TribeSteemUp Bi-Weekly Question - Do you believe that there is inherent order in nature or is it all chaos and chance?

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I have thought about this question quiet a lot. I know in my head, in my heart what I want to say, but now I sit here struggling with how I shall begin to answer it. Because everything has a beginning, a middle and an end. I could start at the end and work my way back, or I could start in the middle and from there move towards the beginning or the end and vice versa. Obviously the easiest would be to start at the beginning and to follow on in that order. But if i choose not to, am I creating chaos.

Sometimes my thinking is quiet linear, I know straight away what I wish to write, I embrace the flow from the beginning to the end and I always feel quite happy with that form of expression, as if everything went according to plan. But other times, my thoughts are all over the shop, overflowing with so many ideas,opinions, visions, dreams.

I don't know where to start and I can see no end in sight, this feeling excites me mostly, sometimes it can overwhelm me, but as long as I keep moving forwards then it flows, not in a straight line, but in loops and spirals, never ending. But all the while I am bursting forth with Life.

Today more than ever, We need chaos in our lives, we need the upheavals and the disarray. We need to be shook up, so that we stand and pay attention to what is happening in our lives. To wake up from this slumber and shake off these shackles that have held us down for far too long. We need these reminders that life is fragile, that things happen outside of our control. But our ability to deal with these inner and outer challenges comes from the strength we hold within, the connection we have to self. This is something that is missing for a lot of people and they feel that things are out of their control, that they are helpless, and end up feeling insecure and lost in a sense of separation.



It is in the journey we take back towards self that we grow, that we find our flow in life. The connection we have with nature, with the natural world. This gives us the inner strength to carry on, because yes life can get chaotic and crazy. Events can shake us to our core, can have us questioning our existence, our self worth. But when we feel this connection, then we know we can deal with these challenges, because life never throws things at us that we can not handle. Because there is a reason for the crazy and chaotic, it helps us to find our way back, back to our self.

I look outside my window at the mountains, at the new leaves that have sprung forth on the pomegranate trees. At the orange trees, that stand near them, blossoming and filling the air with their sweet sweet scent. These trees follow a yearly cycle, of growth and decay, of hibernation and then growth again. Sometimes the summer here is hard, the hot sun dries up the land and the ground is scorched. I have watched those trees suffer, with hardly any water to quench their thirst. I worried that some of them would not survive, but so far no matter how hot it has got they have.

I believe that things happen in nature, as they are meant to, everything follows a natural cycle. Yet there are outside influences that affect that cycle. Some that try and break it. That believe they have the right to dominate and control it. We are a part of nature, yet so many have moved away from the more natural way of life. Is this what has led to the unbalance we feel in the world now. Is this the way that it was meant to go, for the human world to be divided.

Into those who work with nature, who work with their natural self, who honour and respect life and those that are ruled by ego and greed and have become so disconnected that they seek only to destroy and control. Is this the inherent order that exists amongst the chaotic.


My life has been chaotic of late, I have experienced so much loss recently, yet with that loss I shed another layer of myself. Underneath it lies a new me, someone who has gone through pain and suffering, indeed is still going through it. But I know I will come out the other side, I know that I will come out stronger, as this pain has carved away a piece of me that was no longer needed, in order to make way for new growth.

So do I believe that there is inherent order in nature or is it all just chaos and chance? I believe all is as it should me, I believe in how I feel at this very moment. I know that things change all the time, nothing is constant, so is that order, is that chaos. Why even choose those words, to define what just is! Nature is what comes naturally to us and the natural world. I feel by trying to define it we are trying to control it, it is what it is and that my friends is my answer.



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Love your approach. All week I've been reading and listening to people who have been saying very similiar . It is in the journey we take back towards self that we grow, that we find our flow in life. The connection we have with nature, with the natural world. things - that answers are found in nature that help lead us back to, and understand the self (check out the 5 questions this week with @mtnwomanmedicine) and help us out in times of uncertainty and upheaval and grief. Like you, I go to nature when I need answers, and it's listening to her that helps me to connect to intuitive knowing.

It is in the journey we take back towards self that we grow, that we find our flow in life. The connection we have with nature, with the natural world.

I have been thinking of this constant spiralling we do, always learning and growing and coming back to the self: is this who I am? how do I know myself? Always in flow and flux and spirals and circles, just like nature itself.

And yes, the order man imposes on the natural ... I'm not sure he's meant to. Somehow we have devolved in that way, but then maybe that's what is meant to be too.... be interesting to see where it leads us as a whole, or terrifying!

Great answer.

”the order man imposes on the natural ... I'm not sure he's meant to. Somehow we have devolved in that way, but then maybe that's what is meant to be too.... be interesting to see where it leads us as a whole, or terrifying!”

I reckon where we are now has been our 命 mìng since we crawled out of the trees. I think it was McKenna who said something similar about human evolution being driven by something calling to us from the future. This is the stuff of SF and religion too.

Maybe we’re unconsciously working towards leaving the planet, like children leaving the womb.

Have you read Arthur C Clarke’s Childhood’s End? Deeply hopeful yet also disturbing.

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No, but I did read a lot of classic sci fi.. Heinlein, Asimov et all, Le Guin.. Perhaps I missed that one. An intercepting concept but sometimes.. often.. I feel that's wishful thinking, that we can evolve to something better than. Transformation sounds beautiful, but can't we just go back to the trees?

Have you read the Word for World is Forest?

I don't want to leave Earth. I quite like it.

Earth's the right place for love: I don't know where it's likely to go better.

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44260/birches

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They made Childhoods End into a 3-part series for SyFy channel.... but the book is always better.

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I’m sure there were those who wanted to leave the African savannah and those who didn’t... those who wanted to jump in ships and find distant lands they had no idea existed, and those who didn’t.

Whilst we’re not all wired that way as individuals, clearly the trend for our species is we want to expand and explore.

I have no doubt that we will one day populate the galaxy and maybe beyond. We may be very different beings by that stage. Maybe we’ll evolve to be pure consciousness, or maybe we’ll be floating creatures with no limbs living in zero-g.... who knows....

interestingly, if all the things and people that pollute the earth went to Mars, Mara would become inhabitable and Earth would become an Edenesque paradise again. There’s something poetic and ironic about that for me.

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Thank you, I held off reading any one else's until I done mine, so tomorrow I will check everyone's, I look forward to yours. It left me with a few questions as well, esp the order humans impose on nature, so natural , but then as you say maybe this has always been the way it was meant to be, we are a mere speck in the grand scheme of things. Indeed xxx

“反者道之動 — Return is the Dào's movement.”

I love reading posts where the words are reflections of thoughts/feelings which are reflections of the natural environment.

I get to live vicariously through these, my imagination now filled with images of pomegranates and orange blossoms and the sheer wondrousness that I know I’d feel were I actually there.

Part of the problem with living in the city/urban environment is that disconnect from the natural world. @riverflows has been asking the question “do we intervene or go hands-off?” ... of course when we are face-to-face with mother nature it’s easy to trust that she can look after herself.

But what about when humans are urbanised?

”Because there is a reason for the crazy and chaotic, it helps us to find our way back, back to our self.”

In my mind’s eye, when I need to come back to myself I am always imagining it as walking through a forest into an open field. Now I understand why.

😊🙏🏽☯️💜

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Ah, yes, the walk through the forest of the self. Beautiful.

Even in the city, there's fruit trees overhanging from gardens, dandelions growing up through the cracks, tree roots splitting concrete, birds. Without us, the city reverts to nature.

I love that scene in I Am Legend where he's hunting a deer in the city.

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Yeah I know.... but in the city, it’s continually covered over. A never-ending fight against urban entropy.

And it’s just not the same..... [sighs wistfully]...

In news of gratitude, some flying foxes have decided to come and hang out in the flowering gum next to our house every night. And little lorikeets are showing up around here at the moment too, so their songs are welcome.

I looked at a map of Tasmania this morning. I think it’s time we went for a trip into the wilderness!!!!!

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Map of Tassie? Oo er.

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I thought of re-phrasing that as I was typing, but thought not because I didn’t think anyone would go there.

But you did.

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Of course, I would 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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she is always there calling to us no matter where we live and if we are true to ourselves then we are in touch with nature all the time. It is in our nature to create and that is what connects us, so keep creating and go for those walks in the forest my friend xx You carry your wildness within you x

😊🙏🏽💜

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I love that you have questioned what is order? And what is chaos? As if the line is neat and definitive... 🤣🤣🤣

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that is the whole point really,to point out our need to define everything, instead of accepting how things are xx

Hi Trucklife family,
I agree with this: Today more than ever, We need chaos in our lives.
Because chaos is feminine and we are lacking that...

Hey Clara, how are you? it has been too long, I hope all is going well for you xx

I'm quite alright. How are you?