23 Additional Steemit Defense League Accounts had their delegation revoked

andrewharland (66) · 6 years ago

@fionmaxi

Yet another account for your attention

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christianunger (50) · 6 years ago

Thanks for doing this @themarkymark
Got another one here: https://steemd.com/@atartouine

The sad thing is that real users have to wait 3 weeks for their free steemit account approval and at the same time we see dozens of free accounts used for this nonsense flagging.

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smitop (52) · 6 years ago

@callunabot

Also appears to be SDL.

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psos (63) · 6 years ago

Really god job @themarkymark :) but a question... It is technical possible to remove accounts from steem? Or the remove means to flag, blacklist, etc..?

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themarkymark (78) · 6 years ago (edited)

No, there is no current system in place to disable/remove accounts. An account can choose to make their stake non-voting, which takes 30 days to activate but that's it. This was put in place to give Steemit Inc a way to enter into an irreversible contract on the blockchain it would not vote with their stake. Any account can choose to use this feature but it cannot be reversed once executed.

Outside of that, there is no way to kill an account with the current blockchain rules outside of countering their votes with flags.

Doing so would change the game dramatically and would likely result in a lot of users leaving the platform if their investment could be nuked, even if they were not a bad actor, just the fact it was possible is enough to scare off a lot of people.

If you think about the logistics it is very disturbing. I would assume you would use witnesses to mediate this type of thing, there is one user that significantly controls who is in the top 50 much less top 20. Absolute control is down to a handful of powerful votes. This creates a system where very few people can put a lot of pressure on key people to influence this type of decision. If you leave it up to the users, how do you determine a pass/fail? It cannot be on 50% or even 70%, out of the 1M+ accounts only 50K or so are really active.

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https://www.sec.gov/news/testimony/testimony-virtual-currencies-oversight-role-us-securities-and-exchange-commission

sunlit7 (59) · 6 years ago

If someone can't nuke someone else's account then how would you explain this quote from someone named dreemit to me a couple weeks back: If she wanted to, if she was the type of person you are making her out to be, she could flag your account to zero. It's not the first time someone suggested such a thing. I didn't agree with a couple other people when I first came to the site on a topic and they both told me if I replied back again I'd be flagged to zero.

I was having a conversation the other day with someone about the opinion of the SEC Chairman on crypto currency, his opinion was that it's a mistake to think that tokens don't have value and that when used/exchanged it should be treated the same as a cash transaction and that crypto's/tokens fall under the same regulatory regulations of state and federal banking laws, which means that anybody striking someone's wallet down to zero over not liking a comment is against the law, their wallet is as protected as any bank account someone may hold. I would assume that doing so out of fraud and abuse would be different but he didn't hit on that subject. You can read his whole testimony on crypto currencies here:

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smitop (52) · 6 years ago

Nobody can remove any STEEM/SBD in your balance (or unclaimed post rewards), except for you.
However, someone with a lot of SP could remove the pending rewards on all your posts/comments less than 7 days old.

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themarkymark (78) · 6 years ago

"Flagging to zero" means flagging an account until their rep is (0) or (-1).

When your rep is that low you posts and comments look greyed out, but they are not invisible.

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sunlit7 (59) · 6 years ago

I suppose the rep never recovers?

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ipromote (64) · 6 years ago

not without votes

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smitop (52) · 6 years ago

Steemit Inc actually hasn't revoked their voting ability, despite them being able to.

Also, accounts can effectively be destroyed, if enough witnesses ignore transactions by a certain user. It would also help if a lot of P2P nodes discard those transactions too.

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psos (63) · 6 years ago

Well.. think I got it, anyway like everywhere there always some Injustice and we have to manage them the best way we can.
Let's Steem On and chillout!

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pirateofthedtube (52) · 6 years ago

It's probably for the best that accounts can't be deleted - that could risk censorship. I mean, if accounts get knocked down to .1 SP they might as well not exist anyway when it comes to downvoting.

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curlfamilyvlog (62) · 6 years ago

I never understood the reasoning or desire some have to do nothing more with their time and energy than to try to destroy someone else. Whatever happened to if you do not like something don't look at it, read it or engage with it.

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jeanpi1908 (63) · 6 years ago (edited)

Hi @themarkymark I have another one here. Thank you for your work.
https://steemd.com/@johnblackfield

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themarkymark (78) · 6 years ago

On my list for the next batch, thanks.

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jeanpi1908 (63) · 6 years ago

Your welcome

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kit.andres (65) · 6 years ago

Thanks for the contribution.

First of all, it's a great job that you are doing for the Steem network users, thank you.

Blog posts category in Utopian is mainly focused on the projects promotion. For this reason, it's really important to present good looking posts, with detailed, original and understandable information about the projects.

Your submission format is good, but the content is focused in an update about new accounts that their delegation has been revoked, and not in the redeemer-irredeemables repository (project). Looking at your previous posts, I have found some posts with very similar content to this one, and it's important for the category that each publication is original and offers new values to the project. Similar posts in which you only add a report about new SDL accounts can hardly fit the category.

Also, when I visit the repository in Github, I see a repository only with .txt files, and is hard to understand how it connects with the Redeemer application and how it works.

A more suitable approach for the blog posts category could be write your post trying to explain to new users what is the Redeemer application, how it works and how is helping them, the goal is to make the projects known to users.

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themarkymark (78) · 6 years ago

Ok, will just avoid using utopian-io tag on these posts.

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pirateofthedtube (52) · 6 years ago

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asadpannu (45) · 6 years ago

Steemit is very good work i like it sir i am new user on steemit

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iamstan (62) · 6 years ago

Thanks @themarkymark! You @nextgencrypto and @timcliff seem to be the only ones who really care about this. I don't know what the community would do if we didn't have you.

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fictionalfacts (51) · 6 years ago

It's a good thing that all that delegated steem power for signing up has been taken away from those accounts.

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mustavi (67) · 6 years ago

I'm just trying to make my reputation up with my hard work and not understand much about a lot of things but when people using this community to make easy money it will be really painful for people like me. Thanks @themarkymark for your contribution.

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steevc (73) · 6 years ago

What is the process to get the STINC delegation withdrawn from an account? Are they basing it on your blacklist? I only realised recently that this was happening and it's good that it does to counter some of the abuse here. I'm curious as to how people manage to get so many accounts created. I've seen some people with a set of numbered accounts voting them up. I would think that would be easy to detect when validating accounts. A simple database query would do the job. I understand that HF20 will help matters as new accounts will not require a delegation. I hope we will see that soon. It was promised in 'early Q3 2018' and that's where we are now.

Thanks for your efforts to make Steem/Steemit a better place.

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themarkymark (78) · 6 years ago

There is the Steemit Inc Redeemer - Irredeemables project.

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steevc (73) · 6 years ago

I just found that yesterday. I assume there are a limited set of people who are trusted to update the lists. I think this should be better known. Maybe we need a little more on the FAQ

Thanks

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utopian-io (71) · 6 years ago

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steemitboard (66) · 6 years ago

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netscape101 (39) · 6 years ago (edited)

You just mentioned berniesanders has a useful project to counter these people. But his fake abuse service downvotes me just cause I wrote a post to expose that his @abuseservice flags people he doesnt like for his own benefit. I used to think you were one of the legit people on here but now I am having my doubts. https://steemit.com/abuse/@netscape101/what-happens-when-you-write-some-true-journalism-on . Bernie if you are reading this just remember that you can downvote me all you want on here but my presence on the internet is not limited to steemit.

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netscape101 (39) · 6 years ago

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davewuk (55) · 6 years ago

Another one for you: https://steemit.com/@kipotusong

Many thanks for pursuing this

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tornadoman (51) · 6 years ago (edited)

I got two panppeter and beinprofre

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themarkymark (78) · 6 years ago

Have those two for the next update, thanks.

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https://steemd.com/@fionsamerica

aiyumi (59) · 6 years ago

Just got downvoted by this one a few hours ago:

It might be one of them too. Account created today (July 28) and has already been flagging a lot of people.

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themarkymark (78) · 6 years ago

Thanks

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