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These notes. I think what was positive, though, about these notes is that it really shows the jury is actually doing their job and deliberating, unlike what Donald Trump kind of was saying. That concerned me was he was delegitimizing the jury system by saying, I can't get a fair trial in New York. People are going to be biased against me.

If that were the case, they would just have a knee jerk reaction and potentially just convict him. And if this really shows they're listening, they're thinking they're looking at the evidence they want to read back, they want the law read back to them. They want certain parts of the testimony so they can analyze it.
And whatever the verdict is, we have to respect it. And I think the the legitimacy of the jury system out of the criminal justice system is important, whatever the verdict is. But I think this is a very positive sign because it shows they're taking their job very seriously and they're being thoughtful.

So Judge Mershon said deliberations are going to start again at a.m. Eastern tomorrow, and he has dismissed the jury for the day the jury is leaving. The reason he's doing that is because it is going to now take the court reporter and the

parties hours, literally hours, to agree to identify in the transcript exactly which portions of the transcript are responsive to these notes, because it's not like they said, we want all of the read back of David Parker's testimony.
They want a certain specific part of David Parker's testimony and that could be in multiple places, right? There could be a question on direct or a series of questions on the direct. There could be more questions later on in the direct and then

parts of cross and what's going to happen is, is the court reporter going to have to identify each and every place that is responsive to that note in both direct and cross? Then the parties are going to have to agree that that's the only place in the in the transcripts that it exists
and then it'll be read back to them. The court reporter is the one who does the read back. Both of the judge's instruction and of the testimony in New York. So you'll have the court reporter who will be speaking for a long time tomorrow. But I

bet even at we might not get started because the jury will come in, the judge will send them back to continue to deliberate.
They can continue to deliberate even while the parties are are answering the notes and looking for things. It's not like things stop at that time, but it's going to take some time to to get the answers to these questions to the point where it

can then be read back to the jury. So time to is the reason that he dismissed them for the day, just because it's four of seven, almost which is when he would dismiss them anyway, I might as well just let them have the minutes.
That's probably what was going through his mind. I mean, it is interesting, given that the jury, they deliberated late last

night, you can at least see maybe the jury would be interested in continuing to deliberate. But I can also see them wanting a break. I mean, they certainly had a very long day yesterday.
They finally got the case today. And now they're just going to be sitting there awaiting this information that they have indicated is very important to their decision making process. But the thing that interests me, Jake, by this is about the significance is that these requests came, relatively speaking, early on in the deliberative process, which tells me this is

also a jury that kind of got down to business.
In other words, they didn't spend hours and hours kind of, you know, venting or, you know, unburdening themselves of their feelings in the case. They immediately plunged into the record and within a reasonable amount of time decided these are the specific pieces of information we want to hear back. We want to get more because we've already identified these bits of testimony as critical to our deliberations and they're moving quickly.

And as Karen assessed, Judge Mershon told the attorneys that they cannot leave the courtroom. The jurors have left, but the attorneys cannot leave the courtroom until they agree on the transcript That will be read back tomorrow. Tim Pawlenty, are we going to find out we in the public going to find out what for specific requests from the testimony three

from Parker, one from Cohen that they requested? Is that something that we will learn or No, this is all just private jury information. Oh, no.
So the judge has read the note aloud into the record. So everybody who's in the courtroom knows what specific

questions they've asked. And so now both sides are trying to compile what is responsive to that. And, you know, there will be some, you know, back and forth about, you know, sometimes once they'll try and add an extra page that they think is advantageous to them.
And the other side will say that's not really response, Right. Sneaking into some something. And so the cook it you know,

this part of the process is is interesting because I agree with you that a lot of these things would be a whole lot easier if we just give them the instructions, you know, giving them the transcript.
There's a little bit more complicated because you have to remember these transcripts are not certified yet. They do contain errors. You know, sometimes when you get the draft transcript, you see that you know, the report actually I that

no and the answer was yes. Right. Things like that. And so you can't give them the the transcript but this gives a great opportunity for the attorneys to see kind of where is the jury going.
And, you know, for the for the client to be able to lose their mind just a little bit more and trying to figure out what they're doing. Yeah. And you know, what I always find interesting is not just the questions asked, but during the read

back, I watch the jury and I see what are they doing. And sometimes you'll see facial expressions.
Sometimes I've seen it even where, you know, when it comes to that key line in the testimony, all of a sudden one juror will look down at the other side. And and that's when you sit there and the client's like, is that a good thing? Right? That's funny, because Read Back is in open court. Yeah, we will all we're all going to know what they what they read and

Jamie Lynn go right now you talk about clients going crazy and it again for any defendant this is not fun and Donald Trump is a defendant
so it's not fun for him right now. And Todd Blanchard's defense attorney ask the judge, can my client, the former president, Donald Trump, go across the hall while the lawyers are working, finalizing the transcript, which could take

hours? Judge Mershon said that's okay, but Trump cannot leave the building, and Trump is apparently leaning back in his chair with his arm up on the chair back, gesturing as he talks to Blanch and Beauvais, two of his attorneys Blanches, laughing.
TRUMP We saw him walk out. Trump is up from his seat, leaving with don jr. Total deliberate time today, hours, minutes.

And jamie gangel, the guys running for president and i'm not saying whether it's right or wrong, but this is got to be frustrating. He's stuck in this courthouse. Well, let's put aside running for president because there were a lot of days during these six weeks where he could have gone out and campaigned and he chose to campaign from the courthouse, steps through the courthouse hallway.

I will say I think the it's look, Donald Trump doesn't like anyone telling him what to do or where to be. Look. Tim Pawlenty, not so. He doesn't like the fact that he has to stick around the courthouse and someone I know who was in that holding room with me, with him tells me it is not not a very pleasant place like the rest of the building.
It is old, it is dirty. I gather there's an old air conditioning unit in the window. Not not Donald Trump's style. Yeah, that

courthouse is a dump. But I don't think the one thing about being in the holding room. Yeah, we're not watching his face in the court. Right? So he doesn't have to worry about his privacy.
Anybody commenting because he closed his eyes for seconds? Everyone, stick around. The jury has stopped

deliberating for the day after hours, minutes of deliberation. So we just want to note that we have stopped. Where is it? We have stopped our clock right here. Let's bring in CNN's Kaitlan Collins, who's outside the court.
And Caitlyn, what do you make of the jury's notes late this afternoon and this rather early dismissal for the jury? Well, Jake, obviously this is a question that the Trump team is going to be trying to dissect, just like we are in the sense of

what this means for them. At first glance, I mean, obviously, if they're trying to read David Petraeus testimony, which the prosecution framed in their closing arguments late into the evening last night, I was in there inside the courtroom as they did that.
I mean, the prosecution framed it is damning for Donald Trump and saying that what David Pecker, someone who had

no ax to grind against Donald Trump, had to say by putting Trump in the room and talking about how he was aware of this plot to to pay for stories that could potentially be damaging to his chances at winning the election.
That was how they framed it. So it's notable that the jury wants to see that. But they're also asking to see testimony from Michael Cohen, who Todd Blanch Plame framed as this complete liar as part of his closing arguments to the jury as

well. So obviously, it's a lot to interpret there. Everyone's going to be trying to read it, including Trump's attorneys, who you saw Trump leave the room along with his entourage a few moments ago.
But Todd Blanch in available venues and Nicholas are still inside that room at the defense table as they are going to be

trying to sort through exactly which parts of this transcript are going to be read back to the jury tomorrow. I think the other thing that is still to be determined is on the jury instructions and what is being read to what is going to be read back to them, whether or not it's all of the jury instructions, which took about an hour today, or if it's certain parts of the

law or certain parts about reasonable
doubt, witness credibility, all of that is going to be key aspects that people will be looking for when the judge does return with the jury tomorrow morning at nine a.m. to see what is it that they have questions about. It's this fascinating

process where they can only communicate via the foreperson for the jury.
That is juror number one. He is just automatically the foreperson here sending these notes and clarifying what it is to the judge. They can't have these lengthy conversations with him. Or if they do have conversations, it's where the judge has brought the entire jury into the courtroom to make sure that they all hear what his instructions are.
And it's not just any kind of private discussion between the judge and one juror. The importance here is that they are all

on the same page here. And so obviously the Trump team will be trying to figure this out as well. I should note, Trump left the courtroom, Jake. He can't actually leave the courthouse, though.
He has to wait until all of this is done. He's obviously been here since early this morning. Caitlin Collins, thanks so much. Appreciated. The Trump trial jury has just been dismissed for the day. This after they sent the judge two notes, one to

hear, one to rehear four different parts of testimony, three from David Pecker, one from Michael Cohen, another to hear parts of the judge's instructions to them.