Vaccines Kill Children - Here&#x27;s Proof!

theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago (edited)

Hello!

@sco just published an article finding some MAJOR MISTAKES in your argumentation. I would encourage you to read it and then answering to the arguments. Here is a link: Investigating the truth behind steemtruth’s “truth” - Part 3: Vaccines kill children?

I dont wan't this to be driven by hate or anything, I just want you to take part in what you want yourself:

It’s time that we had fair, transparent and intelligent conversations and debates at the local, national and global level.

If you stick to your words, you will read his article, think about it and answer to it!

Greets,
Martin

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steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago (edited)

Thank you for alerting me to this post Martin and for giving me an opportunity to respond. I will go through the post and respond in due course. This will take some time so please give me that time. I will respond. Please do not ask me for updates. You will hear from me within a week at the latest.

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theaustrianguy (72) · 7 years ago

Great :) I don't want to hurry you, good research takes time. I think we all prefer a well-thought answer after one week to a rushed one after one hour!

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slimanepro (64) · 7 years ago

This is horrible ..
Day after day, we discover that we are completely drugged by these regimes that seek interests at the expense of peoples
Increasing taxes. Media fake ..

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tremendospercy (65) · 7 years ago

Sadly big Pharma and their bought and paid puppets in national governments doubled down on the lies and cover ups a long time ago so many more children are going to be vaccine damaged before anything ever changes.
Great information @steemtruth Resteemed of course, everyone needs to read and absorb this post.

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finnian (58) · 7 years ago

The number of vaccines given to children these days is disgusting. There's no good reason for it.

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

26 doses the first year of life.
60 countries better in IMR what does that tell you? more doses more deaths

finnian (58) · 7 years ago

Yep!

truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

The British Medical Journal
Only 6% of drug advertising material is supported by scientific evidence
http://www.bmj.com/content/328/7438/485.2.full

Doctors trusting drug thugs for their information
http://www.bmj.com/content/328/7438/485.2.full

steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago

Via the spreading of vaccine awareness we can save lives, including kids from the harmful and in some cases deadly side-effects of vaccines! More and more people are beginning to question the lies and propaganda that the medical profession and their governments keep telling them.

Thank you once again @tremendospercy

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jamesc (61) · 7 years ago

Just a side-note: As long as people are being extorted by non-voluntary taxes, there is no free market and it will always end bad..

My family and friends are really enjoying John Bergman on YouTube. I think you'll find his presentations very positive for what they cover and in a similar format. He demonstrates with examples and repeatedly encourages critical thinking .

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steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago

Good side note and thanks for the lead to John Bergman. I will definitely be checking him out.

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perceptualflaws (66) · 7 years ago (edited)

Good call on John Bergman @jamesc most people don't realise that the key to the vast majority of our health lays within the gut. Indeed within our bodies we carry a vast sum of diseases and it's the health and balance of said gut that keeps them at bay. From this perspective the problem is that many modern medicines destroy this essential gut balance i.e they alleviate symptoms at the expense of long term health.

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sungazer (39) · 7 years ago (edited)

This is so true. After a DPT vaccine in 1998, I tasted metal in my mouth for 2 weeks afterward -- a sign of impending shock according to one doctor -- then my health just fell apart. I developed an autoimmune condition which doctors couldn't identify. Everything I ate wrecked my gut. It has taken me YEARS to recover my health. I'll never get another vaccine again.

Perceptual ....not only does a healthy gut prevent disease, good nutrition is vital for recovery if you do become ill -- and of course you need a healthy gut to process that nutrition.

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perceptualflaws (66) · 7 years ago

Hey @sungazer and yes the problem is that because our guts become unbalanced that by the time we reach a certain age the vast majority of us are suffering from varying degrees of leaky gut. As such (like you say) a large percentage of what we eat is simply passed through our system and our bodies are unable to absorb the nutritional content of the food we eat. In essence you can have an amazing diet but will only receive a fraction of the benefits. From this perspective, I highly recommend buying kefir grains and producing your own kefir.

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sungazer (39) · 7 years ago (edited)

That makes so much sense -- about the leaky gut. And yes, kefir. I have dairy goats and am going to use the raw milk for making raw butter, raw cream, and raw cheese -- my first set of kids just weaned, so now I have milk. The last time I tried kefir, I had autoimmune/histamine issues with it, though it is possible it's because I was at the time feeding GMO grain to my goats --- which I no longer do. I got rid of the goats because I believed it was the dairy itself making me sick. Then a couple of years later I bought some raw goat milk from a woman who fed her goats only pasture, non-GMO hay, and lots of veggies and leftovers from their garden. I drank her milk all summer and experienced excellent results. So then I got some baby goats, and started all over again. I made my first batch of raw cheese yesterday, and will get some kefir grains next time I go to town for supplies. Fingers crossed!

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finnian (58) · 7 years ago

There's no profit to be had from healthy people.

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ladyselene07 (36) · 7 years ago

I strongly agree to this! I have a daughter who is 4 months old. During her 1st month,i observed how strong her lower limb is,she often kick and tried to stand on my stomach while carrying her. I really have a big doubts on giving her a vaccines since i heard and read some articles against vaccines, other part of me believes that she also need it coz that’s what i’ve learned as I am a licensed nurse, and so i did letting her pedia to gave her vaccines which is BCG, after a month they gave her first shot of Penta vaccine (consist of DPT,HiB,polio,HepaB). Reaction as expected is Fever.

After 3rd and 4th week of my observation, i decided to STOP letting her Pedia giving her 2nd dose of Penta. As i observed my daughter,that her lower limb is so weak than before,she can’t hardly kick nor stand compare on her first month. I realized that i can no longer put my child at risk by giving vaccines,and just continue my breastfeeding journey. A lot my friends questioned my decisions. But that’s a mom instinct.And now i’m so thankful to God that she’s so active,smart and healthy.

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reddust (71) · 7 years ago

A lot of my friends questioned my breast feeding, can you imagine that? I am sorry for your poor daughters suffering and relieved she has recovered. I didn't give vaccines to my children until they were older and I breast fed my kids as well, this was back in the early 80s. They were never sick until they started getting their vaccines after the age of 5 years old.

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ladyselene07 (36) · 7 years ago (edited)

really!? Can’t imagine they did questioning u about feeding, babies are meant to be fed from mothers milk! Not cow’s milk..🙄
Sad really, we can’t pleased them, even we want them to be educate. Whenever they’ve questioned us and we answered them along with proofs,they rather chose not to believe..😩

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reddust (71) · 7 years ago

Most of the mothers in my community worked and I think they would of loved to nurse their babies. Think they felt envy and guilt.... But during that time no one could afford to stay home. I made a choice to stay home and live lean so my babies could get a healthy start.

I was raised on a farm and all our bottle feed calves and sheep were weak and had poor health. I didn’t want that to happen to my kids. The money I saved on formula and childcare actually made staying home affordable.

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ladyselene07 (36) · 7 years ago

I salute u for that! That’s why i also stopped working as a nurse and rather use my nursing skills to takecare of my family since it would be more helpful. I did also tried to make some research to do natural remedies to improve more about our healths..My collegues think i’m crazy coz i’ve spent a lot of money to study and earn my degree in Nursing and i chose not to believe in conventional..for me it’s not bad to believe and learn between conventional medicine and natural medicines.. coz right now its really useful for us family.

I share this pic to you. I told them not to spend their money to flu vaccines but rather chose to spend more in vitamins..

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finnian (58) · 7 years ago

You youngest is not circumcised and barely has any vaccines at all and will not get any more. He is, without a doubt, the healthiest of the four children. It's no mystery.

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ladyselene07 (36) · 7 years ago

Wow that’s great!👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
My mom told me when we were a kid,they completed our vaccines. They never missed in our doctors appointment. And guess what, they always rushed us in the emegency room and spent 2-3weeks of confinement in the hospitals...

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finnian (58) · 7 years ago

When I was a kid, I only got a couple vaccines. These days they are completely out of control of course.

My Grave's Disease went undiagnosed for years because my parents had no idea what they were doing nutrition or health wise.

I still remember eating table sugar all the time too, and then I wondered why I had acne, was always sick, and my teeth were rotting no matter how many fluoride treatments I got. har har

When you were a child, did they crush up aspirin in sugar water when you were sick? LOL The stupidity.... it's mind boggling. I'd have a high fever, but they'd keep feeding me table sugar. Genius! ;-)

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ladyselene07 (36) · 7 years ago

imagine why most of the countries implement the vaccines faster than any projects,and why is it mandatory to all their people,even government is under big pharma!so powerful and corrupt!

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finnian (58) · 7 years ago

Yep, there's a lot of profit in death and sickness. :(

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newworldtech (31) · 7 years ago

Thank you for this post because todays people don't know so much thing about vaccines actually they know it wrong. Vaccines pass is not new but it is kind of unsuccessful process and the aim is gaining money for drug companies.

You should worry not only about vaccines but also for other drugs you should suspicious for them also.Especially childhood vaccines may have crucial and permanent damage

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finnian (58) · 7 years ago

It is a huge money maker for local doctors. Every vaccine they give you, they can charge for. I don't know what the mark up is, but I suspect it is a lot. A clinic sees 100 kids a day, and they all get multiple vaccines... $$$

truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago (edited)

Drug thugs make false claims all the time!
They have secret meetings like the Simpsonwood secret meeting.
They keep things confidential like SIDS.
They need customers not patients because a cured patient is a lost customer.
It is crazy out there! it is like one big experiment and we are the guinea pigs.

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finnian (58) · 7 years ago (edited)

Agreed. There's no golfing money to be made from healthy people. You can't charge 800 a visit for a healthy person. Healthy people don't need a "doctor."

sburton (58) · 7 years ago

Thanks for sharing the truth and spreading awareness about vaccines. Insightful and well written post! Much appreciated!

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steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago

Thank you very much!

http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/2/07-040089/en/

stockhausen (48) · 7 years ago

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. The benefits of vaccination extend beyond prevention of specific diseases in individuals. They enable a rich, multifaceted harvest for societies and nations. Vaccination makes good economic sense, and meets the need to care for the weakest members of societies. Reducing global child mortality by facilitating universal access to safe vaccines of proven efficacy is a moral obligation for the international community as it is a human right for every individual to have the opportunity to live a healthier and fuller life.
By not taking vaccines you're not only a hazard to yourself, but to the society, threatening future generations.

Spreading fake news and propaganda on steemit is just dumb. Please try to read up on the subject from valid sources. Here's a bunch you could read up on:

I'm sure you guys would say that the "World health Organisation" is corrupt and stupid. But before taking such conclusions, if you're serious about your view on vaccines, go through their references. They listed numeric of sources backing up what they write about vaccines.

Examples: Plotkin SL, Plotkin SA. A short history of vaccination. In: Plotkin SA, Orenstein WA, eds. Vaccines, 4th edn. Philadelphia: WB Saunders; 2004: 1-15.

Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety. 3–4 December 2003. Wkly Epidemiol Rec 2004; 79: 16-20.

Zhou W, Pool V, Iskander JK, English-Bullard R, Ball R, Wise RP, et al. Surveillance for safety after immunisation: Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) – United States, 1991–2001. MMWR Surveill Summ 2003; 52: 1-24.

Christenson B, Hedlund J, Lundbergh P, Ortqvist A. Additive preventive effect of influenza and pneumococcal vaccines in elderly persons. Eur Respir J 2004; 23: 363-8.

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molecular-wizard (49) · 7 years ago

Keep pushing your agenda while accusing others of the same. I assure you that nothing good comes from talking ridiculous shit about the STEM community and medicine while simultaneously relying on them to generate revenue from this type of content. Without big-bad science you wouldn't have a platform to preach from, and let's be honest, you're in this for the money by posting this on Steemit while hurling accusations of others being greedy.

"It’s time for Big Pharma, Gov’t and MSM to stop driving one-way agendas and manipulating data and test results"

Declared in confidence after manipulating data to push a one-way agenda. Trite.

Please don't use the "Science" tag for this again, as this is most certainly a perversion of it. Do you wonder why this material gets flagged? Wonder no longer.

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steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago

I could make much more money writing lighter content and earn more money than I do now, but I don't. You don't know me or what my motivations and intent are so please don't pretend that you do by linking my posts back money.

It has never been about money for me (sure it's helpful but it is not a primary driver). If you'd read my Why I'm on Steemit - Reason 4 blog you'd see that I have made plenty of money in the past and that I plan to give almost everything that I make away while I am still alive so that I can direct how it is spent.

If you'd read Billionaire Secretly Gives Away His Entire $8 Billion Fortune Away in 34 Years – True Story! you'd know that the actions of men like Chuck Feeney inspire me to help others.

Please don't use the "Science" tag for this again, as this is most certainly a perversion of it.

I didn't realize that you were the person in charge of the 'science tag' on Steemit. It must be a great responsibility and burden for you to carry the weight of determining what constitutes science. Should I pay homage to you and obey your wishes or should I continue to blog about the darker-side of science that more and more people are now questioning?

The graphs and findings in this post were assembled by a scientist with a PhD. Who are you to define and frame what is and isn't science? Greedy men have had a strangle hold on the sciences for over a hundred years. They determine the curriculum, who gets funding and who doesn't and generally dominate and control the narrative just as you are trying to do now.

You are free to blog about any topic that you wish and so am I. That's the wonderful thing about free speech. Only those with an agenda or something to hide are afraid of free speech and transparent and open debates like these.

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molecular-wizard (49) · 7 years ago

Shit dawg, I didn't know you were so virtuous and that scientists were so evil, but also somehow necessary to corroborate your minimalist MS Paint figures with psychedelic graphics to really make them pop!

And a scientist with a Ph.D? That's almost as good as Dr. Oz with an MD! Plenty of people who have a Ph.D are out to lunch, much like your post is. There is something in the sciences called consensus, and you should become familiar with it before you go hurling accusations and vilifying people who have dedicated their entire lives to reducing human suffering.

You've rehashed the same trite conspiratorial drivel for 3 posts this week now. The science community is getting real sick of your posturing as a truth-sayer, all while degrading them. I'm not the ambassador for the science community, but I'm certain they would agree with the sentiment that it's time to call it quits. There is a reason your garbage analysis gets flagged; it's a fucking public safety issue.

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https://www.fda.gov/ucm/groups/fdagov-public/@fdagov-bio-gen/documents/document/ucm123789.pdf

janellelanae (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

Unfortunately the science community is not in consensus. There are studies on both sides showing both the benefits and risks when you are willing to see the whole picture. You will quickly discover there is not a 100% guarantee that vaccines will work or that they are even safe for you and your family. As a mother of three, having witnessed "adverse reactions" myself in my children and others and then reading the vaccine package inserts you will find information that will really astound you.

If you have children or ever decide to have children these kinds of matters are not something you can just accept from the pharmaceutical and healthcare industry without first being very thorough. It is a fact that out of all developed countries the United States has the highest infant mortality rate and we also have the highest number of doses of various vaccines given before the age of 2. Every year they seem to add another one as well.

There are so many factors from toxins to genetics but I really urge you to dig deeper. You will be shocked when you start to see the truth. Here are a couple vaccine package inserts from the FDA. Just take a look at the "adverse reactions" aka "possible side affects" aka "contraindications" and the fact that vaccines like the MMR and chicken pox vaccine must be grown on living human tissue, tissue that was taken from fetuses should be cause for concern. We are taking viruses and bacteria mixed with DNA fragments and injecting them with a whole slew of preservatives including aluminum and formaldehyde. We cannot accept without knowing first ....

For the MMR

https://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM124514.pdf

and for the Dtap

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molecular-wizard (49) · 7 years ago

Trust me on this one, I used to be part of the anti-vaccination crowd back when I was rather impressionable in my late teens and early 20s. I understand that there can be adverse reactions -- a close friend of mine is an example of having an anaphylactic response -- but the "evidence" used to demonize scientists and medical health professionals as a part of some grandiose conspiracy is blatantly false. I also understand how the false sense of knowledge from these crowds can be so alluring, complete with the sensation of acceptance within a community where everyone is a part of the same self-validating ideological circle-jerk.

Of course the FDA lists the possibility of side effects -- shit happens in the real world and the medical community likes to be prepared. Vaccines are constantly in development to ensure that we can make safer and more effective immunizations; no one said vaccines were 100% effective -- only you did. I'd take the negligible risk of adverse reactions over the much higher probability of spreading diseases that carry debilitating consequences.

Also lol@"There's DNA fragments!"
There's DNA in the food you eat, and your own cells, and the bacteria in your mouth employ it as a structural component of dental plaque. Fun fact: Everyone is a mutant of some kind and DNA is everywhere. Humans got their ABO blood group proteins (the glycosyltransferases for the more literate) from bacteria in a horizontal gene transfer event estimated to have occurred around a million years ago. Might sound spooky to those who don't know any better, but it's really not. Stop with the scare tactics that exploit scientific ignorance to hawk a false narrative -- that is, unless your own scientific ignorance has been exploited to get you to join a cause, in which case you are excused. You may not know any different, but some of these people know not to perpetuate such flawed logic and call it "truth".

DNA does not work that way.jpg

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bellsx1 (45) · 7 years ago

Keep up the good fight brother. This has proven to be thankless work, except for your upvote on earlier comments in this post.

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http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/ilmed31&div=23&id=&page=

janellelanae (50) · 7 years ago (edited)

Its called insertional mutagenasis and it is when foreign DNA fragments are injected directly into tissues as this peer reviewed scientific study explains.

In addition eating DNA and injecting DNA are two very completely different things. Many of the potential risks listed under adverse reactions for many of these vaccines often list the very illness trying to be prevented therefore they know that in some individuals it actually gives them the illness thereby spreading it, not preventing it.

In addition autoimmune diseases are springing up following vaccination in previously healthy individuals as a result of insertional mutagensis.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/new-study-in-journal-of-public-health-finds-autism-and-cancer-related-to-human-fetal-dna-in-vaccines/5402912

This is old information but it is clear that its unpopular to share among people who seem to take it so personal that vaccines are not 100% safe nor 100% effective. The risks are too great and if you can ignore reading the vaccine package inserts but then proclaim them as safe you are being exactly what you are accusing of others...

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reddust (71) · 7 years ago

This guy is troll and can’t put up a good argument. When a commentor is demeaning and starts throwing fallacies like a monkey...it’s not worth the energy it takes to respond....

Unless you want to speak to the lurkers that are reading comments. I speak to the lurkers...

This is such a bad argument i actually giggled

I’m going to be writing an article on how to argue badly for a few laughs

Trust me on this one, I used to be part of the anti-vaccination crowd back when I was rather impressionable in my late teens and early 20s

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janellelanae (50) · 7 years ago

I know, he's being rather rude and condescending about it but I guess my hope is that if we can try our best to stop this "us" and "them" rhetoric we can share more truths. You are right some are simply trolls so wrapped up in their own perspective they cannot even consider information that may challenge that perspective but I guess I continue to respond thinking of my children... I've heard so many mothers say... I wish I had known there were risks before my daughter got her 6 month vaccines and suddenly had uncontrollable pretty regular seizures. I'll share and I'll try. At some point people see its not 100% for vaccine safety or effectiveness and just seeing that is a step I feel. Thank you @reddust

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molecular-wizard (49) · 7 years ago

Cute. I actually know a thing or two about DNA, recombination, and mutagenesis; you know, being a biochemist and all. The fetal tissue part is what really gets me, what with the appeal to morality and all. I'm pretty sure scientists make vaccines to kill babies -- that's gotta be it!

Thanks for trying out!

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janellelanae (50) · 7 years ago

Wait so if you know a thing or two about DNA why would you even compare eating DNA to injecting it. You know they are completely different... and what do you mean the fetal tissue really gets you? Do you mean you are unaware that vaccine manufacturers use live human tissue to grow human viruses for vaccines? And that in order to find compatible fetal tissue several fetal tissue samples were tested until viable host DNA was found? And besides that how can you proclaim vaccines prevent diseases which have "much higher probability of preventing diseases with debilitating consequences" when they in fact can give the recipient that very disease when the recipient's immune system does not respond as intended. It is true not all vaccines are created equal as each have very different rates of adverse reactions and effectiveness. But as someone who is educated in biochemistry, shouldn't you be looking at ALL of the facts especially if they don't all add up?

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

Cause and effect do you understand the difference ?

Does pimple pus prevent pimples ?

Cow pus prevented small pox ?

Poison prevents poison?

Toxoids prevent toxins ?

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molecular-wizard (49) · 7 years ago

You've spammed this same comment multiple times on multiple posts now. Do you seriously think immunology can be reduced do your haphazard analogies? It is evident you have no understanding as to how the immune system functions and will only appeal to information that fits your confirmation bias.

I believe it is you who does not understand cause and effect.

P.S. Your Steemit name is a tragic irony.

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

Understand immunology? Like what antibodies do not determine immunity?
"Effective" means that a vaccine is injected (vaccination) into the patient, and the patient develops an antibody. Vaccination does not mean that the patients develops an immunity.
Scientists prove that the antibodies from vaccinations
ARE NOT NEEDED.

To prove this, scientists from HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL, M.I.T., massachusetts general, san raffaele institute (Italy), and other institutes, co-authored and published on how they removed all antibodies from mice, leaving only B-Cells, which successfully fought off lethal viruses. This debunks vaccine manufacturers who say that vaccines are necessary to convey immunity. This
suggests that repeated vaccinations could be the reason why some vaccinated people lose their natural immunities, as their body tends to unnaturally rely on temporary, antibody-based immunities.
Immunity 2012 Mar 23; 36(3): 415-426:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3359130/pdf/nihms-377739.pdf

there is more to the immune system than just antibodies

I will repeat myself as many times as drug commercial repeat themselves about all the damn side effects just to get a hard on

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

I remember my first book on health and nutrition like 25 years ago lol

Oh those drug deficiencies

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erikraja (15) · 6 years ago

hypocrite. you will get help in myocardial infarction emergency from a doctor but not and advice from a cardiologist for vaccines.

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bellsx1 (45) · 7 years ago

Regarding Adverse Reactions: You would save a lot more people by taking guns and cars off the street then ending vaccine mandates. If people walked more that would help individual and public health.

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janellelanae (50) · 7 years ago

Well unless you know someone who has ended up with an auto immune disease following a vaccination, in rare cases coma and seizure occur, and then the fact that each vaccine has differing effectiveness rates is really the root of it. Each vaccine should be looked at separately and then their cumulative effects as well. Some will still choose a vaccine despite the risks but those risks are largely ignored and rarely communicated to parents of children or even adults themselves. When they start pushing shots like the HPV on our youth when it has not been proven effective against STD cancers and it has been causing infertility, comas, paralysis, seizures and death I have a serious problem with that, especially when news outlets shy away from covering those stories.

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bellsx1 (45) · 7 years ago

I cannot disagree with approaching each vaccine seperately, yet for the last 24 hours of debate on this article, the Anti-Vax opponents have changed arguments everytime I brought specific evidence to their arguments that support a different conclusion then their own.

I do not know any specifics about HPV vaccines, but I do know the risks were communicated early and often and I was never within the suggested demographic for that particular vaccine.

Anti-Vaxxers are on an anti-business tangent in their general coverage oft his matter, yet none have been able to answer if ending public funding for vaccines will actually provide a benefit. Their style and adherance to formal argumentation is squirlley enough I have to ask if this is not a politically motivated campaign to divert funding to military efforts instead.

Please read the rest of my comments on this post in the frame of strict critical thinking and argumentation rules.

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janellelanae (50) · 7 years ago

Ok I'll take a look when I have a minute. I know that when we are emotional it is hard to be logical. The fact that some states are beginning to take away the freedom to choose or decline a vaccine has definitely caused quite an emotional response especially regarding children.

I certainly don't want government officials harassing me for my personal choices especially when we are not given the full scope of risks involved with vaccines. Corporations are designed for the sole purpose of earning profits and marketing strategies can create a very one sided perspective on the matter.

For example a representative for "medical research" whose pay check comes from a pharmaceutical company will be paid to produce research that emphasizes the benefits over the risks. The risks are often briefly mentioned and dismissed assuring one it is perfectly safe (despite the looooong list of adverse reactions). If you have never heard of "shedding" it would go to show how much information they keep out of the mainstream.

Shedding is when a vaccine strain of a virus spreads to others from an individual who was recently vaccinated... rather than protecting and preventing the illness it can sometimes spread it and there are a number of peer reviewed studies that support this. If you are interested in this aspect of vaccines here is a link for many of those studies. Anyway I will look at your other comments and thank you for being up for a more respectful conversation about this... http://medscienceresearch.com/shedding/

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snowmachine (64) · 7 years ago

Thanks for posting this comment, I'm really disgusted by anti-science posts like this that manipulate statistics to push their anti-vaccine agenda.

greenie (47) · 7 years ago

Also: Correlation does not imply causation.

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

Explain how infectious diseases decline when vaccines are introduced when correlation does not imply causation ?

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fauzanhaikal (51) · 7 years ago

posts that attract friends,

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janellelanae (50) · 7 years ago

Haha and trolls! ;)

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

vaccines cause trolls ;)

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fauzanhaikal (51) · 7 years ago

why laugh, some funny yes.

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sophiaessoh (42) · 7 years ago

This is totally new to me
Never knew this.
I thought vaccines were supposed to prevent some diseases.

Thank you for sharing

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finnian (58) · 7 years ago

The main thing they do is weaken your natural immune system. That's by design too.

truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

Inject diseases get diseases .
To take the result of a disease and claim it will prevent disease was and is absurd.

Everyday millions of children are lined up and injected with toxic putrid substances grown on animal organs, cancer cells, aborted fetuses and other toxic substances. Few people are questioning how those viruses were obtained and how they were grown in a laboratory. If one would ask these sensible questions, one would become very enlightened about vaccine production.

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endopediatria (54) · 7 years ago

This post is an example of how anti-vaccine groups manipulate scientific information to justify their claims stating that the deleterious effects of vaccines could overcome the consequences of an unvaccinated population. It is serious to mention as a source the world health organization, when this organization maintains campaigns to distribute vaccines at low cost to low income countries.
The comparison must be made with the morbidity and mortality of diseases preventable by vaccines when these did not exist.
A current example can be felt in Venezuela where, due to inadequate health policy, the coverage of the vaccinated population decreased, which has resulted in a large number of deaths due to diphtheria, a disease that was eradicated and that I had not had the opportunity to meet in my country through 22 years of professional practice.
The worldwide recommendation of both the World Health Organization and all pediatric societies is to vaccinate

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reddust (71) · 7 years ago

The large number of deaths from infectious diseases in Venezuela can be directly attributed to lack of proper nutrition, hygiene, and horrible living conditions. Vaccinating people who are suffering ill health because they cannot afford proper housing and healthy food won't fix the problem that caused the disease. The body can't fight off disease when it's starving to death and living in filthy crowded conditions like city slums.

A current example can be felt in Venezuela where, due to inadequate health policy, the coverage of the vaccinated population decreased, which has resulted in a large number of deaths due to diphtheria, a disease that was eradicated and that I had not had the opportunity to meet in my country through 22 years of professional practice.

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aga.mountain (37) · 7 years ago

that's why they should be vaccinated

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reddust (71) · 7 years ago

I’m glad your are writing about this, your ariticle compliments my history of vaccine series!

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steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago

Thank you @reddust - your comments are encouraging!

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josediccus (75) · 7 years ago

Is it that these vaccines are not properly prepared or is it that something is wrong? Vaccines was suppose to keep kids safe but these charts here states otherwise. My goodness

it's good you educated the public on this, thank you do much

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steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago

@josediccus - there are many reasons why but in a nutshell it boils down to profits and power. Big Pharma and other industries own politicians, they also own the media, education system, colleges etc. The UN and governments around the world are proxies for Big Pharma, Bankers etc. Gov't approves vaccines and other drugs with small sample sizes, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest.

It is also an effective way to depopulate and keep people medicated from the cradle to the grave. I encourage you to look further into the dangers of vaccines. You will find a number of other posts on my (and others).

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josediccus (75) · 7 years ago

Wow this is new to me I've never in my life thought vaccines could be so used to main and decapacitate children, I will check your other posts and thanks for informing me really.

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ponts (50) · 7 years ago

Vaccines were never supposed to keep kids safe, that was just a lie to get people to willingly use the harmful products on their children. This is all part of a bigger agenda to control the population and keep those people unhealthy.

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josediccus (75) · 7 years ago

That's that main agenda of vaccines, keep kids safe

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tspink (49) · 7 years ago

Hahah for a new world order.

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tspink (49) · 7 years ago

Simply associations. Not causations. Big difference's.

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monetaryrealist (45) · 7 years ago

A great post with excellent information. We are familiar with www.vaccinetruth.org with Wendy callahan as well as Dr. Tenpenny. Both great researchers. we gave you an up vote, a RESTEEM and a follow..

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steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago

Thank you for supporting me and vaccine truth and awareness @monetaryrealist

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princesslilo (55) · 7 years ago

I was not born in a hospital, only at home by a midwife. I have never been vaccinated. I have never been admitted to a hospital. I don't take medicines when I get sick but I get well anyway. Is it just luck or am I a living miracle? Nah! I am but normal and not drug dependent.

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steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago

It's amazing what the body can achieve naturally when you don't inject chemicals into your body!

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princesslilo (55) · 7 years ago

That's true!

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lovestowander (33) · 7 years ago

Well, I do agree with this. Here in the Phils. some kids died coz of the dengue vaccines they got.
It's been a big issue here now.

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steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago

Many children died or became sick in India after Bill Gates vaccines. They didn't even tell the children or their parents what they were being injected with or what the side-effects were. The media, big pharma, Gates and the government more or less try to ignore these uncomfortable conversations.

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enjoywithtroy (68) · 7 years ago

Of course vaccines kill children. It is not about healthcare for children., it's about population control. Children are the future of our world. There is a war on against our children and our future. This is being accomplished through vaccines, through foster care and adoption CPS Child Protective Services, through the food and so much more. Yes they are killing our children through vaccines. But they are doing it on a lot of different fronts. Our children are our future and there's a war on our future. The shadow government knows exactly what they're doing. Thanks for sharing and making us known collapse to people.

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steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago (edited)

All excellent points @enjoywithtroy - you know what's going on. If vaccines didn't cause deaths and injuries we would not need vaccine compensation programs that have awarded billions of dollars to claimants.

Thank you for your support and contribution!

I'm following you now!

Feel free to join our discord channel Truth - Politics - Conspiracies under PAL (Peace, Abundance, Liberty). You will find friendly and awake truthers and we try to support each others content.

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bellsx1 (45) · 7 years ago

A Truther - That is a political activist who is supported by politicians like Donald Trump, who's aim is to reduce government spending on healthcare by eliminating vaccines? Is it really about saving our children or saving money for the military to kill somone elses children? You are terribly missled to be going down this road.

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libertyacademy (58) · 7 years ago

Thank you for this very informative article. I had a student research this topic and know that it is extremely difficult to get recent statistics - something that is probably by design. I watched VAXXED and am now set to watch a new 7-part series entitled The Truth About Vaccines (sign-up to watch the videos is free).

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steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago

Thanks for the link. I have registered for the series. I have seen Ty's other videos about cancer. I'm looking forward to this one about vaccines.

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perceptualflaws (66) · 7 years ago (edited)

Great work my friend, you really are firing on all cylinders since your return and it's so important that this information is given as wider audience as possible. Whether people believe the findings or not, this is still the debate of our age and it's one that needs to be held in a balanced and adult fashion. I for one think the people deserve a televised debate with two opposing experts. Like you say the "truth should fear no investigation" but they run from any aspect of debate on this most important subject.

Indeed it's often forgotten that Professor John Walker Smith, the man who co-authored Wakefields MMR lancet study and carried out some of the tests that showed a link between MMR and autism was exonerated on all charges. He won his court battle and had his name cleared by a high court judge and his professional misconduct findings quashed. Like I say both sides of the story need to be told! Thanks again @steemtruth

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steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago

Great comment @perceptualflaws. A truly independent televised debate would be awesome but we both know that the debaters would be hand-picked so as to make the side that is questioning vaccines look incompetent. That may actually do more harm than good but who knows? At least it would become a talking point for many people and get some things out in the open.

They did a hatchet job on Wakefield. I didn't know about Smith, that's great news.

I should be posting another blog later today.

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janellelanae (50) · 7 years ago

Thank you so much for sharing this very important information! So many don't know and this is the perfect place to share the truth. Thank you for your work... these posts you make are extensive!

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steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago

Thank you for taking the time to read it and commenting. I really appreciate your support and input @janellelanae

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janellelanae (50) · 7 years ago

Absolutely. I see some comments above are rather nasty and its really a shame. But then again sticking your neck out and shedding some light in dark corners, sometimes you are bound to find trolls. Keep doing what you do and try to take pity on small minds who are so caught up in the status quo. By helping to share the truth with those who are open, you are making a difference and that's the key! @steemtruth

steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago

Very well said @janellelanae - I will not be silenced and a few trolls do not concern me. They most likely mean well but are sadly deceived and blinded by science and big pharma and government propaganda.

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sift666 (65) · 7 years ago

The way you handle moronic comments is truly inspirational - I've never seen this many vaxxer comments before - a whole new low...

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preciousesther (39) · 7 years ago

awesome post. Thank you for this

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finnian (58) · 7 years ago

I was harmed by Anthrax shots. Half the normal hearing range was destroyed. Now I have all sorts of new food allergies too.

Vaccines? No thanks.

The shots ruined my immune system. I'm certainly not going to risk my children suffering a similar or worse fate either.

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steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago (edited)

I'm sorry to hear that. Unfortunately testimonies like yours are far too common. If you haven't written about your experience I would encourage you to. Please let me know if you do and I'll support you.

Thank you for sharing your experience @finnian. Following you.

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finnian (58) · 7 years ago

It's a good idea for a post, and I've added it to my forever lengthening list of topics. :)

strugglingdiy (50) · 7 years ago

I wish more people would realize this, it is very sad! Thank you for sharing!

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sauna (46) · 7 years ago

Good article steemtruth. And look at some of the vaccine religion folk howl! It doesn't matter how many charts, figures or facts you throw at them, it makes no difference. You can't reason with religion. The truth could be a 2 by 4 banging them on the head, it wouldn't help.

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steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago

They are blinded by science for the most part and heavily indoctrinated. They don't know what they don't know but hopefully we can change that in time!

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guernicamikan (34) · 7 years ago

Mike Adams (aka the Health Ranger) who runs a website called 'Natural News' talks a lot about the impact of vaccines, gmo, etc... suggest you check him out. It hurts to see big pharma stealing cash from families and I appreciate your post. Thank you

iamgun (46) · 7 years ago

i enjoy your post ^^! Thanks.

wakeupworldnews (58) · 7 years ago

Recently some good friends of ours found out we do not vaccinate or kids and they just turned on us! They refuse to listen or look at any evidence...very sad, great post...thanks

janellelanae (50) · 7 years ago

So sorry to hear, it really just enforces how well the corporate marketing strategies have been at influencing the masses :-( .

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/glaxosmithkline-plead-guilty-and-pay-3-billion-resolve-fraud-allegations-and-failure-report

truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago (edited)

A local well known hospital advertises that you will encounter real doctors with real advice who give real medicine. Is that the same real medicine that was given to women for hormone replacement, causing heart attacks, strokes, seizures, breast cancer, harming their livers and kidneys and killing thousands of women?

Real medicine where?
Prozac
Accutane
Vioxx
Chemotherapy
Vaccines
Bextra
Avandia
The Washington Post did publish a lengthy summary about a rather huge medical scandal (83 000 deaths or heart attacks), regarding these diabetics treated with Avandia, which tells how a dangerous drug can be voluntarily released worldwide.

Real advice?
Real medicine ?

FDA Approved deaths by medicine
100,000 a year plus

taliakerch (69) · 7 years ago

I am happy to find more and more people who are not blind like all the rest!!
I support anti-vaccination in Russia and I am not tired to know more and more proofs that vaccines are just a slow bomb!

steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago

I'm so pleased to see a Russian woman that knows about the dangers of vaccines. I hope that many of your countrymen think the same as you or are at least beginning to question what the doctors and government is telling them. Spasiba @taliakerch

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taliakerch (69) · 7 years ago

oh, no, unfortunately there are not so many anti-vaccinators in Russia, most people are blind and belive in medicine, doctors and pills, and they even don't want to listen anything against... they are just sleeping, they are not ready to know the truth, or they are just on another level of development..
anyway, I am happy I was awoken some years ago, and opened my eyes in what world I live. Here on Steemit I can speak about it free, but in Russia - no, because most people are not tolerant and agressive to these activities. For example on Golos (Russian clon of Steemit) I didnt speak about it because one I tried, it caused shock and strong agression. Why should I fight with blind? They just can't awaken.
I am happy here I have found support!

sanitizemylife (45) · 7 years ago

I am going to print this out and bring it to my pharmacist, who concluded that I am a "nutcase", after my refusal of a free flu shot. I recommend we all do the same. Fortunately, I am in NH and they allow a religious exemption to vaccines. Prior to that, I was in NY, where a board weight my 'religious' exemption, and concluded that my religious exemption did not meet their standards. So now, we have states looking into and concluding whether our religious beliefs are valid. It's all a scam, in my opinion.

truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

There is almost 60 countries that have a better IMR than us and we give the most vaccines the first year of life!

26 doses of adjuvants! Inflammation! Activation! Destruction during the immunological programming of the brain.

fullmi (49) · 7 years ago

good!.

ebtadi (36) · 7 years ago

thanks u for information

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top5everywhere (48) · 7 years ago

this the great information, i am also a researcher tea member. we all ready noticed this mobility and mortality rate. what is already a weak virus of any infection or disease but some times vaccines injected wrong time in the children's body that's the reason of children's infected with this vaccine virus and this is the cause of Death.

godisgracefully (40) · 7 years ago

here in Australia, of you dont vaccinate, your kids cant go to school and you get all your government childcare allowances stopped. Its fucked

steemtruth (66) · 7 years ago

It is sure. Governments act as if they own your children, they don't. It is parents job to chose. It's one more reason not to send kids to school and homeschool them instead.

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bellsx1 (45) · 7 years ago (edited)

The analysis are statistically weak. The report graphs made up by the meta analysis cover only one year after flu vaccines were mandated. Under 5 deaths compare only developed countries against developed countries. And provide a total number of deaths not rate of deaths. A mini baby boom could invalidate those findings.

That is when I stopped. You need a longitudinal study of at least 30 years to make a case, and if there is already 30 years of information prior with mortality rates and vaccine rates being studied, that prior study wins the validity tests. Given the provided information the argument is, "See the numbers one year after mandatory flu shots!"... which is alarming but not a clear cut case of vaccines being a culprit.

If you study mortality rates from native countries versus immigrant morality you would gain even more insight into the overall effectiveness of vaccines provided you can control for environment.

Best case scenario that supports your reported evidence is that one year after mandatory flu vaccines there was a correlation between vaccine rates and Under 5 Mortality rate but the standard deviation from 30 years prior is not provided so this result might even be with the normal range.

http://www.mednat.org/vaccini/bibliografia_danni_vaccini.pdf

reddust (71) · 7 years ago

I'm going through this data base. There are over 1,000 matches for influenza vaccination

Felix JK, Schwartz RH, Myers GJ. Isolated hypoglossal nerve paralysis following influenza vaccination. Am J Dis Child 1976 Jan;130(1):823.....

BIBLIOGRAPHY ON DAMAGE FROM VACCINES
Some references for any further information
(From 1926 to December 2009)

bellsx1 (45) · 7 years ago

Well show that there is a molecular reaction or biological pathway between vaccine agents and the hypglossal nerve (I assume the case in point was not a vaccine delivered directly to the hypoglossal nerve which is in the cranium) and it something to look into. You then have a causation argument that has one isolated event as evidence. Still very weak.

When people say trust in science, they are saying trust in the methodology of science, which you have every right to be critical of and by reporting these findings are participating in the very methodology people are asking parents around the world to trust. If the evidence of benefit for an action outweighs the evidence of consequences, then science sides for the action. When the evidence for consequences outweighs the benefits, science sides with non-action. Through the methodology human civilization tunes its understanding of the actions they perpetuate.

Another aspect to look at is, there are more qualified medical professionals to study the effects of vaccines today than there was in 1926... And better record keeping. There may be highly specific circumstances that lead to and adverse result, but by in large using standardized protocols and vaccines, studies support the use and administration of vaccines. The Doctor who led the "Vaccines Cause Autism" studies and alarm was found to be falsifying data to support his hypothesis which lost him his profession. Just because it was published in a journal or by a doctor does not establish a solid conclusion.

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reddust (71) · 7 years ago

That’s just one case out of thousands of papers in this data base that record disease relate to vaccines.

Regarding old case studies, age does not invalidate the findings or study. Regarding falsifying data, I don’t know which doctor you are speaking of ...

Other than the FDA staff, nobody is independently checking the integrity of vaccine safety data provided to the FDA by drug companies when they seek licensure of a new vaccine. The public is asked to "trust" that the drug companies are telling the truth about vaccine safety. Sure they are.

bellsx1 (45) · 7 years ago (edited)

That’s just one case out of thousands of papers in this data base that record disease relate to vaccines.

Yes. One Isolated case of Hypoglossal nerve damage. If there were hundreds of cases in your database describing hypoglossal nerve damage, you would have something to work with. Here is a Hypoglossal nerve damage case with only the common cold as the originating factor.

Regarding old case studies, age does not invalidate the findings or study.

I said there were more qualified medical professionals now and better record keeping than in 1926. This means if there are more observers now, there are more articles in journals now. There are even more medical journals now.

Regarding falsifying data, I don’t know which doctor you are speaking of

You must be very new to this topic. Please read about Andrew Wakefield

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No argument there. Someone will have to pay for every batch of medically manufactured vaccine to pass the government standards test. Medical treatment costs in the US are among the highest in the world. You can either fight for better testing or more cost effective healthcare. Up to you, but tough to get both in this case. Show that ending mandatory vaccines will provide both over the course of your average citizens life without creating a public health hazard.

updated: added journal article on "isolated reversible hypoglossal nerve palsy" case from common cold.

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bellsx1 (45) · 7 years ago (edited)

It is concerning that you are not as critical over the information you gleaned from the "Vaxxed" movie as you are of medical literature. @reddust or should I say @redhanded??

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reddust (71) · 7 years ago (edited)

It’s concerning you don’t care about the millions of vaccine injuries. Bring up the movie rather than content, deflection tactic.

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bellsx1 (45) · 7 years ago

It’s concerning you don’t care about the millions of vaccine injuries.

you are trying to reason emmotionally, not based on reasoning. I clearly invited you to be critical of published science and literature and demonstrated that the evidence you are using:

is anecdotal
has too short a time horizon
increases in volume due to increased observers and records

You then showed little knowledge of the events surrounding the anti-vax movements leading researcher, additionally you are unable to defend using the Hypoglosal Nerve paralysis report paper (it is not a study) as evidence for anti vaccination.

Your time is better spend ending private automobiles and guns on the street. Perhaps, you want to divert funding from public health to the military instead to fight proxy wars for business interests. That too should be a concern of yours.

It is concerning how little you actually care to put in the right efforts in making vaccinations cost effective and safe, if millions of children's lives are actually at stake.

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reddust (71) · 7 years ago (edited)

I am critical of all sides and when you assume I am reasoning using the emotional fallacy and accusing me of an emotional mind state, I know you are manipulating the argument. Thank you for showing your true colors.

My concern is with the millions of people who have been and are injured or have died by allopathic medicine war on disease. You will not be able to sidetrack this dialogue through condescending remarks. The net has opened up all the information regarding the lies the vaccine industry has sold the general population since 1850s.

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kor3 (26) · 7 years ago

The poison is in the supposed cure! If people would actually focus and stop believing they would see the outbreak happens after the "cure" is released. We don't want to be cured like meat and dried out. We want to be hydrated and healthy.
This just happened in the media with the dog flu vaccine. After it started being a diminished a year ago there is now a "serious" outbreak. They throw it directly into our faces.

steem-monkey (33) · 7 years ago

This is totally a false claim! Vaccine do not kills children or anybody...its saves people life! To claim why vaccine kills, one should all understand how it works in the first place...WATCH this video on vaccines by our very own John Oliver on "The benefits of vaccines far outweigh the minuscule risks, but some parents still question their safety". He debunks this nasty myth about vaccine

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noo1 (25) · 7 years ago

This is just wrong. The thing with children without vaccines not dying is that everyone arround them got vaccines so they are protected because there is noone with the virus. If nobody would use vaccines it would be much worse.

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molecular-wizard (49) · 7 years ago

SHOCKING REVELATION THAT YOU WON'T BELIEVE — BIG ORGANIC COVERUP: ORGANIC FOOD CAUSES AUTISM BECAUSE THIS GRAPH SHOWS THEY ARE CORRELATED WITH p<0.0001!

Autism and organic food.jpg

Your analysis is bad and you should feel bad. Correlation hardly implies causation; especially for the circumstances given. Thanks for coming out.

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joshglen (60) · 7 years ago

Oh no! Do cell phones cause autism too? Because that's suuuuurely what it looks like.

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molecular-wizard (49) · 7 years ago

See my recent post for more humor...

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truthtrain (56) · 7 years ago

wow I made it 46 years without vaccines that's crazy ALL those benign microbes.

erikraja (15) · 6 years ago

do you want some benign Hepatitis D virus?

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vjn303 (25) · 7 years ago

this is all the business of big pharma's and some countries. I am a volunteer of 'Art of living' and Its my experience that regular practice of sudarshan kriya(a breathing technique) increases immunity. No pills since november 2015, help me spread the message. https://www.artofliving.org/in-en/what-sudarshan-kriya

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galleryma (44) · 7 years ago

happy today for you!

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thenomadictales (56) · 7 years ago

This raises the question whether we humans are using the extra knowledge in favor or are depriving ourselves from what the nature has offered

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steemsheep (61) · 6 years ago

I think you are right. Please also check out https://steemit.com/health/@steemsheep/the-real-reasons-for-sids-sudden-infant-death-syndrome-and-how-to-prevent-it

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endopediatria (54) · 7 years ago

we have always had very poor and undernourished people but they were protected by vaccines, and they did not suffer from immuno-preventable diseases. There are epidemiological strategies that demonstrate the real impact of vaccination in poor populations.

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silovar88 (50) · 7 years ago

I'm waiting for your support.Thank you

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dragulaura06 (36) · 7 years ago

This sensitive subject spreads world wide. As far as I know, this problem exploded after The Lancer's publication (British health magazine) in 1998.
13 medics created a false study "Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis and pervasive developmental disorder in children" including only 12 children (it's mandatory for such studies to involve at least 1000-2000 volunteers), besides, some of them were related to each other (brother-sister). The study claims that there's a connection between autism, inflammatory bowel disease and MMR vaccines. Also those doctors withdrew their statement some of them losing their practice rights, but this part was just too hard for media to fix.
Shortly, vaccination is the administration of antigens (small fractions of microbes) that only stimulates your body to produce antibodies (against those specific antigens) that remain into your body to fight a (very) possible infection that otherwise would cause disease.
Of course, just like everything on this planet, it may have adverse reactions, there may be some isolated cases of death, but focusing on the advantages, life expectancy have raised significantly in the last century due, between other progress associated factors, to vaccines.
I will come up with an article with more details.
Take care! :)

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