Steem Bot Tracker - New bot indicator, info, and more!

in utopian-io •  7 years ago  (edited)


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I apologize that it has been so long since my last round of updates to the Steem Bot Tracker website. I've been crazy busy between various Steem projects, vacations, and huge storms knocking out power in northeastern US! During that time I've received a lot of great ideas and requests from the community, and I'm happy to share that some of them are now implemented!

If you have a suggestion or feature request I encourage you to submit an issue on the GitHub repo for the project. That's the best way to make sure I see it and don't forget about it!

New Config Settings for Bid-Based Voting Bot Owners

A number of new features have been added to the bid-based voting bot software packages over the past few weeks and I've started to add them to the bot owner configuration tool so that they can be shown on the bot tracker website.

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The new settings are as follows:

  • Min Post Age - This is the minimum age (in minutes) of a post that can be submitted to the bot. If this is set to 20 minutes, then if a post would be voted on by the bot before it's 20 minutes old then the bid will be refunded. The goal is to prevent people from posting some crap right before the bidding round ends and then buying a vote just to earn a profit by circumventing the curation rewards.

  • Round Fill Limit - This specifies the limit of how full each round can get for this bot. A limit of 1 means that once the value of the bids sent to the bot equals the total value of the bot's vote (after curation) then the bot will stop accepting bids for that round. This is meant to prevent rounds from becoming too overbid which can lead to a large loss for everyone in the round.

  • Posts Comment - Indicates whether or not the bot posts a comment on the posts that it upvotes.

  • Blacklisted Tags - A comma-separated list of tags that are blacklisted by the bot. This means that any bids submitted for posts containing one or more of the tags in this list will not be accepted and will be refunded.

I highly encourage all bot owners to update their bot settings here: https://steembottracker.com/config.html

New indicator / filter for bots that don't post a comment

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This was a very highly requested feature to be able to easily see and filter for bots that do not post a comment when they upvote a post. Now bots that do NOT post a comment will have the indicator icon shown above and there's also a filter for that icon which you can click to only see those bots.

Added "ROI Limit" column to the bid-based voting bots table

As mentioned above there is now an option for bot owners to specify a "round fill limit" setting which limits the amount of bids which are accepted each round and therefore guarantees a certain level of return on bids.

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As you can see from the image above the @postpromoter bot currently guarantees no worse than -10% ROI on all bids. I personally believe this is a good number since I think the ROI from using voting bots should come from the increased visibility and not directly from the bot's vote. I think that a max -10% ROI is enough to prevent spammers from using the bot for direct profit while still preventing legitimate posters from taking a large loss from over-bid rounds.

I hope that more bots begin to experiment with this feature and that a wide array of different options will become available in the near future.

Updates to the Front Run the Bots feature

Previously the Front Run the Bots feature did not take into account the age of the post, so most of the time posts that showed a very high curation reward were in fact just very new posts, and due to the reverse-auction mechanism would actually yield very low curation rewards. Thank you to all of the people who brought this to my attention!

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It has now been fixed so that the payout calculation will take into account the age of the post, so if you see a high curation payout for a post you can be assured that it is correct.

Additionally, I changed how the curation payout was presented. Previously it would show an ROI figure as a percentage of your vote value. So if your vote is worth $1 and you would get $0.50 curation rewards, then it would show -50% ROI.

I felt this was misleading since actually a $0.50 reward for a $1 vote is pretty good. As you can see in the image above I've changed this to directly show the curation reward per $1 of vote value.

Updates to the delegation manager tool

The delegation manager tool has been really popular and I've received a lot of feedback on how to improve it. I've finally gotten around to making a few of those improvements, and again I always welcome additional comments and suggestions!

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The first update is that it won't let you delegate too much SP. I had some cases of people delegating all of the SP in their account and then not being able to use the account anymore due to bandwidth limiting.

In addition, the delegation manager also takes into account SP tied up in a power-down when calculating the max amount available to delegate, since SP being power-down cannot be delegated.

Thanks for your support!
As always I want to thank everyone who has helped and supported me in creating this tool. I love that it has been able to help so many people learn about and use vote selling services to promote their content and grow their following and earnings on the Steem platform. Once again if you have a suggestion or feature request I encourage you to submit an issue on the GitHub repo for the project. Please stay tuned for more updates in the coming weeks!

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Super work. Do you have a link for how we can create our bot and integrate it with your code? I checked your github but couldn't find instructions. Would love to set up a bot.

(I am a coder too)

Hi @hitwill, if you would like to create a bid-based voting bot you can use the post promoter software which I have created here: https://github.com/MattyIce/postpromoter

You can also contact me on Discord or steemit.chat if you want to discuss further.

very nice, looks awesome!!

Hey Will, just a random question came in my mind. Probably not even relevant. But do you consider setting up a general bot? emm something that dawn on me was that it is really hard to find a good upvote bot that would be dedicated to a specific theme or a niche. Idk if it's plausible or not. Waned to share it so...yea. haha But anyhow, best of luck!

Thanks for that - actually looking to create a bot but hadn't thought about dedicating it to a certain niche

Hi Will, It's a great idea to dedicate to a certain niche - the bot would quickly become widely known in that niche and users would prefer it to other general bots.
However, please consider making a second bot for art lovers because presumably, your bot would service the tech and coding guys...lol.

Regards

If you like you can also delegate some SP to me. We can discuss the price.

There is issue with SteembotTracker Delegation Tool, may be because of this update:

In addition, the delegation manager also takes into account SP tied up in a power-down when calculating the max amount available to delegate, since SP being power-down cannot be delegated.

If my account has 1000SP out of which I delegated 500 to some account say @spydo and now I want to increase/update my delegation to 600SP, since the effective SP left in my account is 500 and I want to Update delegation to 600 SP, the tool is returning this error message:Screenshot_2018-03-06-07-33-00-852_com.android.chrome.png which I think should not be there since I want to Update my delegation and moving it from one account to another.

Great catch, thank you! This is now fixed. Please let me know if you find any other issues!

Hi buddy,

I know that this is not very "fresh" post but I still hope you can advise/help me.

I was trying to use steembottracker.com to boost my posts and I experimented a little bit with this tool.

My impression is:

  1. if Im planning to upvote my own post as soon as possible after post has been published, then I will benefit the most as an author and curators will benefit very little (as they will most likely upvote after bots did their job).

Is that correct?

  1. So if I would like to benefit my curators (as Im really here for right reasons) then the best think is:
  • NOT self-voting right after I publish post
  • allow curators to upvote on your post (hopefully they autovote)
  • after 30minutes self-vote and then start using bots.

This way my own reward as an author will be smaller, but all my curators would get bigger portion of reward. Am I right?

I hope you can share your experience. And of course check out my profile if you are passionate about cryptomarket or AI.

Cheers, Piotr

Hey man - first of all, please don't post the same comment on every single one of my posts! One post is plenty.

Everything you said is correct, and I would recommend that you wait even longer than 30 minutes to upvote your posts and/or buy upvotes for them to allow your curators as much time as possible to get in. In my opinion this is a good strategy for long-term success on the platform.

I will check out your profile - good luck!

Hi
you're very right. I shouldnt do that. I value your knowledge and I tried to read most of your posts related to this topic and I simply wanted to be noticed.

Im sorry and one more time thx. I will definetly follow you as I value your knowledge a lot.

EEK! Please help - The indication of what time limit the bots have is gone now.

You used to have a column telling how many days the bot would vote up to and today it is gone. This is a very crucial piece of information.

I love using this and appreciate all your efforts.

Hi @fitinfun - that was a mistake! Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I will try to get the max age info back up as soon as possible.

I saw you got it back, and thank you so much. The day without it was very exciting and I'm glad it's back. My brain is very taxed as it is!

For your attention:

  1. Your website does not contain the criterion of whether a bot votes on comments
  2. booster, minnowbooster, greengrowth and steemdiffuser employ automatic refunds but are absent in the list of automatic refund bots, and they are among the most reliable auto-refund bots.
  3. Contrary to including 4 of the most reliable bots, you included a few bots with iffy refunds, which automatically refund, except from the times when they do not, and they make the good omissions stand out even more.
  4. Your website's concept can be implemented without necessitating Javascript, like the best of them all (perfect software and garbage as a service), steemd.com can, even leaving a couple of features disabled without JS, but you made it fully dysfunctional without JS, which is always a bad sign.

After all of the above, I benefited off your website.

Thanks for your comments and suggestions!

  1. The site does show a comment bubble icon next to bots that allow voting on comments. Very few bots allow that though and there is currently no filter for that so you just need to scan the list for that icon.

  2. Booster was down for an extended period of time so it was removed from the site. When/if it is back up and running it will be added back in. Minnowbooster is not a bid-based voting bot so it has its own display in the Content Promotion Services section. I am not familiar with greengrowth.

  3. I try to include all bots in the site except for ones that are intentionally scamming users. I cannot police the huge number of bots on the site however if I receive complaints from users about a bot not functioning as advertised I work with the owner of the bot to rectify the situation or they will be removed from the site.

  4. Yes, it can definitely be implemented without JS. I built the site in my spare time and it's free to use for everyone. I focus the little time I have on features which are requested by the users and other than you no one has had an issue with the site's use of JS. The site's code is also open source so if you feel strongly about the use of JS then I would encourage you to make the desired changes and submit a pull request!

  1. Good to know. The majority's disablement of comment voting only increases the necessity for it to be a category in itself, and there are much more comment upvoters than I thought before.

  2. Minnowbooster started as and remained throughout a bid-based voting bot, it gained more functionalities, but it is still a bidbot.
    Now you are familiar with greengrowth and steemdiffuser .
    Greengrowth is quite similar to your honestbot, except it enables upvotes on comments and its automatic prevention of overbidding is more lenient and still rare just due to its existence.

  3. At least 2 of the bots you currently have listed are intentionally scamming users, and while it may be outside of your responsibility to care for it, it does make your omissions of good bots in their relevant categories more glaring.

  • Notice that I edited my previous comment multiple times since you replied on it.

smartwhale also disappeared from the automatic refunds category or it just misses there.

To me, the time deadline on bids column was so much more useful than the current ROI limit column, and it helped spare the blockchain from redundant sends and refunds due to this deadline.
Did this change happen in the last 24 hours?

Minnowbooster is definitely not a bid-based voting bot. Bid based voting bots split up a 100% vote every 2.4 hours between everyone who has sent in a bid in that time. Minnowbooster gives a fixed value upvote right away.

Please let me know what bots you feel are intentionally scamming users and I will review and remove them from the site if I find that to be the case.

The removal of the max post age column was an accident and has since been re-added.

This comment has received a 45.45 % upvote from @steemdiffuser thanks to: @stimialiti. Steem on my friend!

Above average bids may get additional upvotes from our trail members!

Get Upvotes, Join Our Trail, or Delegate Some SP

You got a 14.29% upvote from @greengrowth thanks to @stimialiti! You too can use @GreenGrowth by sending your post URL in the memo field to the bot. Minimum bid is 0.01.

If you feel this post is spammy or not worthy of @Greengrowth you can contact a moderator in our Discord Channel https://discord.gg/6DhnVTQ.

You got a 100.00% upvote from @greengrowth thanks to @stimialiti! You too can use @GreenGrowth by sending your post URL in the memo field to the bot. Minimum bid is 0.01.

If you feel this post is spammy or not worthy of @Greengrowth you can contact a moderator in our Discord Channel https://discord.gg/6DhnVTQ.

This comment has received a 1.80 % upvote from @steemdiffuser thanks to: @stimialiti. Steem on my friend!

Above average bids may get additional upvotes from our trail members!

Get Upvotes, Join Our Trail, or Delegate Some SP

You got a 50.00% upvote from @greengrowth thanks to @stimialiti! You too can use @GreenGrowth by sending your post URL in the memo field to the bot. Minimum bid is 0.01.

If you feel this post is spammy or not worthy of @Greengrowth you can contact a moderator in our Discord Channel https://discord.gg/6DhnVTQ.

Good work bud, a few good updates that I think will benefit bot users. One very minor thing I noticed was a minor grammar mistake, they not the. I know its not a big deal, but a professional like yourself is probably looking for perfection

Guess that filter doesn't apply to me!

Thanks! I'm embarrassed that I didn't catch that!

No biggy, I was just not picking, but if the roles were reversed i would want someone to point it out to me. Good work

I love the ROI limit. Glad we now know the worst case scenario, I have been having a hard time with low ROI lately. Great new feature I will definitely use thanks!

Any advise? I am working on my first little project on the steemit blockchain and I am trying to automatically redeem my rewards and then convert them straight into steem, but the documentation says I have to wait a week for the conversion(from SBD to steem) to settle??? And it I don't seem to be able to make a bid lower than the market rate (I like a bargain) Is there any way around this? Any advise would be truely appreciated.

I'm not sure what documentation you are looking at but if you're trying to sell SBD to STEEM on the internal market it is instant and you should be able to set whatever bid/ask price you would like.

Feel free to contact me on discord or steemit.chat and i can try to help you in more detail.

Your awesome thanks!

Thanks for the update @yabapmatt, I love this tool, it is so helpful for us who are new to Steemit. I never fully understood bots on Steemit until I discovered your tool. I now see that they have a very legitimate and useful purpose for the community. I have used a few of the bots and they have been great for post promotion.

They next function on Steemit that I want to investigate and use is 'SP delegation'. I have read a fair bit on the benefits of delegating SP. @jerrybanfield had a great video explaining it. Awesome to see that you have an easy to use tool for delegating. I will be sure to use it when I am ready to start delegating.

Once again thanks for your efforts and dedication to the platform, I am very happy and proud to have you as one of my witness votes.

I just recently got around to using bots on my posts. I can tell you that SteemBotTracker has really helped me in making this transition. I actually don't know about most of these services you mentioned above but I'll check them out.

Thank you for listening to the community. Sometimes in the future, I should be able to contribute my voice to the development of the project as soon as I become an expert user.

i was looking at bots from couple of days using bot tracker.. most of the BOTS ROI was negative. With this enhancements it will for sure help. Gosh you have put in lot of effort. I found you recently all your work is tremendous. Thank you much for all this enhancements.

Wow, ROI limit is a fantastic addition! I fully agree with you that -10% is an optimal number to balance between safety and abuse.

I also have one idea for the Front Run the Bots feature - maybe add a column that indicates to which bot the user has paid the vote. This could be useful because there are individuals that flag posts supported by certain bots.

Thank you for your hard work!

P.S. I've just noticed that the Max Post Age column is no longer visible, I'm not sure if it is a bug or an intentional change.

Good idea about adding the column to indicate which bots were used to the front run feature! I will definitely add that to my development list.

Also thank you for pointing out that the max age column is missing (as have other commenters) - that was a mistake and I will get that added back in asap!

Thanks for this post. I actually just used this for the 1st time on one of my posts today. This is all so new to me and everyday I learn a little more. The one thing that I have had no success with is finding a local support group to help me grow and learn faster. I live in NE NC. Do you have any suggestions? Perhaps if you have time take a look at my blog and offewr some advice. Thanks @journeyfreedom

I don't know of any local support groups in that area, but there are a lot of support groups open to everyone like @minnowsupport for example.

Great post!
I've learned something so new here in your post.
Thanks!

Now I came across one question.
Does your site Steembottracker cover every single voting bots there are in Steemit? Or is the owner's preference whether they want to post/advertise it on your site or not?

I got curious if your site is equipped with some technology to spot any voting bots that are active.

It could be a silly question as I am writing it, but from a perspective of non-tech person, I am interested to know.

Thanks!

I don't have any technology to detect and add voting bots automatically. Bot owners must contact me to add their bot to the site and I review the bot to make sure it works as advertised before adding it.

Great!
Thanks for making sure of that so that Steemit keeps healthy and fair environment for everybody.

Thanks for all your hard work and the update post. It really helped me to understand more about the site changes. One question that I have is the removal of the "front runner" filter for bid bots. Where did it go?

I removed the front runner filter since very few bots actually have a front runner group anymore.

Ok. I didn't realize that. I was hoping that more of them would use the front runner option. Thanks for the reply and again, I really appreciate the work you put into the site.

I'm still not sure what to think about paid upvote bots. But I don't think I can really be positive about them.

Because, was this really something steemit was created for?
Try to earn money by buying upvotes?
And the trending and hot are totally spoiled. I could just post any shit and get it into trending 😥

Instead of everyone using their votes for quality content, it's being a rat race to earn as much as possible.

Having a bid limit will probably only move the issue a little bit. Cause guess what will happen then...

I cannot say what steem was or was not created for, I can only look at how it works and what is allowed and what isn't. Paid votes are allowed and therefore are going to happen. Rather than fighting something that is not going to go away, I am doing what I can to make them as transparent and user friendly as possible.

You have a fair point. My feeling says that no one is talking about ethics here. At least that's what I have learned so far. You just take it as it is or you quit. So basically everyone is free to try to earn as much as possible no matter how you do it. It feels still strange, but that's what it is.

I just discovered something strange. Looks like an upvoting bot is broken. Did you ever see or hear this?
https://steemit.com/upme/@crypto-econom1st/upme-broken

You just take it as it is or you quit.

I don't think this is the case at all. There is tremendous opportunity to create new sites and services built on the steem blockchain other than steemit.com. The new features that SteemIt, Inc is working on will also do a lot to encourage that.

So hopefully there will be lots of new sites that pop up using the steem blockchain in the not-too-distant future which will try to address a lot of the issues many users see on steemit.com right now.

Regarding @upme, there is really not much information in that post but @upme is a very reputable bot that has been running without issue for a long time so I give them the benefit of the doubt in this situation.

Thanks for all your answers!
And thanks for contacting the owner of the bot. In the end it seems to be a bug all big bots suffer from....

@yabapmatt hi matt, that's really a great update, shall we update the bot's source code or only its config? Thanks

The post promoter source code was updated to add these features a little while ago, so if you already have a recent version of the code then now all you would need to do is update the config to match your bot's settings.

thanks for the answer @yabapmatt but how to know if the code contains the required features? Is there a way to easily update the source code or the most secure way is by removing it and re-setting it up?

hi. I am sending 7.60 SBD - not upvoting. please help. url link
https://steemit.com/tr/@googletr/herkes-yagmura-siir-yazdi

My apologies - I do my best to make sure every bid gets a vote but sometimes issues or problems occur. Your bid has been refunded. Please let me know if you have any other issues.

nice. I've been hoping for these updates. I gotta tell you that I shy away from bid bots because I tend to lose out on them. I prefer the instant upvotes on the site like minnow and smart. Im going to give the bid bots another look though.

completely agree. I used bots when i first started out, but for the most part I stay away from them now

Nice updates. I really appreciate the work you put to make steembottracker more user friendly and more easy to be understandable. But I can't see the max post age of the bots. Hope you will fix it too.

steembottracker really helped me in analyzing upvote bots, I find it helpful, and the result is very satisfactory.
This information is best, steembottracker adds new features.
good luck steembottracker and thanks @yabapmatt

Thanks a lot for helping me promote my bots, sir! Really appreciate it!

These are some pretty cool updates. Also what bot vote value would you advise if I were to join steembottracker bidding? I noticed one bot that had only a 0.02 sbd vote. I apologize if these are some run of the mill questions, I am new to the steemit platform. Thanks again for the updates, they will be very useful!

Hi @yabapmatt , thank you for all your work you're doing and i'm happy to meet you. Is by any chance thiss bot yours? https://steemit.com/@spydo? I wanted to do a translation of how to delegate to it in my language so my community can use it too , this post in particular: https://steemit.com/delegation/@spydo/delegation-guide-get-max-return-for-your-delegation , is it fine by you this? I deleted the content on my article until i will get your approval so please when you get the chance write me your answer. Thank you and i hope you're having a great day!

Hi @sunnyali, I am not the owner of @spydo. I would suggest you try to contact them through a comment on that post to see if they would like you translate their article.

oh ok @yabapmatt , thank you for your answer..was confusing because in their post they referred at steembottracker as being part of their project so made me think it's your too. I did comment and got some positive feedbacks from the bot's first delegators and users and i'm waiting for his approval too..i heard that he might not be online for a while..will have to see how it will be. Thank you again, i wish you much good luck and health to you, and your lil' wonderful kid and your entire family:)!

Thank you for this useful information.. I sent 4sbd to @postpromoter and my post has been upvoted. Thanks. Long live steemit. I will tell my friends about you and am sure they will be interested in using your bot

hello good day friend, for sure your information will be very useful, you have excellent day.

I notice that many of the bots are not showing on your tracker now, some dropping off as their listing is done. Are they no longer going to be a part of your tracker site?

Can you try adjusting the vote value slider or other filters to see if they are just being filtered out or if there is another issue?

Thanks for the suggestion. That fixed it. I have never used that bar so never occurred to me. I appreciate you responding with the solution.

This post very informative for me. Thank you!!

I just recently found the steembottracker website and it is indeed brilliant..
I've learned a thing or two about bots..
Thank you for keeping us updated

Postpromotor is the first with a ROI limit of -10%. What does this mean?

This means that once the value of the bids in a round exceeds the value of the bot's vote by 10% the bot will stop accepting bids for that round. This ensures that users will not take more than a 10% loss on their bid due to over-bidding by other users.

And is that 10% loss including curation?

I also noticed that you added minimum post age. To prevent people posting and paying in the last 2 minutes. This really seems to be a rat race 😥😩
I don't know what to think of it 🤔. You are right that maybe it should not be possible to make a big profit from the paid upvote bots. But on the other hand the people delegating their SP do earn nicely. And all their votes are gone for the main goal/purpose of upvoting quality content.

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Hello! I appreciate your work for Steemit. Help me understand the situation. Sent 0.200 SBD to Minnowvotes in Steem Bot Tracker and did not receive a voice and a refund, too. For me, even 0.200 SBD is money. I am newbie.

Hi @hellenn - did you try contacting @minnowvotes directly? They should refund your bid if you did not get a vote. Please let me know if you cannot get in touch with them and I will make sure you get your refund.

Unfortunately, I could not contact them. I did not receive a vote, and I did not get a refund either.

Ok sit tight, it seems like a bunch of bids were missed for some reason. I'll put some pressure on them to refund them.

I did not want to distract you with such a trifle. It just became unpleasant. Thank you for not leaving this problem without attention.

Hey @yabapmatt I am @utopian-io. I have just upvoted you!

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Thank you for giving us bot informaton

Can you add me to the Other Bots section?

great,@yabapmatt...
this tool influnences all over and brings so good news...
upvoted sir,
follow you..

All good updates!

Hi, thank you for putting effort to create such a good content. Upvoted and followed.

I read your post, watched number of youtube videos and read few other articles about steemit bots and Im still a little bit confused.
Assuming that Im just a new user with very few followers and Im planning to build some content (hopefully interesting).
Should I try to use bots as soon as post is being published or as late as possible?

Please advise

Are the ROI calculations guaranteed? I have seen several instances (with screen shots) of a bidbot going to (20%) or (60%) when its says (10%) maximum ROI. I think something might be off. If you want the screen shots, let me know the best way to share.

Thanks for the information sir.