How I became a &quot;self-hating Jew&quot;

pauladamski (43) · 7 years ago

Wow, this is amazing. Articulate, intelligent rhetoric based on facts. Commenting on the actual Gaza situation I'll leave to the more vain individuals, all I'm gonna say is, that if this was on youtube, it wouldn't last long :) I've lost so many good subscriptions, because they spoke out against the status quo. I hope that this place can give us some of that freedom of expression, that this society boasts about so much. Keep up the honesty alive, dear!

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bibleanarchist (47) · 7 years ago

I am a BIBLE believing CHRISTian. I am not a zionist. Those are mutually exclusive ideologies.

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fishyculture (60) · 7 years ago

Well, careywedler, you seem to have attracted your own "anti-Semite" screaming troll. Brand new account just to explain how wrong you are... Following you, upvoted, resteemed. Muted him, trolled him and having a good laugh at how IMPOTENT they are here...

careywedler (65) · 7 years ago

It's to be expected (especially with a post like this haha)

Thanks for your support!

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sentience (34) · 7 years ago

Thank you for a great post Carey. It must take courage to speak truth when so many are ready to shame you and question your allegiances. You may not make everyone happy with your realisation of the truth but you will certainly be on the side of truth.

The conflict is not as complicated as people make it out to be. Palestinians are the indigenous people of Palestine. Israel claims it is a Jewish and democratic state and yet it violates the principles of both democracy and Judaism by holding a whole people prisoners in open air prisons and controls every aspect of their lives without any hope of self-determination. Israel refuses to give the Palestinians a sovergin state and it refuses to make them citizens of Israel. The only solution Israel is happy with is the status quo which is the colonisation and occupation of the indigenous people of the land they claim to love so much.

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frdem3dot0 (58) · 7 years ago

you should never hate yourself. As it happens you are you so just make the best out of it. Hating wont bring you anywhere. Ive done a lot of things in my life I am not proud of, but thats life. I try my best every day and hope for a forgiving god :)

On the political topic, there is only one solution and that is to promote freedom for all. Being denied freedom always creates violence.
If you set people free and let them take their future into their own hands you end terrorism and violence and you create wealth and prosperity for all.

Given opportunities most people will take them. But when you deny them their future and you keep people dependant their energy has to go somewhere. Given only few positive options many people will take the bad ones

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raimoe (27) · 7 years ago

I dont know much on this conflict except that it has pretty much been going on since the beginning of time. Literally since the days of father Abraham. He had a son from his wife and a son from another woman. Some say its a spiritual battle and some believe a family struggle still being fought. Both sound logical or possible. Im not sure it will ever be resolved. I only know i feel horrible for the millions of innocent that have lost their lives and the same who may have lived, but lives destroyed over the many generations of war. Perhaps over religion or ideals has caused so much distruction. Truly a sad situation i pray ends and people begin to heal from.

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greengnome (25) · 7 years ago (edited)

We cannot use ancient texts to talk about distinctions between groups in the modern age. Palestinian Muslim DNA is a mix - primarily East Mediteranian aka ancient Palestinian with Jewish, Arab (arabian peninsula -usually less than 15%) and very small percentages of, Turkish, North African, West Mediterranian. The concept of pure races and tribes is impossible in a region with so much invasion, conversions between faiths etc is impossible. There is no 2 clear lines between Abrahams sons (incidentally Abraham had more children with his servants).

The problem is due to the founding of Israel families have been broken up and people expelled from homes within living memory. Palestinians have paid the price for the actions of Europeans in WW1 and for the Iraqis, Yeminis and Egyptians etc who expelled their Jewish countrymen. This is a human rights issue, bringing outdated and inaccurate history into it doesn't help resolve any issues.

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mmmmkkkk311 (63) · 7 years ago

Keep asking Carey ...

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truth-or-lies (41) · 7 years ago

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vibeof100monkeys (58) · 7 years ago

Well said! To ofter you get accused of being this that and the other when you support Palestine. Back in the day when I was on twitter I posted stuff in support of Palestine and the backlash from the Israeli support people was horrific just like their government attacking and no sense of other peoples rights, ideals or way of life!

No individual race or person should have any claim to any part of this planet. The sooner we all realise we are the same then we can sort out this world and stop these pointless wars to feed ego!

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mayb (59) · 7 years ago

I knew I was right to follow you! Found you on one of @aggroed shows on MSP waves and was drawn to you because we share the experience of working for lamestream media and now trying to do something new.

This piece is awesome, Carey! Thanks for your chuzpe!

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ufuksteven (25) · 7 years ago

good information

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novusrex (46) · 7 years ago

Oh dear, i feel like you have not been in Israel yet. Arabs and Jews live together side by side. North of Israel has a lot of druse people and they are very friendly. All i hear in your video is speaking out against jews. Which i actually feel offensive. Saying that jews kill palestinians is questionable. How can you hate such a small country that has been hunted in literally every country around the world. Why do you think no jews live in surrounding arab states? because they were hunted and needed to flee to Israel. Palestinians are the weapon of those surrounding arab states. That explains why palestinians have not wanted a 2 state solution for 6 times in the past, while Israel always gave a yes. Now i fell Israel tries different scenarios to deal with this everlasting conflict. Bottom line I think you have so little knowledge of both sides that you fall for those lies that need to be spread by some palestinians.

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palikari123 (64) · 7 years ago

blah blah blah blah....

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Plan

sentience (34) · 7 years ago (edited)

Oh deary me indeed. More of the same responses Carey was talking about in that very video. Everybody that talks any sense is called an anti-semite or a self-hating Jew or even a hater of freedom and democracy. Please. These labels are used and overused over and over again to try and block people from a rational, moral and logical debate and those who use them willy-nilly are harming their own cause because people are not buying this ^%$#& anymore.

Ok, let's give you the benefit of the doubt and engage in a sensible respectful debate and see how long that lasts without me being called an anti-semite or something along those lines.

You ask "Why do you think no Jews live in the surrounding Arab states?" and then you suggest that they were hunted and needed to flee to Israel. First off, Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews still exist in the Levant and wider middle east such as Yemen, Morrocco, Iran, etc. Many have immigrated to Israel yes but not all. Jews have existed all over the middle east for centuries and yet they suddenly decide to "flee"? why? If there was an intrinsic hate towards Jews in the Middle East then how do you explain the fact that they survived there for centuries without being hunted or persecuted? Some would argue that it is because of Israel and it's wars with the Arab states and the black flag operations conducted in the arab world to scare the jews and force them into immigrating to Israel. The Ashkenazi migrants were simply not enough to complete the one million Jewish migrant goal established by the early zionist leaders.

Mezrahi and Sephardic Jews are still being treated like third class citizens in Israel and forced to be cut out from their Arabic culture and heritage.

then you go on to say that the Palestinians ar ethe weapons of surrounding arab states? and that they have "not wanted a 2 state solution for 6 times in the past?" They say the devil is in the details but I say the devil is in superficially shallow interpertations. Not once were the Palestinians offered a sovereign state side by side with the Israelis with East Jerusalem as their capital. All the so called offers were basically self rule over a prison or like the reservations indigenous Americans got from the US. These so called solutions were offered specifically because the Israelis knew that the Palestinians had more dignity and self respect than to accept them and that is ultimately the goal of all Israeli "negotiations". To extend the status quo for as long as they can.

And maybe saying that Jews kill Palestinians is indeed questionable but saying that Israeli IDF forces kill Palestinians routinely and on a day to day basis is most defenitely true.

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fishyculture (60) · 7 years ago

Aw, looks like your propaganda was flagged down to zero! Better call in your troll patrol!

cygon (49) · 7 years ago

I find this to be true far too often. The people who make the most noise about the conflict are the ones who understand it the least. I think Bibi's rhetoric and policies are incredibly unhelpful for moving towards peace, but the situation is far more nuanced than anyone can understand without having been there. I've been to the West Bank, I've been in settlements, I've been in the rest of Israel. Life is relatively peaceful most of time. Gaza is a terrible situation, but Hamas is bears much of the blame for that.

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