being able to upvote myself is a little annoying but I do have two other accounts that I assume I can delegate to and be able to upvote myself that way.

It's another problem I see with HF20, where anyone with multiple accounts is mostly unaffected while anyone who doesn't have that luxury is SOL.

I am here for the long haul though, and feel that steem could be worth more in the future, unless what I have heard about steem is true.

Someone mentioned that the price of steem is basically tied to the price of SBD and if SBD is meant to be "tethered" to the value of 1 USD then it would be impossible for 1 steem to be at $100.

Especially if, from what I heard, the witnesses were doing something to purposely drive SBD back to $1 and it had something to do with rewards pool abuse.

Do I want to see the mesopotamians project continue? Absolutely I do! Am I trying to switch platforms? No not really. I like steemit and can look past the bullshit and see the potential as this was a long term investment for me. At least 5 years. It's almost been 1 and I still have that "FOMO" feeling because I didn't get in 2 years ago when I first found out about it. Having all this drama and people quitting steemit and flocking to whaleshares or some other platform is a bit disheartening because I don't want to start over. I put in what I feel is a lot of work to finally be at 1100 + followers.

I've said in the past that bidbots are the problem, but it's also hard for people to go through thousands of posts per day and determine what are the best ones and what deserves the most value. Being someone who has always relied on organic growth (even with my business, where I typically rely on Word of Mouth as my main source of advertisement), I feel that communities like Mesopotamians who basically sponsor good content creators are more important than the bidbots.

A platform like this is difficult. People are naturally greedy, so when someone can pay themselves instead of paying someone else they will most likely choose to pay themselves out of greed. I am also not quite up to speed on all that is going on behind the scenes with HF20 but I can see that for the whales and those with multiple accounts, it's business as usual.

Well now I'm ranting. I wouldn't want to see this project go away, but you should also do what makes you happy. I haven't been happy lately and it's because I've been too busy and tired to make my posts. And now I'm fairly addicted to steem monsters....no SM on whaleshares though... :P

I can understand your sentiments !

FWIW, just want to thank you (whichever decision you take) for the absolutely wonderful support so far <3

Amazing initiative and still one of the best idea out here in Steemit, which is to grow those dedicated accounts that really are contributing right back into the system.

But, ultimately, I understand your feelings!

I'm @spider at Whaleshares :)

HF20 really messed-up UX for new users. That's probably one of the reasons why Steem will stagnate. Also STEEM price will be probably on low for some time. Check steemit.com ranking on Alexa. It's going south for some time now. https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/steemit.com
I hope Steem will recover. It would be a shame that technology and project like this die off. But once again it would be that something nobel and good was destroyed by bad people with bad intentions.

Steemit is just ONE "UI" (user interface) for Steem, and I believe SteemPeak has taken a lot of it's share. If you take all the UI's and add them together you'd have a much more realistic picture.
STEEM is much larger than "steemit" …

You didn't understand my point. HF20 broke Steem UX with Resource Credits. Minnows have those recharging very slow to the point where Steem is unusable. The same broken UX is on Steemit, Steepshot, eSteem or any other frontend. Once you spent all Resource Credits you can't do anything on Steem. You can't upvote, resteem, post nor comment. And recharging rate is slow in a way where a minnow can post 1-2 times per day. That's lame.

Please define UX and maybe that will help. Yours is the first time I have seen that used.
I have some minnow friends urging me to "DELI" some SP for just this reason, to help new users to be able to post more frequently. I am open to that idea I just want to make sure it actually helps and of course, "symbiotically" as well... IYKWIM 🐬

User Experience (UX) refers to a person's emotions and attitudes about using a particular product, system or service. It includes the practical, experiential, affective, meaningful and valuable aspects of human–computer interaction and product ownership.
So, I'm talking about new users. They start posting and after around 18 posts BAM they can't post anymore. As I said, that's very bad UX.
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wow, no fake... you seem to really have a good grasp of this despite a 37 rep, so how much RC would one need to "function normally" in your opinion? This is based on "native SP and delegated SP" ;)

I got 25 delegated SP. I'm recharging much faster now. And it is much more comfortable now.
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Of course that depends how much a user expect to spend time on the platform. See this example which looks decent:
https://steemd.com/@technicaltrader
I picked it up on the New tab on steemit. This user recharges in 7 hours and can make 60 comments within one charging. Of course ideal would be something like this:
https://steemd.com/@shookriya/
Basically this looks like somebody from Steem Inc or whoever decided what should go into HF20 was thinking that a new user should vest around $200 to be able to use steem without limits. That's how it looks like.