Then explain to me why Chicago's....
This is why i call this discussion stupidity at its maximum. No one should even be discussing this and you obviously are just repeating dumbass arguments you picked up from one side...
Does Illinois have a hard border with Indiana or Wisconsin? lol.
Let me ask you something that you can understand as a right winger.
If you opened the border with Mexico completely and anyone could get in.... How many more hundreds of thousands of immigrants would you be getting more per year?
Now apply that logic to guns and your Chicago question.
Reducing gun availability goes a long way towards reducing mass shootings. Thats simply common sense.
Thats what i said and your answer to that is: "As for your "simply common sense" remark: the vast, heavily-statistically significant majority of gun-related deaths and homicides in the US are committed with a handgun."
How is what you said in any way related to my common sense argument?
The USA is unique in that the right to bare arms is enshrined in our founding documents, in the Constitution.
Change it. Its a fucking document someone wrote few hundred years ago when they thought keeping slaves was a good idea.
"Founding fathers!" You guys love talking about them as if they were saints. Some of them probably had gonorrhea for sleeping with prostitutes, others kept slaves. Theyre just people that had no idea what the future would hold when they wrote that, let alone that the US can kill people on the other side of the world at a press of a button.
The 2nd Amendment was made to ensure that the public has the means to defend its freedom and private property were the Government to ever go usurpatious.
You gonna defend against a Tomahawk missile? How about a Drone strike? A tank? An F16?
You just like guns. Its as simple as that. Theres no deeper reason to it and youre more then happy to let hundreds of people die as long as you can find your justification as to why you should be allowed to keep what ever gun you want.
As long as theres a justification. I mean people do it all the time. People will find justification for every fucking thing. Nazis had their justification for killing jews. Americans had their justifications for keeping slaves.
People are generally idiots and are more likely to shoot themselves in the head if they own a gun then anyone else.
But honestly mass shootings are good tv, good for ratings. Outrage sells.
You just cant bring the lifes lost back.
Boom! Beautiful reply, succinct, intelligent and completely rational. The gun advocates nightmare! Lolz.
I'm following you based solely on this answer :-)
Cg
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Funny, never considered myself a "right winger"; but thanks for the pointless label. It's good to see how black and white you think.
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I mean after Australia ban guns in 1996 and there hasn't been a mass shooting since then.I feel like the constitution stating everyone has a right is crazy to take serious as how were they to predict the leaps in technology.They were using one shot muskets,dont think they were expecting to get an AK for as cheap as a Playstation
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Aussie here. We still have mass shootings; a family was wiped out by their grandfather in Perth a few years ago, and a guy shot up Darwin a couple of months back.
We also still have gun-less mass murders here.
Our nutters light bushfires, or chain up and burn down nursing homes or backpacker hostels.
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That family was the worst since 96 though at 7 losts.I actually misses that all together.
Still in regards to burning down thing its fair less effective than a AR which you can potentially kill dozens in seconds to be fair.Ye your right though nutters will be nutters.
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Not really. My politics include liberal and right wing ideas. Prolly mistaken you for someone else.
If that is the case and you arent right wing i apologize.
The rest i stand by.
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You think guns are entering Illinois through Indiana and Wisconsin? No they are crossing the Mexican border through the drug cartels that have connections to gangs all over the US. It's more complicated than just saying "gun control", which doesn't even begin to deal with the problem. And, no, it actually not that easy to get a gun here legally. And if our current laws were actually enforced it wouldn't be that easy to get one illegally either.
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Arent there states between Chicago and Mexico through which guns can pass freely through? So isnt my point true that gun free zones do nothing if the availability of fire arms stays the same.
Arent Ecuadorian immigrants entering through Mexico?
Lol
You know what the funny thing is... In order for a "liberally painted" change (gun ban/regulation) to work properly you need to enact a "right wing painted" change which is building a wall and fortifying the border. 😂
Two things go hand in hand when you discuss this but the changes are on opposite sides of politics. Haha.
Gun control doesnt end with legislation. You write a law and you think that would work. Thats foolish.
There are many factors at play.
Its quite easy. Market is in part determined by scarcity and as i said an illegal firearm is 2000% more expensive in Australia then in US.
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You are exactly right. On many issues.
No civilian needs a gun in an urban setting.
The whole pro-gun argument is as juvenile as Trump & his followers.
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Well thank you. I love being right online. It changes the world. 😁
Kidding... Lol
The world is painted black and white politically and thats wrong.
You cant fix anything if everything can fall into only 2 camps.
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